Richard Ferguson

All Blacks too good for Boks


Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :All Blacks, Original Content, Springboks, The Rugby Championship on 19 Sep 2016 at 11:57
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The Springboks went down to the All Blacks this weekend, a result which will surprise nobody really. Even the score line of 41 – 13 is in line with what was predicted. So what now?

It was a tight first half, the All Blacks only leading 15 – 10 at the break. Again, this is exactly according to the script, the Boks relying on the adrenaline of facing the Haka to start the game well, only to fall apart after the half time break. The sad part being that the Boks only managed to score 3 points in the second 40 minutes.

The Springboks are now done travelling and face the Wallabies and the All Blacks on home soil before closing the book on what has been a miserable Rugby Championship to date.

Allister Coetzee now stands on 3 wins from 7 starts, a fail mark of 43% so far with no sign of improvement. Coetzee now has the chance to re-look at his squad a select a few new faces to try save what he can and try not finish last in the Rugby Champs.

Looking at the players that took part on Saturday, there are a few that put up their hands to be part of the final two games, while other did very little to show they deserve to be there.

I was very surprised to see Adriaan Strauss replaced with 30 minutes to play. No other hooker has had more than 10 minutes so far under Coetzee, and unfortunately for Malcolm Marx, what should have been 30 minutes of good play to show he should start resulted in the Bok lineout not working at all. We all knew this was a Marx weakness, but nobody knew it would fall apart like it did. In my opinion, I actually thought Strauss looked better than he has all season and even put in a few big hits on defence.

Willem Alberts made a massive impact I felt, getting the Boks on the front foot a few times and getting over the advantage line. His grunt in the loose is something missing from this Bok lineup and I feel a start for him should see the Boks improve overall. Francois Louw also looked better than in previous weeks, a rare good showing from a player in a milestone match.

The halfbacks were poor, Faf started with dropped balls, poor passing and looked out of his depth. I am not sure if the moment was too big, but he was a long way off his best. He was bossed by both Smith and Perenara on a night the New Zealand Scrumhalves ran amok. The partnership with Jantjies simply isn’t working in the green and gold, like it did with the Lions. A change there is necessary, and I think we are likely to see it before the home leg.

Otherwise I though Vincent Koch was busy, but started to fold in the second half at scrum time. Adriaanse wasn’t much better when he came on, the Boks missing the stability Jannie du Plessis brought to the table. Eben and Pieter-Steph also looked formidable, both getting in on some action in the loose and taking a few defenders with them.

Amongst the backs, it looked better in that first half, the ball was going past Jantjies and the centres had more to work with, but the overall quality of handling was very poor. The sad thing was that it was going backwards, after a decent start it was getting worse as time went on. I feel Goosen is finally finding his feet at fullback, hopefully we see him remain there and he isn’t seen as the solution at flyhalf.

Overall, another disappointing loss, but it was the way the players gave up after going 10 points down which was really disappointing. Once their heads dropped, it was always going to be a big win for the All Blacks. I am not sure if it fitness levels or just team spirit, but those last 20 minutes are costing the Boks week in and week out.

Coetzee and his team now have two weeks to try ruffle enough feathers and get some confidence in this team to go out there and play some rugby to keep the fans in the stands. Two more pastings at home and I feel the fans will completely give up in this team.



100 Comments

  • He must first get a propper coaching team together. He has a gov agenda on his back weighing him down. Then he needs to get the best players from overseas. Give morne and Faf behind the scrum and get lambie and Charl together because we have no firepower there.

  • Comment 1, posted at 19.09.16 12:11:14 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • I cant see any evidence from either the Boks or the guys at CC level to suggest a possible turn around in Bok fortunes. As was said by the commentators on Saturday..the Boks performance is characterised by poor decisions and poor execution.

  • Comment 2, posted at 19.09.16 12:14:08 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I feel that the side selected to start isn’t the best available and the coaching isn’t up to much! :evil:

    The forwards looked decent and held their own even if they can’t keep the ball alive in the tackle or pass the way the NZ forwards can. The backs, however, were terrible! Everybody crabbed across the field, nobody straightened and we were passing these deep, predictable passes that allowed the All Blacks to rush up and tackle our guys virtually from the side!

    If the Boks keep playing like this then the fans won’t bother watching anymore. I met a guy today who stopped watching Bok games about 3 years ago and he’s a much happier man than I am. He looks forward to the weekends and isn’t gloomy and depressed on Monday morning!

  • Comment 3, posted at 19.09.16 12:23:32 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 3) : Backline suggestion for the Aussie game?

  • Comment 4, posted at 19.09.16 12:38:36 by SheldonK Reply

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  • The Boks needs Alberts grunt in the forwards, that was clear to see when he came on. Elton is one of those players who is a good provincial player, but lacks the gutspah to be an international player. Please can we all also agree that De Jong must never be allowed near a Bok jersey again? Goosen is starting to settle, so I’d leave him there. I would also drop Faf to the bench and start Hougaardt at 9 with if not Lambie then Morne at 10. I wonder how long until AC is going to call Chilliboy up to the Boks? Might even be a candidate for the captaincy?

  • Comment 5, posted at 19.09.16 12:48:11 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 4) :

    Faf, Morne, Hougaard, De Allende, Mapoe, Habana, Goosen

  • Comment 6, posted at 19.09.16 12:57:30 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 6) : Think a LOT of people wont like your 10,11,12 choices

  • Comment 7, posted at 19.09.16 13:00:35 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 7) : as long as 10 is not Elton im happy

  • Comment 8, posted at 19.09.16 13:02:26 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 8) : U just want him back for Lions CC push ;)

  • Comment 9, posted at 19.09.16 13:03:18 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 9) : :lol:

    think he will go to Japan if he is not with the Boks .

    I cant read the comments after every week …

  • Comment 10, posted at 19.09.16 13:13:26 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 10) : Does he still have the dual contract? Thought contracted Boks couldnt play in Japan?

  • Comment 11, posted at 19.09.16 13:20:05 by SheldonK Reply

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  • In my honest opinion, I don’t think there is a quick fix solution here, or that one or two changes will alter the path the boks are on currently, a new game plan takes time, although we should have just tweaked it bit by bit, and then got the provincial unions involved with it, and once the guys have a unified plan in place and all knew where we are going and taking it then we could have taken it and ran with it, for the short interim no major changes, but I think that there is a whole bunch of guys that are not really putting their hands up or taking there chances that is placed in front of them, but leadership is one major concern if we can get that sorted I think there might be some self belief coming back into the green and gold

  • Comment 12, posted at 19.09.16 13:21:06 by Henkb Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 11) : dont think he is a contracted bok . But as far as i understand , if he was not with the Boks he would be in Japan . Same with Mapoe

  • Comment 13, posted at 19.09.16 13:21:57 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 13) : Ah ok…interesting. I wonder who does have Bok contracts then…

  • Comment 14, posted at 19.09.16 13:28:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Henkb (Comment 12) : Yeah I also think our leadership is a major problem. We need guys who can lead by example, if your leaders play good, it will lift those around them.

  • Comment 15, posted at 19.09.16 13:42:42 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 15) : I think that doesnt just pertain to the captain. We need more leaders throughout the field that are willing to stand up and be counted

  • Comment 16, posted at 19.09.16 13:47:15 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 16) : Yes, I did say ‘leadership’ and ‘leaders’. Plural ;-) But yeah, if there’s a couple of guys showing how it’s done, the rest will follow.

  • Comment 17, posted at 19.09.16 14:03:42 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 17) : Agreed. Its something good Bok teams have had in the past…a good leadership group

  • Comment 18, posted at 19.09.16 14:25:24 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 18) : I might get stoned for this, but we had guys like Jean de Villiers, Johan Smit, Victor Matfield, Fourie Du Preez, Bismarck, Frans Steyn, Marcel Coetzee, Pat Lambie, just to name a few in the last couple of seasons, and and that whole core group of leaders aren’t on the field at the moment, and none of the guys playing now are showing any signs of growing that core group

  • Comment 19, posted at 19.09.16 14:45:01 by Henkb Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 14) : Think the contract players are still from the HM guard . So no Lions players .

    But Pollard has a bok contracted but he played in Japan .

  • Comment 20, posted at 19.09.16 14:52:04 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Henkb (Comment 19) : You are correct

  • Comment 21, posted at 19.09.16 14:52:34 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 20) : Your first statement is probably the most accurate state of the nation regarding Bok rugby. Nothing has changed or been implemented this year. The boks have merely fulfilled their fixture obligation without any thought, planning and execution. Surely the new national coaching staff should decide who are the contracted players they want? I guess thats too much logic…i mean the coach couldnt even pick his assistants.

  • Comment 22, posted at 19.09.16 14:55:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 22) : When you say ”i mean the coach couldnt even pick his assistants.” are you saying he was incapable of it or not allowed to do it.I beg to differ in that I am certain he picked ”who ate all the pies ”Proudfoot,and Chean ” this week i am teaching defence” Roux.Two losers who follow him around from mediocre team to mediocre team.

  • Comment 23, posted at 19.09.16 15:08:31 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 23) : Proudfoot he did ask for and got but with Van Graan there as the former forwards coach im not sure its a complimentary combination much like his team selections. I didnt know Chean Roux was involved-as what? Stick he was given same with Van Graan. Van Graan needs to go. Stick probably needs to be replaced with someone with more experience of internationals. And get a proper defense coach in.

  • Comment 24, posted at 19.09.16 15:20:53 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 24) : Chean Roux is the defence coach,and when you say someone more experienced than Stick,Earl Rose and Rickie Januarie have better credentials

  • Comment 25, posted at 19.09.16 15:26:47 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 25) : I did not know that about Chean Roux…hmm well clearly he is doing well at that role just like the others. We need a defense and attack coach that will show some innovation. Hell id rather have Matfield in there as attack coach.

  • Comment 26, posted at 19.09.16 15:28:35 by SheldonK Reply

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  • It may be hard to face but the problem starts with Coetzee’s selection. What qualifications did he present over so many options? even Rassie? PdV and HM had legends to save their bacon at times but Coetzee has been dragged into the position at the time when we need an accomplished coach to take SA rugby into the next era. Coetzee should be an understudy to such a coach. I feel for him but I morn for SA rugby more.

  • Comment 27, posted at 19.09.16 17:22:56 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 27) : who said there were so many other options were available? With the mess in SA rugby I highly doubt that there was so many other top quality coaches that stood in line for the job!

  • Comment 28, posted at 19.09.16 18:12:55 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 4) : 9. Hougaard. 10. Lambie 11. Habana 12. Frans Steyn 13. Johan Goosen 14. JPP 15. Willie le Roux.

  • Comment 29, posted at 19.09.16 18:35:56 by Bite me Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 28) : I can’t agree JD, while our current world ranking is unacceptable to every poster here, and most expect it to only get worse. This being said, the Boks are still in the top 4 (I think) and even the most cynical supporter does not expect the Boks to drop out of the top 8. We are talking about one of the top 8 coaching positions IN THE WORLD for rugby. Sure there are other pressures and limitations presented to the Bok coach over the others, but I am sure there are excellent coaches out there who would jump at the opportunity to coach the Boks. I would put money on the fact that if SARU suddenly grew a brain and went grovelling to Mitchell with a nice juicy contract, he would drop the USA and be coaching SA tomorrow.

  • Comment 30, posted at 19.09.16 18:36:13 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 28) : I was not even thinking locally. We need international experience especially after HM’s stint pointed it out

  • Comment 31, posted at 19.09.16 19:42:36 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 25) : sounds like an exageration until you think about it for less than 3 seconds and realize its absolutely true. God help us.

  • Comment 32, posted at 19.09.16 20:29:18 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 30) : well that’s your opinion but even with the Bokke world ranking and “status” I don’t think the line of willing candidates was very long mainly because of the way coaches are treated and all the other factors and political pressure that out weighing the good of the game! As for Mitch yes he’s a good coach but think he might have a serious lack when it comes to people skills so can’t see him being a huge success as a Bokke coach.

  • Comment 33, posted at 19.09.16 22:00:34 by JD Reply
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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 31) : wanting an international coach is all good and well but who will be available and willing to coach the Bokke?!

  • Comment 34, posted at 19.09.16 22:01:54 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 33) : @JD (Comment 34) : The problem is SARU limited themselves to only local candidates, hence only interest from Rassie and Toetie. I firmly believe if the position was opened up to international candidates, there would have been good international coaches lining up to coach SA. I even believe if SARU acted quickly enough, they could have had Eddie Jones before England. If SARU were ever able to open themselves up to outside candidates, things will get better, but if they continue to limit themselves only to what SA has to offer, then we are in deep trouble, unless a coaching combo of Ackermann (Head Coach) Swys deBruin, and Mitchell as special adviser (same role Eddie Jones played in 2007). I bet everyone of those men would line up for the respective Bok jobs.

  • Comment 35, posted at 20.09.16 02:13:27 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 35) : personally I would not place to much money on it as I think you might lose it!

  • Comment 36, posted at 20.09.16 08:15:54 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 34) : You are right. No propper coach would dance to the SARU fiddlers so AC has chosen his bedspread. Maybe when there is no more big bucks to be made, we’ll return to an administration who is there for the passion of rugby. That’s the main difference between NZ and the rest of the world.

  • Comment 37, posted at 20.09.16 08:30:10 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • Thought to ponder: AC is not a worse coach than PDV…not a chance. Difference between the 2 teams though is that the senior players stood up and made themselves accountable under PDV. Under AC we seem to have very fragile minded players…

  • Comment 38, posted at 20.09.16 08:37:05 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 38) : The difference is that PDV knew his limitations and took steps to rectify them,the best example calling back John Smit to manage the players and mould them into a team.
    Coetzee believes he is the rightful coach chosen on merit and that he can do the job on his own,
    He has yet to taken blame for his abysmal start and has instead transferred all the blame onto the players he himself selected,coated and managed.

  • Comment 39, posted at 20.09.16 08:51:48 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 39) : Im not saying AC has been good but he is a better coach than PDV. PDV did have a better group of players which meant his lessor coaching ability was negated by the players. AC is being exposed by his players (and yes i know he picked them). The truth is AC isnt going anywhere anytime soon…

  • Comment 40, posted at 20.09.16 08:56:49 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Bite me (Comment 29) : Yeh good backline…just dont see it being high on the possibility list unfortunately

  • Comment 41, posted at 20.09.16 09:00:32 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 37) : exactly my point!!!

  • Comment 42, posted at 20.09.16 09:17:03 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 38) : @The hound (Comment 39) : exactly!! Pdiv took over from White who had a relatively young team with strong leadership so he could carry on with most of the players. AC took over from HM who had an old team with most of the leaders retiring so he lost a lot of senior players and injuries to Pat and co also did not help him.

  • Comment 43, posted at 20.09.16 09:26:01 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 4) :

    9. Hougaard
    10. Lambie
    11. Habana
    12. Rohan Janse van Rensburg
    13. Mapoe
    14. Jamba Ulengo
    15. Frans Steyn

    21. Piet van Zyl / Jano Vermaak
    22. Johan Goosen
    23. Jessie Kriel

    We’re on a hiding to nothing and I’d like to see some new guys come in. The players on the bench cover every single position in the backline. Frans Steyn also brings a huge boot and the ability to cover every backline position except 9.

  • Comment 44, posted at 20.09.16 12:57:32 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 44) : Interesting combination. As you say we really have nothing to lose and with the european season already underway id send those guys back and only use SA based guys for these next to games. Lets see what we really have.

  • Comment 45, posted at 20.09.16 13:01:48 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 28) : @Dancing Bear (Comment 30) : I have to agree with JD.

    Nick Mallett, Brendan Venter, John Mitchell, Wayne Smith…none of them wanted the job because of the restrictions involved. Until they are removed and purely rugby decisions are made we won’t be able to attract a decent coach!

  • Comment 46, posted at 20.09.16 13:03:53 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 45) : If we’re only using local players then I’d keep my two bench scrummies, switch Kriel to starting 15 and bring up Blommetjies or bring Francois Venter onto the bench (if he’s fit). I think that I would also start Travis Ismail on the other wing as he’s looked really good for the Bulls this year.

    Reserve flyhalf is a tough one but Elton could cover there or we could call up Brummer or Rob du Preez.

  • Comment 47, posted at 20.09.16 13:06:50 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 47) : I would have liked to see Garth April used but after his treatment by AC and not making the Sharks team I think his confidence will be a bit shot.

  • Comment 48, posted at 20.09.16 13:08:05 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 48) : A lot of frontline guys based in SA are injured which doesnt help. All of Reinach,Vermaak, Lambie, Pollard, Serfontein, Venter, Gelant are all out injured really.

  • Comment 49, posted at 20.09.16 13:13:28 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @ChrisS (Comment 47) : Ishmael has been good so far, but I see he is injured, but I don’t think it will be to long before we see him in the bok camp, would have also liked to give Sergeal Peterson a run, but also out injured, think Francois Venter would run circles around DE Elendig on all basis of the game

  • Comment 50, posted at 20.09.16 13:16:03 by Henkb Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 49) : I’ll stick to my original squad then for now. New players can slowly be introduced.

  • Comment 51, posted at 20.09.16 13:18:07 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 51) : @Henkb (Comment 50) : Yeh i mean you could have a backline of 9. Reinach 10. Lambie 11. Peterson 12. Serfontein 13. Venter 14. Skosan 15. Pollard Bench: Vermaak, Gelant….but all those guys are injured.

  • Comment 52, posted at 20.09.16 13:22:07 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 52) : True, but that would be killer, and the guys are still very young, and have some time ahead of them to play, and if we can keep all of them would mean a lot for cohesion and the future

  • Comment 53, posted at 20.09.16 13:31:49 by Henkb Reply
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  • @Henkb (Comment 53) : Agreed. I think the Bok team of 2017 could have a very different look to the 2016 team.

  • Comment 54, posted at 20.09.16 13:39:19 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 54) : I believe so also, I have read that AC is already tired with some of the players and with the losses that they suffered and said that heads might roll

  • Comment 55, posted at 20.09.16 13:44:19 by Henkb Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 54) : R10 says Habbanna goes to the next WC

  • Comment 56, posted at 20.09.16 13:48:15 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 56) : If he is fit and doing well why not…

  • Comment 57, posted at 20.09.16 13:48:56 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 57) : He should have retired two cups ago,watch Saturdays test again and watch his attempted defence,he is nothing more than a intercept opportunist,playing for his own personal records.

  • Comment 58, posted at 20.09.16 14:05:13 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 58) : Habana is one of the better defensive wings in SA..there are many many wings with worse defense than him. I remember seeing him trying to shut down many 2 and even 3 on 1s on Saturday. Yes he isnt as prolific a try scorer as he used to be…but the Boks as a team arent what they used to be. Trust me there arent many better wings in SA currently. Habana isnt perfect but a lot of personnel needs to change before him

  • Comment 59, posted at 20.09.16 14:08:02 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 59) : What ever I just wish he would go,so sick of his posing,petchulance,and utter predictability

  • Comment 60, posted at 20.09.16 14:12:15 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 60) : haha nothing to do with his play during that day at Kings park in 2007? Look if there are better wings at the time then yes pick them. Although at the moment im scratching my head trying to think of any decent wings that are fit?

  • Comment 61, posted at 20.09.16 14:13:44 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 61) : Top of my head I’D play Lawazi,Combrink ,JPP,Jamba Ulengo,before him

  • Comment 62, posted at 20.09.16 14:19:32 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 62) : OK Combrink is crocked,but even Jesse Kriel,Seanata,

  • Comment 63, posted at 20.09.16 14:24:14 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 62) : Big question marks over Mvovo and JPP form of late as well. Ulengo is good on attack but nowhere on defense. Combrinck is good but injured. Next year with all fit id like to see Jesse Kriel at 15 for Bulls and Boks with Gelant on the wing for the Bulls and perhaps Boks. Skosan and Sergeal Peterson good on attack but nowhere on defense. Think Lions could move Mapoe to wing and play Van Rensburg and Mnisi at centre.

  • Comment 64, posted at 20.09.16 14:27:19 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 52) : like youre backline but i would swop bambie and handre,Pat has played 15 before for the boks(2011 wc) :
    10-Pollard
    11-Combrink
    12-Steyn
    13-Ruan jansen van rensburg
    14-kobus van wyk
    15-lambie

  • Comment 65, posted at 20.09.16 14:28:38 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 65) : Ask anyone on this site and they will tell you Lambie is a 10 not 15…have come to terms with that. I liek your backline just not Van Wyk…not a fan of his

  • Comment 66, posted at 20.09.16 14:33:28 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 65) : full 15:
    1-Ox Nche
    2-Marx
    3-Malherbe
    4-Eben
    5-De jager
    6-PSDT
    7-Jauques du plessis
    8-Duane
    9-Reinach
    10-Pollard
    11-Combrinck
    12-Frans
    13-Jansen Van rensburg
    14-Kobus van wyk
    15-lambie

  • Comment 67, posted at 20.09.16 14:35:57 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 66) : Idk whats wrong with lambie at 15 ,he has bok xp there and not pollard?,If lambie must play 10 he has to compete with pollard for 10 ,i dont think pollard is good enough under the high ball to play 15

  • Comment 68, posted at 20.09.16 14:38:27 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 67) : Interesting combo

  • Comment 69, posted at 20.09.16 14:38:36 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 68) : I like both Pollard and Lambie at 10…think 1 to start and 1 off the bench. Id like to see a Serfontein/Van Rensburg at 12. Fullback ither a Jesse Kriel or Warrick Gelant or even Ruan Combrinck. Just using local player examples

  • Comment 70, posted at 20.09.16 14:40:38 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 67) : Alll fit and firing for next WC
    Dylan Smith
    Malcom Marx
    Thoms du Toit
    PSDT
    Stephan Lewies
    Marcel Coetzee
    Warren Whitely
    Jean Luc Du Preez
    Faf
    Patrick
    Combrink
    Frans Steyn
    Jansen van Rensberg
    JPP
    Bosch

  • Comment 71, posted at 20.09.16 14:43:13 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 71) : Just look at the kicking options in that team.

  • Comment 72, posted at 20.09.16 14:44:52 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 71) : U mean fit for 2017? No way to know if will be fit and firing in 3yrs time. On paper lots of good potential but also good few question marks.

  • Comment 73, posted at 20.09.16 14:47:25 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 72) : good team there,but dont you think thomas should rather contest for loosehead with ox and dylan ?
    Like youre backline especially if i look at all those kicking options:2 left footers and 3 right footers. good pick

  • Comment 74, posted at 20.09.16 14:52:38 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 71) : and i would swop lewies and whitley with Eben and dupplesis respectively.(just my prefered choice)

  • Comment 75, posted at 20.09.16 14:56:12 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 75) : Whitely would be my captain,and Ethebeth gets found out more and more every game he plays,think the combination of Lewies and PSDT could rival Rettalick and Whitlock.

  • Comment 76, posted at 20.09.16 15:10:18 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 64) : Mnisi ???? PLEASE NOOOO !!! bring in Vorster !!

  • Comment 77, posted at 20.09.16 15:16:29 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 64) : Also , you need to check your stats on Skosan . he has really improved his defense the last year .

  • Comment 78, posted at 20.09.16 15:17:37 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 77) : If he ever gets himself fit yes.

  • Comment 79, posted at 20.09.16 15:18:44 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 78) : Improved yes but he still is weak defensively. He is good going forward but i wouldnt say he is international quality yet.

  • Comment 80, posted at 20.09.16 15:20:21 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 79) :with him out mapoe should stay at center . Would rather have skosan on the wing than minisi in center

  • Comment 81, posted at 20.09.16 15:20:53 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 80) : no , but we are talking Lions , not boks .

  • Comment 82, posted at 20.09.16 15:21:58 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 82) : Oh yeh for Lions he is definitely a first choice wing. Id play Mapoe on the other wing with Combrinck at 15. Van Rensburg and Vorster at centre. Play Cronje, Van Der Walt and Volminck off the bench

  • Comment 83, posted at 20.09.16 15:23:22 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 83) : mmm yes Combrinck use to play 15 back in the day . But dont know .. i like Combrinck at 14 .

    Boks can use the Jesse Kriel effect and play him out of position on 15

  • Comment 84, posted at 20.09.16 15:27:35 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 84) : Dont get me wrong i think Combrinck is great at 14. Just think he doesnt offer his full value playing there…perhaps if he went looking for work more i dunno. A Bok back 3 of Combrinck, Kriel and say Werner Kok could be very interesting and tough to face.

  • Comment 85, posted at 20.09.16 15:32:31 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 84) : He has a good boot can run very well and I can’t say anything bad about his defense. So he would make a good candidate. Then Goosen can play 10. Mvovo and Mapoe on wings Janse v Rensburg with de Allende on outside center. If Goosen looks off you can swop him and Combrinck.

  • Comment 86, posted at 20.09.16 15:45:16 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 85) : I feel Combrinck has a very good work rate! I haven’t watched a whole lot of WP games this season, how is Kok doing ?

    @Zibbie (Comment 84) : Combrinck is a good 14, but I also think with that boot of his he can offer more at 15, occasionally dropping in and out of the backline to add some x-factor. I can see that working. I feel we need him back soon on 14 though, our current Bok wings are pathetic to put it politely. Habana is very bad under the high ball and he shoots up on defense. Hougies , I don’t know what to say of him on the wing? He’s a solid defender and he’s actually good over the ball come ruck time, but I don’t think he adds a lot on attack anymore, mixed bag.

  • Comment 87, posted at 20.09.16 17:55:42 by Quintin Reply

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  • Any of you listen to jake white speaking on tmo

  • Comment 88, posted at 20.09.16 20:30:27 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 88) : According to Jake the springboks are giving away caps to easly and that the currie cup is completely watered down

  • Comment 89, posted at 20.09.16 20:31:46 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 89) : Think he is correct there, I rate our current bok team wont even beat montpellier

  • Comment 90, posted at 20.09.16 20:34:05 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 89) : Accurate asessment. I have said for a while now we need to have more respect for CC. It used to be the mainstay of SA rugby. Back when we still fielded a respectable and respected bok squad.

  • Comment 91, posted at 20.09.16 20:45:06 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 87) : Hougaard and his x factor. X factor being some bullshit dreamt up by a spin doctor to describe a player severely lacking in required skills who now and then through risky play have a lucky break.

  • Comment 92, posted at 20.09.16 20:48:05 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 91) : He(jake) said in a other interview that If you take the WP currie cup side from the old days with the likes of Hennie bekker,Schalk snr ect. and compare it to the current wp currie cup side ,no one from the current side wouldve made that side,our biggest problem is giving away too many caps

  • Comment 93, posted at 20.09.16 20:59:10 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 93) : Giving away too many caps is a direct result of the amount of rugby being played these days. cant compare how stable and consistent teams were in the past because they barely played for their province and national side back then. Most of their rugby was for their club sides. In todays environment the number of games players are requied to play results in injuries and players needing to be rested and rotated hence the number of caps given away increases.

  • Comment 94, posted at 21.09.16 07:51:26 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 87) : I havnt diligently watched all of Werner Koks games but he is a good rugby player with very good physical attributes. He can catch, pass, kick, run and defend. He will take a little adjustment period getting back into 15s but he could if he wants to become a big strong winger for WP and the Boks. I see Senatla has also said he wants to pursue the 15s Bok cap now that Olympics are done. Perhaps thats what we will see going forward…guys playing 15s and then switching to 7s the year before an olympics…guess will see.

    In terms of Combrinck…his work rate on the wing isnt bad, but perhaps could be higher. I just think he has so much value to offer im just not sure he is giving all of that value on the wing. Then again i still think a guy like Willie LeRoux should have stayed on the wing as he was very good there.

  • Comment 95, posted at 21.09.16 07:55:31 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 93) : That is such a naive and rubbish statement those older players he is talking about were amateurs and very much part timers,how can you compare them with todays professionals who do nothing but play rugby ,seven days a week.
    It pisses me off when a guy who should know better is given a forum to talk utter crap.
    There is no way those older players had the strength,fitness or skill of today’s players.

  • Comment 96, posted at 21.09.16 08:32:25 by The hound Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 92) : Wasn’t talking about Hougaard’s so called x-factor, in fact, I said he doesn’t offer much on attack anymore.

    @SheldonK (Comment 95) : Yeah think Werners got the right mindset to make it to higher levels. I do hope both him and Senatla makes it as 15′s players as I think they can surely add a lot of value if they are able to adapt.

  • Comment 97, posted at 21.09.16 09:48:03 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 97) : Im less convinced Senatla will make it to be honest…i think he excels in the space that 7s gives him but in 15s there isnt that space so dont think he will have that big an impact to be honest.

  • Comment 98, posted at 21.09.16 10:01:15 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 90) : yes I agree cause the real and proper Bok squad are all playing for Montpellier

  • Comment 99, posted at 21.09.16 21:51:20 by benji Reply
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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 93) : I agree with his statement regardless of supposed professionalism the current bunch of netball players are a sorry lot

  • Comment 100, posted at 21.09.16 21:55:06 by benji Reply
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