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Sharks face fight to retain Reinach, Oosthuizen


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 6 Feb 2017 at 12:43
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With morning reports linking two key players to overseas clubs on completion of the 2017 season, the Sharks have confirmed that they remain in the hunt to retain both.

Scrumhalf Cobus Reinach is being courted by Northampton Saints in the UK, with lock Etienne Oosthuizen in the sights of a number of French clubs, including Lyon and Toulouse. Reports from the North indicate that both players have already signed deals, but we know that the French, in particular, are often quick to jump the gun and will consider a signed pre-contract agreement as a good enough indication that the player will indeed make the switch.

The Sharks have assured us that they are in negotiation with both players – as well as others whose contracts expire this year – and will do everything they can to retain their players, despite the obvious lure of the Euro and the Pound.



44 Comments

  • This is where we need Gary to show us he has wat it takes to sort this team out…starting with retaining 2 star players

  • Comment 1, posted at 06.02.17 12:54:17 by sharkbok Reply
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  • If Reinach isnt a Bok regular this year it will be very very tough to retain him.

  • Comment 2, posted at 06.02.17 12:57:18 by SheldonK Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 2) : who wants to be an AC regular? Id rather be a celebrity in Paris.

  • Comment 3, posted at 06.02.17 13:24:40 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 2) : Agreed, think being left out of the RWC 2015 squad must be playing on his mind still.

  • Comment 4, posted at 06.02.17 13:27:04 by Hulk Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 3) : If players dont want to play for the Boks because he is coaching then in my mind they shouldnt be picked anyway as they only in it for themselves and have no heart. However, making themselves available and not being picked despite playing well is a whole different story. Reinach would be in Eng though not France.

  • Comment 5, posted at 06.02.17 13:27:41 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Inevitable but that doesn’t mean it sucks any less.

  • Comment 6, posted at 06.02.17 13:30:27 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Things should look better with this privatization of the unions. Unions will start being able to hold on to their stars.

  • Comment 7, posted at 06.02.17 13:32:09 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 5) : I hear you, but you cant expect a guy to destroy his own reputation just because the public expects him to be patriotic. And yes, if you play for this man you will destroy your reputation. 4 from 12.

  • Comment 8, posted at 06.02.17 13:33:15 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 8) : As far as i know AC doesnt make the players drop balls, miss tackles etc. Yes his game plan may not be great but in terms of reputation thats fully on the players. I have no problem with a guy wanting to play overseas and make a living. He just mustnt say he is doing it because AC is Bok coach

  • Comment 9, posted at 06.02.17 13:36:33 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 9) : 4 from 12. Dont worry they will never come out and say it.

  • Comment 10, posted at 06.02.17 13:41:05 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 10) : The players are a lot more responsible for those dismal results than AC is. From kickoff till fulltime the coach doesnt step foot on the field.

  • Comment 11, posted at 06.02.17 13:43:06 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 9) : you could possibly build a name as a player who fights hard in a losing cause, or you could go away and build a name as a player who makes money and wins medals. It wont happen here. The bok jersey in its present guise is not a draw card. Can you tell me who is our captain in 2017? The All Blacks know who their captain will be in 2020.

  • Comment 12, posted at 06.02.17 13:46:37 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 11) : Shit, never thought of it that way. So we dont need coaches. Cool. Let Robert du Preez go, and give his salary to Reinach. That should sort this problem out.

  • Comment 13, posted at 06.02.17 13:48:42 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 12) : AT the end of the day money talks no matter the strength of the national jersey. My point was that it would be easier to try and retain Reinach should he be in the Bok side than if he wasnt. But even if he is in the Bok side the Northampton offer would be tough to resist

  • Comment 14, posted at 06.02.17 13:50:20 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 14) : no I do hear you, Im just saying it would be easier to keep them here with a champion bok team. Please jsut dont underestimate the role of good coaching in sports. It is more than important.

  • Comment 15, posted at 06.02.17 13:53:06 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 9) : bear in mind, there is no evidence whatsoever that Cobus is doing that. WICB is making up a story here to suit his own agenda and prejudice.

    Cobus, if anything, has reason to be pissed off with Heyneke, not Allister.

  • Comment 16, posted at 06.02.17 13:53:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 16) : Wow, thanks for that attack. Agenda and prejudice if I say Allister Coetzee is a bad coach, Rob? Seriously? Prejudice? Well Ill be damned.

  • Comment 17, posted at 06.02.17 13:57:47 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 15) : Good coaching is definitely important. But the best players in the world take responsibility for their own performances too.

  • Comment 18, posted at 06.02.17 13:58:14 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 16) : Did I “make up a story” when I said the guy lost 8 from 12, or when I said I think a champion Bok team would make it easier to keep players? Which is it?

  • Comment 19, posted at 06.02.17 13:59:17 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 16) : Look i think Cobus is happy in Durban and if he was a Bok it would make him even happier BUT at the end of the day this is his way of making a living and would be hard to turn down a big offer when he thinks of post rugby life

  • Comment 20, posted at 06.02.17 13:59:33 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 19) : it just irritates me that you are putting words into Cobus’s mouth here and making it sound like he’s doing something that he really isn’t.

    If there is an issue with the Boks, it’s because HM dropped him. That’s got nothing to do with AC, so why try and make it sound like it does?

  • Comment 21, posted at 06.02.17 14:09:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 21) : Ok sorry if I made it sound like Im referring to Cobus in particular. I really did mean it in a much much broader sense. If the Boks keep on this losing path, we will see even more players leaving. We will. There is no doubt. a Boy grows up wanting to be like Joost and Beast and Teichmann. He doesnt grow up dreaming of beating Italy one day. Allister is out of his depth and must pay for this fiasco of a bok team. And dont even get me started on Heyneke.

  • Comment 22, posted at 06.02.17 14:17:32 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 22) :I don’t blame you for being angry, but I think it’s not completely accurate to blame all of this on the coach. I agree AC is part (and probably a big part) of the problem, but it’s not like things were rosy before he took over. After all, it wasn’t him coaching when we lost to Argentina and Japan for the first time. Players need to take their share of the blame here too, as well as the structures that allow players with no skill to represent the Boks and ensure that we have nobody better than AC willing to coach them in the first place.

  • Comment 23, posted at 06.02.17 14:49:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 23) : Now you’re getting closer to the truth. I think players are tired of all the politics in sport. No such thing overseas, so you can just play…

  • Comment 24, posted at 06.02.17 15:15:02 by T-Shark Reply

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  • @T-Shark (Comment 24) : players may be tired of “politics”, but I’m also getting pretty tired of players and their bullshit attitudes.

    It’s been said above, but no coach teaches players to drop the ball.

  • Comment 25, posted at 06.02.17 15:28:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 25) : Discipline and being disciplined is no longer accepted anywhere, we have to be politically correct with everything. That limits coaches in their ability to build and maintain team spirit and pride in the team. That might be a reason the players have attitude problems. Make a mistake, coach words his frustrations, look for a new team. A certain Mr Marais being a great example

  • Comment 26, posted at 06.02.17 16:05:43 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 26) : Ive mentioned this before but its worth repeating,Alex Ferguson always insisted that he was the highest paid person in the club.He insisted,so that there could be absolutely no misgivings as to who was the most important voice in the dressing room.
    He earned more than Beckham,Giggs and Keane,when Beckham wanted more he had to go elsewhere to get it.
    Problem with the current Springbok team is that the coaches have no respect in the dressing room, and no idea how to get it.

  • Comment 27, posted at 06.02.17 16:17:13 by The hound Reply
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  • @jdolivier (Comment 26) : I wonder about this statement. I mean, I don’t want to agree with it, but I find that it’s hard not to.

    I don’t like the term “politically correct” because it tends to be a phrase that people use when a standard of common decency is being applied that prevents them from being an asshole. Not bullying people with disabilities, for instance – that’s not politically correct, that’s just being a decent human being. Perhaps I digress, though.

    I do agree with you that our rugby players in this generation have an issue (generally speaking) with attitude, discipline and taking responsibility. I blame this on the superstar culture that we start enforcing from their school days. If kids of 16-17 weren’t led to believe that they’ve already made it because they get picked for the first XV of a top 100 school, maybe they’d know how hard they have to work to be a real professional after school?

  • Comment 28, posted at 06.02.17 17:07:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • Isn’t this too early in the season to be having these discussions or debates?? Let’s not let these reporters shift our focus. As management have said, there are many other players that have their contracts up for review this year. It’s normal course of business. Why are these reports coming out after an impressive weekend for the Sharks?Please guys…let’s not fall into this trap. Let’s rather focus on the Reds, Brumbies and Warathahs. Then regroup for our SA based stretch. We have a SR semifinal to reach then anything is possible.

  • Comment 29, posted at 06.02.17 17:27:10 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 29) : I hear you and you are right. Still, it pisses me off that these okes (and their agents) are negotiating now. Clearly our focus is only on the upcoming season, but I guess theirs isn’t?

  • Comment 30, posted at 06.02.17 17:32:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • There was talk – from hound I think – of a top scrummie wanting to come our way. I take it no news on that? I would guess that news of that would now only come later on in the season, if it happens at all…

  • Comment 31, posted at 06.02.17 17:43:56 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 30) : I wonder how much the publicity on this is from the player/agent and how much from the Euro club. I have a feeling it is coming from the clubs, and that the player/agents would like to keep it quieter to use as a negotiation tool with the Sharks. I believe and hope that the players are focused on the season and leaving these negotiations to the agents, the euro clubs, and the Sharks. Maybe I am far to naive though.

  • Comment 32, posted at 06.02.17 18:26:58 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 32) : I hear you, but when are these kids going to grow a backbone?

    I don’t know, I’m so tired of hearing how this one or that one is being pushed around by his agent. They pay the agents, not the other way around.

  • Comment 33, posted at 06.02.17 19:01:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 33) : I’m having a grumpy day, as you guys can probably tell. We’ve invested a lot in these two guys and I’m frankly going to be pissed off if they leave.

  • Comment 34, posted at 06.02.17 19:10:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • If world rugby are serious about growing the game, they really need to address the euro clubs draining the southern hemisphere clubs.

  • Comment 35, posted at 06.02.17 20:11:09 by byron Reply

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  • The north hasnt risen in my opinion … the south has declined

  • Comment 36, posted at 06.02.17 20:11:56 by byron Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 33) : I hear you, but when the player is in his 20s, it is really hard to turn down a massive financial offer, if managed correctly, he could set himself and his family for life.

  • Comment 37, posted at 06.02.17 20:52:14 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @byron (Comment 36) : I think we are finally seeing the effect of professionalism. Since there is simply more money available to be spent on rugby in the NH, we are seeing significant improvement there. This is especially true in the 7s circuit, where teams like England, Wales, Scotland, and France are regularly very strong now.

  • Comment 38, posted at 06.02.17 23:14:59 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 28) : Common decency and politically correct to me are way off. Common decency is treating the disabled person with the same respect you would anyone else, this pc nonsense is walking on egg shells afraid of hurting feelings. Look at a country like Israel, military service is mandatory for all able bodies after school. The levels of discipline their is fantastic. I’m not advocating military inscription, just saying that if you live in a structured, disciplined society, the greater majority of the populace are better for it

  • Comment 39, posted at 07.02.17 09:32:18 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 39) : Can you imagine the current Sa Army trying to manage compulsory military service for all school leaving adults (i include males and females here as apparently we all equal). Now that would be the definition of organised chaos

  • Comment 40, posted at 07.02.17 09:41:15 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 40) : We live in a lawless society, so that wouldn’t work in a million years. I say lawless in the sense that not a single person even obeys the traffic laws to start off with.

  • Comment 41, posted at 07.02.17 09:59:54 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 41) : We have traffic laws??

  • Comment 42, posted at 07.02.17 10:10:14 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 42) : In theory :-)

  • Comment 43, posted at 07.02.17 10:43:44 by jdolivier Reply

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  • Going to be difficult for the Sharks to keep them! Only way the Sharks will be able to come close to matching the offers is with an additional Bokke contract to top up the difference.

  • Comment 44, posted at 07.02.17 20:34:42 by JD Reply
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