Richard Ferguson

Kriel out, Rohan in


Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :End of Year Tour, Original Content, Springboks on 7 Nov 2016 at 08:12
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The unfortunate news from the Springbok camp this morning is that Jesse Kriel is heading home. He hurt his leg in the match against the Barbarians this weekend, and will take no further part in the tour.

The good news from this, or silver lining, is that Rohan Janse van Rensburg has been called up as his replacement. It seems the young centre did enough to impress coach Allister Coetzee, and he could very well be in line for his real Springbok debut this week.

Another rising star, Jamba Ulengo, is also staying with the Springbok squad. He will remain there as cover for Ruan Combrinck, Willie le Roux and JP Petersen. Le Roux and Petersen both picked up knocks playing in their individual leagues this weekend.

It is the end of the tour for Cheslin Kolbe, Tian Schoeman, Uzair Cassiem, RG Snyman and Lizo Gqoboka while the overseas based players join the team in preparation of taking on England at Twickenham this weekend.



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  • I hope Kolbe, Schoeman and Cassiem at least got some good sight seeing in. Jesse Kriel just didnt look right all game on Saturday and perhaps should never have toured in the first place.
    I though Van Rensburg and Venter showed good promise as a centre combo. I wont be surprised to see De Allende and De Jongh start this weekend though.

  • Comment 1, posted at 07.11.16 08:52:31 by SheldonK Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 1) :

    Im not surprised by anything anymore..

    Kriel looked like a centre playing at fullback, to be honest, so I reckon the damage has been done. With news that Willie might also not be 100%, does it mean Lambie moves back to fullback?

  • Comment 2, posted at 07.11.16 09:09:35 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 2) : I think Goosen will start at 15 if Willie is not good to go. Combrinck could also feature at 15 especially if both Habana and JPP are fit

  • Comment 3, posted at 07.11.16 09:18:11 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 1) : de Jongh isn’t with the squad – injured.

    Options:
    DDA & Mapoe
    DDA & Venter
    DDA & JPP

    RJvR & Mapoe
    RJvR & Venter
    RJvR & JPP

  • Comment 4, posted at 07.11.16 09:27:42 by Baylion Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 3) :

    Ah yes, Goosen. Combrinck wasn’t terrible at fullback, but I would prefer him on the wing. That is his position..

  • Comment 5, posted at 07.11.16 09:32:49 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 4) :

    I would hate it if AC was to select JPP in the centres, with the form Venter is in currently…

  • Comment 6, posted at 07.11.16 09:33:20 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Must say I enjoyed Van Rensburg’s commitment on defense – even though his technique seems to need a lot of work. He seemed to pop up all over the place trying to hunt the Baabaas down.

  • Comment 7, posted at 07.11.16 09:43:22 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • My only worry on the weekend was the backlines lack of communication… It seems like several times there was a set move and people didn’t know what lines they were meant to run or for whom the ball was intended which lead to the ball hitting the turf or fumbling and the same seemed to be said for the defense. I realise this can all be fixed but what is the chances its going to come right quickly

  • Comment 8, posted at 07.11.16 09:58:36 by Warren Harvey Reply

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  • @Warren Harvey (Comment 8) :

    I think the team was stuck together for this match and not a lot of effort was put into their communication, knowing that an almost entire new team will be running out against England.

    I am not endorsing it, it was poor, but it may be that the thinking was behind getting the set pieces right rather.

    If logic is to prevail, it should be significantly better this week. We can only but hope…

  • Comment 9, posted at 07.11.16 10:07:14 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Warren Harvey (Comment 8) : @Richard Ferguson (Comment 9) : Please tell me why that backline gets stick as a result of a feeble 9 and a pretend 10, if Ellis and Du Preez were in Bok team would have been different story, that Du Preez showed exactly why Bambie is no 10,leave this backline, they have serious potential with the proper 9 and 10 service

  • Comment 10, posted at 07.11.16 10:13:55 by benji Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 7) : In a similar vein, I see a lot of critics taking aim at van Rensburg’s defensive frailties on Twitter and jumping to the conclusion that this makes him unready for the Boks until those shortcomings are addressed. I find this reasoning strange though as the Boks haven’t fielded a strong defensive 12 (or 13 for that matter) at any point this year if memory serves*. Am I forgetting anyone?

    So, at this point, do we really lose anything by giving Rohan a go?**

    *The Bok defensive system (or lack thereof) probably needs to take some blame here too
    **And yes, in a perfect world we’d pick a defensively solid midfield instead of asking questions like this

  • Comment 11, posted at 07.11.16 10:14:14 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 10) :

    I’m sorry, but if you think that any other flyhalf in South Africa would have done better than Lambie did with the rubbish service he received, I would love to kow who he is. Might I remind you Dan Carter is both retired and an All Black.

    Silly statement dude..

  • Comment 12, posted at 07.11.16 10:23:32 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 11) :

    I recall RJvR putting in some massive hits, and although he missed a few tackles, which player in the backline didnt?

    He is the first 12 this year, and maybe even for the last few years, to get the ball over the advantage line without just bashing it up. He was under a lot of pressure to show why he deserves to be in the team, and I think he proved it.

    Those critics should remind themselves that Damian revolving door De Allende is the first choice here, and not only does he miss tackles, he goes backwards with ball in hand and kills the ball in contact.

    Give Rohan five Bok caps and you will see what a 12 in Green and Gold should look like..

  • Comment 13, posted at 07.11.16 10:26:16 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 12) : I think that Lambie and RJvR struggled to find each other during the first half (new combinations?) and we often had Swys Venter crash-balling in the 12 channel. During the first half Lambie stood deep and the backline seldom started on the front foot, mostly from a standing start. This changed when Piet van Zyl came on and the backline play benefited.

    Paige and Lambie didn’t gel well

  • Comment 14, posted at 07.11.16 10:30:24 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 4) : Ah i didnt even realise that. Guess that makes things more interesting as Kriel now injured so would be a new combo anyway so then may as well just play Van Rensburg and Venter…

  • Comment 15, posted at 07.11.16 10:34:06 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 14) :

    They didn’t gel well, you are correct.

    Should they both simply be dropped as a result? Don’t think so…

    But fuckit, Bambie is so kak, bring back Elton and wait for the 50 point whalloping the Boks will receive against the Poms.. Or better yet, bring in du Preez, he is the next saviour of South African rugby.. Until the next young Cape school boy successfully side steps the neighbourhood tap, then he will become the Bok saviour..

  • Comment 16, posted at 07.11.16 10:37:00 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 11) : if we want a defensive 12, we have to pick Andre Esterhuizen. He’s the only guy who actually brings credibility and proven track record to that argument.

    I’m not saying we should pick him ahead of someone like RjvR, just pointing out that we need to decide whether defence is more important than attacking skill and if so, stop buggering around and pick the guy who fits that mould.

  • Comment 17, posted at 07.11.16 10:39:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 16) : I think benji wants Fred Zeilinga to play for the Boks. Just putting it out there so you can put the rest of his opinions into their proper context.

  • Comment 18, posted at 07.11.16 10:40:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 16) : I would play Faf or van Zyl with Lambie, or Paige with Jantjies.

  • Comment 19, posted at 07.11.16 10:42:01 by Baylion Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 18) :

    One has to wonder how many different versions of the same game SuperSport show the world?!

  • Comment 20, posted at 07.11.16 10:43:51 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 19) :

    In all honesty, Paige shouldn’t even carry the Boks’ drinks onto the field, he will either drop it or it will never arrive.

    Seriously though, Paige was really bad this weekend, and one has to wonder what the plan is with him, seeing as he isnt improving after 5 Test Caps..

  • Comment 21, posted at 07.11.16 10:46:00 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • I watched the Toulon/Lyon game yesterday and Duanne Vermullen not only played the full game but he was very strong.The commentators mentioned a few times that it was vey strange that he was considered to not be match fit for the EOYT,especiallydue to the fact that he withdrew himself.
    There’s deep shit in that Bok camp when the guy who should be leading the team refuses to play.

  • Comment 22, posted at 07.11.16 10:48:34 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 22) :

    He is also very vocal about the shit in the Bok camp..

    One has to wonder how a guy who played under AC at Province, will be so difficult to get into the Bok setup under the same AC. Is it a broken relationship? Is there something else?

  • Comment 23, posted at 07.11.16 10:50:51 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 22) : I think its a combo of a few things. Him not wanting to play, SARu putting pressure not to select him due his outbursts, and pressure from Toulon on him not to play. I dont think its just 1 factor but a combo. Also majority of SA want Whiteley to captain and play 8

  • Comment 24, posted at 07.11.16 10:51:45 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 23) : Something happened before the Irish series when he was brought backbone would have thought to captain the team, and the next thing Straus was made captain.

  • Comment 25, posted at 07.11.16 10:52:59 by The hound Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 11) : I would personally want to stick with the Lambie, Van Rensburg and Venter combo. Couple of issues to resolve, but at least these guys look like they want to play.

  • Comment 26, posted at 07.11.16 10:55:41 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 24) : I don’t think Toulon have a problem,when he signed is with provisor that national duty takes prescendence ,

  • Comment 27, posted at 07.11.16 10:55:56 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 27) : I think them being fine with it is very far from the truth. Quite a few players have said that the French teams, especially Toulon, put pressure on their internationals to retire from International rugby. Leigh Halfpenny said he almost retired as a result and probably will after the Lions tour.

  • Comment 28, posted at 07.11.16 11:07:23 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 26) : I agree. The 10,12,13 combo was not one of the big issues from Saturday. The loose trio and our defense out wide were huge problems

  • Comment 29, posted at 07.11.16 11:08:25 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 20) : They must have showed the highlights package of the Bok / Babaa’s and Aus / Wales, Arg / Japan games abot 6 times on a loop before the Irish / NZ game started.

  • Comment 30, posted at 07.11.16 11:28:25 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 13) : Agreed. If DDA can be backed there’s no reason not to give Rohan a go.

    @robdylan (Comment 17) : I thought about mentioning both Andre and Frans in my original post but decided against raising too many points at the risk of muddying the waters but I’m glad you brought it up. I read an article by Gordon D’Arcy a few months back where he makes the argument that at international level you always pick your midfield based on their defensive capabilities first. Made a lot of sense to me.

  • Comment 31, posted at 07.11.16 11:30:55 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 26) : Could turn into a very exciting combination if they’re afforded the time to develop but Pollard returning will probably throw a spanner into the works.

  • Comment 32, posted at 07.11.16 11:32:37 by vanmartin Reply
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  • So what did you guys think of Lambie on Saturday? Other than the 2 kicks he missed I think he did fairly well as he was skip passing at the right time’s when there was open space to exploit and his decision making in terms of going himself, passing or kicking was mostly good especially for a guy who had a long lay-off but I’ve heard a couple of people complaining about him for some reason, did I miss something?

  • Comment 33, posted at 07.11.16 11:33:41 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 33) : I thought he was alright without being good or bad. I still think plays a bit deep or too far from the scrumhalf which means by the time the pass gets to him he is under pressure and so are those around him. His goal kicking wasnt great though but not as if he missed easy kicks all night. His tackling was fine and decision making a captain pretty good i thought as the team could easily have lost their way completely and lost that game. So if i had to score him perhaps a 6/10

  • Comment 34, posted at 07.11.16 11:42:01 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Van Rensburgh has a lot of Danie Gerber in his play, one of the British commentators mentioned it.

  • Comment 35, posted at 07.11.16 11:42:04 by The hound Reply
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  • Wonder what the chance of some continuity this weekend and this team announced:
    1. Beast 2. Strauss 3. Adriaanse 4. Etzebeth 5. PSDT 6. Smit 7. Mahoje 8. Whiteley 9. Paige 10. Lambie 11. Habana 12. Van Rensburg 13. Venter 14. JPP 15. Le Roux
    Bench: 16. Kitshoff 17. Marx 18. Koch 19. Snyman 20. DuPreez 21. De Klerk 22. Goosen 23. De Allende

  • Comment 36, posted at 07.11.16 12:06:25 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 36) : I would like to see,Marx start,Faf start, and Goosen at 13,Combrink in place of Habbanna,

  • Comment 37, posted at 07.11.16 12:11:59 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 37) : With Strauss being captain Marx starting is a no hope. I wouldnt mind the rest even though unlikely.

  • Comment 38, posted at 07.11.16 12:13:49 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 34) : Yeah that’s probably where I would rate as well at the moment but I think he’ll only get better as he shakes of some rust. He did look very calm with all the decisions he made and when he was talking to the team, which is what you need from your captain and FH.

    @The hound (Comment 37) : @SheldonK (Comment 38) : No way he would start if Strauss is there but I think we might see him come off the bench with Lambie/Whiteley taking over captaincy. He had a much better game than his previous start.

  • Comment 39, posted at 07.11.16 12:36:10 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 33) : Got to agree with SheldonK, he made the right decisions but he is standing far to deep and I feel that is my biggest criticism of him at the moment. I’d also like to see him take on the line more often, remember when he was “young” he’d do the “show and go” a lot more than he does now and more often than not it resulted in a line break. I’d like to see Lambie carry the ball but that isn’t going to happen with him standing so deep.

  • Comment 40, posted at 07.11.16 13:01:59 by Hulk Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 40) : Consequence of him being hit hard and the resultant injuries perhaps…

  • Comment 41, posted at 07.11.16 13:17:12 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 41) : Thought that when I posted.

  • Comment 42, posted at 07.11.16 13:21:41 by Hulk Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 17) : AE has a weakpoint in his defence though…yess he can hit blokes back into the stands when he makes a hit front on but hes weaknes is his big frame that battles to move/react fast enough.Ive seen how AE defends and ive picked up that he doesn’t like being exposed alone on defence or having to much space next to him and the next defender becuase he is so big and slow to close down the gap fast enough.A good solution for that is to make him defend as close to the rucks as possable where there is no gaps for opposition to run at wich forces them to make contact. One thing I must add though is that AE is Imo the most physical 12 in the world.Its not just his size but his strenth and aggresion in contact that could make him unique

  • Comment 43, posted at 07.11.16 13:45:38 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 43) : Is there a better defensive 12 in the country though? Or even with this weakness of his is AE still the best?

  • Comment 44, posted at 07.11.16 13:54:52 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Roelof Smit out of England match due to biceps injury. Uzair Cassiem on his way back to the UK apparently. Kwagga Smith would have been a better option

  • Comment 45, posted at 07.11.16 16:13:14 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 45) : Cassiem logging those voyager miles. Reckon DuPreez starts at 6 then.

  • Comment 46, posted at 07.11.16 16:18:30 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Marcell Coetzee, my kingdom for a Marcell Coetzee…

  • Comment 47, posted at 07.11.16 16:55:55 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 45) : Not really a like-for-like replacement. :???:

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  • @Baylion (Comment 45) : Do we not have ANY openside option…surely get someone there who would have that ability…Kwagga or anyone. Casiem is great…but I can’t see us being able to pick even a halfway balanced loose trio from the squad there at the moment… :shock:

  • Comment 49, posted at 07.11.16 18:18:11 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 4) : I have a strange feeling it’s going to be DDA JPP combination!!!

  • Comment 50, posted at 07.11.16 18:19:20 by JD Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 22) : @Richard Ferguson (Comment 23) : @SheldonK (Comment 24) : leave him at Toulon and pick the players that want to play otherwise the play kak because Boohoo they’re unhappy! Play Cassiem or Ginger at 8 both also physical players but still hungry to play for Bokke and will do their best not just arrive for the match fee!!!

  • Comment 51, posted at 07.11.16 18:25:33 by JD Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 49) : Bugger!! Send Brussow a SOS, with a wee gift card :grin:

  • Comment 52, posted at 07.11.16 18:27:33 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 44) : I really don’t get the fixation with AE. What are you guys seeing that I don’t. Or is it simply a Sharks bias. Serious question?

  • Comment 53, posted at 07.11.16 18:29:00 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 46) : going to be Alberts, PSDT and Whiteley.

  • Comment 54, posted at 07.11.16 18:29:29 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 45) : @SheldonK (Comment 46) : @Southern_Shark (Comment 47) : @pastorshark (Comment 49) : sorry to say but except for Marcell and Louw I really can’t see another SA open side to replace him. He was the only real open side that went on tour and in case of injury they will stick to the original squad that was picked for Barbarians.

  • Comment 55, posted at 07.11.16 18:30:45 by JD Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 52) : Yes…I read he is not available…anyone know why?

  • Comment 56, posted at 07.11.16 18:32:53 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 53) : I think they are only talking defence. Who are the defensively strong 12′s we have?

  • Comment 57, posted at 07.11.16 18:34:00 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 54) : With Du Preez on the bench

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  • @JD (Comment 55) : But Smit was already the only openside in BOTH squads…

  • Comment 59, posted at 07.11.16 18:36:02 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 12) : I tire of this argument actually. Every scrum half Lambie has played with has been crap according to the Sharks faithful? Fuggit lets fetch Joost to partner Lambie.
    So Ruan Pienaar was crap, Reinach was crap, Fourie du Preez was crap, and Hougie was crap?

  • Comment 60, posted at 07.11.16 18:39:03 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 57) : The strongest 12 defensively is Esterhuizen but he is not there, We have to take into account it was a totally new back line that did not know each other at all, For example besides Petersen being a speed bump the other defensive errors came when one of the centers for example ran out of the defensive lines and left gaps. just like Nizam did.

  • Comment 61, posted at 07.11.16 18:43:16 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • One thing I noticed is the intensity in the faces of this current team the real dissapointment in their faces when they make a mistake. That kind of commitment we won’t get from the overseas fat cats … I say keep the team from last week with maybe faf in for Paige and Combrinck in at wing or fullback. Or Goosen if he is ready to take on fullback again with Combrinck on wing and Petersen on other wing with Ulengo as their sub Leave Pietersen and Habana out entirely. Oh and lastly just one fetcher please, the turnovers was Shamefull. Akker really put his fellow countrymen to shame at the loose play.

  • Comment 62, posted at 07.11.16 18:44:07 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 60) : That’s B mate, go watch the game again and open both eyes, you will find the extra work Lambie was doing because other back line players were out of position, like in defense, I am not saying for one minute he was brilliant but to say he was poor or indicate he was poor is BS.

    As for Brussow he is the one i would send a message to to come play at 6 simple solution.

  • Comment 63, posted at 07.11.16 18:45:56 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • We have to bring back some experienced players or we will get a drubbing of note,

  • Comment 64, posted at 07.11.16 18:47:40 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 63) : I must say when ban zyl came on the pace picked up and we weren’t getting caught behind as much. We need a scrummie with quick crop service. I don’t see why we can’t give faf another shot.

  • Comment 65, posted at 07.11.16 18:48:49 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 63) : I must say when van zyl came on the pace picked up and we weren’t getting caught behind as much. We need a scrummie with quick crisp service. I don’t see why we can’t give faf another shot.

  • Comment 66, posted at 07.11.16 18:49:24 by coolfusion Reply

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  • I get that Lambie is still rusty, and frankly the Bok management aren’t doing him any favours. He was shunted to FB, then given the captaincy at FH. If Lambie is the chosen one at FH, then back him. I personally think he should have been allowed to regain his confidence first. AC, had the option of playing Goosen at 10, but he missed a trick again. Dropped Goosen, even forgetting that he was the best attacking back we had. Then shifts a out of form, low on confidence Lambie to FH.

    I don’t knock Lambie, who is a fine player, but give the guy a fair shot. He was laid low for a few months. HM did the same to Goosen, rushed him back to save his own ass, and almost wrecked a young players career.

  • Comment 67, posted at 07.11.16 18:49:27 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 57) : Hmmmm didn’t think a 12 should be categorised as offensive or defensive. I think the defensive strategy needs to be looked at.
    Cheetahs used a rush defence to good effect, and they benefitted from continuity.

  • Comment 68, posted at 07.11.16 18:52:58 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 62) : Goosen? Jeepers! He played ok for the boks, was our back with the most points scored, and running meters, but gets dropped for Lambie, that just came back from injury. Honestly, I don’t figure AC’s thinking.
    He should have shifted Goosen to FH, instead of reverting to Morne Steyn.

  • Comment 69, posted at 07.11.16 18:59:59 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • With players there this is the team i would select, Take into account it is not including a player like Brussow which could or should have been called up.

    15 Combrink
    14 JPP
    13 Venter
    12 Rohan
    11 Habana
    10 Lambie (VC)
    09 Faf
    08 Whitely (Capt)
    07 Alberts
    06 Du Preez ( I would have called up Brussow )
    05 PSDT
    04 Eben
    03 Adriaanse
    02 Marx
    01 Beast

    16 Adriaan
    17 Nyakane
    18 Koch
    19 Lood
    20 Carr
    21 Paige
    22 Goosen
    23 Jumbo/Le Roux

  • Comment 70, posted at 07.11.16 19:03:47 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 66) : It did ur right, sadly come Saturday you will find Paige starting, I would start Faf, English do not know him or what to expect.

  • Comment 71, posted at 07.11.16 19:05:26 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 53) : OK let me try and give you an unbiast clear view.
    As a youngster (under 20) AE showed HUGE potential! So yes Sharks supporters will rate him as he’s also the guy that took over from FS as the Sharks physical no 12.
    Personally I think just like previous Sharks no 12 (FS, Riaan Swanepoel, etc) I think the obsession with having a big no 12 is going to be a draw back in his career as he will lose stepping abilities (agility) to be a big and physical crash ball dummy! He needs to lose a bit of bulk (as I’m sure he can be a bit lighter and still have the physical presence) and work on his offloading and other skills then he will deliver on all that promise!

  • Comment 72, posted at 07.11.16 19:06:13 by JD Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 66) : Look at the team I selected #70 I know some may not agree but i guarantee you come test day?? players like Habana and JPP step up a gear

  • Comment 73, posted at 07.11.16 19:07:24 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 72) : Actually had AE played 14 for the Boks on Saturday that over weight Fijian would not have gotten away with what he did.

  • Comment 74, posted at 07.11.16 19:09:15 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 70) :
    15 Goosen
    14 JPP
    13 Venter
    12 Rohan
    11 Habana
    10 Lambie
    09 Faf
    08 Alberts
    07 PSDT
    06 Du Preez ( I would have called up Brussow )
    05 Lood
    04 Eben
    03 Adriaanse
    02 Strauss (Will need his accuracy)
    01 Beast

    16 Marx
    17 Nyakane
    18 Koch
    19 Mostert
    20 Whitely
    21 v Zyl
    22 Combrinck
    23 Le Roux

    Without a fetcher, we simply have to dominate the set pieces, and out muscle the Poms. PSDT has the skill and pace. That gives us so many line out options its scary, and I don’t see that pack back peddling.

  • Comment 75, posted at 07.11.16 19:09:19 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 68) : Just pointing out what the gist of that discussion was…

  • Comment 76, posted at 07.11.16 19:11:01 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 75) : I could live with that team.

    Whats your thought on Sharks no 8 VD Walt?? In my view he should he Bok 8, amazing season.

  • Comment 77, posted at 07.11.16 19:11:17 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 72) : I hear you bud. Lets hope that he can outgrow that expectation. To me he seems to focus too much on the bully boy attitude.

  • Comment 78, posted at 07.11.16 19:13:18 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 75) : PSDT at 8 is good idea just like i believe Pollard could or should be the Bok 12, I am Lood fan, but he has had a poor season but of late gets carded a lot????? it does worry me, but yeah on form he is superb.

  • Comment 79, posted at 07.11.16 19:13:38 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 75) : Agreed…spot on…

  • Comment 80, posted at 07.11.16 19:14:05 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 75) : I take it Adriaan capt and Lambie VC in your team?

  • Comment 81, posted at 07.11.16 19:22:08 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 59) : exactly my point!

  • Comment 82, posted at 07.11.16 19:24:08 by JD Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 77) : Absolutely. IMHO, vd Walt was already the premier 8 in our domestic rugby in 2013 before he went overseas. He has it all that lad. Yes better than WW. Warren disappears when the game is tight, and flourishes in an open game. Ginger can play both equally comfortably.

  • Comment 83, posted at 07.11.16 19:24:38 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 81) : I would still keep Lambie at captain, AC has made the call, and seeing Strauss is quitting test rugby, let Lambie get more exposure in the role.

  • Comment 84, posted at 07.11.16 19:26:04 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 74) : neither would he if JPP played against him!

  • Comment 85, posted at 07.11.16 19:27:27 by JD Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 84) : ok cool, and yes i reckon VD Walt is very underrated

  • Comment 86, posted at 07.11.16 19:28:31 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 85) : For sure.

  • Comment 87, posted at 07.11.16 19:30:25 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 70) : @KingCheetah (Comment 75) : sorry to say but with Pat Rohan and Venter at 10, 12, 13 the Pommies is going to attack the the Bok mid field and if the loosies don’t cover behind them the fullback is going to have to tackle his ass off as there will be a lot of mid field breaks through that Bok defence.

  • Comment 88, posted at 07.11.16 19:32:47 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 88) : I would love to see a combo of AE @ 12 and Rohan at 13

  • Comment 89, posted at 07.11.16 19:36:18 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 88) : Look i reckon the coaching is lacking when it comes to defense,

    On Saturday both Venter and Rohan messed up in defense by running our of the defensive lives, surely they must decide which type of defense they are playing?? all rush or all slow staying back but in one line??

  • Comment 90, posted at 07.11.16 19:37:20 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 88) : Defence is over-rated. Score more tries and defence become irrelevant (to a degree)

  • Comment 91, posted at 07.11.16 19:38:11 by Baylion Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 85) : Peterson will have to learn to tackle low around the ankles. Breytie did that quite effectively. Serge’s attacking prowess is sublime, but he will have to work out a tackle technique that makes up for his lack of size.

  • Comment 92, posted at 07.11.16 19:38:56 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 88) : I guess it will take a few games to build an understanding. So yes till then the team as a whole will have to scramble. Not ideal, but it is where we are.

  • Comment 93, posted at 07.11.16 19:43:31 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 92) : yes if he want to play international rugby he will have to do something to improve otherwise the other teams will just let big guys run over him all day long!

  • Comment 94, posted at 07.11.16 19:45:53 by JD Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 90) : like you said both Ronan and Venter rushed up leaving gaps and lots of players missed “easy” tackles and sorry although the coaches have to take some blame you can’t just blame them as players at international level should do better than what they did Saturday!!! Rohan, Venter and Sergeal was probably the worst defensive players.

  • Comment 95, posted at 07.11.16 19:52:05 by JD Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 91) : hahaha but not at international level then you should not miss “easy” tackles like they did on Saturday!

  • Comment 96, posted at 07.11.16 19:53:19 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 95) : @JD (Comment 95) : Look I agree 100%
    if we made out tackles on Saturday things could have been very different, I mean Petersen was not even a speed bump, he went flying around like a rag doll.

  • Comment 97, posted at 07.11.16 19:57:18 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 97) : mid field was not a lot better but without the excuse of being 40kg odd lighter than their opposition!

  • Comment 98, posted at 07.11.16 20:08:45 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 82) : Sure…I’m being incredulous about the Boks replacing our last openside flanker in the squad with a 412th blindside flanker. I may be exaggerating a touch, but am struggling to understand the thinking…

  • Comment 99, posted at 07.11.16 21:27:24 by pastorshark Reply
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  • No comments about WP Rugby pty ltd being liquidated…kind of puts our financial issues into some sort of perspective…

  • Comment 100, posted at 07.11.16 21:41:01 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 99) : the problem started when AC only picked 1 open side and 412 blind side flanks!!! He can’t (or rather will not) change those original players as it will show that he stuffed up when picking the original squads!!!

  • Comment 101, posted at 07.11.16 22:23:46 by JD Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 100) : yes this for sure shows that it’s more than only Sharks that’s in financial trouble. Wonder how Cheetahs, Lions and Bulls finances looks?
    The WP thing however looks to me (who is no specialist in the field) as if they’re trying to get out of some badly negotiated agreements rather than being bankrupt.

  • Comment 102, posted at 07.11.16 22:31:24 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 101) : That’s right…it still doesn’t prevent my mind from being boggled, though, when that ONE opensider is injured and then replaced with ANOTHER blindsider. It would be like replacing your last flyhalf with another scrumhalf because they are both halfbacks… :shock: Maybe I should just sigh and move on… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 103, posted at 08.11.16 06:35:23 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Boks MIA, mostly injured:
    Frans Malherbe
    Julian Redelinghuys
    Francois Louw
    Duane Vermeulen – Not available
    Handre Pollard
    Jan Serfontein
    Roelof Smit
    Jaco Kriel
    Jesse Kriel
    Jannie du Plessis – Not available. Only listed as he was originally called up but withdrew
    Lwazi Mvovo
    Coenie Oosthuizen
    Siya Kolisi
    Francois Hougaard
    Juan de Jongh
    Sikhumbuzo Notshe
    Marcell Coetzee
    Heinrich Brussow – Not sure what’s the story
    Bryan Habana – Niggle, might not be available for Saturday

  • Comment 104, posted at 08.11.16 06:50:55 by Baylion Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 103) : well the fullback got injured and he was replaced by an inside centre!?!? Just shake your head let it go as trying to find reason will drive you mad!!!

  • Comment 105, posted at 08.11.16 08:15:40 by JD Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 104) : hope some of them stay MIA for a very long time!!!

  • Comment 106, posted at 08.11.16 08:17:46 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 106) : Ja, whether we want some of them back is a different issue :)

  • Comment 107, posted at 08.11.16 09:32:06 by Baylion Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 53) : The quick answer to your question on AE is that he is the best defensive 12 in SA currently. His stats and tackle completion confirm that. Yes as pointed out he apparently has a defensive weakness but that is overshadowed by all the other 12s defensive weakness. I have been critical of his attacking ability as i feel he needs to add more strings to his bow but he has improved that slowly this year so hoping that continues in 2017. I still think the best centre combo in SA is Van Rensburg and Venter…although Frans Steyn could have a massive impact at 12.

  • Comment 108, posted at 08.11.16 09:33:19 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 103) : According to AC Cassiem has played 8 occasionally, and 8 and 6 are similar positions

  • Comment 109, posted at 08.11.16 09:36:11 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 109) : To him they probably are,

  • Comment 110, posted at 08.11.16 09:39:41 by The hound Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 109) : @The hound (Comment 110) : ?!?!?!?! Not even going to start to comment on that!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 111, posted at 08.11.16 12:47:22 by JD Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 91) : I don’t agree with that statement on international level. How many times did SP sit on his ass and how many tries did he score? That’s only one example. You need good defense at that level, whether you like it or not.

    @SheldonK (Comment 108) : I agree there, he needs to work on his attacking attributes, but he has definitely improved his attacking play from 2015-2016, all be it just slightly, if he can build on it next year he’ll be right up there with the best. Also agree on our current best combo of Rohan and Venter, but I think one of them will have to wait for their chance as AC will play de Jong,let us hope and pray that is not the case. We’ll see in a couple of hours.

  • Comment 112, posted at 10.11.16 09:29:11 by Quintin Reply

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