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Currie Cup knock-outs moved


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content on 21 Sep 2016 at 10:21
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The potential for a clash between a Durban Currie Cup semi-final on 7 October (unlikely as that may now seem) and the Boks’ home Rugby Championship clash against the All Blacks at the same venue a day later has prompted SA Rugby to amend the Currie Cup fixture schedule.

The semi-finals will now take place a week later than scheduled, over the weekend of 15-16 October. The final again moves out a week to 23 October.



43 Comments

  • How long between the CC final and the first End of Year test?

  • Comment 1, posted at 21.09.16 10:25:15 by SheldonK Reply
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  • Bad news for us as it that we’ll now face the full Lions side unless by some miracle AC manages to enforce the resting of his squad for the end of year tour.

  • Comment 2, posted at 21.09.16 10:39:39 by GreatSharksays Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 2) : that is if the Sharks manage to beat them next week!?

  • Comment 3, posted at 21.09.16 11:10:10 by JD Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 2) : what do you mean?

  • Comment 4, posted at 21.09.16 11:50:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 2) : Do you mean for the semi-final or final?

  • Comment 5, posted at 21.09.16 12:00:10 by StevieS Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 5) : I’m not seeing this scenario.

    If we beat the Lions they are out.

    If we lose to the Lions, but Griquas beat WP, then we end 4th and head to Bloem to play the Cheetahs. Lions will play Bulls at Loftus and MAY win that clash, but also may not. It’s not like they’ll be at full strength anyway because many of their Bok players have Japanese contracts that would prevent them playing CC in any event.

  • Comment 6, posted at 21.09.16 12:06:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 6) : I was also confused.

    I think you’ve summed it up nicely Rob.

    What news on Garth April? Will we see him in action any time soon?

  • Comment 7, posted at 21.09.16 12:09:07 by StevieS Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 7) : with Inny, Curwin, Rhyno and now Pat all in the mix and playing well, where do you put him?

  • Comment 8, posted at 21.09.16 12:28:26 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 8) : I would have thought they’d want to play him, even rotating with Inny.

    I mean he was brilliant at times for the Sharks.

  • Comment 9, posted at 21.09.16 12:32:40 by StevieS Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 9) : he had some good games, yes.

    Also had some fucking shockers, if you’ll pardon my language.

  • Comment 10, posted at 21.09.16 12:38:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 8) : Now now, see what that “small” mistake did for him, I’m sure he got huge regrets on that, as the guys that replaced him for that one game, really took their chances and he looks to get slim pickings now, just hope that he sees what happened and when his chance come around again that he makes full value of that

  • Comment 11, posted at 21.09.16 12:39:08 by Henkb Reply
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  • @Henkb (Comment 11) : We really know how to fuck up a player in SA :roll:

    People are calling for the heads of Faf and Jantjies, but Coetzee is making them play deep and statically when they’re devastating taking the ball flat. The Lions forwards gave them quick phase ball, which created all the space for them, but at the Boks by the time the ruck ball appears the defenses have aligned and it’s back to deep pass and kick or play way behind the advantage line.

    So because of idiots the most effective attacking halfback pairing in the country is probably going to get dropped.

  • Comment 12, posted at 21.09.16 12:45:22 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @Henkb (Comment 11) : I don’t think it was just that small mistake.

    Rob du Preez is not the kind of asshole that makes a player spend an entire campaign making up for one mistake.

    We have allowed the media with their “remember April was playing club rugby this time last year” sell us a fairytale version of this player that isn’t actually real. Garth April has delivered exactly two outstanding performances in a Sharks jersey and on the basis of that became an overnight sensation in everybody’s mind. He has not delivered anything even vaguely resembling a decent performance since that New Zealand tour.

  • Comment 13, posted at 21.09.16 12:45:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 13) : No that was not my intention towards Robert, I just pointed out that April is the one and only one to blame for his current situation, he was the one that made the call to be late, he had chances in SR, and he used them to the most part, but what bugs me is that he knew there were other guys standing behind him all SR season and then he went and fuck ed it up completely

  • Comment 14, posted at 21.09.16 12:54:09 by Henkb Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 12) : True, they have not been sublime at the boks, and there are other factors involved not just themselves, but I do feel that Elton is to blame for his own undoing, yes they do not have the same ball to work with as at the Lions, but his general play has slipped a bit, and he is not the only one in the bok team, there are a couple of guys that is really lagging behind there

  • Comment 15, posted at 21.09.16 13:00:22 by Henkb Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 12) : Before we blame everyone except hold De Klerk and Jantjies accountable perhaps we should ponder whether the DeKlerk and Jantjies we see at international level is exactly the same as the DeKlerk and Jantjies we see at the Lions when the Lions pack is not having their own way ? AC is very far from perfect but tough to blame him for players inaccurate passing and inability to catch and kick etc.

  • Comment 16, posted at 21.09.16 13:00:22 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 6) : Also remember CC 2011 final . Full strength team ! = win

  • Comment 17, posted at 21.09.16 13:02:52 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 16) : Agreed, my big concern is that our bok pack is getting bossed at will, and that used to be our strength, as the pack always laid a decent platform for the game, if we can sort out the forwards I think that will be a major step in the right direction

  • Comment 18, posted at 21.09.16 13:08:32 by Henkb Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 16) : Well, whose fault is the Bok backline play strategy other than the coaching staff’s? I don’t think it’s natural for the players picked to stand so deep.

    At one stage against the AB’s we got a turnover penalty in our 22 with the resulting lineout on our 10m line. We won the lineout, and after a handling error by the backline, had a scrum back in our 22 on the other side of the field. WTF?

  • Comment 19, posted at 21.09.16 13:19:03 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 17) : I’ve got no bloody clue what you’re talking about

  • Comment 20, posted at 21.09.16 13:22:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 19) : Are you privy to the team talk? Because if you are and not just using an assumption here id love to know more. Does the team talk include asking DeKlerk to pass wildly, take rash decisions and inaccurately execute them? Does the team talk ask Elton to drop the ball? Kick wildly and inaccurately? Are the individual errors made by them the coaches fault or the forwards fault or both? I can fully appreciate the Boks strategy not being the exact same as the Lions and what they used to…but cant use that as an excuse for individual errors-the same ones they make when the Lions pack isnt dominating. Perhaps its actually weakness’s in their own games that are only exposed under pressure…and well international rugby is always played under pressure. (note. these two arent the only ones under performing, just the only ones that seem to have justified excuses)

  • Comment 21, posted at 21.09.16 13:32:56 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 19) : Dont get me wrong i do fully get what you are saying about the Bok strategy not being ideal etc. I just have a feeling that because our forwards are on the back foot and inaccurate ruck ball has meant that the backline is rushed and under pressure which is probably a reason as to why they are playing deeper. The overall result is the sum of its parts and at the moment none of the parts are playing well cohesively but they are also making a lot of individual errors which any coach cant rectify once they on the field.

  • Comment 22, posted at 21.09.16 13:43:30 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 20) : im saying the Sharks rocked up with a team full of Springboks (Considered a full strength team)

    so i would think that if the Sharks and the Lions were to meet in the final and the Lions could pick all the boks (like Jantjies ect)
    , that would not make the Lions favorites over a sharks team that has played together the whole cc

    But the point is moot anyways cause the Lions wont be able to pick Japan players .

  • Comment 23, posted at 21.09.16 13:45:22 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 21) : I’m calling for courses for horses. Why pick players, who thrive on playing flat, quick ball rugby when you’re going to coach a slow, deep game plan? Then rather have a backline of Pienaar, Steyn, De Allende, Kriel, Habana, JPP and Steyn.

    It doesn’t help the confidence of any player to expect them to play in a way that doesn’t suit them AT ALL. Errors will be a foregone conclusion.

  • Comment 24, posted at 21.09.16 14:01:29 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 24) : What we have heard from AC is that he would like more attacking rugby but has said that the Boks need to know when to exercise that and when to play territory. Its all well and good for the coach to call for quick ball and flat attack but if the forwards arent able to produce that then what? Should Faf and Elton then just walk off and say this is not for us? Surely as an international you need to be able to deal with the situation on the field and that it could be different to the pretty picture painted in the team talk. International players need to adapt to the situation and produce…if they cant well then i have serious doubt about whether they should be internationals. But irrespective of the game plan…individual errors will disrupt even the best game plan and its those individual errors we are seeing.

  • Comment 25, posted at 21.09.16 14:17:46 by SheldonK Reply

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  • There is far too much emphasis being put on the Boks gameplan and strategy i feel. Yes it may not be perfect i can appreciate that but the amount of individual errors we are seeing from the Boks doesnt help whatever game plan is selected. I know a lot of people think the game plan should be forward dominance with quick ball and all out attack and offloads etc and thats great…but just because thats the game plan selected doesnt mean it will automatically happen on the field. The forwards may not dominate which means slow messy ball…the backline may get faced with a good rush defense putting them under pressure. International players need to keep the gameplan in mind but they have to play what they are faced with and still execute accurately and find a way to win. Just seems we often blame the gameplan when we lose but ignore the numerous individual errors and bad decisions.

  • Comment 26, posted at 21.09.16 14:25:19 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 23) : sorry, still have no clue what you mean. Was there even a Currie Cup that year? I don’t remember it….

  • Comment 27, posted at 21.09.16 14:53:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 27) : Rob in my view our flyhalf players according performance this year and who is consistently putting in good performances is Lambie no 1 ( Yes i know he has been injured long) and then Bosch.

    Both April and Inny have been for more inconsistent, this is why i worry about 10 for next year, one big injury and were in groot kak

  • Comment 28, posted at 21.09.16 15:11:44 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • I see Lambie included with the Boks squad. He is contracted so guess no real surprise. Although i see Adriaanse isnt in the squad so hopefully that makes him available for Sharks?

  • Comment 29, posted at 21.09.16 15:33:52 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 29) : yeah – will get that news up in a bit.

  • Comment 30, posted at 21.09.16 15:34:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 30) : And wait for the Lions outcry because of that 1 omission…

  • Comment 31, posted at 21.09.16 15:36:12 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 31) : who, the centre who can’t tackle?

    We have enough of those already

  • Comment 32, posted at 21.09.16 15:39:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 32) : Careful Rob…u may get lynched

  • Comment 33, posted at 21.09.16 15:40:17 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 33) : nah, any Lions fans get ornery I tell them to check the URL. :)

  • Comment 34, posted at 21.09.16 15:42:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 34) : :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 35, posted at 21.09.16 15:43:27 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 34) : :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 36, posted at 21.09.16 15:46:06 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 12) : The problem is that at international level you will struggle to get absolute forward dominance against the top teams. If your 9 and 10 can only shine if the pack can create the space and momentum for them, then they should not play at this level.

    The All Blacks create momentum by keeping the ball alive as much as possible, e.g. off-loads, excellent support running, running at gaps and accurate passing and catching by all 23 players in the squad. However they can also put pressure on you by pin-point tactical kicking and chasing, or simply grinding out a few phases if needed. You will often see the AB’s kick a lot in a match, to suddenly switch to an all running game.

    The Lions came the closest of all SA teams to the ball-alive game, but even they came short when faced with the rampant Canes. That is really when your 9 and 10 need to maintain composure under severe pressure, and mix up the game through good tactical kicking. Faf and Elton seem to get really frantic under pressure, and then they start making silly mistakes.

  • Comment 37, posted at 21.09.16 17:09:31 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 34) : @SheldonK (Comment 35) : @sharks_lover (Comment 36) : yes the Lions and Cheetahs fans are getting way to windgat on this Sharks site!!! ;-)

  • Comment 38, posted at 21.09.16 21:53:26 by JD Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 5) : my bad guys. Thought our last game before the knock out stage was moved.

  • Comment 39, posted at 21.09.16 22:13:15 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 12) : Yeah, I think it is no coincidence that we are seeing the same Jantjies now as we saw under AC at the Stormers…there’s a common denominator there…

  • Comment 40, posted at 21.09.16 22:43:10 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 40) : very true! Jantjies struggle to get back to form after that time and has just hit form again only to be coached by AC again. Wonder how long it will take him to recover?!

  • Comment 41, posted at 22.09.16 15:25:28 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 41) : To be fair to AC his time at the Stormers also coincided with the death of his dad…thats got to affect a player.

  • Comment 42, posted at 22.09.16 15:32:14 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 42) : yes for sure it does affect any person!

  • Comment 43, posted at 22.09.16 16:25:28 by JD Reply
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