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Bok coaches appointed


Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :End of Year Tour, Original Content, Springboks on 20 Oct 2016 at 11:05
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Following on the story we ran yesterday, it seems SA Rugby jumped the gun a bit and went ahead and announced the new coaches before the Saturday deadline.

As expected, both JP Ferreira and Franco Smith have been asked to join the Boks on the End of Year Tour as well as Louis Koen.

Smith will be involved with the backline play and overall skills of the players, while Ferreira takes over the defensive responsibilities from chean Roux. Koen joins the team as kicking specialist.

Both Ferreira and Smith are purely seconded to the Bok cause for this tour, still remaining in the employ of their respective Unions.



79 Comments

  • Good luck to them both and I hope they both find much success.

  • Comment 1, posted at 20.10.16 12:13:15 by Hulk Reply
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  • Well you have to give credit for the Boks and AC realising he needs help to right this ship. Dont know if will make a significant impact initially but lets see. I think a lot depends on the combos selected.

  • Comment 2, posted at 20.10.16 12:22:43 by SheldonK Reply
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  • What a wonderful opportunity for Franco Smith to learn about coaching and backline play from the legendary Mzwandile Stick.

  • Comment 3, posted at 20.10.16 12:23:28 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 3) : :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 4, posted at 20.10.16 12:28:44 by The hound Reply
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  • Stoked for JP – played with him at PBHS, he was a great little player and would have gone far, but just a bit small to make it professionally. Very passionate about his rugga and his work has clearly paid off at the Lions, besides Saturday of course!

  • Comment 5, posted at 20.10.16 12:46:12 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 3) : Its meant to be the other way round… :cool:

  • Comment 6, posted at 20.10.16 12:47:56 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Good luck to the new coaches! Just wished they would have used Ackers as assistant to the assistant coach responsible for the forwards!!!

  • Comment 7, posted at 20.10.16 13:11:06 by JD Reply
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  • This is a step in the right direction (even though more difficult ones are sorely needed). I’m still concerned with the Bok defence going forward but wishing Ferreira all the best.

  • Comment 8, posted at 20.10.16 13:38:32 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 8) : Ferreira can put the best structures in place but unless the players come to the party with a bit of effort and guts it wont do much good.

  • Comment 9, posted at 20.10.16 13:51:02 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 9) : Maybe he can help MS with his defense.

  • Comment 10, posted at 20.10.16 14:12:18 by Loosehead Reply

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  • @Loosehead (Comment 10) : Considering the defense shown by the Lions flyhalves im gonna go with nope. What i am hoping for is more of an in your face rush defensive pattern. Waiting and shifting will only cause trouble at that level

  • Comment 11, posted at 20.10.16 14:35:53 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 3) : :lol: @SheldonK (Comment 6) : But surely they can all learn from AC, the owner of a Rugby World Cup winners medal.

  • Comment 12, posted at 20.10.16 14:39:03 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 11) : harsh man totally harsh!!! You can only teach someone who is willing to learn so if they’re not willing to do it there’s nothing he can do to force them!!! Blame him if the whole defensive structures are stuffed up but not for one (or two) player(s) that does not have the balls to tackle!!!

  • Comment 13, posted at 20.10.16 14:41:30 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 13) : Yes harsh but i totally agree with your point there and thats what i was referring to.

  • Comment 14, posted at 20.10.16 14:42:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • So no De Bruin, I suppose last weekends score did not help his cause.

  • Comment 15, posted at 20.10.16 14:43:19 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 13) : There is an easy solution for that though…..ask Ackermann, maak droog, then bye bye boytjies for a game or 2.

  • Comment 16, posted at 20.10.16 14:46:07 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 13) : Blame him for selecting players who don’t have the balls to tackle,they shouldn’t be within a 50 km radius of a Bok jersey.

  • Comment 17, posted at 20.10.16 14:49:52 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 17) : yes. Dont blame the rotten product for being rotten. Blame the shopkeeper who keeps putting it on the shelf.

  • Comment 18, posted at 20.10.16 15:00:56 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 18) : And if all the products are sub standard? Close up shop?

  • Comment 19, posted at 20.10.16 15:12:50 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 17) : @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 18) : in exactly what world does the defence coach pick the side!!! Like the skills coach he must work with what is given to him by the selectors and head coach!!! If you want to blame someone just take the time to at least blame the right person!!!

  • Comment 20, posted at 20.10.16 15:40:24 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 20) : Whether we like it or not, while size is not everything in rugby, it is important, especially in certain positions. Juan De Jong is a small man, he may make one or two hits, but he will eventually break, as we have seen in the championship. Elton is in a similar position, he is a small man, he does not lack bravery, he tries to make the tackle, but often gets shoved aside. The NZ centres are often quite a bit bigger than ours, but lately, they are much bigger as De Jong can only weigh around 80kgs at max. J Kriel is not a big hitter either, he is a powerfully built boy, but he is not dominant in the tackle. Guys like De Allende, F Steyn ( while that is all really ) have the size to dominate in the tackle area

  • Comment 21, posted at 20.10.16 16:04:20 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @Vonno13 (Comment 21) : Is it any wonder that this Bok backline fared well: 9. DuPreez 10. James 11. Habana 12 F. Steyn 13. Fourie 14. JPP 14. Montgomery…
    Compared to 9. DeKlerk 10.M Steyn 11. Habana 12. De Allende 13. DeJongh 14. Hougaard 15. Lambie

  • Comment 22, posted at 20.10.16 16:07:53 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 21) : Well not all. JvR, Pollard, Esterhuizen, Jan Serf, Combrinck, Venter all have proven they can make big hits consistently.

  • Comment 23, posted at 20.10.16 16:10:11 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 19) : Do you really and truly believe that with what we had at our disposal we should not have done better than the absolute thrashing we got? They may not all have been 10 year world beating all blacks but surely better than what was displayed. Let’s not give AC an out here. Eddie Jones beat the number 3 side in the world with less during world cup using no names from a world cup minnow team. Come on. If you gave Jones exactly the same stock to work with would the results really have been NO different at all?

  • Comment 24, posted at 20.10.16 16:14:53 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 24) : U cant say with any certainty another guy would have done better. Yes he could have but he could also have done worse. There is no way of knowing, its just easy to throw the assumption out there. So to answer your question yes we should have done better. I can bet you everyone involved with the Boks that days thinks exactly the same. AC has got a lot wrong, but so too have the players…even the ‘form’ players. The Lions were by far the best SA rugby side this year and they took almost 100points from the Canes over 2 games….so back to your question on should we have done better…well i dunno.

  • Comment 25, posted at 20.10.16 16:20:40 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 20) : We were actually talking about the head coach,are you now saying that Coetzee has no say in the selection.

  • Comment 26, posted at 20.10.16 16:32:17 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 25) : Dunno AC track record suggests he has always underperformed with what he has at his disposal given the competition. Not like he did great things with WP and now things suddenly changed.

  • Comment 27, posted at 20.10.16 16:34:13 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 21) : ok just remind me how much smaller Elton and Juan is than Pat Lambie?!?!?!
    Yes I will agree big guys can hit harder more often but is for sure not the only thing. There’s big guys that could not defend to save their lives!!!

  • Comment 28, posted at 20.10.16 16:34:58 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 28) : Just look at de Allende,for a great example of that.

  • Comment 29, posted at 20.10.16 16:38:23 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 26) : well in your comment you said “blame him for selecting players” and you were replying to one of my comments. If you bother to trace back to each reply you will find that we were in fact talking about JP Fereirra and not AC and yes not for 1 second do I think JP selects the team!!!

  • Comment 30, posted at 20.10.16 16:44:27 by JD Reply
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  • For my money Omar as defensive coach Franco forwards and Monty kicking coach.

  • Comment 31, posted at 20.10.16 16:48:31 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 31) : If only.

  • Comment 32, posted at 20.10.16 16:49:04 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 20) : I cant remember saying Stick picked the side brother. Calm down.

  • Comment 33, posted at 20.10.16 20:21:39 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 19) : No. Resign.

  • Comment 34, posted at 20.10.16 20:22:10 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 33) : never said you did! And I’m very calm. All I say is let’s see who AC picks for the end of year tour as I think it will tell us a lot about what AC is planning for the future.

  • Comment 35, posted at 20.10.16 20:40:08 by JD Reply
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  • Well, to me, it’s a step in the right direction for AC to admit he needs help but at the same time he is also admitting he that cannot do the job to the standards that are required from him. Why doesn’t he do the right thing then and resign? A lot of people are still defending the guy, I don’t get it, aren’t we almost 10 games into his ‘reign’? Don’t we have a very clear picture of what he brings to the table, or lack of it, already? If that isn’t the case then let us hope he can do some miracles on the end of year tour, and hope the coaching reinforcements has an impact not just in their areas, but on the the teams mindset as well.

  • Comment 36, posted at 21.10.16 09:05:59 by Quintin Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 27) : AC’s WP sides were very tough to beat. Just look at them now and id say they were harder to beat when AC was in charge. Again im not saying he is brilliant or the best coach in the world. Just not willing to bash him completely like many others

  • Comment 37, posted at 21.10.16 09:51:34 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 36) : Who would you like to replace AC then? Being realistic that is

  • Comment 38, posted at 21.10.16 09:52:35 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 37) : They were hard to beat when Jaques Nienaber was the defence coach.

  • Comment 39, posted at 21.10.16 10:01:38 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 38) : Anybody who didn’t need help doing the job.This should,or used be one of the top three jobs in rugby.
    What a disgrace that we have an incumbent in place who openly admits he can’t do the job,then sits back and waits to be bailed out.
    Any one with any kind of a conscience,would firstly not have accepted the job,and secondly done the right thing and resigned when they realised that they were too incompetent.

  • Comment 40, posted at 21.10.16 10:07:11 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 39) : Well then perhaps they should be teamed up again dont you think? @The hound (Comment 40) : Last i remembered hearing there werent too many coaches putting their names forward to be the Bok coach. I think we kidding ourselves if we think high profile coaches see the Bok job is something they all want. Should AC resign i can barely think of 3 guys that could possibly maybe be realistically appointed

  • Comment 41, posted at 21.10.16 10:13:15 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 41) : Nienaber has joined Rassie at Munster,now that would be my preference for a South African born coaching team.

  • Comment 42, posted at 21.10.16 10:18:34 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 42) : Add in a backline attack coach and i would definitely agree. Perhaps a Swys DeBruyn/ Franco Smith?

  • Comment 43, posted at 21.10.16 10:24:15 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 37) : @SheldonK (Comment 38) : I’m not bashing the guy, I’m just judging him from what I’ve seen him do in his current position as an international level coach, not his past provincial teams, there’s a difference between coaching CC/SR and an international team. As far as selecting another coach, it’s down to who’s available at the moment and if the Boks are willing to select a non South-African coach, which is where I think we are getting it wrong.

  • Comment 44, posted at 21.10.16 10:34:54 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 44) : Imagine giving Robbie Deans, Carte Blanche to do what he likes with the Bok team,the only proviso being we want the next World Cup.

  • Comment 45, posted at 21.10.16 10:39:23 by The hound Reply
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  • And Steven Saad and Johan Rupert can club together and pay his salary

  • Comment 46, posted at 21.10.16 10:40:43 by The hound Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 28) : What are you saying, Pat is a big hitter?? Don’t make me laugh man. Pat makes his tackles, he is not a big hitter. SA Rugby has not been the same since we lost the phenomenal Jacque Fourie! With J De Villers, F Steyn and J Fourie, we went through a 3-4 year period where are centres all weighed 100kg plus. That takes a lot off the shoulders of a Lambie – If you played Lambie alongside De Jong and Kriel, trust me, he would eventually fall off tackles.

  • Comment 47, posted at 21.10.16 10:43:01 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @Quintin (Comment 44) : Selecting a foreign coach does not seem like something that will happen under the current SARU management, well not in my view anyway but willing to listen if there is any evidence to the contrary. Which then leaves us with only SA coaches and well which of them have had any success really? None have international success. So its all well and good to say get rid of the guy, but then what? If there is a plan to replace then fair enough

  • Comment 48, posted at 21.10.16 10:44:32 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 45) : Would never happen, he would tell the players they playing shit, they would cry and then pull together to tell him to leave. Our players do not seem to be able to deal with constructive criticism very well, just ask J Mitchell

  • Comment 49, posted at 21.10.16 10:44:34 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @Vonno13 (Comment 49) : I started my post with ”IMAGINE”

  • Comment 50, posted at 21.10.16 11:54:44 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 45) : He would be a very good choice.

    @SheldonK (Comment 48) : Before AC was appointed SARU had numerous discussions about appointing a foreign coach and it seems they were very open to the idea, they considered Wayne Smith, the NZ assistant coach as a candidate so I don’t think the idea of a foreign coach is as alien to them as you might think.

  • Comment 51, posted at 21.10.16 12:10:27 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 51) : How could they consider Wayne Smith when he never once indicated he was interested and he said definitely no when asked. I think perhaps you read too much into some speculative articles. I have seen no evidence of SARU coming close to thinking of a foreign coach, they dont even ant a foreign based captain. If they ever do appoint a foreign head coach i will be willing to admit im wrong, but i cant see that happening before the next RWC at least

  • Comment 52, posted at 21.10.16 12:19:55 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 52) : Considering a candidate and actually making a person a candidate are two different things,the Wayne Smith idea was just an example of them actually discussing foreign coaches, yes it was just rumors(apparently from reliable sources) but it’s not the point I’m trying to make. When Hoskins was still at Saru he confirmed that they discussed foreign coaches as an option and everyone else involved in the selection process seemed open to the idea.

    I understand why you say that Saru won’t appoint a foreign coach anytime soon and I agree that in the short term they probably won’t, I just don’t think it’s in the realms of impossibility especially when you consider that they have discussed it before and the fact that we are lacking quality SA coaches at the moment.

  • Comment 53, posted at 21.10.16 12:42:59 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 53) : Ian Mac was technically a foreign coach,

  • Comment 54, posted at 21.10.16 12:45:18 by The hound Reply
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  • @Quintin (Comment 53) : Yeh look i have no idea what goes in in their minds or what is discussed behind closed doors. Just the information i have is that they havnt come close to appointing a foreign guy, nor has one even applied as far as i know. As i said, im very willing to be proven wrong…just cant see it happening.

  • Comment 55, posted at 21.10.16 12:51:53 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 54) : And Teichman a foreign captain…but think we grasping at straws. Also which foreigner would be likely be available? Think majority are all committed to jobs

  • Comment 56, posted at 21.10.16 12:54:05 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 56) :Mac was a massive step away from the boerewors curtain when he was appointed,it was a huge move to hire a Rhodesian.

  • Comment 57, posted at 21.10.16 12:58:01 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 55) : If things continue the way they are going now they will soon be desperate enough for alternative solutions. I just cannot see us making any significant progress with AC there unfortunately, but that’s my opinion. On the positive side, I think the coaching indaba was a good thing as well as the assistants coming in, I’m hoping for it to at least make us competitive again and get the guys playing with some unity and a sense of pride in the jersey.

  • Comment 58, posted at 21.10.16 13:17:45 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 58) : The Indaba was definitely a good thing as it got the SA rugby people talking and trying to problem solve. Players conditioning, contracting and skills development were the 3 main things to come out of it so hopefully we see some focus towards that going forward- it wont be an instant fix thats for sure. Something we also have to bear in mind…not every decision made by SARU is 100% based on achieving better rugby results.

  • Comment 59, posted at 21.10.16 13:28:14 by SheldonK Reply

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  • So Brendon Venter who facilitated the Bok Rugby Indaba has apparently agreed to help Italy with their defense over these November internationals including the game vs the Boks. Clearly his priority is SA rugby doing well. And yes very ironic the same guy that forgot to coach Sharks defense is now a defensive consultant

  • Comment 60, posted at 21.10.16 14:07:32 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 60) : This guy is the quintessential,rugby whore.

  • Comment 61, posted at 21.10.16 14:16:22 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 61) : Should put that on his CV :mrgreen:

  • Comment 62, posted at 21.10.16 14:22:19 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 59) : really or as Hound says,Kumba Ya

  • Comment 63, posted at 21.10.16 16:36:42 by benji Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 60) : @The hound (Comment 61) : @SheldonK (Comment 62) : the most overated BS er ever,that CC win still smacked of Jake tac tics

  • Comment 64, posted at 21.10.16 16:38:09 by benji Reply
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  • There was talk of clive woodward interested in the sharks job after plumtree was let go.plumtree joined the irish asfwd coach.eddie jones signed to coach the stormers.john mitchell and carlos spencer coached the lions.definitely think if the bok coaching positions were made available to foreigners, there could be some interesting names that might apply for the various positions.someone like gordon tietjens is no longer nz7s coach (perhaps skills coach?).mouneimne would certainly add an aggresive mindset to bok tackling.

  • Comment 65, posted at 21.10.16 17:32:59 by 50shadesofshark3 Reply

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  • So Brendan Venter off to coach Italy defence against boks in less than a month after getting free info in an “indaba” he personally chairs… With friends like these who needs enenemies? I dont blame Venter though. As jy dom is moet jy kak.

  • Comment 66, posted at 21.10.16 21:03:00 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 60) : haha sorry man. Stole your post without checking.

  • Comment 67, posted at 21.10.16 21:09:37 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 61) : @benji (Comment 64) : I cant get myself to blame him personally. He’s clubbing some of the dumbest dumbfuck baby seals to ever walk this planet and making money out of it. Good for him

  • Comment 68, posted at 21.10.16 21:14:02 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 64) : impressive, given that it came a good 2 months before Jake started as Sharks coach.

  • Comment 69, posted at 22.10.16 14:20:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 67) : No problem emphasizing the point

  • Comment 70, posted at 24.10.16 08:13:58 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 69) : Thats some serious forward thinking there

  • Comment 71, posted at 24.10.16 08:14:44 by SheldonK Reply

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  • FRANCO SMITH, ONE OF THE MOST ATTACK-MINDED COACHES IN SOUTH AFRICA, WILL BE HELPING THE SPRINGBOKS WITH THEIR KICKING ‘SKILLS’.

    This bombshell was dropped on the unsuspecting media at a briefing in Johannesburg on Wednesday by assistant coach Johann van Graan.

    “Coach Allister is the head coach and he makes all the calls,” Van Graan said of Coetzee, adding that he creates a “brilliant environment” for the coaching panel.

    “We have had some in-depth discussion the last few days about roles,” he said, adding: “Franco will mostly handle the kicking game and bring in one or two new ideas, which have the buy-in of the entire team.”

    http://www.rugby365.com/countries/south-africa/75759-bok-bomb-franco-gets-kicking-role :???:

  • Comment 72, posted at 26.10.16 20:58:35 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 72) : genius pure genius!!! How can they fail!!! Maybe get Ackers in to help Lambie with fullback play and Fleck as scrum consultant!!!

  • Comment 73, posted at 26.10.16 22:10:42 by JD Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 72) : Perhaps a miscommunication and they meant attacking game rather than kicking game? Or maybe he will handle the phasing out of the kicking game? Just making sense of the madness. Thought Louis Koen was there for kicking?

  • Comment 74, posted at 27.10.16 07:48:22 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 74) : maybe Koen will be scrum coach!?!?!

  • Comment 75, posted at 27.10.16 09:02:58 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 75) : Sounds reasonable. Seems the general consensus is that Franco is allocated that role for press and public purposes so as not to undermind Stick as Franco will be basically looking after the backline in practice.

  • Comment 76, posted at 27.10.16 09:31:37 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 76) : big joke is nobody is fooled by it as everyone knows that’s exactly what’s going to happen!!

  • Comment 77, posted at 01.11.16 15:54:50 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 77) : You would be surprised by how many are easily fooled and hang on every word of a press release…

  • Comment 78, posted at 01.11.16 16:03:43 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 78) : ja well if it’s in the press or on the internet we all know it must be true!!!

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