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Sharks fall short against Lions


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Lions, Original Content, Sharks on 3 Oct 2016 at 09:52
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The Sharks suffered a heart-breaking 28-16 defeat against the Lions in Johannesburg on Friday evening, one that saw the team crash out of the Currie Cup top 4 and consigned them to a second successive year of no play-off action in the premier domestic competition.

Needing at least four points from the encounter, Robert du Preez’s men started brightly, with the scrums in particular proving an unexpectedly good platform for them. Lourens Adriaanse, who came badly unstuck against Lions loosehead Dylan Smith during the corresponding Super Rugby fixture, turned the tables on the KES youngster in fine fashion on Friday, with the Sharks’ only try in the game coming after a dominant scrum on their opponents 5 metre line. Michael Claassens was the man who scored that, after a fine scoop off the deck from Keegan Daniel.

Curwin Bosch succeeded with two penalties in the half to hand his team a rather unexpected 10-nil lead at the break. The Sharks had gained that lead the old-fashioned way, through uncompromising defence and attacking the tackle point hard, kryptonite to the Lions’ famed fast attacking game.

Bosch stroked another to extend the lead shortly after half time, but the Lions found their attacking rhythm in the second period and as the Sharks started to feel the effects of the altitude (and all of those tackles they were making), the gaps started to open up. Three cracking tries went the way of the hosts in the half, with the Sharks hardly helping their own cause by committing two tackles offences that resulted in yellow cards. Ultimately, there was little to celebrate in a half where the only point came via Bosch’s boot and an effective scoreline of 28-6 in that period underlined the Lions’ clear supremacy.

The Lions claimed fourth place on the tournament log and will face the Cheetahs in Bloemfontein in a fortnight. For the Sharks, it’s back to Durban to turn their attention to next year’s Super Rugby competition.

Lions (28): Tries Kwagga Smith, Howard Mnisi, Sylvian Mahuza. Conversions Jako van der Walt, Andries Coetzee. Penalties van der Walt, Coetzee (2).
Sharks (16): Try Michael Claassens. Conversion Curwin Bosch. Penalties Bosch (3)



108 Comments

  • After the fixture list got shuffled because of Durban clashes… We did not even qualify. Laughable. Shocking 2 seasons in a row. Hardly any bok players. So what is The Sharks union going to do… I’m a Sharks fan for over 30 years… But nothing excites me about my beloved team… Except maybe that I can watch Tony Watson score a great try against the bulls on replay. Damn.. My vhs machine no longer works… Now what?

  • Comment 1, posted at 03.10.16 10:13:18 by ebenp Reply
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  • @ebenp (Comment 1) : nothing excites you? Jeez bud, then maybe you should go and do something else with your time. This is meant to be a hobby,

    Let me tell you what excites me. Inny Radebe excites me. Lukhanyo Am excites me. Neil Maritz excites me. Rhyno Smith excites me. Curwin Bosch excites me. Those five guys alone are enough to make me turn on my TV next year, just to see how much better they can get.

  • Comment 2, posted at 03.10.16 10:22:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • I feel for the boys. It is a growing team and more deserving of a playoff spot than WP. I hope they can grow and stay together for next year at least.

  • Comment 3, posted at 03.10.16 10:28:35 by bokbok Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : Anyway.. I like winning

  • Comment 4, posted at 03.10.16 10:28:42 by ebenp Reply

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  • @ebenp (Comment 1) : Time to start learning baseball or somethin?

  • Comment 5, posted at 03.10.16 10:31:31 by R Hayward Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : Sorry to say but the youngsters aint gonna cut it in SR next year… so now what?

  • Comment 6, posted at 03.10.16 10:32:23 by R Hayward Reply

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  • @R Hayward (Comment 6) : you tell me?

    Seriously, bud. Easy to moan, but come up with a credible plan? Start by defining what your goals are. Then tell me how to achieve them.

    Because it is just so damn easy to just bitch and bitch and bitch ALL THE DAMN TIME, but unless you can actually back it up with a solid alternative, then it’s just noise.

  • Comment 7, posted at 03.10.16 10:36:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • Hard luck boys,we are getting there,thought RdP should’ve put Garth on a bit earlier?
    Next year we will be better!I really enjoyed Maritz when he came on,looking for work all the time,the 2 yellow cards was stupid and unnecessary that really puts a damp on things,playing 20min with 14 men,together with all that tackling took too much out of the guys.Looking forward to the Super season though,hopefully RdP stays in charge!

  • Comment 8, posted at 03.10.16 10:37:55 by BarendL Reply
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  • @ebenp (Comment 4) : Then support whichever team is winning.

  • Comment 9, posted at 03.10.16 10:38:06 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 7) : Hey i’m on your side rob! But i just want to see STABILITY at the tank…

  • Comment 10, posted at 03.10.16 10:38:56 by R Hayward Reply

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  • It took the lions a couple of years, but they stuck to mostly the same formula… When are things gonna settle like it used to be at the tank!?

  • Comment 11, posted at 03.10.16 10:40:47 by R Hayward Reply

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  • @R Hayward (Comment 10) : ja ok, but what is stability then? Keeping the same coaching team in place for more than one campaign at a time? Backing the same players to grow and develop into a formidable unit?

    Because I read your comment and all I hear is “these ouens are kak, time to buy a new team and get another new coach ahead of Super Rugby”.

    Maybe we need to accept that we’re not going to win Super Rugby next year and rather use it as an opportunity to MAKE these guys good enough to compete at that level. It isn’t going to happen overnight.

    Oh – and there isn’t money to buy any players, so this is really our only option.

  • Comment 12, posted at 03.10.16 10:41:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : May be how much shitter they can get,but as I said earlier if you are happy that our Super rugby team couldn’t beat the Lions second team ,bully for you.
    When do you think this team will be ready for Superrugby next year,2018/19 or 2020,please tell me so I can budget for my season tickets,I am not renewing for next year as the whole season ticket thing is farcical,
    I only renewed this year because of the ABs test,but am not going to shell out the R7K to watch that flyweight backline find themselves,they should be doing that in the juniors.
    Super rugby should be played by Super rugby players and if you don’t have any buy some.

  • Comment 13, posted at 03.10.16 10:42:43 by The hound Reply
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  • 17 SR teams are not going to win the trophy next year. And not for a lack of trying.

  • Comment 14, posted at 03.10.16 10:43:02 by gregkaos Reply
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  • Super rugby should revert to Super 12 to save it,with each of the home countries playing for the right to be there,our qualifier would be the Currie Cup with the top 4 teams going thru,and guess what we didn’t make it.

  • Comment 15, posted at 03.10.16 10:46:23 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 13) : I have an idea -why don’t you stop blaming other people for the decisions you make in your own life? Fuck sake’s, man, if you don’t want to buy a season ticket, then don’t, but please stop going on about it.

    I personally give zero fucks whether you buy a season ticket or not. Figure out your own list of priorities and execute on them, but leave the rest of us out of it.

  • Comment 16, posted at 03.10.16 10:47:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • I thought the Sharks looked in control in that 1st half, but we needed to change some plans in the 2nd and that is where I thought we lost this match. Towards the end of the match the Lions forwards just stood near to the breakdown and waited for our guys to pick and go, then it was make a tackle and the other defenders were in there for the steal, it happened to many times and we should have made a change to tactics.

    I am concerned about the coming Super Rugby season but by no means do I think we are going backwards. We now need to keep this team intact. Ensure Lambie is there for the full season. Andre needs to be a leader in the squad, ensure he knows his role. No free rides given, if you are not performing you get dropped or benched and someone else is given a chance (feel April was not given enough of a chance and Inny to much this campaign but what is done is done). Lewies is another that is hell of an important to our leadership group. Seems for all the complaining we’ve done, Reinarch isn’t the terrible scrummy many think he is, we need him back. The Twins will get better, they will get stronger and when both are on the field they look 100% better than when just 1 is. Super Rugby isn’t going to be a pick nick but if we back RdP and the guys in the squad we will see development and from there we can go on to greater things. Rome wasn’t built in a day, the Lions weren’t a threat over night and The Sharks aren’t going to be the 90′s dream team again tomorrow. Live with it. Reason about the negatives. Back the positives. The guys must go away and come back ready to work hard and develop every aspect of themselves, fitness, skills, strength, speed, vision. A squad that wants to play for each other.

  • Comment 17, posted at 03.10.16 10:53:12 by Hulk Reply

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  • @ebenp (Comment 1) : have the game rerecorded to DVD and then send me a copy ;-)

  • Comment 18, posted at 03.10.16 10:54:29 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 12) : all i’m asking for is to keep the ouens and staff together for at least 2-3 years? The results will come…
    But these days we seem to start from scratch every dam season!? Incidentally who is the coaching team for SR next year?

  • Comment 19, posted at 03.10.16 10:55:55 by R Hayward Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 16) : Shit you are an opinionated little man,sitting the U.K. and telling us all how to support a team most of us were loyal to before you could talk,
    We live in Durban this is our team,we have supported it for years,we have kept this team alive ,we buy the season tickets year after year,
    We have a right to an opinion..
    The reason the team is in shit,which it is,how ever you try to sweeten it,is because of that attitude.
    The people running this team have your exactly your attitude they”personally give zero fucks whether you buy a season ticket or not”

  • Comment 20, posted at 03.10.16 10:58:44 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 15) : I have been asking that for YEARS!!! Totally agree with you!

  • Comment 21, posted at 03.10.16 11:01:44 by R Hayward Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 16) : @R Hayward (Comment 19) : @The hound (Comment 20) : calm down boys! We all love the Sharks and are hurting because of the loss and missing playoffs again!
    All of us want the Sharks to win although our opinions differ as to how it will be achieved.
    Sharks now need all of our support from Durbs (like Hound), Middle Earth (line me), UK (like Rob) or where ever you find yourself!!!

  • Comment 22, posted at 03.10.16 11:05:10 by JD Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 20) : glad the true colours are now coming out.

  • Comment 23, posted at 03.10.16 11:05:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 7) : back the players . build a team . keep the core team together for a few season . you will start winning again . Rome was not built in a day ..

  • Comment 24, posted at 03.10.16 11:09:39 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 22) : Man you are literally like the Lambie of this site, cool and calm when everyone’s in a panic, I like it ;-) I get everyone’s frustration though, not much else we can do but discuss the good and the bad, and at the moment, there’s more bad to discuss than good, that’s just how supporting a team goes sometimes, you get your up’s and down’s, but you will support never the less.

  • Comment 25, posted at 03.10.16 11:14:00 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 24) : Yeah I guess us Sharks supporters has become accustomed to always being right up there with the best the last couple of years and now that were in a bit of a dip and we don’t have the patience to ride it out.

  • Comment 26, posted at 03.10.16 11:19:13 by Quintin Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 23) : Yours or mine?

  • Comment 27, posted at 03.10.16 11:19:23 by The hound Reply
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  • UK weather making people GRUMPY again.

  • Comment 28, posted at 03.10.16 11:26:03 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Quintin (Comment 25) : my friend I was also young and passionate and would say and post the first thing that’s in my head. In recent times (although I’m still passionate) I’ve learned to keep those feelings in and think and bit before posting.
    A word spoken in anger is often regretted afterwards but can not be unspoken!

  • Comment 29, posted at 03.10.16 11:32:39 by JD Reply
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  • I feel gutted that we’ve missed out on the semis, but hopeful for next year. I’m glad Rob backed the young guys and gave them a run, Inny needed to play CC this year so that we have solid backup with a bit of experience for SR next year. We might be a prop or two light in the squad, so I’m hoping they have the scouts out to see who we get. Am did really well at centre, so he should be the starter with esterhuizen next year. Most of the other positions is looking pretty ok depth wise.

    It does suck that we’ve missed out again, but at least we missed out with a damn young side. They showed some great touches during the campain and some brain farts as well. The support for the one off running was lacking on Saturday and it seemed we ran out of gas, so hoping the okes come back fitter next year and the brains trust figure out the supporting runners and defence.

    Not a great year at the sharks but not horrid as well. We made the SR knockouts and blooded some exciting youngsters. We’ve (hopefully) sorted out the management issues with Teich at the helm and the coaching box should definitely not be changed, maybe just supplemented with a specialist or two.

  • Comment 30, posted at 03.10.16 11:48:06 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • Rob, second stage of grief is anger….. Some were already in denial before Saturday’s game…..

  • Comment 31, posted at 03.10.16 11:55:32 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

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  • On a positive note, at least everyone on here is a staunch supporter of not only the Sharks, but rugby in general. My take on it is this, the Sharks youngsters should have played u21 and been given a chance to win the CC U21 comp, the unthinkable has happened and not one team qualified for the knock outs. I get blooding young talent, but the Lions have been smarter in this department. Some of their best youngsters were all kept back for the u21 campaign last year, including C Brink, R Ackermann, B De Wee, D Smith, R Janse Van Rensburg and Marx on the wing – now a young sharks u21 side beat that Lions u21 side, with all those guys playing! As I said, build a solid foundation with the juniors, winning the u21 CC would have been massive and would have brought through massive confidence going into the SR Pre Season. Instead, we now have players who are seriously lacking in confidence. I have to agree with the Hound here, we lost to a Lions side who have all their best players in the Boks and they too have an extremely young side. Rob, you asked for a solution, my solution is this, build from the bottom up – if you have a few super star youngsters, let them play and win a junior comp, get their confidence roaring knowing they can beat anyone in the country. This will lead to a young, confident group coming through the senior ranks. Both Inno and Bosch should have been playing u21 rugga, no doubt in my mind. I would even have gone further and played JL and Thomas, crushed the u21 comp and then got them ready for Super Rugby via the pre season. JL was outplayed on Friday by Cyle and these kind of situations can have negative effects on a player. Bosch looked scared to attempt to run, when he did, he hardly moved, got caught and was robbed of possession, again, this is bad for a players moral. Inno was bashed into by R Janse Van Rensburg and was clearly hurt( early in the game) It all starts with the youngsters, concentrate on that and the rest will fall into place.

  • Comment 32, posted at 03.10.16 12:06:20 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • Jeez guys, this is still a very young team, another season of SR and we will start to come right. I am however not convinced with Inny, he is great with ball in hand but seriously lacks some physical presence and I also think Franco Maris is not quiet going to fill the hooker shoes particularly well

  • Comment 33, posted at 03.10.16 12:08:15 by Tintin Reply

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  • @JustPlainSHARK (Comment 31) : @robdylan (Comment 23) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_Z3lmidmrY

  • Comment 34, posted at 03.10.16 12:12:53 by Tintin Reply

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  • Most of these Currie Cup teams are young:

    Average age of Sharks starting team against the Lions = 25.08
    Average age of Lions starters = 24,36
    Average age of Cheetahs that klapped us at Kingspark = 25.66

  • Comment 35, posted at 03.10.16 12:34:17 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Tintin (Comment 33) : Chilli had some poor lineout throws but he controlled his half a lot better than Franco. So I would stick with him as starting hooker. Kleinhans still making some amateur mistakes but getting way better. Our backline defense second half is probably my biggest concern that and our predictability. Lions taped that fringe play of ours beautifully and had a good time response. If we could keep up the defensive pace we would have had their number.

  • Comment 36, posted at 03.10.16 13:26:14 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 36) : Yeah I agree with that. Would like to see us decide on a style and and stay with it until it comes off, we started this year saying we want to run the ball and then for the Lions game there was talk of a pragmatic approach. I dont think are necessary a better group of players, they just play a better game that we cant handle with too much speed and credit to them

  • Comment 37, posted at 03.10.16 14:05:09 by Tintin Reply

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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 32) : must agree with you on letting guys like Inny and Bosch playing age group rugby. However it will only work if your age group structures are strong and winning. Having them play in a losing under 21 side will not do a lot to build their confidence.

  • Comment 38, posted at 03.10.16 14:52:22 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 38) : So your logic is , that having them slaughtered at Super rugby level,will build their confidence

  • Comment 39, posted at 03.10.16 14:57:36 by The hound Reply
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  • I have no problem with under21′s playing Super Rugby if they are ready,Thomas,The Twins ,Jaques du Plessis, Dylan Smith,Malcolm Marx ,PSDT,were ready to do the mens work,at under 21 level.
    Radebe,Bosch,and Am are not .I take offence with the school of thought that says we should allow them to use the Super Season to grow.
    That is not a safe place to do that,and nobody who is physically immature to play Super rugby should be on the field.

  • Comment 40, posted at 03.10.16 15:07:23 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 40) : Am is 23 and if you think he’s not physically ready for anything then I’m afraid you’re an idiot.

  • Comment 41, posted at 03.10.16 15:17:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 41) :So I take it you think the other two are then.Just checking you understand as I am mentally challenge,and when I watch the game live I get incredibly confused because I think see Radebe defending on the rightwing .
    So who is that then,and why has the flyhallf got a 7 on his back.

  • Comment 42, posted at 03.10.16 15:32:02 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 39) : Where did I even mention Super rugby?!?!?! Please read my comment again. I was agreeing on rather letting them play age group rugby but having them play in a losing under 21 side will do the same for their confidence than playing in a losing Currie cup side!!! Once again nothing about them playing Super rugby!!!

  • Comment 43, posted at 03.10.16 15:53:03 by JD Reply
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  • I long for these days: http://youtu.be/d7hOVU4wkAM

  • Comment 44, posted at 03.10.16 15:54:40 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 40) : @robdylan (Comment 41) : must agree with Rob I’m sure Am will be ready, Bosch maybe but sorry to say I have to agree with Hound I don’t think Inny will be physically ready forSuper rugby 2017.

  • Comment 45, posted at 03.10.16 15:56:56 by JD Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 42) : @robdylan (Comment 41) : Jeez okes, take it easy! Rob, the Hound has a point here – I have seen the Sharks Seniors play twice and they put Inno and Bosch at the front of the lineout or on the wing – this is to protect them. Now, I say this to you, you simply cannot protect any player on the field – if the coach has that mentality, then the players are not ready, full stop! They must go and play junior rugby and allow themselves to develop physically. Rob Du Preez noticed this when the Sharks played Province – the Sharks were using Bosch at hooker on the WP throw in and at wing on the scrums, Rob summed it up nicely and put in a clever cross kick onto Bosch who was beaten in the air by EW Viljoen. I am going to tell you this for the last time, Bosch is a very talented player, but he will get fucked up in Super Rugby! He is not prepared to take the ball up the line, he kicks constantly. He is a fantastic goal kicker, but adds nothing on attack and if you run at his channel, it is tickets. Unless the Sharks feed him steroids and get him tougher, he could turn into a big liability come Super Rugby. And I am saying this with all due respect to the player, I rate him, I think he could be great, but he is far from great at that superior senior level. The Lions full back was top class, always attacking, Bosch is too scared to attack!

  • Comment 46, posted at 03.10.16 15:58:30 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @JD (Comment 43) : They would have made the u21s far stronger – the u21 side were down to their 5th choice flyhalf at one point, this stuffs a team up badly!

  • Comment 47, posted at 03.10.16 15:59:45 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 44) : Thank you so much for that, forget the fat fxxx Ollie le Roux, remember Lem,Pieter Muller,Justin Swart and hell yes that fat fxxx could run,imagine that backline against the one we put out on Friday night.

  • Comment 48, posted at 03.10.16 16:04:11 by The hound Reply
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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 47) : think the loss of some forwards was a bigger problem and effected the performance more than Inny and Bosch could add.

  • Comment 49, posted at 03.10.16 16:21:32 by JD Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 44) : Watching Teich run there with the ball in two hands,looks so much like Whitely,

  • Comment 50, posted at 03.10.16 16:22:17 by The hound Reply
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  • @Tintin (Comment 34) : Lol, good one

  • Comment 51, posted at 03.10.16 16:28:30 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 44) : @The hound (Comment 48) : thanx ja some great players and great memories!!! And Hound it was Brosnihan in the no 8 jersey not Teich.

  • Comment 52, posted at 03.10.16 16:35:47 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 22) : Eish!! A kingdom divided! Seems the Sharks fans are having a domestic!
    Wasn’t a good season, and unless the gaps can be shored up (in terms of depth), I don’t think the Sharks will be serious S18 contenders.
    Ditto the Cheetahs! Positives for me is the return to a more enterprising style of play.
    As for the Cheetahs, I still want to see if they can defend like this in Super Rugby, and still score tries.

  • Comment 53, posted at 03.10.16 19:35:44 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • On the one hand I was disappointed by how we faded away in the second half and how poor our decision taking was. On the other hand, I see potential. In my view, here is what we need going forward:
    1. Stability – after way too many tumultuous seasons we need stability from top to bottom, particularly in the core group of management and players. Even buying guys in is limited if the is no stability at the Union. Part of this is also stability in the board room, office and finances.
    2. Patience – I think we all need a bit of that.
    3. Head doctor – I have said this for a few seasons now and I’ll say it again: I really believe we could do with somebody who works on the mental preparation of players…and I don’t only mean getting them positive, but actually working on helping them with decision taking, staying calm, keeping focus and concentration.
    4. Atmosphere – somehow we need to rebuild what the Union, the Stadium, the Team, the Supporters had in positive, upbuilding atmosphere. The Union Leadership is vital in promoting that, but we all have our role to play.
    I am putting this season to bed and looking forward to seeing how everyone at the Union responds to the challenges in the year ahead…

  • Comment 54, posted at 03.10.16 21:08:28 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 53) : ja can’t see a lot of players being added so unless the Sharks have about zero injuries it could be a very Currie cup like performance (good start but once injuries happened it all fell apart)!
    Cheetahs might find what they could expect in Super rugby if Lions are allowed to use their Bokke players in semi’s! OH and no need to thank the Sharks for the gift of moving semi’s and final so that teams could possibly get their Bokke players back ;-)

  • Comment 55, posted at 03.10.16 23:26:51 by JD Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 54) : must say I’m in agreement with you especially about the sport phycologists!!! Ja sad ending to a promising year but it’s done and nothing we, the players, coaches, management, etc do and say will change anything.
    We must just believe and hope that all involved have seen and learned from it and will be better for it come 2017!!!

  • Comment 56, posted at 03.10.16 23:33:27 by JD Reply
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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 46) : feeding him roids .. lol …agree though even Warren whitley has more physicality than bosch ,if whitley has more power and strenth than you then you know you have to bulk up

  • Comment 57, posted at 04.10.16 08:45:03 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 57) : the one is a 29-year-old test loose forward. The other is a 19-year-old fullback.

    I’m going to assume you’re trying to be ironic here…. :mrgreen: :roll:

  • Comment 58, posted at 04.10.16 09:18:02 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 58) : hehe…..lol

  • Comment 59, posted at 04.10.16 09:27:05 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • seriously, though, guys…. I have to ask.

    What kind of message are we sending here if our only advice to a phenomenally talented 19 year old like Curwin Bosch is “go take some roids to get bigger”?

    Seriously, how fucked up is that?

  • Comment 60, posted at 04.10.16 09:28:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 60) : Lance Armstrong did it and he almost got away with it :mrgreen: :lol: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 61, posted at 04.10.16 09:34:05 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 58) : On a more serious note…do you know when Duane will be back from injury …its about time he gets his jersey back…. I must say Warren did a good job in keeping Duanes jersey warm for him. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 62, posted at 04.10.16 09:38:28 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • Whitley fans triggered * :grin:

  • Comment 63, posted at 04.10.16 09:39:38 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 62) : He was already playing for Toulon this past weekend.

  • Comment 64, posted at 04.10.16 09:40:00 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 64) : oh ja shit apparently they beat Jakes Montpellier by quite a margin…Wonder If that’s because he’s leaving next year?

  • Comment 65, posted at 04.10.16 10:07:33 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • Hmmm…i asked before the game against the Lions if a loss and not making the semi final would deem this season a failure…i guess judging by the majority of the comments it is viewed as a failure. Interestingly people seem a lot more accommodating of Rob DuPreez’s ‘failure’ than that of Golds the year before…rightly or wrongly…it is just interesting. Fact is these are the players the Sharks have going forward…there isnt going to be a new team arriving for 2017. So best these guys shape up quick or Sharks fans will do what SA fans are very good at…

  • Comment 66, posted at 04.10.16 10:17:36 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 66) : Super rugby side next year?
    1-Thomas
    2-Franco
    3-Adriaans
    4-Slewies
    5-Ettas
    6-Dan du preez
    7-JLDP
    8-Ninja
    9-claasens
    10-Bambie
    11-Myoyo
    12-AE
    13-Am
    14-Sithole
    15-April

  • Comment 67, posted at 04.10.16 10:25:34 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 66) : I think you just summed up my article :)

  • Comment 68, posted at 04.10.16 10:37:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 67) : Yeh pretty much except i think Beast will start at loosehead, Bosch could start at 15 and Ndungane on the wing but yeh thats pretty close to it.

  • Comment 69, posted at 04.10.16 10:39:25 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 68) : Im good at book reviews ;)

  • Comment 70, posted at 04.10.16 10:40:41 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 69) : Chilli at 2

  • Comment 71, posted at 04.10.16 10:41:07 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 71) : I would say so too, but it seriously worries me that Chili could not find either of his jumpers even once at Ellis Park.

  • Comment 72, posted at 04.10.16 10:42:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 60) : A bloody shocking one. He has to work on his defence, but he doesn’t need to bulk up a lot to do that. Ben Smith and damian mcenzie certainly aren’t that big but they have damn good defensive techniques. Time to get over the bloody size obsession people.

  • Comment 73, posted at 04.10.16 10:43:07 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • @Dragnipur (Comment 73) : Any body on here old enough to remember one Mannetjies Roux

  • Comment 74, posted at 04.10.16 10:45:23 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 71) : Yeh probably

  • Comment 75, posted at 04.10.16 10:54:56 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 60) : I can sorta see why there is a perception the Curwin is lacking on defense when looking at his size. I’ve seen some pretty darn good tackles from him not to mention a beast of a try saving tackle. I have a zero issues with a 19 yr old who made 24 tackles, missed 5, and showed commitment like he has. He’s got a ton to learn and improve but thats a good thing.
    Also got faith in the trainers at the shark tank who will ensure he grows into and maintains his personal ideal weight.

  • Comment 76, posted at 04.10.16 11:17:42 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 66) : I think it has sunk in that this is the Super Rugby team. That is why my expectations for next year is pretty low.

    Unfortunately the Sharks (and especially the back line) have been hit badly by the loss of experienced (but not over the hill) players like Bismarck and Jannie (last year), and then Jordaan, JPP and Willie this year. So it will take time for the younger ones to gel and get up to this level. Hopefully we will not loose many more experienced players in their prime.

  • Comment 77, posted at 04.10.16 11:38:05 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 55) : Well if the Cheetahs want to be the best CC side this year, they must be able to beat all opponents. Think the Cheetahs are confident, and able to down a full strength Lions team. That said, not sure if the Lions get back much anyway.

  • Comment 78, posted at 04.10.16 11:48:05 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 77) : I think we are passed using those excuses,every team loses players every year,but most teams have a replacement/recruitment policy in place.Replace what you are about to lose.
    Our team came short this year with a few terrible buys,Potgieter who lay in rehab for 6 months and then didn’t pull on a Sharks jersey,Connie who I can’t honestly ever remember in a Sharks jersey,these were meant to be replacements for Jannie and Willem Alberts.Chilli who was only legally allowed the field for a couple of games replaced Bismarck. Willie le Roux who never really shone and was extremely work shy when it came to the Sharks replaced Frans Steyn.Four top players replaced by 4 lemons.
    JPP relaxed so much that he was walking advert for Durban weed,Pat spent the majority of the season injured,and we had let all his understudies go.
    Thats 6 positions that didn’t pan out,and suddenly we were plugging holes with players from the under 21 team,who were patently not ready for the step up
    The horrible truth is that there is absolutely no back up in place for these underachievers.

  • Comment 79, posted at 04.10.16 11:59:48 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 79) : Nevermind the backup for the players leaving…there is no backup for those youngsters we only have now. Sharks supporters are going to need a lot of patience going forward…well either that or jump ship to the team in fashion

  • Comment 80, posted at 04.10.16 12:09:37 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 79) : Look – JPP and Willie were not close to their best this year, but I still think we will miss them dearly.

  • Comment 81, posted at 04.10.16 12:19:33 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 67) : @SheldonK (Comment 69) : not a bad team now how to keep them fit and injury free for all the games!?!?!?!

  • Comment 82, posted at 04.10.16 13:06:47 by JD Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 77) : @The hound (Comment 79) : @SheldonK (Comment 80) : Sharks lost a lot of experienced players after Super rugby. Going to be difficult to get the youngsters up to speed so let’s hope Sharks can do a “Lions” and keep the youngsters from leaving so that they can grow as a team!

  • Comment 83, posted at 04.10.16 13:11:02 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 82) : Not a bad team, but they havnt really produced this CC…so not sure what its going to take for them to get good results during Super rugby. Handling, defense and discipline will have to be a lot better for a start.

  • Comment 84, posted at 04.10.16 14:05:05 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 79) :

    I can’t recall the Sharks in a similar situation in the days of van Zyl and Strauli and Plumtree.

    That particular house cleaning turned out have been a pretty big disaster.

  • Comment 85, posted at 04.10.16 14:26:52 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 84) : adding players like Pat and Dan will change the team but what happened is the wheels came of when injuries hit the team. Problem is who will replace them when/if they get injured?!

  • Comment 86, posted at 04.10.16 14:43:02 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 60) : Come now Rob, you are taking things far too seriously now – it was a blady joke for goodness sake. You seem to have a love affair with Bosch, which I just can’t fathom. Great goal kicker, tell me what other magic he has produced? and please do not tell me the pick up and run he had against the kings, or when Ninja put him in space on the outside against the Bulls. He kicks non stop, does not join the line, does not counter attack and the list goes on. You were one of those who said his age did not matter, so let us not talk about being 19, let us talk about if he is good enough for Super Rugby, not how old he is. Give him a year in the u21s and if he threatens to leave, then fuck him, let another union take him – sometimes there are stories behind the stories and these okes are little brats

  • Comment 87, posted at 04.10.16 15:50:53 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 67) : Not bad, but not a winning Super Rugby side – bench?

  • Comment 88, posted at 04.10.16 15:53:16 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @The hound (Comment 74) : Most devastating tackler the country has ever produced!! Not old enough, but have studied his highlightes :grin:

  • Comment 89, posted at 04.10.16 15:54:24 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @Vonno13 (Comment 87) : he needs to find his feet in senior rugby. He was good at the under 20 world champs and is for sure a talent for the future.

  • Comment 90, posted at 04.10.16 16:34:53 by JD Reply
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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 89) : My point was how small and light he was,and how hard he tackled,defence has nothing to do with size,the only thing that needs to be big is the heart.
    Jonah Lomu was a shite defender,despite his monstrous size.

  • Comment 91, posted at 04.10.16 16:54:42 by The hound Reply
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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 87) : look, I genuinely have a lot of time for you and really don’t want to get into a running argument about this. I could turn this around and ask you exactly what your issue is with Curwin, since you’ve pretty much been the yang to my yin when it comes to him.

    I don’t think we’re going to convince one another, so let’s just drop it and talk about something else. How about Graham Geldenhuys, for instance? Disappointing season for him – you reckon he’s got the goods to slot straight into Super Rugby though?

  • Comment 92, posted at 04.10.16 17:23:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 92) : ok fair enough, we will leave it there. Look Rob, I can’t answer that. Last year I would have said yes, without a doubt. But this year he has been injured so much, that you can’t really comment on a one off performance. Do I think he is better than Kleinheyns and Majola, no doubt, would I put him into my squad ahead of them, again, no doubt, he has the physical and mental aptitude to succeed in senior rugby. Only issue is this, he had serious toe / foot surgery earlier in the year and it seems to have raised its ugly head again. But barring injury, i feel he offers more than both Kleinheyns and Majola

  • Comment 93, posted at 04.10.16 17:47:30 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @The hound (Comment 91) : defence has always and will always be about heart. But we need to also bear in mind that his generation we’re smaller?

  • Comment 94, posted at 04.10.16 17:48:22 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @The hound (Comment 91) : @Vonno13 (Comment 94) : yes great point. Take Lambie he’s also not the biggest guys but his defence is solid. Small guys will never defend like Alberts but can still work on it and be solid enough so as to not get a “swinging door” reputation.

  • Comment 95, posted at 04.10.16 17:57:09 by JD Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 24) : Agree. Also try keeping the staff as far as possible. There was a time when the she’s had no option but to keep and grow what they had since they weren’t a premier League team. It was those guys who rocketed us back into the big time. The stable and loyal guys who made us a force to recon with.

  • Comment 96, posted at 04.10.16 19:39:27 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 72) : First time in a while though. So no pattern. Maybe just an off day.

  • Comment 97, posted at 04.10.16 19:43:33 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 78) : Do you think they will be able to match the pace though? Especially when they need fast and furious defense for extended periods?

  • Comment 98, posted at 04.10.16 19:45:09 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 98) : I believe so, yes. They were just as energetic on attack vs. Lions in the league match. So far the Cheetahs have matched the Lions for pace on both attack and defence. The Lions scrum should be strengthened slightly, but Cheetahs can most certainly match the Lions.
    They outscored the Lions 5 tries to 2 in Bloem, and over the season scored 1 try less, but also conceded 5 less than the Lions.
    Lions will get Marx and Redelinghuys back. Cheetahs have Venter back in the midfield.

  • Comment 99, posted at 04.10.16 19:58:23 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 99) : going to be a good game!!!

  • Comment 100, posted at 05.10.16 00:01:47 by JD Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 99) : Well they certainly have the goods up front so if they can starve the Lions they have won half the battle. Just on Arial battles I don’t think they can outmaneuver lions as sharks did at one stage.

  • Comment 101, posted at 05.10.16 06:04:23 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 100) : I really hope so. Hope it doesn’t get spoilt by an over zealous whistle. Hope Cheetahs can go all the way, we need the revenue as well as the boost. Can be good for the Sharks too, in a season or so’s time ????????

  • Comment 102, posted at 05.10.16 07:43:56 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 101) : That is a valid point, that said the Cheetahs have opted to keep ball in hand, rather than kick.

  • Comment 103, posted at 05.10.16 07:45:59 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 102) : hahaha ja might be time for a raid ;-)

  • Comment 104, posted at 05.10.16 10:38:54 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 104) : Apart from Venter, Lee, Small-Smith and Nche, who would have liked to poach.
    The Cheetahs don’t have out and out stars, but the cohesion and synergy is what makes them a good team at the moment.

  • Comment 105, posted at 05.10.16 11:24:20 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 105) : maybe the coach!?!?! ;-)

  • Comment 106, posted at 05.10.16 14:26:26 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 106) : Ha ha, yes maybe the coach :-)
    That said RduP seems to be doing the right things. The suits at the Sharks just need to give him more player resources.

  • Comment 107, posted at 05.10.16 16:05:49 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 107) : true I like RdP snr to coach Super rugby and yes one or two new signings would be nice but think he will have to make do with the current players.

  • Comment 108, posted at 05.10.16 16:11:22 by JD Reply
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