Richard Ferguson

Forward changes for Boks


Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :All Blacks, Original Content, Springboks, The Rugby Championship on 15 Sep 2016 at 08:14
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The Springboks team being led to slaughter selected to face the All Blacks this weekend sees only two changes to the starting team that went down to Australia last week.

We knew there would be a new lock after the injury to Lood de Jager, with the Pieter-Steph du Toit getting a start alongside Stormers teammate Eben Etzebeth.

The other change comes in the front row where Vincent Koch rotates with Lourens Adriaanse.

The backline remains unchanges, with new centre combination de Jongh and Kriel getting a second chance to try get some ball to run with.

On the bench we see the addition of Malcolm Marx, who is set to make his Springbok debut should the need arise. A few minutes at the end sure to be of no use to the impressive hooker.

Willem Alberts comes straight off the plane onto the bench, covering both the second row and the entire loose trio along with Jaco Kriel. Damian de Allende gets the last bench spot above Lionel Mapoe.

A few landmarks during this test, Francois Louw plays in his 50th test while Bryan Habana sets a new record for wing in playing 120 International matches.

South Africa: 15 Johan Goosen, 14 Bryan Habana, 13 Jesse Kriel, 12 Juan de Jongh, 11 Francois Hougaard, 10 Elton Jantjies, 9 Faf de Klerk, 8 Warren Whiteley, 7 Oupa Mohoje, 6 Francois Louw, 5 Pieter-Steph du Toit, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Vincent Koch, 2 Adriaan Strauss (captain), 1 Tendai Mtawarira

Substitutes: 16 Malcolm Marx, 17 Steven Kitshoff, 18 Lourens Adriaanse, 19 Franco Mostert, 20 Willem Alberts, 21 Jaco Kriel, 22 Morne Steyn, 23 Damian de Allende



79 Comments

  • no surprises really – I have a feeling about this game…not a winning feeling…just an improvement…Thanks for the update Mr Ferguson! ;-)

  • Comment 1, posted at 15.09.16 08:18:43 by DuToit04 Reply
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  • Can an injured Springbok spring a surprise?? Nope not even close. AB’s by at least 25.

  • Comment 2, posted at 15.09.16 08:19:44 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 2) : Bookies have them by 22 so you’re pretty close. Changes made at the wrong places.

    Flo needs to go. Need another FH option if Jantjies blows hot and cold again and surely after Habana was so pathetic under the high ball last week we need someone better there??

  • Comment 3, posted at 15.09.16 08:26:12 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 3) :

    You forget, we need to give Louw a chance to play his 50th and Habana is now setting the record for most International caps as a wing on 120 – They are setting records and reaching achievements so they must be good?!

  • Comment 4, posted at 15.09.16 08:29:00 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @DuToit04 (Comment 1) : I hope you’re feeling is right, the one I’m having is definitely bad one.

  • Comment 5, posted at 15.09.16 08:30:18 by Quintin Reply

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  • This team just screams mediocrity.

  • Comment 6, posted at 15.09.16 08:30:26 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 6) : Not in the same school, let alone the same class as the AB’s.

  • Comment 7, posted at 15.09.16 08:31:17 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • Great insight into Coetzee’s man management skills is Bongi’s cameo last week.He must have been on the field for all of 5 minutes long enough for Coetzee to realise that he was not the man to be on the bench this week.
    The whole of S.A has been telling him this for weeks,but he kept poor Bongi there week after week,then finally gives him 5 min to prove himself and axes him immediately.

  • Comment 8, posted at 15.09.16 08:32:11 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 8) :

    According to Coetzee in his press release with the team announcement, there is a plan with Malcolm and Bongi with the imminent retirement of Strauss.

    There is plan – we just don’t know what it is.

  • Comment 9, posted at 15.09.16 08:35:36 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 4) : Oh right, that explains those two then…what about de Jong??

    Strauss lifted his game a bit against Aus, but not enough to warrent a spot near the jersey.

  • Comment 10, posted at 15.09.16 08:36:06 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 4) : well both will celebrate their landmark achievements with a loss!!! And the loss could be so big that it’s also another landmark!!!

  • Comment 11, posted at 15.09.16 08:37:02 by JD Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 9) : fuck does he even know what that plan is or is he maybe still busy sucking it out of his thumb!?!?!

  • Comment 12, posted at 15.09.16 08:38:08 by JD Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 9) : His plan is to keep telling us there is a plan for the next four years, all the while he just plays musical chairs with the team until they either win by, with some luck get some good chemistry or just win by plain luck. Then after such a win he’s going to say : That was my plan all along.

  • Comment 13, posted at 15.09.16 08:38:56 by Quintin Reply

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  • Just take the whole subs bench barring Morn and make them start…bench those they replace….even that from a couch pundit is better than what the bok coach has gone for!

  • Comment 14, posted at 15.09.16 08:38:58 by Sharkfinn Reply

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  • “Willem Alberts comes straight off the plane onto the bench, covering both the second row and the entire loose trio”……how is it possible that we let this Superman go.

  • Comment 15, posted at 15.09.16 08:43:25 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 15) : How is it possible that we waited this long to realise this ;-)

  • Comment 16, posted at 15.09.16 08:47:21 by The hound Reply
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  • So team pretty much as i thought, although i didnt see the Marx for Bongi swap. So what are the positives here…well the starting locks are good,the front row on the bench is very strong and the bench overall is pretty strong just not a fan of 6/2, and i guess there is consistency elsewhere so maybe they gel more. Hard to see the Boks put up anything more than a brave effort for about half an hour

  • Comment 17, posted at 15.09.16 08:49:05 by SheldonK Reply

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  • If we kick to the back three…the best in the world you know we are clueless….we have two small wings and an even smaller fb…for this game I would bring in Damian and put Kriel at fb…Damian has always rocked against NZ….even they were saying he would make their team ffs. .yeah he had dome some bad games but he us not kak. Their back three are formidable!

  • Comment 18, posted at 15.09.16 08:54:14 by Sharkfinn Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 15) : @The hound (Comment 16) : Just hope when he comes on he tackles the flying fuck out of some cocky NZ’landers :lol:

    @SheldonK (Comment 17) : Yeah I really don’t expect any surprises with this game, we might have some hope in the early stages, then they will shatter that little hope by opening us up so easy it will start to look funny. I see them running that 10-12 channel to shreds a lot as we don’t have good defenders there.

  • Comment 19, posted at 15.09.16 08:56:29 by Quintin Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 12) :

    The plan is to give them both a few caps off the bench with no impact on the game, and bringing back Bissie in the new year and leaving either Mbonambi or Marx with another 2 minutes off the bench each game..

  • Comment 20, posted at 15.09.16 08:56:41 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Sharkfinn (Comment 18) : Yeah he’s definitely not kak, he just has to get his form back. We seriously need to bulk up our midfield but I see the problem at the 10-12 channel. Elton is not a good defender, neither is de Jong, and they don’t have the size to make up for it either.

  • Comment 21, posted at 15.09.16 08:59:10 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 20) : Actually, you lost me at ” The plan…”

  • Comment 22, posted at 15.09.16 08:59:59 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 19) : I have no doubt that he will,only problem is that everytime he damages an opposition player he damages himself more

  • Comment 23, posted at 15.09.16 09:01:37 by The hound Reply
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  • How different would that backline be with the strength,aggression and educated boot of Frans Steyn.
    AB’s fear him, in fact it was his boot alone that gave them their last defeat on home soil.

  • Comment 24, posted at 15.09.16 09:05:11 by The hound Reply
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  • I also want to have a good go at Toetie, but then I remind myself the man is boxing with both hands tied behind his back.

  • Comment 25, posted at 15.09.16 09:12:39 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 24) : I hate to even think that we wasted his talents. He would be one of my 1st picks if I was coach. He could have been an all time Springbok legend. Such an awesome talent.

  • Comment 26, posted at 15.09.16 09:14:39 by Quintin Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 24) : I think it was Pat that kicked over from just inside our half in that game though?

  • Comment 27, posted at 15.09.16 09:15:38 by Quintin Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 24) :

    I wouldn’t mind Steyn in either 10, 12 or 15.

    He adds bulk, can tackle and can punish them with penalties from 60m out.. Not a bad thing to have if the rest of your team cannot get across the advantage line..

  • Comment 28, posted at 15.09.16 09:16:45 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Quintin (Comment 27) : That was at Ellis Park, Hound is talking about the game in NZ when Steyn kicked penalties from inside his own half

  • Comment 29, posted at 15.09.16 09:18:23 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Coetzee: “Marx dominated nz teams in superrugby”… So Straus is captain and Marx will get max 20min… Ecactly how is that helping us?….. Not that I think he’ll help us beat the All Blacks.

  • Comment 30, posted at 15.09.16 09:20:45 by ebenp Reply

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  • Mohoje is of concern to me. His tackling often ends up looking illegal and a few times against Arg his swinging arm looked like a half punch. 14 men to this All Black team can very easily mean 14 points against you so we need to be clinical. Also not kick onto the back three. If I were Coetzee this week I’d adopt Harry Viljoens philosophy, nobody kicks…. At all.

  • Comment 31, posted at 15.09.16 09:24:56 by Hulk Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 29) : I’m talking about two massive drop goals, that quote Graham Henry his words in his post match
    ”We were beaten by a complete freak today”

  • Comment 32, posted at 15.09.16 09:26:21 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 29) : Oh yeah, didn’t read the part where he said defeat on THEIR home soil. Wow that’s a long time ago, 2009 at the Waikato Stadium :shock:

  • Comment 33, posted at 15.09.16 09:29:20 by Quintin Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 32) : Im sure he also kicked a penalty from inside his half that day too? I do remember the 1 drop goal

  • Comment 34, posted at 15.09.16 09:30:24 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 34) : He rarely takes drop kicks from those distances anymore (from my observation). My thought is he would kick from those distances as he was so young, it was the arrogance of youth saying “I can do that”. He’s grown up now and is he now more “respectful” of that distance? Any thoughts or am I way left of field here?

  • Comment 35, posted at 15.09.16 09:34:46 by Hulk Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 35) : If im not mistaken i think he was playing fullback then. He is playing a lot more with ball in hand currently. With the big pack Montpelier have they often chose to kick for touch and maul rather than a long range penalty.

  • Comment 36, posted at 15.09.16 09:37:09 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 25) : Hi, why does everyone keep saying that? Why are his hands tied behind his back? Who forced him to make that moron captain? I dont mean to have a go at you, Im just trying to understand. Who makes him pick an overseas based flyhalf/centre at fullback? Who makes him pick an overseas based overrated flank ahead of Jaco Kriel? Why does he keep changing the midfield? The man doesnt have his hands tied he is just simply out of his depth. Where are F Steyn and Bismarck?

  • Comment 37, posted at 15.09.16 09:47:06 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 37) : someone here said the other day that picking Morne Steyn and Elton Jantjies in the same team, players with polar opposite games, just shows that there is no plan.

  • Comment 38, posted at 15.09.16 09:48:56 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 32) : It is such a waste, it is actually a sin.

  • Comment 39, posted at 15.09.16 09:50:39 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 37) : Agree with you a 100%. Yes the guy wasn’t allowed to pick his own coaching staff and has that ugly Q word to deal with, but the choices he’s allowed to make he’s screwing up, badly! He had a relative easy start to his coaching job(3 Ire, 2 Arg). Better than playing Eng/Wales and Aus/Nz in your 1st 5 matches, it still doesn’t look like we have a plan and we have not had a single convincing performance yet.

  • Comment 40, posted at 15.09.16 10:31:02 by Quintin Reply

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  • It is a total disgrace that oupa mohoje is playing 7 for the boks he is absolutley useless .The man wouldn’t even make a ITM cup team.I disagree with people in the media especially Henyani Shimangi who says Oupa is a good defender and therefore is the best blindside flank in the country.If he were to dominate the collisions i wont mind but he doesnt apart from 2 high tackles,yes he made alot of tackles but none of them were big if they want to pick him just for hes defence they might as well pick paul Jordaan at flank because he can also make alot of tackles.Heres a link from a NZ reporter who wrote a artical about our beloved boks http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/opinion/84197916/Mark-Reason-Springboks-backline-is-a-shambles-and-their-defence-is-bankrupt

  • Comment 41, posted at 15.09.16 10:54:23 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 4) : If Habana had been playing in New Zealand or any other country with halfway decent wings then he would have not played another test after 2008!

    We kept him in the side for game after useless game because we wouldn’t back anybody else. He was selected on reputation and NOT form and that is the reason the All Blacks are, and will remain for the foreseeable future, the best team in the world.

    Louw, Habana, Beast, Strauss, de Allende, de Jongh are all there on reputation. None of them can claim to be the best in their position!

  • Comment 42, posted at 15.09.16 10:58:19 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 41) : He pulled no punches in that article!

  • Comment 43, posted at 15.09.16 10:59:01 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 36) : Fair point. Suppose at inside centre he rarely gets the space or time to take his drop goals at 60m+.

  • Comment 44, posted at 15.09.16 11:00:24 by Hulk Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 44) : Yeh pretty much. Think if he played 15 more we would see it more often.

  • Comment 45, posted at 15.09.16 11:03:21 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 37) : Firstly I don’t believe he is really up to the job (as you rightly point out), but then he is pretty much on his own (I don’t believe his assistants add much value overall.) Other international coaches has strong coaching teams (who will challenge them on daft selections or game plans), whereas AC still has to coach his back line coach along with the players. He had very little time to prepare as SARU dragged their feet on the decision. Where other coaches just worry about selecting the best teams, AC still has to consider politicians views as well.

    He kind of got the job by default, because the international level coaches who can do not want to touch Bok coach position with a barge pole and the one (Jake White) who probably would still want to is persona non-grata at SARU.

    The problem is if he gets fired, there really is no-one to replace him. Ackers may do the job at this level, but I prefer him to still get a bit more experience. Ideally he should be drafted into the coaching team in any case.

  • Comment 46, posted at 15.09.16 11:06:31 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 46) : The problem with Ackers coaching the Boks is then who coaches the Lions and actually spends the most time preparing players for the Bok coach? Cant expect Ackers to perform miracles in a couple weeks with players in a Bok camp

  • Comment 47, posted at 15.09.16 11:12:39 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 47) : That is also true.

  • Comment 48, posted at 15.09.16 11:15:06 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 46) : @SheldonK (Comment 47) : ja and Ackers coaching the SA A side totally smashed the English Saxons!!! There’s a lot more problems in SA rugbythan just the coach and changing AC for any other coach will have limited changes to the Bok performance!

  • Comment 49, posted at 15.09.16 11:21:45 by JD Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 46) : What SARU should’ve done is to give Coetzee a proper assistant like Swys deBruin.
    I still think he is 50% of Ackerman’s success.
    Stick,van Graan and Proudfoot between them couldn’t coach a kitten to drink milk.

  • Comment 50, posted at 15.09.16 11:25:11 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 50) : and yet Swys had virtually no success in Durban. I wonder why that was?

  • Comment 51, posted at 15.09.16 11:26:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 51) : must have been the humidity!!!

  • Comment 52, posted at 15.09.16 11:42:26 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 52) : or the fact that he can only coach when everyone is as much of a staunch Christian as he is.

    He’s gone on record with that.

    So tell me how Swys de Bruin operates in an environment where Nizaam Carr is one of the players? Just as an example.

  • Comment 53, posted at 15.09.16 11:45:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 51) : So you reckon he was a failure in his time at the Academy,sheet can’t begin to wonder how you rate the current regime.

  • Comment 54, posted at 15.09.16 11:49:51 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 54) : LOL. Race to the bottom.

    How many age group trophies did Swys win? Remind me please?

  • Comment 55, posted at 15.09.16 11:54:34 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 51) : I don’t know where you got that info from!

    @The hound (Comment 50) : Totally agree!

  • Comment 56, posted at 15.09.16 11:55:15 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 54) : @Uli Boelie (Comment 56) : noboday said he was a failure or a bad coach but let’s face it except for 2 Vodacom cup finals with Griekwas he did not win a lot of trophies before joining the Lions?!?!

  • Comment 57, posted at 15.09.16 12:17:08 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 57) : 2004-2012 academy head coach / U19 and U21 skills coach, what is there for him to win?

  • Comment 58, posted at 15.09.16 12:27:05 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 58) : he had several campaigns as head coach of both u19 and u21 teams during that period and never looked like winning a trophy.

  • Comment 59, posted at 15.09.16 12:44:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 59) : Changing the coach now is not going to make it better or even worse for that matter, we have what we have and will have to live with it, the problem starts with the province’s, I watched the breakdown this morning, JK, JW and Co all contributed the success of the AB to a unified playing style that was implemented a couple of years ago under Graham Henry, this when players gets a call up for national duty they know what is expected from them, and they can fit in seamlessly, and thus making the national coaches job so much easier, and that all their players can be rated on the same standards, I bet if we start with that now we might have a year of downs but will then come back stronger than where the AB were in the same situation and can there for be one of the best and most feared team, so no putting all the blame on just the coach end his right hand men

  • Comment 60, posted at 15.09.16 13:07:47 by Henkb Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 59) : I cant say that our u19 or u21 teams ever will. KZN is not really a good talent producer. Can you name all the players he unearthed? From my calcs anyway is that since he has left the Academy and u19,u21 teams have been a hell of allot worst than before.

  • Comment 61, posted at 15.09.16 14:17:58 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 61) : yes, but our recruitment has also got a lot worse.

    You need to be careful not to conflate things that have no bearing on one another. Smit broke the entire junior system in one swoop by getting rid of everything. It wasn’t great before, but it is a hell of a lot worse now.

    I’m still waiting for evidence that Swys de Bruin was some sort of miracle coach while at the Sharks, though.

  • Comment 62, posted at 15.09.16 14:26:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 62) : Nobody said he was miracle coach at the Sharks all I said that a large part of Ackerman’s success can be laid at his door.While we on that subject whats Alistar’s record like,one Currie Cup,in how many tournaments.

  • Comment 63, posted at 15.09.16 14:34:24 by The hound Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 62) : I think you give him allot less credit than what he deserves, something the Sharks also never gave him. The whole “running rugby” thing the Lions are doing comes from him.

  • Comment 64, posted at 15.09.16 14:37:29 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 64) : I think not all players and coaches thrive in every environment. Very few coaches win consistently with 2 different teams. The Lions environment Swys found himself in suited him and he was able to slowly build things up. Had he moved into a super rugby side that required immediate results im not sure the same success would have been had.

  • Comment 65, posted at 15.09.16 14:41:52 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 63) : I won’t for a minute denigrate the achievements of either Ackies or Swys at the Lions. That doesn’t mean I believe for one second that you could transplant either of them to the Boks and expect miraculous results.

  • Comment 66, posted at 15.09.16 14:43:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 64) : so by that token, all the Sharks juniors under his care should have been masters of “running rugby”? Funny, I see no sign of that.

  • Comment 67, posted at 15.09.16 14:43:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 65) : exactly right, Sheldon.

  • Comment 68, posted at 15.09.16 14:44:04 by robdylan Reply
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  • seriously though. I feel bad having a go at Swys. He’s a good guy who has found his niche and that’s great for him. Only point I’m trying to make is that if you guys think he was an unqualified success in Durban and could do no wrong, you are mistaken. He did not get on well with many of the players and never had any real success there. That’s just reality – stop trying to make up a story to substantiate the way you feel about him now.

    Swys is on record that things didn’t work out for him at the Sharks because he wasn’t allowed to “live out his faith through his coaching”. That, to me, implies that he requires a particular culture to be successful and didn’t find that culture in Durban. He won’t find it at the Boks either.

  • Comment 69, posted at 15.09.16 14:47:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 66) : My comment was to appoint Swys as Coetzee’s assistant,to do for Coetzee exactly what he does for Ackermann.Coetzee needs as much help as he can get,van Graan,Stick and Proudfoot are an abysmal assembly.
    Let Yoda take the front man role and allow him to appear like he is in charge,but please for fuck sake don’t start believing that he is capable of doing the job.
    Swys is a highly capable operator,shying the limelight bu t producing the goods behind the scenes.

  • Comment 70, posted at 15.09.16 14:50:52 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 70) : Two questions then…do you think Ackerman will be as successful without Swys with him at the Lions? And Who would you want the Bok forwards coach to be then? (Assuming it needs to be a South African)

  • Comment 71, posted at 15.09.16 14:56:25 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 71) : Yes and definitely not Gary Gold,my personal choice would be John Mitchell as head coach assisted by Rassie Erasmus and James Small.

  • Comment 72, posted at 15.09.16 14:59:29 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 72) : Unfortunately your choices are quite unrealistic though. Is there no forwards coach currently coaching in SA? Interesting your comment that Swys is 50% of Ackers success but you reckon he will be as successful with someone else…suppose it depends who the someone else is

  • Comment 73, posted at 15.09.16 15:06:54 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 73) : Swys would improve AC performance by at least 50%,

  • Comment 74, posted at 15.09.16 15:30:11 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 74) : From Stick to Swys it could be more than 50% ;) But its the forwards where i believe the big issue to be currently

  • Comment 75, posted at 15.09.16 15:34:20 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 69) : Now the same can be said about our last few “successful” coaches (if you want to call it that), obviously they not the problem, durban’s ego is.

  • Comment 76, posted at 15.09.16 15:52:59 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 76) : maybe so, but you’re not going to change it. So we need a coach who can be successful within that culture. Mac made a plan.

  • Comment 77, posted at 15.09.16 16:42:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • Ja AC the more things change the more they stay the same. Hopefully you will come out of your coma long enough to notice the areas that really do need a change, then again maybe not.

  • Comment 78, posted at 15.09.16 18:18:19 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 77) : Suppose Muir made it work too and to a lesser part Plum.

  • Comment 79, posted at 16.09.16 07:23:12 by Hulk Reply

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