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Combrinck out, Jantjies doubtful


Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :Argentina, Original Content, Springboks on 29 Aug 2016 at 09:31
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Springbok coach Allister Coetzee will have a lot to ponder after Saturday’s loss against Argentina, and these latest injuries will not help.

Ruan Combrinck left the field in the first half already having fractured his fibula, meaning he will take no further part in the Rugby Championship. It is a sad end to Combrinck’s rugby year after a scintillating Super Rugby season and proving one of few positives in the 5 Springbok tests to date.

Elton Jantjies, who was also substituted in the game, is believed to have suffered a groin injury. Many would have thought his poor performance led to his substitution in the second half, but it turns out he as having a tough time with a tight groin. Morne Steyn was given some time on the field of play, not that he had the desired effect on the game.

It is sad for these two Lions, but the focus will immediately shift to who will replace them. Combrinck is ruled out, so a new wing will start the next match, against Australia in Australia. Will we see a call up for Lwazi Mvovo after being left out of the match squads after initially making the squad? He is after all the only other wing in the original Rugby Championship squad.

The extent of Jantjies’ injury is to be confirmed, and his replacement will certainly be Morne Steyn, should he not be able to play. The simple truth here is that Coetzee literally has no other flyhalf to choose from, unless he rethinks his current strategy and Johan Goosen returns to the number 10 jersey.

The next few weeks will be very interesting indeed as the pressure is likely to mount on Coetzee to get a team out there playing some decent rugby.



149 Comments

  • please drop Elton either wag . The boks wont win because the forwards are the issue . But at least people will stop moaning about Elton and i can go back to laughing at the Boks

  • Comment 1, posted at 29.08.16 09:38:32 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 1) :

    Valid point, but I don’t think the forwards have anything to do with his kicking out of hand or at poles…

  • Comment 2, posted at 29.08.16 09:40:04 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Decent rugby? You mean like the Stormers?

  • Comment 3, posted at 29.08.16 09:42:46 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • Think they should miss their flight… Head back home and play CC. At least then we have some decent rugby to watch. Currently its a waste of time and money to watch either the Boks or to watch CC.

  • Comment 4, posted at 29.08.16 09:42:48 by ebenp Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 1) : If Elton only shines when his forwards are dominating he doesn’t really deserve to be there anyway IMO.

  • Comment 5, posted at 29.08.16 09:43:52 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • While I’m far from thrilled with our recent displays, I do feel for this squad and the coaches. SA rugby has been gradually falling behind over a long period of time now and the chickens are starting to come home to roost. A few selection changes won’t fix what looks to be more fundamentally broken.

  • Comment 6, posted at 29.08.16 09:44:13 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Die Kriek (Comment 3) :

    Decent Rugby = Rugby of a quality that we are able to beat Argentina home and away and be able to beat an Australian team currently looking out of sorts. Don’t think we will win another game this Championship if things continue as they are…

  • Comment 7, posted at 29.08.16 09:45:12 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Die Kriek (Comment 5) : you have my blessing to drop him

  • Comment 8, posted at 29.08.16 09:46:27 by Zibbie Reply
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  • If Coetzee has half a brain he will bring back ,Bismarck,JPP and Willie ,cull that arsehole deAllende,Habbanna , deJonge,Louw and Kriel,with Mahojo and Whitely who must also captain.

  • Comment 9, posted at 29.08.16 09:47:18 by The hound Reply
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  • Questions we need to answer:

    Is Adriaan Strauss the best hooker in the country?
    If not, is he the best captain in the country?

    Beast, is he past his prime?

    Is the current loose trio working? The balance seems off to me..

    Where can we dig up a flyhalf that can control the game?

    Mapoe and De Allende is not working as a centre partnership? Why not? Who should be there instead?

    Can we keep Habana in the team purely to break records and score the odd try every second or third game?

    Is Johan Goosen a fullback?

  • Comment 10, posted at 29.08.16 09:51:28 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 6) : Problem with sticking with 10 man 80′s style bulls rugby for 30 years. Sad part is that even Sharks started to play that brand. I’m no WP fan either but even the Carel du plessis team and the way they use to play changed into this defensive way. Over last 20 years our rugby went in survival mode. We won 2007 WC because we played England. All Blacks are able to play defensive and attack all in 2min. They dont have a game plan. They play the game. Kids in our country spend hours practicing kicking at under 9 level rugby. Shocking

  • Comment 11, posted at 29.08.16 09:51:44 by ebenp Reply

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  • Jesse Kriel did a pretty decent job on the wing when he replaced Combrinck so id probably leave him, Goosen and Habana as the back 3 but not sure who to play at 10 as the cupboard is bare. The replacement front row looked a lot better (and well done to Adriaanse). The PSDT and Etzebeth lock combo needs to play. As do Kriel/Mahoje/Whiteley loose trio. 10/12/13 is the big conundrum as that is just not working currently.

  • Comment 12, posted at 29.08.16 09:57:01 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 10) :

    Strauss is not the best hooker neither has he shown enough leadership skills to keep him there.

    The Beast didn’t have such a bad game but I reckon he is past his prime. The 2nd front row looked a lot better.

    Louw needs to go, he’s been mostly absent. Kriel, Oupa and Warren should continue.

    Easy, Rohan should partner mapoe.

    I don’t think the problem is the backline has anything to do with Habana.

    Johan Goosen’s experiment on fullback did not work.

  • Comment 13, posted at 29.08.16 09:57:11 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 13) :

    So, who do we replace Strauss with? Marx? and I am assuming Whiteley to captain?

    I would also look at rotating the starting front row with the bench.

    Agreed, Louw has been poor and look tired.

    Rohan, if fit, would make a difference in terms of breaking the line and actually running at the opposition.

    Would you keep Habana?

    Goosen hasn’t been that bad in my mind, more stable than Willie in my opinion, and an extra kicker on the park with real distance.

  • Comment 14, posted at 29.08.16 10:00:43 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 14) :

    Marx is the obvious choice, if fit. Else bring back Bismarck.

    I would keep Habana because I can’t actually think of another decent wing to replace him. We also need a little bit of experience in the back line.

    Goosen has been bad under the high ball IMO and the Aussies and AB’s will exploit that.

    I don’t think the problem is that much about the players but more about a confusing game plan.
    I tend to agree with keo in his new article this morning. The Boks seems stuck between 2 different game plans.

  • Comment 15, posted at 29.08.16 10:06:31 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Some comments that I found very interesting from Morne’s twitter feed:
    - SA rugby caught between “what always worked for us” & how to move forward. Biggest problem is we’re looking in wrong places for answers.
    - We need to realise rugby moved forward from “rugby guys” making the strategic decisions.
    - On the field science should drive the human application of the strategic decisions we make towards training and playing
    - Best business practices should drive off field decision making processes and strategic visions in line with policy
    - Which professional rugby team/union in this country has a sport scientist driving their on – field visions and strategies?
    - We continue to talk about being leaders in shaping the state of the game but ignore the elements that drive innovation
    - We continue to talk about the 1% ters that will give us the edge but spend no time or money in proper R&D.
    - The rest of the world and pro sports have already realised performance gains management is the next revolution, we need to get there quickly

    (Please feel free to remove if I’m not allowed to repost from someone’s Twitter account. Assuming it’s okay since it’s already in the public domain)

  • Comment 16, posted at 29.08.16 10:07:50 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 15) : if feel the issue with trying to emulate the Lions game plan is that the Lions game plan is based on a strong forward pack . if you miss that the game plan wont work . and we are definitely missing that . So maybe rather drop Elton , Play Morne Steyn and play the way we use to . At least we use to win

  • Comment 17, posted at 29.08.16 10:09:15 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 17) : I don’t think the forwards need to change much, except to start PSDT and getting rid of Louw. I think that is the easier part to fix.

  • Comment 18, posted at 29.08.16 10:17:24 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Coetzee’s biggest mistake was picking a bunch of individuals for his first team instead of settles combo’s. I would have gone for Lions 1-2-3, Etzebeth and PSDT at lock. Whiteley and Kriel at 6 and 8, that leaves 7 open for Oupa or Kolisi or even Notsje. Faf has been immense but EJ dissapointing, but they would also have been my combo. Back three would have been JP, Habana and Willie, only because of them having played a lot together. Then Rohan and Mapoe at centres. After one or two competitions, then you start drafting in other players and dropping the ones that didn’t make the grade. That is how you start a new team, not by throwing in a bunch of individuals and hoping they miraculously turn into a team. So to fix this mess that we are in now, boot Strauss as far a way from the Boks as possible, bring back Bissie to start with. That will also allow for Louw to be booted and Kriel to start as Bissie can do the fetching. Start him with Beast and Adriaanse in the front row. Flyhalf is a problem until Pat is back, but maybe Goosen can do the trick. For inside centre bring Frans back. And Willie at fullback.

  • Comment 19, posted at 29.08.16 10:17:58 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 19) : Why not bring Frans Steyn back as flyhallf.

  • Comment 20, posted at 29.08.16 10:30:37 by The hound Reply
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  • I have this unfounded theory that bad coaching and uneven workload by non performing players increase the load and therefore exposure and therefore likelyhood of injury to the harder working players.

  • Comment 21, posted at 29.08.16 10:34:10 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 20) : I did think about that, and it is not too bad idea, but in my own opinion I just think he is way better suited for inside centre than flyhalf.

  • Comment 22, posted at 29.08.16 10:34:24 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 22) : Thats when you have the luxury of a better flyhallf,which we don’t.
    Pie in the sky anyway because if Meyer couldn’t handle him ,Coetzee and Stick sure as shit can’t

  • Comment 23, posted at 29.08.16 10:37:45 by The hound Reply
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  • All though I do not agree with picking overseas-based players, if we going to, then dammit pick the best available team then!

  • Comment 24, posted at 29.08.16 10:39:03 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 23) : There I agree 100% with you.

  • Comment 25, posted at 29.08.16 10:42:40 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • Sad to lose Combrinck but not too sad for Jantjies who seems to need near perfect or very familiar conditions to perform. Saw the same argument for Pollard and Hougaard that being the bad forwards. My question is was the forwards really so bad and outclassed by the argies? And secondly should a world class flyhalf not be able to overcome this to some extent?

  • Comment 26, posted at 29.08.16 10:43:23 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 24) : I also am not a fan of picking oveseas players, but the Boks are in serious trouble and we are going to need the best of the best to get us out of this mess.

  • Comment 27, posted at 29.08.16 10:43:57 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • AC and SARU need to make the tough decisions or face the same result.
    1. Kitshoff 2. DuPlessis 3. Adriaanse 4. Etzebeth 5. DuToit 6. Kriel 7. Mahoje 8. Whiteley 9. DeKlerk 10. Goosen 11. Habana 12. Steyn 13. Mapoe 14. De Allende 15. Kriel
    Bench: Beast, Marx, Koch, Mostert, Notshe, Paige, Steyn, DeJongh
    That side largely keeps AC’s squad together but changes a few combos and brings in a few players to bolster things.

  • Comment 28, posted at 29.08.16 10:45:29 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 20) : @KingRiaan (Comment 22) : I always preferred him at fullback. When Steyn played 15 and Brussow at 6 was when the AB’s feared us the most.

  • Comment 29, posted at 29.08.16 10:45:44 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 28) : Why the presistance with De Allende?

  • Comment 30, posted at 29.08.16 10:49:30 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 29) : I just feel that he doesn’t have the out and out pace that I like a fullback to have. Same reason why I have never been a fan of Lambie at 15.

  • Comment 31, posted at 29.08.16 10:50:09 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 28) : Die Ellendig at 14!? But why??? He should be in jersey 44, not 14…

  • Comment 32, posted at 29.08.16 10:51:29 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 32) : Don’t talk about your family like that…..

  • Comment 33, posted at 29.08.16 10:54:45 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 30) : @Culling Song (Comment 32) : Couldnt think of another wing within the group. NZ (OZ to a lesser extent) have used these big battering ram wings which De Allende could be. He currrently doesnt have the skillset for a 12. But at wing all he needs to do is catch it and run straight and score.

  • Comment 34, posted at 29.08.16 10:55:16 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 33) : His utter mediocrity overrides any family ties…

  • Comment 35, posted at 29.08.16 10:55:59 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 32) : Agree. Janse v Rensburg should be at 12 . I think Goosen will move up to 10. Unfortunate to lose Ruan on the wing. I wonder how that will change. Surely even AC can’t keep Habana?

  • Comment 36, posted at 29.08.16 10:56:54 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 36) : with Van Rensburg injured who would your 12 pick be then? Also what do you make of the fact that Van Rensburg this year is doing exactly what De Allende did last year during super rugby…do you think he will also go same way?

  • Comment 37, posted at 29.08.16 11:03:48 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 28) : I assume Combrinck would feature when returning from injury ?

  • Comment 38, posted at 29.08.16 11:10:12 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 37) de Allende bigest weakness is his defence,so many tries scored in his channel,JPP unfortunately is best answer on the wing.:

  • Comment 39, posted at 29.08.16 11:11:55 by The hound Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 38) : Yeh indeed- been a fan of his play for a couple seasons now

  • Comment 40, posted at 29.08.16 11:16:36 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 39) : Defending on the wing is easier than at 12 though…just show the guy the touchline and tackle him…no real communication needed. My other wing thought was DeJongh. Not many standout backline players in SA currently (especially fit ones)

  • Comment 41, posted at 29.08.16 11:18:13 by SheldonK Reply

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  • 9 faf
    10 goosen
    11 habana
    12 Esterhuizen
    13 Mapoe
    14 JPP
    15 Lambie

  • Comment 42, posted at 29.08.16 11:38:20 by John Reply

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  • Howsit all. Been a while since I last posted here. The current shambles at the boks and your discussion here promted me to log in and respond again. For me the first thing AC should sort out is his captain. Fire Strauss and make WW captain. There is no team spirit at the boks, you can see it’s a bunch of WP, Lions and Bulls running around not knowing whether to kick or run the ball. WW has the ability to pull a bunch of guys together and make them play as a team.

    Players that should be dropped in my opinion: Beast, Strauss, Lood, Louw, and Duh Duh. All 5 of them are there on reputation only. Bring in Marx and give poor Bongi a few minutes too. Play EE and PSDT with Mostert on the bench. Kriel in for Louw of course. I’m not a fan of Oupa so I’d replace him too, I just don’t know with whom? If Jantjies is ok then keep him, otherwise replace with Goosen and put Kriel at the back. Put Rohan at 12 for his combination with Mapoe, will probably also make Elton feel more at ease. Then if you have a Lions 8, 9, 10, 12, 13, please allow them to play like they did for the Lions!

  • Comment 43, posted at 29.08.16 11:39:25 by Leeubok Reply

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  • @Leeubok (Comment 43) : maak die leeus almal bokke…. simplest solution :)

  • Comment 44, posted at 29.08.16 11:40:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 44) : Just dont play the Hurricanes ;)

  • Comment 45, posted at 29.08.16 11:43:18 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 44) : Haha you said it, not me! I may be biased but I want the best for the boks. So if it means 0 lions in the team, then so be it. But those players I mention, I honestly think they are currently the best in their positions. And if you start looking at combinations then it makes sense to include combinations that’s been the most successful the last 2 seasons

  • Comment 46, posted at 29.08.16 11:44:58 by Leeubok Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 9) : Bismarck…..was watching this game and dreading just the thought of takng on the Aussies (never mind the All Blacks) without him in the team. We need “haredebaarde” now more than ever……but nou ja, AC has gone an selected Strauss as his captain so he cant very well drop him, not for Bismack, nor for Marx or as Owen wants, Bongi..

  • Comment 47, posted at 29.08.16 11:46:49 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 47) : You hit the nail on the head. The Boks have no mongrel. No more Bakkies, Bismarck, Alberts, Juan Smith etc type players that intimidates players. That is why our forwards are struggeling. And no matter what backline you choose, without a pack that performs, they will always struggle.

  • Comment 48, posted at 29.08.16 12:17:27 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 48) : Indeed…also doesnt help that the backline combos arent complimentary either.

  • Comment 49, posted at 29.08.16 12:18:45 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Should pick pstd @ 7 with warren @ 8 and kriel @ 6

  • Comment 50, posted at 29.08.16 12:29:39 by John Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 37) : I don’t think everything Damian does is bad but the things he must do he is not. He is not putting guts into space and not distributing. On the question of who I would use as inside center if J C is injured. ..must be venter from the cheetahs maybe even serfontein if he is hungry enough.

  • Comment 51, posted at 29.08.16 12:48:02 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 51) : Think Serfontein is also injured as havnt seen him playing. I do agree on Francois Venter though- i rate him highly. As for De Allende…i think he has huge potential…but is probably being deployed in the wrong place. If a fit 12 can be found then i would really look to playing him on the wing where he can literally just catch and storm over the line to score…nothing else required

  • Comment 52, posted at 29.08.16 12:53:14 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 48) : @SheldonK (Comment 49) : that’s the same problem at the Sharks! No mongrel to put fire in the forwards!

  • Comment 53, posted at 29.08.16 13:02:46 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 52) : Pollard can possibly fit the inside center slot too.

  • Comment 54, posted at 29.08.16 13:02:52 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 54) : That’s if he had s fit. Haven’t been tracking his recovery but he must be there by now?

  • Comment 55, posted at 29.08.16 13:05:02 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 54) : Indeed…just currently i dont think he is quite a mobile player. Same as Lambie currently lacking in vision…

  • Comment 56, posted at 29.08.16 13:05:43 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 53) : I actually think that has changed with the emergence of the twins. You could see on saterday the difference JL made to our forwards. With JL and Dan in the team, we won’t easily be bullied in the forwards.

  • Comment 57, posted at 29.08.16 13:16:54 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 56) : There is also Frans Steyn.

  • Comment 58, posted at 29.08.16 13:20:14 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 58) : ; )

  • Comment 59, posted at 29.08.16 13:29:55 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 58) : Well that is my preference. But tink there is possibly a better chance of putting himself down as the reserve scrummy than Frans Steyn playing…

  • Comment 60, posted at 29.08.16 13:43:09 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 60) : Andre in a few years. Right now he is playing competently in his position but also lacks vision required for international play. It will come with time I hope.

  • Comment 61, posted at 29.08.16 13:46:52 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 60) : Hoskins gone Meyer gone. .. maybe enough water has passed under that bridge. I relish having his boot next to a competent flyhalf with some decent kicking fullback.

  • Comment 62, posted at 29.08.16 13:48:55 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 61) : It will come in time. We have to let talented players grow up before we expect miracles.

  • Comment 63, posted at 29.08.16 13:49:22 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 62) : Pollard at flyhalf lambie at fullback frans steyn at inside center or steyn fullback pollard inside center lambie on flyhalf. De Allende and JP on wings or a combo of de Allende Mvovo Willie le roux and JP.

  • Comment 64, posted at 29.08.16 13:58:21 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 64) : Either way we could have some serious tackling power, provided of course all those players defensive game were up to scratch.

  • Comment 65, posted at 29.08.16 14:01:52 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 64) : On the end of year tour id like to see 9. DeKlerk 10. Lambie 11. Mapoe 12. Van Rensburg 13. Venter 14. Combrinck 15. Kriel Bench 21. Hougaard 22. Goosen 23. De Allende

  • Comment 66, posted at 29.08.16 14:06:18 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I know most of you on this site and probably most rugby suporters would completly disagree with my view of how we should play but anyway,I think we should play the old bulls/Springbok way we did when Meyer first took over as coach in 2012.I know we didnt beat the AB BUT we were comfortabaly 2 best in world rugby especialy from 2012-2014 .Where it went wrong against japan and arg ( under meyer ) was with selection becuase we were missing alberts in both those embarising losses and had burger who in my view lost his size so we didnt have a ball carier in those games .I wouldve liked Jake white being our coach ,although most people would disagree with my view i think it wouldve worked as his gameplan revolves around big physical forwards dominating the A line . I also believe we should only play forwards of 9 like we did 4 years ago . We just have to pick bigger and more physical forwards if we want to play that way otherwise we will also lose everygame .So in summary if we want to go back to the old way of playing bok rugby we need bigger and more physical forwards than we have now

  • Comment 67, posted at 29.08.16 14:31:46 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 67) : Personally i believe that there is more than 1 successful way to play the game and achieve good results. However, in order to get those results you have to match player strengths with the proposed game plan and then make sure each player both fully understands their role and then goes out and executes it. For me the current situation with the Boks is us trying to play a hybrid game plan…with players that dont compliment each other and dont fully understand their roles thus leading to poor execution. We always compare to the All Blacks and say we are so bad compared to them…well at this stage every nation in the world is very bad compared to them. So instead of comparing let us try be better than we were the previous game and so on…unfortunately that progression isnt going to happen without a clearly defined plan.

  • Comment 68, posted at 29.08.16 14:40:26 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 57) : yes the twins brings it a bit as does the Ginger Ninja but I’m talking about real mongrel fire that infects the rest of the forwards. Must say I do think given time Botha might do it.

  • Comment 69, posted at 29.08.16 15:00:24 by JD Reply
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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 67) : Who are these bigger and more physical forwards,please don’t say Schalk and Willem Alberts,maybe Bismarck, and lets leave Jannie in France.

  • Comment 70, posted at 29.08.16 15:00:58 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 68) : I think youre right ,the players dont understand there roles like they should and SA is in a identity crisis. When the boks were under meyer/white everyone knew there roles and the way they had to play e.g they knew Alberts or Bakkies or Juan smith were the ball cariers and that they were not going to pass .Same at the lions under Ackerman everyone at the lions knows there roles and like you said there players compliment each other and the gameplan same like when meyer and white was coaching. I do feel for Allister Coetzee though as he is not used to coaching the lions gameplan but is expected to play that way from the public . Alister coetzee was assistant coach for Jake White and he coaches very similar to white/meyer . Hes trying too change but i dont think it wil work .

  • Comment 71, posted at 29.08.16 15:01:16 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 69) : Lewies brings it too.

  • Comment 72, posted at 29.08.16 15:02:05 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 72) : The Sharks with Lewies, Botha, Oosthuizen, Astle and Andrews are pretty well set at lock. Both Astle and Andrews must be pushed to do better as both can.

  • Comment 73, posted at 29.08.16 15:14:20 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 70) : i never said schalk was physical he actualy lost his physicality after his opperation.But i disagree with you saying that Alberts is not physical as hes probably the most physical and the best ball carier that has ever playd for the boks come on bru you know all about those crunching tackels and clattering hits Alberts made . Answering your question though a all time physical pack for me would be: 1- Os du rant
    2-bismark
    3-Gurthro Steenkamp
    4- Eben
    5-Bakkies
    6-Juan Smith
    7-Willem Alberts
    8-Danie Rousouw
    More recently: 1-Kitshoff
    2-Marx
    3-Malherbe
    4-Eben
    5-Willemse
    6-JLDP
    7-Jauqes dup
    8 Duane

  • Comment 74, posted at 29.08.16 15:16:44 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 72) : don’t get me wrong I’m a huge fan of Lewies and he’s a great player but not nearly mongrel fire to start a fire in the forwards. Think more Bakkie or Bizzy.

  • Comment 75, posted at 29.08.16 15:43:27 by JD Reply
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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 74) : yes Alberts was great but when last did he play like the old “bone collector”? Personally the same goes for Duane on form yes great but when last was he on form whilst wearing Green and Gold?!

  • Comment 76, posted at 29.08.16 15:47:10 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 75) : Mark Andrews used to bring that,stood back for nobody,I think Lewies has it in him he really impresses me more overtime I see him play.
    Steven Sykes had it too.

  • Comment 77, posted at 29.08.16 15:47:49 by The hound Reply
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  • I don’t see how a nine-year old gameplan and/or different selections will get us back to even second position in the World Rankings but I’m open to being convinced…

  • Comment 78, posted at 29.08.16 16:35:48 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 78) : I agree and think that we should take a leaf out of Wales,Ireland,Scotland,Italy ,Japan, England,Samoa ,Canada and the U,S,A, ‘s books and hire ourselves an antipodean coach.

  • Comment 79, posted at 29.08.16 16:46:37 by The hound Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 78) : We’re so bad right now, saru might as well invest the time and money to upskill our entire archaic system.

    Looking at the success of the Blitzbokke, and the succession planning with coaching and players, it is within saru’s grasp to turn this ship….but they need to get on it right now….how much resistance they’re receiving from the unions, I don’t know. But our rugby is in such a state, that everyone should put their heads together to drive the success of our rugby as a nation.

  • Comment 80, posted at 29.08.16 17:47:19 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 77) : I am with you 100% re Lewies. Every time I see him play, he impresses me more and more. He has shown mongrel and strong leadership ability, the lineouts are markedly better when he is calling them, and he can excel at both 4 and 5 lock. If he can stay healthy I believe he has a very bright future both as a player and perhaps a future captain.

  • Comment 81, posted at 29.08.16 18:19:12 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 81) : It’s all in the moustache; you just don’t mess with a guy with facial hair like that. It practically screams “I’m gonna find you in the parking lot and I’m bringing my pipe wrench with”…

  • Comment 82, posted at 29.08.16 19:09:20 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 78) : @The hound (Comment 79) : main problem is over time other teams have also stepped up with regards to physicality so it’s not as easy to dominate them as 9 years back.
    Only thing that will return the Bok “glory days” is to adapt their game plan oh yes and to drop the out of form players.

  • Comment 83, posted at 29.08.16 21:18:04 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 83) : The thing that kills our rugby is provincialism,Coetzee came in and replaced Meyer and his Bulls coaching staff with Stormers coaches,they then chucked out all the Bulls and brought in all their Stormers including ex ones from overseas.
    We need an EddieJones or a Robbie Deans to come in here and pick a team without any provincial prejudice.just pick the 15 best players

  • Comment 84, posted at 29.08.16 21:54:35 by The hound Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 80) : “Saru invest time and money.” ..do you see where you went wrong?

  • Comment 85, posted at 30.08.16 06:47:00 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 83) : And maybe some proper conditioning for good measure. I doubt any player today is able to keep up with the bok team of 95 in terms of fitness and lean grunt.

  • Comment 86, posted at 30.08.16 06:49:07 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 82) : That has to be comment of the month. Feel I needed that laugh.

  • Comment 87, posted at 30.08.16 07:11:16 by Hulk Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 84) : Unfortunately no international quality, foreign coach, would touch the Boks with a 10 foot barge pole.

  • Comment 88, posted at 30.08.16 07:15:14 by Hulk Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 88) : I disagree with you the Boks are still a great brand,and any rugby coach worth his salt knows that.We just have allowed the wrong people to pollute the brand.Coetzee,Proudfoot and Stick couldn’t get employment in Zimbabwe,and we have given them our pride and joy to run into the ground.
    Eddie Jones would have jumped at the Bok job,shit he took the Stormers one.

  • Comment 89, posted at 30.08.16 07:55:50 by The hound Reply
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  • @Hulk (Comment 88) : Very correct there

  • Comment 90, posted at 30.08.16 07:58:52 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 88) : @The hound (Comment 89) : sorry to say but I must agree with Hulk. I can’t see any top international coach taking the job with all the conditions and rugby politics surrounding the post.

  • Comment 91, posted at 30.08.16 08:01:35 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 91) : Lets be honest here Alistair Coetzee and co are going nowhere until 2019. So what can be done bearing that in mind. In my opinion best option is to put the best possible provincial coaches in charge and get all the unions playing the same way so that the national side have access to well coached players playing the same way

  • Comment 92, posted at 30.08.16 08:16:13 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 84) : you’re correct about provincialism but it goes much deeper than just the Bok coach. Just look at SARU management (especially the Currie cup format) and how the smaller unions just do what’s best for them and not what’s best for SA rugby! The whole system is a joke with the tail wagging the dog!!!

  • Comment 93, posted at 30.08.16 08:16:29 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 92) : are you mad provincial coaches taking instructions from the national coach witchcraft I tell you witchcraft!!! ;-)
    Boet in SA every dung beetle is only worried about his own little ball and does not give a shit about the rest or the bigger picture!

  • Comment 94, posted at 30.08.16 08:22:28 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 94) : Your last sentence is unfortunately very very true

  • Comment 95, posted at 30.08.16 08:33:31 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 94) :
    @SheldonK (Comment 95) :

    And we wonder why the All Blacks are so good. That there is exactly the reason why. The Unions all work towards the bigger picture, and it has paid off big time…

  • Comment 96, posted at 30.08.16 09:19:03 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 95) : @Richard Ferguson (Comment 96) : sad but true untill the unions do what’s best for rugby we will never be better than the All Blacks!!!

  • Comment 97, posted at 30.08.16 09:31:06 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 97) : I don’t think its a case of us getting as good as the All Blacks that will get us a win,I think its more a case of of that only happening when they get as shite as us.

  • Comment 98, posted at 30.08.16 09:40:52 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 89) : I base my opinion on the lack of applicants looking for the coaching job just handed to AC. It was only him and Rassie looking and Rassie pulled out so not sure who you are thinking of. I welcome correction but I’m not sure there is a coach who wants the headache of the Bok job.

  • Comment 99, posted at 30.08.16 09:41:43 by Hulk Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 99) : I think Eddie Jones would have taken it before he got the England job,and that is why he first went to the Stormers,John Mitchell would take it,there are numezousgood second tier coaches in New Zealand who have nowhere to go.
    Coetzee has never been a good coach,Jake had to bring Eddie Jones in above him to win the World Cup. He isa man who embraces mediocrity,you can see it in the way he defends loss,compare that to Cheika who fumes at losing.

  • Comment 100, posted at 30.08.16 09:53:32 by The hound Reply
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  • Do people really think that AC will be replaced as coach anytime soon? I really really cannot see that happening at all.

  • Comment 101, posted at 30.08.16 10:29:52 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 101) : I think he will resign ,we are going total a beating in Brisbane this week by a totally humiliated wallabies team,then we play the AB ‘s,so it looks like he will be the first Bok coach in ages to loose 3 in a row.

  • Comment 102, posted at 30.08.16 10:56:09 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 102) : hmmm i didnt think of him resigning…i still think its unlikely but maybe

  • Comment 103, posted at 30.08.16 11:06:01 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 102) : He won’t resign, in his mind he’s not doing too bad at all. Just look at his attitude, he accepts defeat way too easily to care about resigning. He was the same at the Streamers. They asked him in an interview once if he regretted not making the SR final once, he just answered ‘No’. He’s an idiot.

  • Comment 104, posted at 30.08.16 11:27:39 by Quintin Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 100) :

    You’re saying that the Boks needed Eddie Jones to beat England and Argentina?

    I seem to remember them beating those two handsomely a few times without his help.

  • Comment 105, posted at 30.08.16 13:05:14 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 105) : Oh shit not this old chestnut again yes ,
    ,we beat the team that came second twice,and beat the team that came third,
    not the Boks,Jakes or Eddie’s fault that the AB’S ,Aussies and French were so crap,

  • Comment 106, posted at 30.08.16 13:18:25 by The hound Reply
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  • Barring Mvovo and Hougaard the Boks make no changes for squad for rest of rugby championship…guess we know the outcomes on these next games then

  • Comment 107, posted at 30.08.16 13:35:02 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 107) : We need a FH. There is no control in our game. We look very aimless. We can’t only blame Jantjies for this as a lot of the other players aren’t performing either, but he has to take some responsibility as he is in the key decision making position. He’s had his chance’s I’d say.

  • Comment 108, posted at 30.08.16 13:52:34 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 108) : I see they have taken Jantjies on tour but havnt cleared him fit to play just fit to tour apparently. But yes as you say it is the 9/10 that determines the speed of play as well as the direction etc. And at the moment its a bit all over the place with no control

  • Comment 109, posted at 30.08.16 14:07:32 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 106) :

    But now you’re saying we won because the ABs and Aussies failed.

    Which is a bit different than saying, we won because of Eddie Jones.

  • Comment 110, posted at 30.08.16 14:12:07 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 110) : Yes and the loss to the Japanese,had nothing to do with Jones and was all about the superiority of Sushi to biltong,and the English whitewash of the Aussies was about tea and cucumber sandwiches,being so superior to shrimp the barby,What I started off by saying was that Coetzee was so kak that Jake brought Jones in above him to do his job,and he did it so well we won a World Cup.

  • Comment 111, posted at 30.08.16 16:42:08 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 111) : @fyndraai (Comment 110) : don’t want to step into your argument but sorry Hound to say Japan and England just won because of Jones is a little simplistic.
    1. Japan beat Bokke because Bokke totally underestimated Japan and Jones had a superior game plan. Japan wanted it more and was better prepared than Bokke and on the day it showed.
    2. As for English totally stuffing up Ozzies it might also have something to do with English playing in the last 4 under 20 finals winning 3 whereas Ozzies last played in a final in 2010.
    Yes Jones is a great coach but without the players and backup of the union he will also be a failure. Sorry to say but with the current SARU setup I can’t see any coach succeeding.

  • Comment 112, posted at 30.08.16 17:47:01 by JD Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 111) :

    No. You started off by saying that the Boks would not have won the WC without Jones.

    That is the nonsense part. EJs accomplishments before or since are completely irrelevant to your assertion.

    What’s relevent is whether the Boks could have beaten Eng and Arg without EJ. All evidence suggests that they could.

  • Comment 113, posted at 30.08.16 18:49:17 by fyndraai Reply
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  • His first theory was that if human beings didn’t keep exercising their lips, their mouths probably shriveled up.

    After a few months of observation he had come up with a second theory, which was this–”If human beings don’t keep exercising their lips, their brains start working.

    Douglas Adams, The Restaurant at the End of the Universe (Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy

  • Comment 114, posted at 30.08.16 19:04:09 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 112) : Can’t agree with you,Jones gave the Japanese and the English the self belief that they could win,Kitch Christie and Jake White did the same thing. for the Boks.
    Coetzee,Meyer,deVillliers and Mallet all failed to do that.
    I think Jones could have won Super rugby with that same pathetic Robbie Fleck coached team.
    But hey we will never know.
    Until we get a coach who can make us believe that we are world beaters again we will carry on losing,to weaker and weaker position.
    The Pumas now have reason to believe they can beat us home and away.
    And we now have that same doubt that we can be beaten by anybody,Italy will be next.

  • Comment 115, posted at 30.08.16 19:48:47 by The hound Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 113) : My words were and still are White brought Jones in above Coetzee and we won a world cup,now you can construe it anyway you like,but the fact is that the Boks won a World cup with Eddie Jones as the backline coach.

  • Comment 116, posted at 30.08.16 19:53:17 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 115) : if he’s such a good coach why did they not kick on from the victory over the Bokke to finish higher or reach playoffs? Kak Bokke was also within a penalty kick or drop kick of beating All Blacks to reach WC final in 2015. Not to shabby as next closes game vs AB was an AB victory by 10 point against Argies (in the first game). Personally it shows me a bit about how shit the Bokke was!

  • Comment 117, posted at 30.08.16 23:20:38 by JD Reply
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  • The hound @ comment 100
    “Jake had to bring Eddie Jones in above him to win the World Cup”

    The hound @ comment 115
    “White brought Jones in above Coetzee and we won a world cup”

    I think we made some progress.

  • Comment 118, posted at 31.08.16 00:08:00 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 115) : Contrast that with the AB’s, and I’d say not even Fleck could ruin that team.

    We need a setup in SA that succeeds in spite of mediocre coaching…..ie, less reliance on a savior coach, more reliance on a professional system that have woken-up to professional sports in the 21st century. We’re still trying to recapture the glory-days of Kitch Christie, in an era where science drives sporting innovation.

  • Comment 119, posted at 31.08.16 07:33:45 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 119) : must say I’d love to see him coach the All Blacks!!!
    Like you said the game has moved on but a lot of people and coaches in SA still have the same mentality about the game. Other teams are stepping up physically so it’s not as easy to dominate them so will have to adapt or die!

  • Comment 120, posted at 31.08.16 08:03:42 by JD Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 119) : If you look at the recent past and current AB’s coaches you can clearly see in their attitudes they have a lot of confidence in their players. They look calm and they know the team understands the game plan that was set up. By contrast, our coaches look stressed and very emotional and unsure in the coaching boxes and in pre and post match interviews, it doesn’t look like they have it all planned out neither does it look like they have 100% trust in the players to do the job.

  • Comment 121, posted at 31.08.16 08:24:53 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 121) : Of course the All Black coaches dont look stressed. They have a large group of players to choose from all trained in the same skillset since a young age, all playing towards the same game plan and thinking and all based in New Zealand…oh and no external interference. The toughest part of the job is who to leave out.

  • Comment 122, posted at 31.08.16 08:31:49 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 122) : That was exactly the angle I was aiming for. Our coaches has a lot more bullshit to deal with than theirs have. But we also have a large group of players to choose from, we are just not allowed to pick the best of them and a lot of them are going oversees, not necessarily meaning we can’t pick them. Regarding our game plans from our coaches though in the last couple of years, it was either one dimensional (HM) or none at all(AC). I feel Snorre inherited a very good squad of players and just continued with the game plan we already had in place.

  • Comment 123, posted at 31.08.16 08:54:48 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 123) :

    Snorre rocked up at work and said “Luister Oom John, jy en Oom Matfield moet net doen wat julle wil hoor, maak soos Oom Jake gemaak het”

  • Comment 124, posted at 31.08.16 08:59:59 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 124) : I like this a lot :lol: :lol: I think he had a very good media personality though, at least he was worth a laugh now and then even if he didn’t do much coaching. We can laugh at our coaches now, but for all the wrong reasons.

  • Comment 125, posted at 31.08.16 09:07:44 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 123) : Nevermind the game plans of our National coaches…the game plans of each provincial side in SA is very different, so week in and week out the payers play a different way and the National coach has a week or 2 to try get them all on same page. Add to that the players skillsets all vary widely between the unions and what is expected of each. The role of the Sa national coach is basically like a wine farmer in Stellies trying to find the 23 best grapes grown in the whole of Stellenbosh…and then make them all taste the same

  • Comment 126, posted at 31.08.16 09:10:04 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 125) :

    Snorre was the ultimate entertainer while still playing winning rugby, whether inherited or by pure luck..

  • Comment 127, posted at 31.08.16 09:11:09 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 126) :

    That is a bloody good analogy…

  • Comment 128, posted at 31.08.16 09:11:52 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 119) : Agree totally. I’m sure Steve Hansen is a superb coach, but his job is made immeasurably easier by the quality of his assistants, the stability of his environment, and the fact that there’s a unified vision (and support for that vision) from junior school level upwards.

  • Comment 129, posted at 31.08.16 09:45:21 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 126) : Who’s responsibility should it be to get the provincial sides working together towards an all round game plan so the national side can benefit from it? As far as I understand it, Graham Henry was the one pressuring NZRU with that concept back in the day, and they bought into it and it has cleary worked for them. I might be wrong as that was a couple of years ago. But I believe it’s part of the national coaches responsibility to propose such an idea to the national union and pressure them to make it happen. After that, its up to SARU to enforce this ‘philosophy’ onto the provincial sides or at least propose a plan to get them working closer with each other.

  • Comment 130, posted at 31.08.16 09:58:10 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 130) : hahaha you have more luck of Sa converting to using the British pound than you do of the Sa Unions all working together. They couldnt all agree on a lunch order nevermind a game plan. For years its been each for their own and i cannot see anyone changing that in the near future if at all. So in terms of whose responsibility…i dont think anyone can be tasked with it. Yes the National coach would love it…but good luck telling all the Unions to co-operate for the benefit of the Boks

  • Comment 131, posted at 31.08.16 10:10:26 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 131) : The fact that they are unwilling to work together has been an obvious problem for a number of years, hence why I said “…its up to SARU to enforce this ‘philosophy’ onto the provincial sides or at least propose a plan to get them working closer with each other.” Neither of that has happened to date. Well at least there was no convincing attempt to make it happen. The only way to start with it is for the national coach to pressure SARU into buying into it. He was after all hand selected by them, he surely has to have a say in it. But he doesn’t even have the balls to stand up to his own players not performing so I don’t see AC doing it.

  • Comment 132, posted at 31.08.16 10:31:20 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 132) : The thing we need to remember is that the SARU president is selected by the Unions so he has to kept them happy not piss them off if he wants to keep his job. So do we really think he will take a firm stand on this? Unlikely

  • Comment 133, posted at 31.08.16 12:00:13 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 133) : We need people with more guts in those positions, not someone who wants to please everyone who loses sight of what is needed in our rugby environment. If the chosen president can’t convince them that his plan would benefit all unions involved, he’s not the right guy. Why do the unions select these so called presidents anyway? Do they have a shortlist to choose from or is it by nomination?

  • Comment 134, posted at 31.08.16 12:59:15 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 134) : Not entirely sure how it works. I assume there is a nomination process and presentations given before a vote. So you want a strong willed politician who has the best interest of Sa rugby at heart and not his own agendas…. you gonna have to be very good this year and beg santa claus for that

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 135) @SheldonK (Comment 131) : : http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/RugbyChampionship/marais-backs-bok-indaba-idea-20160831?isapp=true – Read this, it’s a start at least.

  • Comment 136, posted at 31.08.16 19:11:06 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 136) : At least its something…but talk is cheap…actions count

  • Comment 137, posted at 01.09.16 08:27:07 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 137) : It’s exactly what I wanted though. Let’s see if the unions play nice.

  • Comment 138, posted at 01.09.16 08:35:23 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 138) : Yeh it is a start. SA rugby public need to learn to accept mistakes being made by players if we are going to change the way we play. Even if it means a loss or three. At the moment as soon as a mistake is made or loss incurred people become very critical so coaches/players revert to risk free rugby just to get a result no matter how

  • Comment 139, posted at 01.09.16 09:27:19 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 138) : @SheldonK (Comment 139) : Lock them in the room, and keep them there until they find a solution to which they all agree – throw a few fitness coaches, skills coaches and sports scientists in to make sure there’s some brains behind the finalised plan….

    Major difference from HM’s days, where it seemed to me that he wanted to dictate the playing style to the franchises.

    Everyone works together, and everyone takes responsibility and accountability for Bok failures.

  • Comment 140, posted at 01.09.16 09:35:21 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 139) : Yeah I for one have to admit I’m one of the more critical guys when we do lose(franchise or international) but I always try to reason why at least. I think overall though the South African supporters are probably the hardest to get on your side if you don’t give the results they ‘require’ to continue supporting you. I like what Rob said to the young Sharks players regarding our playing style. He said to the youngsters that they can play their attacking game plan, and he told them to know that there will be mistakes in the beginning but you will become more efficient as you get into it. I like the transparency there, now if we could get some transparency from the Boks too regarding what their actual game plan is it would be great, and with AC taking the step to address the unions regarding a ‘universal’ play style among them is a good step forward. Implementation will be the difficult part.

  • Comment 141, posted at 01.09.16 09:42:26 by Quintin Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 140) : Sounds like far too much common sense for SA rugby ;) They would spend the majority of the time deciding whats for lunch and whose paying for it

  • Comment 142, posted at 01.09.16 10:08:07 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 141) : Yeh look dont get me wrong…there is nothing wrong with being critical…just make sure there is some perspective thrown in there as well. At the end of the day these guys are professionals so should be held to a high level. That being said no human is infallible and mistakes will be made. Its whether those mistakes arent learnt from and whether they happen with a good process is what im looking for.

  • Comment 143, posted at 01.09.16 10:10:42 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 142) : I understand your view. It’s going to be hard to get them to decide on a plan but I think it’s very negative to say that they won’t at least have a discussion about it because their lunches are more important to them. I think it’s great that the idea is even on the table, it’s better than not having an idea to work together at all.

  • Comment 144, posted at 01.09.16 10:17:32 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 144) : I was being a bit tongue in cheek with that comment. It is a good start and great initiative if they can get it right and continue to have those discussions

  • Comment 145, posted at 01.09.16 10:24:25 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 142) : Get the new mayor of Pretoria (Tshwane) to sort the budget out….they’ll quickly focus on the matter at hand :twisted:

  • Comment 146, posted at 01.09.16 10:42:27 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 145) : Yeah let’s just hope it goes beyond discussions to something substantial we can actually work with.

  • Comment 147, posted at 01.09.16 11:35:35 by Quintin Reply

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  • We are facing the real prospect of losing the next 4 games,and are in danger of being whitewashed by England.
    Springbok rugby has sunk to a level that it has never been to before,even Strauelli in the aftermath of Kamp Staalgraad never took us to these depths.
    Its like we waiting to play Italy again to be on the winning side.

  • Comment 148, posted at 01.09.16 11:41:46 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 148) : The way we are playing I’m a little bit ashamed to say that I even fear Italy.

  • Comment 149, posted at 01.09.16 15:09:32 by Quintin Reply

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