Richard Ferguson

Tuesday Morning News – Updated


Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :Bulls, Currie Cup, In the news, Original Content, Springboks, Stormers, WP on 11 Oct 2016 at 09:30
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Seeing as the Sharks are not in action for the remainder of the year, we cannot let the site just run dry. So I will do my best to get daily news titbits up for your reading pleasure

The biggest news overnight is that Eben Etzebeth has signed a short term contract with Saracens. He will go as a medical replacement for the now retired Alistair Hargreaves and is set to join the club on completion of the End of Year Tour. So much for an off season for the big lock? I am surprised that Western Province and SARU have allowed such a move considering the work load of the young man and his recent run of injury niggles.

In more surprising news, Johan Goosen has been named as the Top 14 player of the season for the 2015/2016 season. His team, Racing Metro, won the Top 14 and he won the award at a gala dinner last night. His fellow nominees included Dan Carter. The big question here is, how can you have a player who is rated as the best in his league (and not exactly a small league) and he cannot find a spot in his national team? What are we doing wrong?

In some local news, Western Province has received a boost ahead of their Currie Cup semi final clash this weekend. Both Bongi Mbonambi and Juan de Jongh have been released to play for the side this weekend. Damian de Allende, Pieter-Steph du Toit and Eben Etzebeth were not released for duty. Western Province take on the Bulls at Loftus this Saturday afternoon.

That is all for the time being.. Happy Tuesday!



50 Comments

  • Let me answer the second question first. We DID give Goosen a run and he was shit. End of :) Maybe it’s possible the Top 14 isn’t as demanding as test rugby?

  • Comment 1, posted at 11.10.16 09:33:04 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 1) :

    I hate saying this, but he sure was better than Lambie at fullback?

  • Comment 2, posted at 11.10.16 09:34:28 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 2) : You not allowed to say that word here :mrgreen: But yes I agree.

  • Comment 3, posted at 11.10.16 09:39:29 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 2) : both were shit. That doesn’t make Goosen the answer.

  • Comment 4, posted at 11.10.16 09:46:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 2) : He was yes. It was so obvious that Lambie is not match fit or even close to being in prime condition though. Question regarding Goosen is where do you play him? 15 he was ok but when Le Roux came on you could see his class compared to Lambie and even Goosen. So do we play Goosen at 13? It would make a possible 10,12,13 of Lambie, De Jongh and Goosen attractive but a bit light weight

  • Comment 5, posted at 11.10.16 09:48:38 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 1) : If am not mistaken Goosen played most of his rugby in France at 13.

  • Comment 6, posted at 11.10.16 09:50:28 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 3) : no, you can say what you like. I’m smart enough to notice when Pat has a bad game. In his third game back after a 3-month lay-off, he was shit. So why is he playing a test against the All Blacks when he’s not in form? You tell me.

    Goosen, on the other hand, is apparently in the form of his life in the pensioner’s league, yet is equally shit at test level.

  • Comment 7, posted at 11.10.16 09:54:02 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 7) : The point being is, who was the better FB over the series? Goosen or Lambie? Goosen by far. Should either of them have played is very debatable, considering that both had to play out of position in the first place , and then Lambie just came back from his long layoff, the coaching staff is to blame, but I also point a finger to the player. He should have known better and not made himself available in the first place.

  • Comment 8, posted at 11.10.16 10:14:08 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 4) :

    Goosen was being played in a position that he hasn’t played in, similar to Lambie.

    It is a joke that players of that quality are being played where they look shit, and in the case of Lambie, when he is not even completely ready..

    The point I am making in the article is, how can a player be so good in a decent league, and you can complare that league to Super Rugby, and he cannot make the transition into International rugby?

  • Comment 9, posted at 11.10.16 10:14:53 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 5) : Seen as we are throwing new combo’s together, how about
    10. Lambie
    11.TBC
    12.Pollard
    13.Goosen
    14.Combrink
    15. Willie

    This is assuming that Frans is never playing for the Boks ever ever ever again.

  • Comment 10, posted at 11.10.16 10:23:15 by Hulk Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 10) : Id be happy with that. probably put Mapoe on the wing.

  • Comment 11, posted at 11.10.16 10:25:37 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 10) : move willie to wing and kriel to 15 and you can call it the protege backline !

  • Comment 12, posted at 11.10.16 10:27:34 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 2) : How could Lambie anything but off the pace after being on the sidelines for months, having 10 minutes of watered down game time and then being played out of position. His elevation into the test squad was not the right call in the first place. Player management my backside..

  • Comment 13, posted at 11.10.16 10:32:11 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 12) : Or could move Kriel to 15 and Ulengo on the wing and have a very young but promising backline. Could include big chaps like Van Rensburg and Esterhuizen on the bench

  • Comment 14, posted at 11.10.16 10:43:11 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 11) : @Zibbie (Comment 12) : hmmmm, decisions, decisions. Hot to admit I thought about Willie on the wing but felt 15 was a problem then. At the same time I’m not sure about playing Mapoe out of position so at the end of the day perhaps Kriel at FB and Willie on the wing. Now with that as the line up are we defensively good? I’m not so sure we are.

  • Comment 15, posted at 11.10.16 10:43:44 by Hulk Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 13) :

    I agree with you completely!

  • Comment 16, posted at 11.10.16 10:44:28 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Hulk (Comment 10) : If we going to play this game how about this

    10 – Lambie
    11 – Jamba Ulengo
    12 – Pollard
    13 – Francois Venter
    14 – Sergeal Petersen
    15 – Combrink

  • Comment 17, posted at 11.10.16 10:49:04 by Tintin Reply

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  • @Tintin (Comment 17) : I’d say you are way left field but can’t imagine that is going to be any worse than what we saw on Saturday so why not.

  • Comment 18, posted at 11.10.16 10:52:36 by Hulk Reply

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  • @Tintin (Comment 17) : @Hulk (Comment 18) : going to need a lot of patience with that back line

    and who would you have at 9 ?

  • Comment 19, posted at 11.10.16 10:58:44 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 13) : @Richard Ferguson (Comment 16) : Done him more harm than good by playing him out of position in a game where even Dan Carter would have looked shite against that opposition that charged down kick that lead to a try had ring rust written all over it,
    Seriously why is no one talking about Willie as the leading number 15 in the country.sure he’s had shite games but not one of his replacements have been better.Doesn’t get picked the whole season and is thrown onto the field when we are 5 trys down and expected to shine.
    He’s the incumbent fullback after all,hows he supposed to feel when he knows four guys have been tried before him in his position and failed.
    That was the joke of all jokes in Alistar Coetzee stand up comedy show.
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  • Comment 20, posted at 11.10.16 11:03:27 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 20) : I agree with you regarding Willie…looked classy when he came on. He was caught out of position with one kick but think Mapoe was actually meant to be covering that area.

  • Comment 21, posted at 11.10.16 11:24:25 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 20) : Never understood why he was dismissed as he’s clearly the best choice we’ve got. Thought when Combrink went down JPP should also have been recalled.

  • Comment 22, posted at 11.10.16 11:45:02 by Hulk Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 18) : @Zibbie (Comment 19) : We going to need alot of patience with what ever backline we pick, at least this one is young and full of power and speed.
    9 is a bit of a problem, right now there is no one that has a rounded skill set, I think we should not look for a new Fourie Du Preez, those dont come round every day, but I would like to see Faf at 9, if he can sharpen up his kicking I recon he could be a good’un

  • Comment 23, posted at 11.10.16 11:45:45 by Tintin Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 19) : Just having fun with the names that keep cropping up. For me I’d keep Faf as my Scrummie. I like him.

  • Comment 24, posted at 11.10.16 11:46:19 by Hulk Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 22) : Yes I would have had Willie at 15,JPP and reluctantly Habbanna on the wings,RJVR and Mapoe at centres and started Steyn at 10 with Lambie or Goosen on the bench.

  • Comment 25, posted at 11.10.16 11:49:33 by The hound Reply
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  • @Tintin (Comment 23) : @Hulk (Comment 24) : yea the team will grow with time and experience . ifthey will be offered that without constant chopping and changing remains to be seen

  • Comment 26, posted at 11.10.16 11:51:29 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 26) : I think the point is if AC would of pick a side like that from the start, one thats young and has the right kind of experience in key positions, we as the public would certainly give him sometime.
    I mean picking Morne, is nothing sort of shambolic!!!

  • Comment 27, posted at 11.10.16 11:56:19 by Tintin Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 25) : That sounds very reasonable

  • Comment 28, posted at 11.10.16 11:59:53 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 28) : I would also have loved to see if Michael Claassens could still raise his A game against the AB’s he couldn’t have been worse than Faf and Houghaard.
    While everyone is on the blooding the next generation and building for the future,there’s a time and place to do it,and its definitely not in a test against probably the best team in history one game off a world record of consecutive wins.

  • Comment 29, posted at 11.10.16 12:09:10 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 20) :

    I am also confused regarding the Willie situation.

    I thought that he had left Willie out of the group as a result of him signing an overseas contract, maybe even going as far as telling him to go find some form before he gets back in the team.

    But to then play two flyhalves out of position at fullback and still call him up at the first opportunity he gets, and still leaves hi on the bench in those two games, leaves me pondering whether AC knows where his arse is..

  • Comment 30, posted at 11.10.16 12:13:04 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 29) : I think the speed and stamina has run out of Claasens legs- was evident in super rugby. Perhaps a Jano Vermaak instead. I do get what you mean by having a good experienced core. If you have that core in key decision making roles then you can build the youngsters around it

  • Comment 31, posted at 11.10.16 12:13:39 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 29) :

    His time to blood his generation of players was in the Irish series, so that by the time they face the All Blacks in Durban, they have had a good run of games to find their feet, not be thrown in the deep end and fucking drown..

  • Comment 32, posted at 11.10.16 12:14:18 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 31) :

    Quick question: Is Cobus Reinach fit again by the time this tour rolls around, or is he injured until next year?

  • Comment 33, posted at 11.10.16 12:15:14 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 33) : Think he is out till next year.

  • Comment 34, posted at 11.10.16 12:26:35 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 34) :

    Would have been interesting to see if he makes it into the squad, seeing as the current coaches enjoy playing players straight from injury…

  • Comment 35, posted at 11.10.16 12:27:22 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • I really think Sergeal Petersen should be given a look in at the Boks. That laaitie has been playing some brilliant rugby.

  • Comment 36, posted at 11.10.16 12:27:24 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 9) : is the Top 14 comparable to Super Rugby? For me, the jury is out.

  • Comment 37, posted at 11.10.16 12:29:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 33) : only expected back in Feb, I think

  • Comment 38, posted at 11.10.16 12:29:32 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 37) :

    You have a point with the amount of geriatrics around there, but still a healthy pool of players to be selected the best of..

  • Comment 39, posted at 11.10.16 12:30:53 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 36) : The problem comes when Peterson has to make a tackle…on attack he is very good

  • Comment 40, posted at 11.10.16 12:34:09 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 39) : it’s one of those questions that you can never really answer anyway, so it will always be a matter of opinion.

  • Comment 41, posted at 11.10.16 12:35:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 41) : I would say Super rugby is probably played at a higher sped but the French top 14 is probably more physical

  • Comment 42, posted at 11.10.16 12:41:35 by SheldonK Reply

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  • You should “never” play a player out of position at international level…rather play the next best regular in that position!

  • Comment 43, posted at 11.10.16 12:52:51 by Lastoutpost Reply

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  • @Lastoutpost (Comment 43) : So Israel Dagg shouldnt be on the wing? Neither should Dane Haylett-petty. Frans Steyn won a RWC at 20 yrs old playing centre for the first time. It can work depending on the players attributes.

  • Comment 44, posted at 11.10.16 13:13:55 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 37) : Is Super Rugby comparable to Super Rugby…..I think not if one considers the current format as an example the Sharks / Lions etc Super Rugby experience was far different to that of Stormers/ Bulls etc. Its crazy but its true.

  • Comment 45, posted at 11.10.16 13:26:39 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 45) : Interesting perspective

  • Comment 46, posted at 11.10.16 13:36:15 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 2) : what position did he play in Top 14?

  • Comment 47, posted at 11.10.16 14:23:31 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 47) : 13 and 15 mostly i think

  • Comment 48, posted at 11.10.16 14:26:33 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 25) : Ideally my 1st choice would be: 9. Faf 10. Lambie 11. Habana (as I’m not sure who else to pick) 12. Frans 13. Mapoe 14. Combrink 15. Willie with RJVR and JPP on my bench. Now assuming Frans isn’t coming back and with Combrink going down, I’d pull the 2 guys from my bench into the starting lineup.

  • Comment 50, posted at 12.10.16 08:41:37 by Hulk Reply

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