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Allister – no news is, well, no news


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 26 Jan 2017 at 13:03
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Despite plenty of unsubstantiated rumours form dodgy sources, the truth is that there is no official word yet on the future of the Bok coaching team under Allister Coetzee.

Fans and other stakeholders are, rightly, furious after a 2016 season that must rank as one of the worst ever for the Springboks. Coetzee and his assistants have born the brunt of the anger and it is widely expected – at least in the minds of the average punter – that the coach will be shown the door.

SA Rugby have instituted a review process and (in response to the rumours) have today confirmed that they will release the results of that review towards the end of next week. For those of us more interested in solid facts than fake news, I’d advise to steer clear of the rumour mill and wait for the official announcement next week.



71 Comments

  • Geez ive heard a lot of possible outcomes that some swear are the gospel truth. Will be interesting to see how this develops but one thing is for sure…we seem to be heading for another year of Bok instability

  • Comment 1, posted at 26.01.17 13:11:48 by SheldonK Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 1) : Its a shame that its dragged for so long. its unfortunate that politics play such a big role in our rugby. I am sure if there was no such involvement AC would have seen the door before the end of the season last year. I suspect that SARU will let him carry on with the French test series as then they can impose his performance clause which was ironically left out of his first year in charge, to save on his payout to get rid of him.

  • Comment 2, posted at 26.01.17 13:56:51 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • This is probably another case of the worst kept secret in SA.

    My prediction is Coetzee keeps his job and is told to improve his win ratio in 2017.

  • Comment 3, posted at 26.01.17 14:00:43 by Hulk Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 2) : Yeh i think you are possibly right. It just boggles the mind that after such a year its taken them over 2 months so decide on something. And we wonder why things are a shambles. The All Blacks have already had their first camp

  • Comment 4, posted at 26.01.17 14:06:35 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I find Coetzee to be a completely spineless person.He knows he is sub par and cannot do the job, but he hangs in there like a zunglenut on a cow’s arse.
    He made R4 million last year, while youngsters playing super rugby for the Kings went without pay.
    He now gets another chance, and I don’t think that one person who reads /contributes to this site thinks that he will do any better than his abysmal performance last year.But like that clown at the SABC he refuses to go.

  • Comment 5, posted at 26.01.17 14:06:59 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 4) : Like I said there is only one word. Politics.

  • Comment 6, posted at 26.01.17 14:16:51 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 5) : I also wouldnt go if thats the money i would miss out on. Its why performance clauses are key.

  • Comment 7, posted at 26.01.17 14:41:09 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 5) : there’s hope the guy from the SABC eventually resigned!!! But don’t think AC will do so but we can hope…………….. #lethopeneverdie

  • Comment 8, posted at 26.01.17 22:54:41 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 7) : Correct. I would take flak from powerless fans and opposition all day long for that kind of paycheck. Besides I think he has a friend in fikile so he has a heavy hitter in his corner.

  • Comment 9, posted at 27.01.17 06:13:30 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 9) : If i were AC and i knew there was no performance clause and that was the pay out…id just rock up to press conferences and just smile and wave :mrgreen:

  • Comment 10, posted at 27.01.17 07:51:02 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 10) : Which is exactly what he does except for the smiling part,

  • Comment 11, posted at 27.01.17 08:15:52 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 11) : Makes me miss those pearlers from PDivvy press conferences

  • Comment 12, posted at 27.01.17 08:25:23 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 12) : At least you know that no matter what happens we cannot get anyone worse than Coetzee,even God forbid ,Gary Gold neck chain,would be a step up.

  • Comment 13, posted at 27.01.17 08:29:58 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 10) : Yeah as far as I understand he has a performance based release clause but it’s only effective from his 2nd year of his contract onward.

    @The hound (Comment 13) : I can’t understand how can one person be so naive or ignorant to the fact that he is not suited for the job he is trying to do. It really looks like he believes he doesn’t carry that much responsibility for the Bok performances last year.

  • Comment 14, posted at 27.01.17 08:58:49 by Quintin Reply

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  • So are there any substance to some other media outlets linking Rassie with the Bok job? Everything seems to contradict that info because he only recently signed a contract at Munster and his legal representative says he’s very happy there. This is pretty much the only site you can get credible info from.

  • Comment 15, posted at 27.01.17 09:11:54 by Quintin Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 13) : Ah i wouldnt speak too soon…remember you thought Heykene Meyer was terrible then we got AC…meneer Stick is just waiting to prove you wrong ;)

  • Comment 16, posted at 27.01.17 09:12:40 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 14) : He is in denial, he honestly thinks that nothing is his fault and i he is partially right.
    The people who put him in the job knew his limitations when they appointed him,I can’t believe they were that stupid that they believed he could do the job
    Something else went wrong here, the checks and balances that should have been put in place to counter his glaring inadequacies all went south.
    My worry is that when he is eventually culled, the same turkeys will be charged with finding his replacement..

  • Comment 17, posted at 27.01.17 09:13:38 by The hound Reply
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  • @Quintin (Comment 15) : Rassie wouldnt be available till end of the European season at the earliest so no chance he takes over now. At best he comes in for the Rugby Championship but that would require some serious money thrown at him and a long contract and would require no political interference and also would require Rassie to go a little mad and agree to coach the Boks. So yeh lots of ifs…

  • Comment 18, posted at 27.01.17 09:18:09 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 17) : Well here’s to hoping they learn from their mistakes :roll: He get’s paid 4mil last year to take us to a new low point, if they give him another shot it would be disgraceful but seeing that money is the boss these days they will probably give him the France tests at least before they can trigger his performance clause.

    @SheldonK (Comment 18) : My question is, even if he makes himself available, is he the right man for the job? Who are our other viable options? There simply has to be an adequate coach out there(surely better than AC) that is willing to take the job.

  • Comment 19, posted at 27.01.17 10:36:28 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 19) : The best thing for Bok rugby would be to point an outside coach who comes into the job with no preferences,loyalties or preconceptions.
    A guy who can look at our game with fresh non partisan eyes, and before anyone has a full go at me, look what exactly that type of outsider has done in one season with England.
    I got so excited when there was talk of Dave Rennie.
    but even more excited when I saw what Robbie Deans and Will Greenwood did for young South Africans in the latest Baa Baa team,Rob do Preez, jnr, Akker ,

  • Comment 20, posted at 27.01.17 10:49:17 by The hound Reply
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  • @Quintin (Comment 19) : Other viable options is the main problem. I asked that same question when people wanted Meyer gone…and well we got AC

  • Comment 21, posted at 27.01.17 10:49:35 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 20) : A foreign coach preferably from NZ would be my 1st option as well, but it’s up to SARU to take that step of actually putting it out there that they are open to the idea of a coach from overseas. The Stormers have a NZ’lander as a skills coach for SR this year. It will be interesting to see if he’s going to have a significant impact in the way they play, I will be keeping an eye on them this year for sure.

    @SheldonK (Comment 21) : As I said before, Bok coaches never stay longer than their 1st contract stated they will, they simply don’t do two terms so he was on his way regardless of what people wanted, we needed to find another coach anyway and unfortunately we got AC.

  • Comment 22, posted at 27.01.17 11:22:34 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 22) : The problem is in SA the job becomes impossible to continue after 4yrs which is why all are either pushed out or left of own accord. At the end of Meyer’s term there was nobody putting their name in the pot to coach, even AC was still overseas. In that scenario they should have retained Meyer on a year to year contract whilst looking for a replacement. Same situation now…AC isnt doing well…the press likes to put it out there that Rassie is interested even though both him and his agent have said no. They they spill garbage about Dave Rennie, again couldnt be further from the truth. Truth is nobody wants the job in its current format….well no coach of any stature. Best bet going forward is to insert the best assistants possible and maybe down the line some decent coach may show interest…unlikely but maybe.

  • Comment 23, posted at 27.01.17 11:41:40 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 23) : Yeah look we all know SARU isn’t handling our coaching selections well at all, they said we would be informed about what is happening to AC on the 13th Jan but we still haven’t heard anything from them. So for them to take a new initiative and employ a coach past his contract on a year to year basis just isn’t going to happen. I personally don’t believe that there aren’t any quality coaches out there that wouldn’t want the Bok job at all but our biggest problem in that regard is again SARU in negotiating promising enough contract(including selection policies) to make them agree finally, so I’m sure there are a couple of coaches out there willing to listen, but to actually take the bait is the problem.

  • Comment 24, posted at 27.01.17 12:05:30 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 24) : You say that there are good quality coaches out there that would want to coach but i disagree. The job as it is in its current format is not attractive to any good quality coach in my opinion and none are interested as evidenced by none having shown any interest. So a lot would have to change regarding the job in order to make it attractive…and i honestly cant see that happening

  • Comment 25, posted at 27.01.17 12:14:08 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 25) : Money talks mate and if there’s a quality coach out there who has just finished a project somewhere looking for another challenge the Bok job won’t seem as unattractive to some coaches as you think it is especially if they can dismiss AC without having to pay him the reported 13mil to get rid of him, there will be some extra cash to to make any deal a bit sweeter. I agree with you though that, like I said before, it will be up to SARU to negotiate an attractable contract though not just money wise and make a few changes for them to be able to get someone good to get on board but I think it is far from impossible to do, it depends on whether SARU is actually capable of making it happen.

  • Comment 26, posted at 27.01.17 14:42:34 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 26) : Unfortunately i dont think some of the changes can be decided by SARU alone. And it would have to be some serious money to entice a coach..again cant think of one person that has shown any interest. Only way to get rid of AC without paying is due to his 2nd year performance clause which may mean he sees out the year. As i said there are a serious number of Ifs that need to be satisfied to get in a quality coach and i just cannot see it happening…

  • Comment 27, posted at 27.01.17 14:50:48 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 12) : Ja at least he was entertaining. And he managed to get us to world cup semi, for all his faults. I have a feeling AC would have managed to mess up even an inherited world winning team.

  • Comment 28, posted at 27.01.17 17:07:59 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 18) : Ja I agree. Rassie just signed so I wouldn’t think he would be available on short notice.

  • Comment 29, posted at 27.01.17 17:09:17 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 28) : He only got us to a world cup quarter-final…where we ran into Bryce Lawrence…but ja…

  • Comment 30, posted at 27.01.17 22:50:58 by pastorshark Reply
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  • HOW DO YOU LIKE AC..THAT CLOWN, WE ARRPOACHED HIM TO HELP US SECURE MARCEL COETZEE’s SERVICES IN SA. HE DIDN’T OFFER MARCEL A BOK CONTRACT…8 MONTHS LATER HE WANTS THE SARU EXECUTIVE TO HELP HIM BRING MARCEL BACK TO SA BECAUSE MARCEL AND DUANE ARE NOW KEY TO HIS REVIVAL PLANS. IS ALLISTER COETZEE FOR REAL?? DOES HE EVEN KNOW WHAT HE WANTS OR WHICH PLAYER IS BEST IN HIS POSITION. HOW MARCEL WAS NOT OFFERED A BOK CONTRACT IS BEYOND ME. WE NOW RISK LOSING HIM TO PROVINCE SEEING THAT RUPERT IS IN THE MOOD TO BAIL THEM OUT. HOPE SAAD CAN HELP US BRING HIM BACK TO THE SHARKS.

  • Comment 31, posted at 29.01.17 15:42:26 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 31) : Twit…

  • Comment 32, posted at 30.01.17 05:50:58 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Well done to the Blitzbokke…super weekend in Wellington for them!!

  • Comment 33, posted at 30.01.17 05:52:24 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 33) : Not well done to the New Zealand crowd…how poor was that?!

  • Comment 34, posted at 30.01.17 05:53:17 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 31) : @pastorshark (Comment 32) : Maybe creating a chance for Marcel to go to province was AC’s plan all along… :x

  • Comment 35, posted at 30.01.17 06:02:06 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 34) : I doubt its a NZ problem more than a Wellington problem. They should move it to Dunedin. They will draw big student crowds there.

  • Comment 36, posted at 30.01.17 06:25:50 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 36) : Fair point…whatever the case, this weekend’s crowds were a tremendous disappointment…

  • Comment 37, posted at 30.01.17 08:02:00 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 36) : Yeh even one of the NZ rugby bosses has come out and said before the tournament that having it in Wellington has run its course. Think they should move it to a smaller place like you say Dunedin with the students etc.

  • Comment 38, posted at 30.01.17 08:36:52 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 38) : @pastorshark (Comment 37) : @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 36) : yes must say was a bit sad to see stadium so empty! Maybe “poor” form of AB 7′s also played a part in crowd attendance?!

  • Comment 39, posted at 30.01.17 09:11:49 by JD Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 35) : think you’re giving him way to much credit! Don’t think he can plan his way out of a paper bag!!!

  • Comment 40, posted at 30.01.17 09:13:40 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 39) : NZ seems to have downgraded the value of 7s rugby, just looking at their team selected etc. Seems they will focus on Olympics every 4yrs and just build up youngsters between the Olympic years

  • Comment 41, posted at 30.01.17 09:21:38 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 31) : Much as most of us dislike the idea of Allister Coetzee continuing as Bok coach using totally inaccurate “facts” is unnecessary, there are enough valid “facts” to use against him.

    - Marcell signed with Ulster before Coetzee was appointed
    - Overseas Boks do not get SARU contracts
    - Marcell was injured throughout the international season and couldn’t be selected for the Boks

  • Comment 42, posted at 30.01.17 09:26:25 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 42) : Seeing as its very likely that AC will continue, at least for the short-medium term. What do you think would be 3 simple and actionable plans that would enable both him and the Boks to improve in 2017?

  • Comment 43, posted at 30.01.17 09:40:29 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Play all the Lions :grin:

    Seriously though, I think he wasted a golden opportunity to get SA rugby fans behind him with a rebuilding and development programme for the Boks., regardless of his coaching staff.

    He made the right moves initially by selecting form players into his squad, in part forced by so many of HM’s geriatric Boks not being available, but he never had a clear plan for the growth during the year and instead came across as uncertain and incompetent.

    Hopefully the SA franchises will step up this year to provide more options but he needs to show a clear plan of progress, trust the form players to perform and not try to box them in like he did last year. Unfortunately he is similar to HM in that regard, he wants an over-structured game plan where players play by numbers but he will have to loosen up

  • Comment 44, posted at 30.01.17 10:07:02 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 44) : Whilst i do get your point it is quite vague in all you say is he must pick form players and have a plan. Not criticising that as i do feel its correct, i just feel there needs to be tangible action plans in place. So for me the 3 would be: 1. Whichever is the best performing SA side, the core of the Bok teams should be from that team. 2. The selection panel should comprise the 5 super rugby coaches. 3. Special attention should be made to ensure that the Bok set pieces (scrums/lineouts/kickoffs) are well drilled so that we dont forfeit 1st phase possession and penalities. I think those 3 would create a good solid base to work with.

  • Comment 45, posted at 30.01.17 10:37:28 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 39) : The crowds in Wellington have been a problem for a while now. They were talking about it before this tournament started. They tried a “Lord of the Rings” marketing blitz…that didn’t help. I agree…move it…

  • Comment 46, posted at 30.01.17 11:06:10 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 42) : You clearly missed this but there was a time Gary Gold was waiting for a meeting with Alister in order the determine if AC can help the Sharks keep Marcel. This was after Marcel had signed a contract with Ulster and whilst he was injured. The meeting was held with AC and Marcel ended up honoring his contract with Ulster. What I can therefore conclude is that Marcel had an exist clause in his contract with Ulster which centered around him getting a BOK contract. Fact of the matter is that the Sharks didn’t get the help they wanted from AC and now AC is saying that Marcel is key to his revival plans. Question is, was he not key when the Sharks approached him last year April? I think not and he has proved that he can’t identify a quality player as proved by his selections. Many people including my friends underestimate the value of Marcel. He’s one player I would pick first in every team I select.

  • Comment 47, posted at 30.01.17 11:11:12 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 45) : I get your points and sort of agree with them as first steps. Just for the sake of interaction and counter-argument: a main issue for me – if you make SA’s best franchise the core of the Bok side…do you change the core if next year a different side performs best? You need a form of continuity apart from just checking every year which side performs best.

  • Comment 48, posted at 30.01.17 11:11:34 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 47) : Even if it is for Ulster, I am looking forward to seeing Marcell on a rugby field again…

  • Comment 49, posted at 30.01.17 11:15:03 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 48) : Thats an interesting question as you then enter an interesting argument regarding form. So to answer your question yes i would change it yearly, remember im just referring to the core/majority of the team makeup not the whole team. Reasons for my view is that injuries/departures for overseas/very apparent sway in form of SA players currently makes it very difficult to select a core group one year and just stick with them for 4yrs. So for me pick the core of the best performing team and fill the rest with performing players in other teams that would combine well with that core.

  • Comment 50, posted at 30.01.17 11:28:09 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 50) : OK…I hear you. There are some problems with that, though. So let’s say our franchise teams don’t all play the same type of game…so one year one team with a certain game plan do best and you pick their players as your Bok core…the next year another side does best with another game plan and you then pick them as your Bok core…do you change your Bok game plan? Or will they all fit in to the core needed for the Bok basic game plan? Will the draw a side has from one year to the next (and we know in the current competition format that can be a big factor in a team’s chances) impact whether their players form your core group. The more I think about it, your core should be more stable than year to year changes. Yes, they shouldn’t just be picked in year number 1 and stuck to come hell or high water for 4 years. But I think the opposite approach is also not the most constructive. I think the answer lies somewhere in between and more in the ability of a coach to identify what he needs and what he has in which players – an ability which this thread questions in AC, I admit…but I still think that should be more of the way to go…

  • Comment 51, posted at 30.01.17 12:19:18 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 51) : Look i do get your concerns. Just my personal view is that we need to get away from some old school thinking such as strictly defined game plans and this ‘building a team’ notion. In terms of a ‘game plan’- players need to be given the license and the responsibility to play heads up rugby and be equipped both mentally and physically to make decisions based on the situation in front of them not based on a strict gameplan. Players and the ‘gameplan’ must be adaptable, otherwise we are dead in the water. So my answer to must we change the game plan, no…the ‘game plan’ must be weather and opposition specific for that week but players must be empowered to make decisions on the field. Then in terms of building and selecting a core…if a players form drops badly do we drop him then or keep him to build? Keeping him helps the building but then doesnt reward form which we have said is key. And then if he gets injured, does he automatically come straight back in or does he need to be on form first? If on form first then thats what ive said regarding picking a form core. Dont get me wrong its not as clear cut as i try to make it…rugby is a fluid game and the lines are blurred and each case is situation specific.

  • Comment 52, posted at 30.01.17 12:33:57 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 51) : So to try illustrate via a team selection. The Lions were clearly the form SA side irrespective of who they played so the core would come from there. So id pick the Lions 2,5,8,9,10 and supplement with players that are on form…and if none really on form you look at potential.
    So something like this:
    1. Beast 2. Marx 3. Redelinghuis 4. PSDT 5. Mostert 6. Kriel 7. Vermuelen 8. Whiteley 9. De Klerk 10. Jantjies 11. Ulengo 12. Van Rensburg 13. Venter 14. Combrinck 15. LeRoux.
    Thats not perfect by any means but its a solid foundation i feel from which quality players coming back from injury and others really putting up their hands during the year could improve the team as the year goes.

  • Comment 53, posted at 30.01.17 12:56:41 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 52) : I feel if the coach’s selection policy is that he choose form players it will encourage the current crop of players he has selected to stay on their game and not get complacent, which in some terms, would help with consistency in selections too.

    @SheldonK (Comment 53) : I’d definitely go with Marcel in that team somewhere even if it’s from the bench and based on Jantjies’ past performances for the Boks I wouldn’t select him but if that’s based on SR form then it’s pretty much spot on.

  • Comment 54, posted at 30.01.17 13:58:27 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 54) : That was based on form guys during super rugby that werent injured.
    As i said selecting the form players is definitely key. But when those players are off form then selection becomes tricky as do you still reward and pick the form guy…or do you stick with the guy that was on form and hope he returns to it, but if you do that for one guy surely you must do it for others…which then throws the picking on form idea out the window. Gets very tricky.

  • Comment 55, posted at 30.01.17 14:04:31 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 55) : Yeah it can get real messy from there on, that’s why you need a proper coach with proper selectors. Another key thing that I feel we have to get right this year is to instill pride in the Springbok jersey again, make the players give their all for the cause, that alone I feel would at least have gotten us a victory in Italy but the guys were unmotivated, uninterested and most importantly uninspired by a lack of any good leadership that could provide that. Those are, to me at least, very important ingredients in making a good team, and nobody can hide behind the fact that our current crop of coaches just can’t provide us with that. Another tough year ahead for the guys but if there is to be any improvement this year, I’ll take it in any form it comes. Hopefully it starts with our SR teams performing better than last year, and I hope it’s the boys in Durban who set the example!

  • Comment 56, posted at 30.01.17 14:22:23 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 56) : Yeh look my personal view is that if a professional player cant motivate himself to play and give his all for his country then he should never be picked. Shouldnt be up to the coach to motivate a guy. Yes the coach should point him in the right direction and create an environment where players excel…but motivation at that level should come from the player…if he cant then he really doesnt care.

  • Comment 57, posted at 30.01.17 14:27:44 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 52) : You ask fair questions…the last paragraph in your comment…that’s spot on…so I’m saying don’t come in with fixed recipes like “make your core from the top SA Super rugby side for the year”…or “pick a core and stick with it come hell or high water”…the coach needs to know what he wants and know the players who can give him that (obviously form must play some role in that, but it also can’t be the only factor). There are plenty more debates in what you’ve said ( :grin: ) but we’ll leave it at that for now…

  • Comment 58, posted at 30.01.17 17:01:14 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 58) : My selection recipe would be to select the form combinations. So you select in batches eg: 1-3, 4-5, 9-10, 12-13. Then cherry pick your loosies and back 3. However as it’s been said a few times already you may get a situation where you can’t use this recipe but this is how I’d try to select. Rugby is about combinations and an average team that gels will beat a superstar team of individuals more often than not.

  • Comment 59, posted at 30.01.17 22:00:10 by Hulk Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 58) : Yeh very fair points. But you highlight flexibility and adaptability….and i think that needs to be not only the theme of selection but for the ‘game plan’ as well.

  • Comment 60, posted at 31.01.17 08:15:19 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 59) : Also good points

  • Comment 61, posted at 31.01.17 08:16:55 by SheldonK Reply

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  • anyone with information re- the Boks team doctor? I read he messed up big time but don’t really know how or what.

  • Comment 62, posted at 31.01.17 09:56:48 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 62) : Yeh also saw that piece of news. No idea what the back story is though as it never made it to the media. I actually know the guy being replaced…seems like a very decent guy but i cant attest to his medical knowledge etc

  • Comment 63, posted at 31.01.17 10:03:03 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 59) : I would think that picking players in such a manner is a bit shallow but I do see your point. If the Sharks front 3 have the best stats/performances from SR above the other franchises front 3 it would make sense to pick them together but I believe a good coach can spot which players attributes compliment his partners as well as the coaches game plan in terms of what he’s trying to do against a specific opponent.

  • Comment 64, posted at 31.01.17 10:11:13 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 62) : @SheldonK (Comment 63) : maybe the six months “concussion” of Pat that turned out to be migraine related?!

  • Comment 65, posted at 31.01.17 10:39:38 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 65) : Is that confirmed or are you joking? :shock:

  • Comment 66, posted at 31.01.17 10:59:12 by Quintin Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 65) : No apparently doesnt involve that at all. Apparently revolves around the treatment of Hougaard and Louw in Argentina

  • Comment 67, posted at 31.01.17 11:11:17 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 66) : @SheldonK (Comment 67) : was a bit sarcastic about Pat but thanx for info.

  • Comment 68, posted at 31.01.17 15:25:53 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 68) : Would be interesting to know some more details

  • Comment 69, posted at 31.01.17 16:01:03 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 69) : yes would be interesting to know more.

  • Comment 70, posted at 31.01.17 20:42:13 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 60) : Yeah…

  • Comment 71, posted at 31.01.17 22:10:11 by pastorshark Reply
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