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Currie Cup 2016: Semi-final preview and predictions


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content on 14 Oct 2016 at 11:45
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Well, let’s pretend we care, shall we? At least there’s one interesting development, in that the powers that be have eventually relented and allowed 23-man squads for these games.

Amazing, I know!

Semi-final 1: Free State Cheetahs v Golden Lions

The first of two hugely exciting games kicks off at 3pm in Bloemfontein. The Cheetahs have been the pace-setters throughout and are playing some glorious rugby. The Lions took a while to recover form the post Super Rugby slump but are also on the up and played very well against the Sharks in the second half last time out. The Lions have some Bok players to re-integrate as well, whereas teh Cheetahs are settled and looking mean. It will be a tough one, but I think the cheetahs will squeak it by around 3 points.

Free State Cheetahs: 15 Clayton Blommetjies, 14 Sergeal Petersen, 13 Francios Venter (captain), 12 Nico Lee, 11 Raymond Rhule, 10 Niel Marais, 9 Shaun Venter, 8 Niell Jordaan, 7 Uzair Cassiem, 6 Paul Schoeman, 5 Reniel Hugo , 4 Justin Basson, 3 Johan Coetzee, 2 Torsten van Jaarsveld, 1 Retshegofaditswe Nche.
Replacement: 16 Jacques Du Toit, 17 Charles Marais, 18 Armandt Koster, 19 Henco Venter, 20 Tian Meyer, 21 Fred Zeilinga, 22 Ryno Benjamin, 23 Conrad Van Vuuren.

Golden Lions: 15 Andries Coetzee, 14 Koch Marx, 13 Jacques Nel, 12 Rohan Janse van Rensburg, 11 Anthony Volmink, 10 Jaco van der Walt, 9 Ross Cronje, 8 Fabian Booysen, 7 Cyle Brink, 6 Albertus Smith (captain), 5 Bobby de Wee, 4 Ruan Ackermann, 3 Julian Redelinghuys, 2 Malcolm Marx, 1 Jacques van Rooyen.
Replacements: 16 Armand van der Merwe, 17 Corné Fourie, 18 Ruan Dreyer, 19 Lourens Erasmus, 20 Ruaan Lerm, 21 Francois de Klerk, 22 Nicolaas Hanekom, 23 Sylvian Mahuza.

Semi-final 2: Blue Bulls v Western Province

This one is less hard to call, I’d say. The Bulls have been pretty good all year and are starting to show signs of being a force again, whereas Province slipped into the semi’s via the back door and don’t really have much going their way in terms of form. If you struggle to beat Boland at home, you’ll not get close to the Bulls away, I’d predict. Blue Bulls to win by 15. Kick-off at Loftus is at 6.

Blue Bulls: 15 Ulrich Beyers, 14 Travis Ismaiel, 13 Dries Swanepoel, 12 Burger Odendaal, 11 Jamba Ulengo, 10 Tian Schoeman, 9 Rudy Paige, 8 Arno Botha (captain), 7 Jannes Kirsten, 6 Roelof Smit, 5 Rudolph Snyman, 4 Marvin Orie, 3 Jacobie Adriaanse, 2 Jaco Visagie, 1 Lizo Gqoboka.
Replacements: 16 Bandise Maku, 17 Martin Dreyer, 18 Pierre Schoeman, 19 Jason Jenkins, 20 Hanro Liebenberg, 21 Ivan van Zyl, 22 Joshua Stander, 23 Bjorn Basson/Nic de Jager.

Western Province: 15 Cheslin Kolbe, 14 Werner Kok, 13 Juan de Jongh, 12 Huw Jones, 11 Leolin Zas, 10 Robert du Preez, 9 Dewaldt Duvenage, 8 Nizaam Carr, 7 Kobus van Dyk, 6 Rynhardt Elstadt, 5 Chris van Zyl (captain), 4 Jan de Klerk, 3 Wilco Louw, 2 Mbongeni Mbonambi, 1 JC Janse van Rensburg.
Replacements: 16 Mike Willemse, 17 Alistair Vermaak, 18 JP Smith, 19 JD Schickerling, 20 Stefan Willemse, 21 Jano Vermaak, 22 Johnny Kotze, 23 Scott van Breda.



104 Comments

  • Well seeing as my Superbru season already sucks I really don’t care!!! That said I’ve got the same picks so probably a Lions vs WP final!!!

  • Comment 1, posted at 14.10.16 12:00:31 by JD Reply
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  • Bulls vs Lions final is what I am going for.
    The Lions plan is clear as they want to match the Cheetahs by speeding up the game in the last 20-25 minutes, that is why Lourens Erasmus, Akker vd Merwe, Faf de Klerk and Sylvian Mahuza are all on the bench. The scrums will be a huge battle. Last time the Lions had the upper hand until all the Cheetahs props got injured and miraculously recovered for the next week. The loss of Dillion Smith will be huge because neither Jaques van Rooyen or Corne Fourie is worth anything in the scrum. Kwagga has had 2 good games as captain but the loose trio remain unbalanced with nobody to fill the gap Warwick Tecklenburg left. At halfback Cronje will do good to calm things down and get the troops organised and then when Faf is released the second half speed the game up. Rohan also started to look like he is regaining his form but the question will be which Andries Coetzee and Anthony Volmink will show up. Both can rip defenses apart when they are at their best but at their worst they are useless.
    If the Lions are able to hold the scrums and the score is close at the 60min mark, I will back the Lions to close it out. If the Cheetahs get that early dominance and build a lead, I am afraid that the Bulls will have to pack their bags to Bloem. Lions by 8

  • Comment 2, posted at 14.10.16 12:00:57 by Mutley Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 2) : good point you make about the scrums as this time with two props on the bench it will not be as easy to go to uncontested scrums. Think it’s going to be one hell of a game and personally I think the winner will go on to win the Currie cup.

  • Comment 3, posted at 14.10.16 12:09:23 by JD Reply
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  • The only good thing is that two of these teams are going to lose and really as hard as I try I can’t actually muster up the interest to give a flying fuck as to which two it is.

  • Comment 4, posted at 14.10.16 12:17:13 by The hound Reply
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  • Im still battling to stomach this WP side making the semi’s ahead of the Sharks.

  • Comment 5, posted at 14.10.16 13:28:28 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 5) : Living in denial like a boss!!! Just don’t think about it!!! ;-)

  • Comment 6, posted at 14.10.16 14:04:32 by JD Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 4) : And so say all of us

  • Comment 7, posted at 14.10.16 14:11:27 by benji Reply
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  • kinda reinforces that it’s the lower teir unions that won’t budge on 22-man teams. This stupid rule grates me.

  • Comment 8, posted at 14.10.16 14:17:27 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 5) : It’s right up there with Juan de Jongh sorting the Currie Cup winning try at Kings Park…

  • Comment 9, posted at 14.10.16 14:31:59 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 9) : Arrggggggggghhh.

  • Comment 10, posted at 14.10.16 14:50:02 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 6) : Maybe I will go the cultural route this weekend and engross myself with my ample volumes of the works of the 2016 Nobel laureate for literature. :mrgreen: :cool:

  • Comment 11, posted at 14.10.16 14:53:31 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 11) : Personally, I find Together Through Life to be an ideal starting point

  • Comment 12, posted at 14.10.16 15:03:31 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 12) : Good choice….but then I might just put Everybody Must get Stoned on a 24 hour loop.

  • Comment 13, posted at 14.10.16 15:16:35 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 11) : @Culling Song (Comment 12) : what ever it takes ;-)

  • Comment 14, posted at 14.10.16 15:28:48 by JD Reply
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  • “…the powers that be have eventually relented and allowed 23-man squads for these games…” While I also say FINALLY, how the hell do you change the competition rules while the competition is still in progress?!?!

  • Comment 15, posted at 14.10.16 21:13:26 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 11) : My “cultural route” is a beer fest tomorrow at which I’ll actually have better things to do than watch the rugby… :grin:

  • Comment 16, posted at 14.10.16 21:14:53 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 16) : you lucky man!!! Enjoy the beer will maar make my own beer fest at home.

  • Comment 17, posted at 14.10.16 23:26:38 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 17) : :grin: Mmm! We’ll be making oompah music too, so should be good!

  • Comment 18, posted at 15.10.16 06:07:31 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 1) : Lol, Rob picked the Cheetahs! I hope he has it right :-)

  • Comment 19, posted at 15.10.16 06:47:21 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • U/19 Results
    WP 30
    Cheetahs 15

    U/21 Results
    WP 26
    Cheetahs 23

    Lions 37
    Bulls 15

    Today still to play U/19 Bulls vs Lions

  • Comment 20, posted at 15.10.16 09:17:42 by Mutley Reply
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  • WP once again sneak in the back door of playoffs.

  • Comment 21, posted at 15.10.16 11:47:56 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 19) : I can’t make that call with confidence. Not because of the cheetahs lack of form but because of that infamous choke. I hope they took lots of time to meditate and not get in their own way. So I’ll make my call 15 minutes into the game.

  • Comment 22, posted at 15.10.16 11:49:51 by coolfusion Reply

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  • I normally don’t follow the/ U19/ U/21,so its surprise to realise just how dog shite our season is,not a semi finalist in 3 competitions.
    What that says in big bold capitals is that who ever is in the seat, of director of rugby ,should put his hand up and resign.
    Because on these results he’d battle to direct the traffic out of K.P

  • Comment 23, posted at 15.10.16 11:53:27 by The hound Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 18) : enjoy it!!!

  • Comment 24, posted at 15.10.16 12:13:43 by JD Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 19) : I also picked Cheetahs and Bulls but going on past weeks I can’t see both my picks being correct!

  • Comment 25, posted at 15.10.16 12:17:16 by JD Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 22) : what’s the fun in that?! Bite the bullet and pick now!!!

  • Comment 26, posted at 15.10.16 12:19:32 by JD Reply
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  • Cheetahs playing some good rugby at the moment – leading 19-0

  • Comment 27, posted at 15.10.16 15:35:00 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Sergeal Peterson is on fire at the moment. 26-0

    Lions have plenty to do to get back in this game.

  • Comment 28, posted at 15.10.16 15:45:14 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 27) : Yes shutting down the Lions attack everytime (with offside play) but making most of their chances

  • Comment 29, posted at 15.10.16 15:46:46 by Mutley Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 29) : Rasta eventually picks up on that, but the Lions stuffs up a chance to score. With their dominant scrum I would have taken the scrum at the last free kick – tying up the Cheetah loosies.

  • Comment 30, posted at 15.10.16 15:51:53 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 30) : vd Walt is having a nightmare and the tackling of the Lions are pathetic today.

  • Comment 31, posted at 15.10.16 16:02:17 by Mutley Reply
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  • Wonderful try (soft defence from the Lions though) straight from the kickoff started by Peterson. 33-0

    Cheetahs showing some SA players not without skills.

  • Comment 32, posted at 15.10.16 16:03:53 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Lions just can’t hold onto the ball for any period of time.

  • Comment 33, posted at 15.10.16 16:05:41 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Cheetahs starting to give away a number of penalties in a row – earns Benjamin a yellow.

  • Comment 34, posted at 15.10.16 16:13:37 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Mahuza scores in the corner. 33-5

  • Comment 35, posted at 15.10.16 16:15:16 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Cheetahs deserve this cup. Every ounce.

  • Comment 36, posted at 15.10.16 16:30:38 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 26) : Can I pick now?

  • Comment 37, posted at 15.10.16 16:31:37 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Vd Walt is having a mare at 10 today..

  • Comment 38, posted at 15.10.16 16:32:37 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Cassiem draws and passes like a centre. He has been very good today.

  • Comment 39, posted at 15.10.16 16:37:32 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Lions score a very good try from inside their own 22.

  • Comment 40, posted at 15.10.16 16:38:36 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Cheetahs dominated the Lions from the word go. They made the game fast and the young Lions could not keep up. Jaco vd Walt had a terrible game by kicking 2 penalties out over the deadball line, knocking with a open try line, kicking the ball out on the full and missing all his kicks at goal. Injuries to both Julian Redelinghuis and Ruan Dreyer didn’t help because the Lions dominated the scrums until they went off. Fabian Booysen is another player that was completely out of his deph. Ruan Lerm looked much better. The lack of experience clearly came through. But this CC campain I see as a good thing. Will bring the Lions back down to earth and Ackerman can see who works and who doesn’t. Who works and show they can step up. 1. Sylvian Mahuza, 2. Ruan Lerm. Who doesn’t work. 1. Jaco vd Walt, 2. Fabian Booysen, 3. Jaques van Rooyen (At tighthead) 4. Corne Fourie.

  • Comment 41, posted at 15.10.16 16:59:59 by Mutley Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 37) : no it was still to close to call ;-)

  • Comment 42, posted at 15.10.16 17:57:42 by JD Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 41) : Cheetahs was just awesome today just hope that they did not play their “final” today and that they’re ready for another performance like today for the final!

  • Comment 43, posted at 15.10.16 18:01:19 by JD Reply
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  • Well as a consolidation to the Lions we have seen two teams now emerging with an exciting brand that can help change the face of our current stale SA game. Hope the sharks get there soon too.

  • Comment 44, posted at 15.10.16 19:34:57 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 44) : yes.read something interesting that plum said: nz teams spend about 30% more time on fitness than sa teams.thant,and the game is still won or lost at the breakdown.

  • Comment 45, posted at 15.10.16 19:47:05 by 50shadesofshark3 Reply

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  • Apparently Julian Redelinghuys will undergo neck surgery today as he has a dislocation in his neck. Hope and pray it will go a well and that he will make a full recovery!

  • Comment 46, posted at 16.10.16 05:40:09 by JD Reply
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  • So at the end of the end,the 2016 season closes and what is now patently clear and after watching the two semi games the gap between the top four teams and the Sharks is now becoming a gulf,please sare me the usual rubbish smoke blowing, and this Shark team is now the SR team its going to be a long 2017 season but for me is where did it all go so wrong and who let this state of affairs materialise cause they should be shot at dawn

  • Comment 47, posted at 16.10.16 13:14:39 by benji Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 44) : yes was at the Bullarina game,that crew are on thete way back and with them will lead no doubtedly to another SR title ot two

  • Comment 48, posted at 16.10.16 13:18:32 by benji Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 48) : Glad they took it away from the weepee who were set to sneak into the back door. Like with SR. That would have been a shame.

  • Comment 49, posted at 16.10.16 13:44:04 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @benji (Comment 47) : While I don’t agree there is such a huge gulf, I can say that a teams upward and downward movements don’t happen in one season. It comes over a few years worth of work and planning, or lack thereof.

  • Comment 50, posted at 16.10.16 13:47:56 by coolfusion Reply

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  • I don’t agree with the notion that the Sharks are way behind yesterday’s semi finalists. We were top of the log until the WP and Cheetahs losses. This coincided with Chadwick being released and injuries to KD and Van der Walt. This resulted in our scrum taking a pounding . Our backs are the most in experienced in the CC compared to lions Wp cheetahs and bulls. This contributed to us not making the semi. We also lost the same amount of games as the lions and WP. The losing BP was the difference. The team is improving with an entertaining style of play. With some re inforcments .In certain areas we will be back in contention.

  • Comment 51, posted at 16.10.16 14:27:56 by sudhir Reply

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  • @sudhir (Comment 51) : I agree. There are some minors that are keeping us from stepping up.

  • Comment 52, posted at 16.10.16 14:32:21 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @sudhir (Comment 51) : @coolfusion (Comment 52) : also the same time as losing Adriaanse to the Bokke. That said it showed how thin the Sharks are in some crucial positions!

  • Comment 53, posted at 16.10.16 14:43:53 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 53) : Sure but consider that we will have Lourens beast Thomas and Coenie back for supers.

  • Comment 54, posted at 16.10.16 14:51:40 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 44) :

    The Boks have already committed to this more exciting brand of rugby. They just played a test match with an unprecedented and crowd pleasing 9 tries.

    Is this not exciting enough for you?

  • Comment 55, posted at 16.10.16 15:25:02 by fyndraai Reply
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  • How did we let Sergeal Petersen get away ,we went for lame buys like SP Marais and Mjewkue(spelling) and left the diamond the King’s table.This guy was wonderful from day one,everything Kolbe has been trumped up to be.Would love to see him combine with Bosch.
    Either way he is a magnificent player as is the Cheetahs no 7 the guy with the Popeye arms and the Moslem name.

  • Comment 56, posted at 16.10.16 16:18:00 by The hound Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 54) : only problem is neither Thomas nor Coenie showed any form at 3 so that leaves us with only 1 no 3 (Lourens) and 3 no 1′s!?

  • Comment 57, posted at 16.10.16 19:33:10 by JD Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 56) : Uzair Cassiem played for Pumas untill last year and Sharks signed super Pottie!?!?!?

  • Comment 58, posted at 16.10.16 19:36:42 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 57) : why do they have to play at 3 if both are better crummagers at 1

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 59) : they don’t but Sharks needs cover at 3 as they can’t go into Super rugby with only Lourens!?

  • Comment 60, posted at 16.10.16 20:40:16 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 60) : But it would be like playing Lambie at 15 which clearly is not his posisition as he plays bad in that posisition ? Just because 3 is vacant shouldn’t mean we have to play players out of posision?just to fill up the gap.

  • Comment 61, posted at 16.10.16 21:07:10 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 61) : I know and agree with you. My concern is top quality cover at both 1 and 3 as the Sharks were weak when they lost a couple of props. Currently Sharks only have 4 experienced props and the problem is 3 of the 4 is proven loose heads leaving only Lourens at 3. BUT REMEMBER Thomas said he wants to move to 3 and Coenie apparently due to medical conditions have to move to 3 so it’s not me that wants them to move it was their choice, but on current form neither is (for me) an option for Super rugby at 3. Yes both can cover 1 with Beast but only Lourens is a proven top quality 3 and Sharks will need extra cover at 3 as he can’t play every minute of every game!

  • Comment 62, posted at 16.10.16 22:19:01 by JD Reply
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  • In unrelated news I see Julian’s operation was successful (level C5/6 was fused) but still not clear if he will play again.
    Neil Tovey had an heart attack today and is in critical condition in hospital.
    Our prayers go out to both of them and their families and we hope they both make full recoveries!

  • Comment 63, posted at 16.10.16 22:25:07 by JD Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 55) : Are they doing it backwards?

  • Comment 64, posted at 17.10.16 06:52:59 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Was really fantastic rugby from the Cheetahs, they played without fear of failure and just ran hard on attack and came up on defense and tried to hit hard and low as well. They were aided by plenty of Lions mistakes but a lot of them they were forced into. I was very impressed with Cassiem, Venter and they were good on attack but the defense from wings Sergeal Peterson and Raymond Rhule was the best ive seen from them in years- good technique and big heart. Thought a lot of the Lions big names were poor except Ross Cronje- thought he was very good.

    I was not impressed by the Bulls/WP game…very average rugby with a lot of mistakes and bad timing. Was close and perhaps kept the spectators there interested but the quality was low.

  • Comment 65, posted at 17.10.16 08:43:03 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 56) : Quite a few Cheetah players have come of age, under Franco’s tutelage. Rhule is defending like a demon, and together with Peterson and Blompot, they make a devastating back three.
    Nico Lee is a gem uncovered, and his combination with Francois Venter is deadly.
    My only concern was the second row, but Reniel Hugo is doing well. Still worried about depth amongst the locks.

  • Comment 66, posted at 17.10.16 09:15:10 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 16) : How was the beerfest? Where was it?

  • Comment 67, posted at 17.10.16 09:18:05 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 66) : Is Lood available for the final.

  • Comment 68, posted at 17.10.16 09:22:53 by The hound Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 66) : Reniel Hugo – best kick by a lock since John Eales

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 66) : Congrats on your team’s win. I persevered for about 60 minutes on Saturday but it got so one-sided I eventually got bored and stopped watching. I wonder if the Kiwis ever get disinterested when the All Blacks dominate like that? :grin:

  • Comment 70, posted at 17.10.16 10:27:37 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 70) : Re Kiwis. From my side, as the majority of my mates in London are infact Kiwis, I know they still watch but the pre-match & post-match banter between us has completely vanished this year. Up until last year there was always a weeks build up, and gloating rights for the following week. Their FB posts don’t mention the rugby either this year.
    Obviously its a very small poll so to speak but thats what I’m seeing.

    What people wish for. More tries!!!
    When people get their wish. *Yawn*

    Reminds me of the first and very last basketball game I ever watched. First 5 seconds the team my cousins support scores. “Woohoo!!!” After the 20th score “Ergh Is it half time yet?” After the 40th “Hrmm I wonder what the optimal walking speed is when its raining?”

  • Comment 71, posted at 17.10.16 12:00:57 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 71) : ja is always like that you want something and when you get it it quickly becomes boring.

  • Comment 72, posted at 17.10.16 12:22:07 by JD Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 68) : Confusion reigns! Not sure as apparently contracted boks aren’t available.

  • Comment 73, posted at 17.10.16 12:42:59 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 70) : Lol, Thanks. I didn’t get bored he he. Was good to watch the skills on display.

  • Comment 74, posted at 17.10.16 12:44:06 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 74) : I believe you!!! Was an awesome performance by the Cheetahs! Congrats and good luck for the final!

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  • @JD (Comment 75) : Thanks JD. I am super chuffed, and hope the Cheetahs can deliver the same intensity in the final, and more crucially in next year’s Super Rugby.

  • Comment 76, posted at 17.10.16 15:32:40 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 76) : ja hope Cheetahs can perform like that again in the final against the Bulls!
    Super rugby might be a bit harder as Cheetahs will face NZ teams but they should go into Super rugby with some momentum unlike my beloved Sharks that must start again after yet another poor Currie cup!

  • Comment 77, posted at 17.10.16 15:51:43 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 77) : Agreed! No reason why they can’t compete with NZ sides if the play like this.

  • Comment 78, posted at 17.10.16 16:17:17 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 78) : for sure but I think it will be a bit harder as the NZ Super rugby sides should be a bit better than this Currie cup sides. Another thing is depth as injuries also play a role in Super rugby performances.

  • Comment 79, posted at 17.10.16 17:04:46 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 79) : Absolutely! Been our downfall so often! Think we are better served for depth next year. Consider the following players were not in action vs. Lions
    LH: Danie Mienie/BG Uys
    Hkr: Huggett/Dweba
    TH: Tom Botha/Luan de Bruyn
    Lock: Dennis Visser, Carl Wegner
    Flanks: Boom Prinsloo, Willie Britz, Tienie Burger, Oupa Mohoje
    SH: JP Smith
    FH: Sias Ebersohn
    Center: vd Spuy, William Small-Smith, Tertius Kruger, Joubert Engelbrecht
    Almost a full team, most of which have already played Super Rugby.
    Also keen to see if some youngsters from the junior ranks can come through in the Vodacom Cup, thinking specifically of Henry Immelmann, Masolwa Mafuma, Gertie Labuschagne and Stephan Janse van Rensburg (Nico Lee’s center partner)

  • Comment 80, posted at 17.10.16 18:36:37 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 80) : ja for sure looks better than in past years and also remember there’s also a couple of Kwas and Griffon players that will also add depth! and that’s why I think it’s time for a well planned Sharks raid ;-) hahaha

  • Comment 81, posted at 17.10.16 20:29:09 by JD Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 64) :

    You mean you want them to play exciting and winning rugby at the same time?

    In my experience, these two things in SA rugby never go together. I don’t understand why the fans keep thinking it will be different next time.

  • Comment 82, posted at 18.10.16 01:13:06 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 82) : for the same reason we believe next season will be better than this year! There’s alway a hope or dream!

  • Comment 83, posted at 18.10.16 05:58:33 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 81) : Are the Kwas still part of the Cheetahs for super rugby? Thought i heard something about them breaking away from that alliance…perhaps i heard wrong

  • Comment 84, posted at 18.10.16 07:47:55 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 84) : My understanding is that Griqua players are available for selection for Super Rugby, but they aren’t part of the franchise anymore.

  • Comment 85, posted at 18.10.16 10:20:26 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 85) : Ah ok cool, that does help with a bit of depth. These partnerships should be in place for Super rugby: WP/Boland, Cheetahs/Griquas, Sharks/EP, Bulls/Pumas, Lions/Leopards

  • Comment 86, posted at 18.10.16 10:46:34 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 85) : As I understand the franchise partners are as follows:
    Cheetahs (Freestate Cheetahs and Griffons)
    Bulls (Blue Bulls, Border Bulldogs, Valke and Pumas)
    Stormers (Western Province, Boland and SWD)
    Lions (Golden Lions and Griquas)
    Sharks (Natal Sharks and Leopards)
    Kings (EP Kings and SARU)

  • Comment 87, posted at 18.10.16 11:44:26 by Mutley Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 85) : @Mutley (Comment 87) : sorry must have missed that one but when did it change?

  • Comment 88, posted at 18.10.16 12:26:10 by JD Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 85) : @Mutley (Comment 87) : as I have it the regions are as follows:
    Bulls – Bulls & Valke
    Lions – Lions, Pumas & Leopards
    Cheetahs – Cheetahs, Griquas & Griffons
    Sharks – Sharks & nobody
    Kings – Kings, Border & Eagles
    Stormers – WP & Boland

  • Comment 89, posted at 18.10.16 12:40:22 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 89) : http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/SuperRugby/lions-griquas-to-form-partnership-20160510. Cape Town – The possibility exists that the Golden Lions and Griquas will form a partnership, Netwerk24 reports.

    This comes after Western Province recently announced a partnership with South Western Districts, which sees the George-based union re-joining the Stormers franchise.

    A recent report also indicated that the Blue Bulls and Boland will join forces, with the latter’s relationship with WP believed to have turned sour.

    It is believed that there is a big financial incentive from SA Rugby for franchises who opt for such partnerships with the so-called smaller union.

    Meanwhile, Cheetahs director of rugby Rory Duncan has confirmed that Free State formed a partnership with the Griffons.

    “The most important part of this agreement is the exchange of players. We will make players not part of our 23-man squad in the Currie Cup available for the Griffons,” said Duncan.

    http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/SuperRugby/border-join-forces-with-bulls-20160520
    Pretoria – The Border Rugby Union has become the latest province to form part of the Bulls franchise in Super Rugby.

    The Pretoria franchise officially confirmed the association on Friday.

    “Last week the Vodacom Bulls proudly announced that we had entered into a partnership agreement with Boland and the Pumas Rugby Unions regarding the Bulls Super Rugby franchise.

    “It gives us great pleasure to confirm that the Border Rugby Union is now also part of that agreement,” the Bulls said via a press statement.

    Barend van Graan, CEO of the Blue Bulls Company, reiterated on his sentiments from last week’s announcement.

    “The Bulls are excited about the partnership, as we firmly believe that this strategic relationship will not only benefit the teams involved but will certainly enhance rugby in the various regions, ultimately strengthening the franchise and improving the Bulls performances in the long term.”

    Monde Tabata, administrator of the Border Rugby Union, also expressed enthusiasm to take the relationship forward.

    I also read somewhere that the Leopards joined the Sharks and left the Lions

  • Comment 90, posted at 18.10.16 14:30:39 by Mutley Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 86) : So you basically saying scrap the Kings then?

  • Comment 91, posted at 18.10.16 14:52:08 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 91) : Indeed

  • Comment 92, posted at 18.10.16 14:53:25 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 92) : I won’t disagree with you on that one

  • Comment 93, posted at 18.10.16 15:10:11 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 93) : Its based purely on player resources/depth and finances which means i classify them as a ‘small union’ much like the Leopards,Pumas , Boland etc. SA rugby is trying to run too many provinces which in this economy makes no sense other than own personal gain

  • Comment 94, posted at 18.10.16 15:17:06 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 94) : We should have max 10 unions. Your big 5. (Sharks, WP, Cheethas, Lions and Bulls) Your medium unions (Griquas, Leopards, Pumas and Boland) and your development union (Kings)

  • Comment 95, posted at 18.10.16 15:39:30 by Mutley Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 95) : Yup makes perfect sense to me. Premier Unions play Super rugby combined with a small union and then for CC you split into Premier and 1st Division. But hey guess thats far too much reason and logic for SA rugby

  • Comment 96, posted at 18.10.16 15:41:29 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Mutley (Comment 90) : ok thanx. Interesting indeed although it’s going to bad for players of that far away unions as they will basically be away from their home more than they will be at home!?

  • Comment 97, posted at 18.10.16 16:17:43 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 83) :
    Hoping for a better tomorrow is understandable. Demanding tactics that had failed over and over again in rhe past is not.

    It’s as if rugby fans have no memories. Nothing that happened in the past has a bearing on how to approach the future.

    Perfect example here at the Sharks.
    Before SR 2015, the coach declares they’re going to play more attacking rugby. The season is a disaster and halfway in he admitted that he completely neglected defense.
    In 2016, the Sharks defended like demons and has a much better season. Here we have a fan advocating exciting rugby again.

    No memory?
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  • Comment 98, posted at 18.10.16 16:45:59 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 98) : ag you mos know fans always want the teams to run and look good with the ball in hand and if they lose doing exactly that then the very same fans bitch and moan how kak the coach is for playing running rugby!
    Personally I believe it not a case of playing attacking running rugby or structured/defencive conservative rugby. It’s a case of playing structured conservative rugby until during the game you earn the right to go into attacking running mode. Basically play the game that’s in front of you and not on the tactic board in the dressing room!

  • Comment 99, posted at 18.10.16 17:13:17 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 99) : Absolutely agree. Play the situation. Cheetahs are looking good now because they are actually defending as well as attacking. They are also running when there is opportunity to do so, and they pass to a player in space.
    That will be more challenging in Super Rugby, but they must rise to that!

  • Comment 100, posted at 18.10.16 17:51:58 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 100) : yes that’s exactly what the Cheetahs is doing and glad it’s working for them as it did for the Lions (for most of Super rugby)!

  • Comment 101, posted at 18.10.16 20:09:43 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 99) : 100% agree. Too much is made of predetermined game plans and either a running game or kicking game. Players need to have the ability and decision making to play the situation in front of them and whether that requires a kick, pass or taking the ball into contact and keeping it tight. As SA fans we put so much bladdy emphasis on a ‘game plan’ and we wonder why players arent free thinking and able to assess a situation.

  • Comment 102, posted at 19.10.16 08:45:03 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 100) : The difference comes in Super rugby when you have less time on attack as the opposition defense is up and in your face a lot quicker so attacking players have less time to make a decision and also need to get up off the floor quicker to support/clean. And then its the same on defense when opposition attack is quick and accurate. So the Cheetahs just need to do what they are currently doing but at a quicker pace

  • Comment 103, posted at 19.10.16 09:00:13 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 100) : congrats on a very fine Currie cup final!!! Cheetahs showed they were the best in this years Currie cup!!!

  • Comment 104, posted at 24.10.16 21:01:34 by JD Reply
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