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Some easy choices, some tougher ones


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 14 Feb 2017 at 15:09
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Rob du Preez will confirm his 28-man tour squad on Thursday; this first selection of players will have the responsibility of guiding the Sharks through their opening pair of Super Rugby fixtures, against the Reds in Brisbane on 25 February and then the Brumbies in Canberra a week later.

Du Preez named a large, virtually 50-strong squad back in November and bar one or two changes, he’s not tinkered much with that group. Potential selections have started to become a little clearer over the course of three warm-up fixtures, but Thursday is when the real test of his thinking will come, as he selects 28 players from that group to start the season.

Amongst that group will, of course, be his first-choice match 23, but the choice of the remaining five players will be restricted somewhat due to the demands of touring; while he would love to take a first and second choice in each position, the need to tour with five props, three hookers and three scrumhalves is likely to scupper that hope. Coaches have, at various times in the past, been a little more cavalier in selection and taken the risk of missing out on a specialist here and there, but the nightmare scenario of forfeiting a match due to the withdrawal of a front-ranker on the eve of a game is one that no coach would want to take.

Up front, three props and two hookers are automatic selections. Springboks Beast Mtawarira, Lourens Adriaanse and Coenie Oosthuizen will all be on the plane, as will Chiliboy Ralepelle and Franco Marais. Stephan Coetzee should expect a ticket too as third hooker, while much will depend on the fitness of Thomas du Toit and John-Hubert Meyer. As utility options, both would be valuable tourists; expect Juan Schoeman to go along as a specialist loosehead should either of the others not be fit to tour.

The situation at lock is similar; Etienne Oosthuizen and Ruan Botha have started as a combo in both major warm-ups and Stephan Lewies, if fit, should tour as third lock. If he has not recovered in time from his ankle injury, then Jean Droste will probably get the nod due to utility value, over the likes of Hyron Andrews and Wian Vosloo. That said, if du Preez opts to take an extra loose forward who can cover tight lock, Andrews would be the most logical choice.

Speaking of loosies, we’ll see Philip van der Walt, Tera Mtembu and Jean-Luc du Preez in the mix for sure and probably two others selected from Francois Kleinhans, Jean Deysel and Jacques Vermeulen. The latter, I’d imagine, should be a very strong favourite to make the group.

That’s around 16 forwards in total, leaving just 12 places for backs. The first-choice backline of Cobus Reinach, Pat Lambie, Andre Esterhuizen, Lukhanyo Am, Lwazi Mvovo, Kobus van Wyk and Curwin Bosch seems settled enough and you can definitely add the names of Michael Claassens and probably Clem Poitrenaud to that list as well, leaving just three extra spots. Either Hanco Venter or Rowan Gouws could be third scrumhalf (unless there’s another back somewhere with an undiscovered ability to deputise in a pinch), with Benhard Janse van Rensburg and either Jeremy Ward or Johan Deysel the most likely candidates – although with centre and flyhalf well-enough covered, perhaps S’bura Sithole could tour instead.

Don’t expect du Preez’s combination to differ too much from this (again depending on injuries):

Beast Mtawarira, Thomas du Toit, Lourens Adriaanse, Coenie Oosthuizen, John-Hubert Meyer, Franco Marais, Chiliboy Ralepelle, Stephan Coetzee, Etienne Oosthuizen, Ruan Botha, Stephan Lewies, Philip van der Walt, Francois Kleinhans, Jacques Vermeulen, Jean-Luc du Preez, Tera Mtembu, Cobus Reinach, Michael Claassens, Rowan Gouws, Patrick Lambie, Andre Esterhuizen, Lukhanyo Am, Jeremy Ward, Lwazi Mvovo, Kobus van Wyk, S’bura Sithole, Curwin Bosch, Clemént Poitrenaud



81 Comments

  • haha – best intentions and all that. Seems they are only allowed to take 27 players :)

  • Comment 1, posted at 14.02.17 15:14:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 1) : Sjoe…so that means leaving out Janse van Rensburg…making Curwin the only backup to Lambie…hmm…otherwise the squad looks good…

  • Comment 2, posted at 14.02.17 15:34:16 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 1) : @pastorshark (Comment 2) : I reckon Van Rensburg needs to go but in the squad above a Sithole would miss out.

  • Comment 3, posted at 14.02.17 15:59:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 3) : ja…. I think you’re probably right. Too risky not to have proper flyhalf backup.

  • Comment 4, posted at 14.02.17 16:13:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 4) : Agreed. Need to have 2 guys that can kick goals in your 23. Going with just one is very risky.

  • Comment 5, posted at 14.02.17 16:16:57 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 5) : umm, Curwin? How many did he miss in Currie Cup?

  • Comment 6, posted at 14.02.17 16:24:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 4) : Agreed and a number of other players in that squad can cover wing in a pinch

  • Comment 7, posted at 14.02.17 17:26:17 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 7) : well, you have to make tough choices and think worse-case scenario. I’d rather have Rowan or Hanco playing wing than S’bura playing scrumhalf.

  • Comment 8, posted at 14.02.17 17:29:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 1) : only 4 extra players? That really makes it hard!!! Extra prop hooker and scrummie leave only one other player do you take a back or a forward?

  • Comment 9, posted at 14.02.17 18:27:02 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 9) : exactly. Probably a utility forward

  • Comment 10, posted at 14.02.17 18:38:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 10) : yes probably with Cobus having to cover wing in a emergency.

  • Comment 11, posted at 14.02.17 18:59:29 by JD Reply
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  • Could someone please tell me more about Benhard Janse van Rensburg. Is it naive to be asking this question?

  • Comment 12, posted at 14.02.17 20:33:24 by money Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 5) : @robdylan (Comment 6) : Yeah look…goal kicking is not the concern…arguably Curwin is the better bet than Lambie as far as that goes…still I back the idea of a specialist 10 as backup in the squad…and agree that it would probably be the specialist winger to be left out…

  • Comment 13, posted at 14.02.17 20:52:04 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @money (Comment 12) : He played for Pukke in the Varsity Cup for the last few seasons…I assume that means he has close ties to Rob du Preez from his days there…has looked pretty impressive in the little I have seen of him…

  • Comment 14, posted at 14.02.17 20:56:39 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 1) : Who decided we can only tour with 27? Is this a new rule and if so why?

  • Comment 15, posted at 14.02.17 21:54:59 by Hulk Reply

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  • Annoying that I cant find conclusive info of how what the full squad size restriction is that needs to be named (as usual I assume you can use players outside of that group but only those that have appeared in a certain amount of games in the knock out stage if they were not apart of the originally named squad)

    nor conclusive info on touring squads restrictions

    if you can post a link rob I would appreciate it

    or I may contact tariq ebrahim from 365, his a good source for such info

    overall Im reasonably happy with the prep and encouraged buy the new loose forward dynamic of a fast skillful guy at 8 and two bruisers on the flanks, lets see how that translates in terms of rucks and turn overs in actual sr games. playing ward at 12 is exciting, may be a reflection of having a back up in certain positions that bring different attributes to the incumbent.

    is there a rule that prevents us from leaving for oz even earlier than sat ? wouldnt that be beneficial ? I guess there a are pros and cons to that

    in relation to my comment about joe petersen coming on and playing well for 5 min in the jagueres game when we didnt take a third sh and classens got injured, I must say ungerer had a blinder in that game, didnt set the world alight but stayed calm and controlled the game well. and now his out for being out of shape lol, which is a good example of whats going on in the squad, no free rides

    also eager to see how our currie cup qualifier team is set up, as alwaysbi dont really expect them to dominate if they dont have the player resources, more get guys ready for a call up to sr or prep for the currie cup for real in terms of structure and game time

    earlier this week we spoke about schoeman and engelbredt props not really being up to it for sr level, neither of them have really dominated but having watched them Id say given a chance they could develop. just a shame the new prop we got form boland has a niggle. forget his name but looks to have potential

    bernard having seemingly moved to second fh ahead of april and inny is an interesting development if true. competition is key, but at pukke he was in the squad but the attach was mostly deferred to smith to run form fb. his got potential though, could even excel at inside centre in a few years time with inny or april at ten thus a skillful set up eg: carter mauger, christian tomane, foley tomone, ford farrel etc

    whats up with eksteen name by the way, theres ryno eksteen formally at wp now looking solid at the cheetahs.
    we have Elron eksteen, and theres one at swd. think theres one at pumas as well. all skillful backline players of decent size. its like the howard brothers all over again. my neighbour thinks he may be related to at least on of them lol.

    interesting times ahead gentleman

    only way we beat both oz teams over there is if we concentrate through out the games and not loose our nerve in the last 10min like we did against the brumbies two years ago

  • Comment 16, posted at 14.02.17 23:25:23 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 15) : Cost cutting?

  • Comment 17, posted at 15.02.17 07:38:36 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 17) : really hope that’s not the reason!!! Think only being able to take 27 players on tour is silly. With 23 players in the match day team and a prop and hooker being a must it allows only 2 other reserves! Think time to get Freddie back as he can cover 9 and 10!!!

  • Comment 18, posted at 15.02.17 08:06:48 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 6) : Yes i know Curwin but my point was that you need 2 in a match day 23 so initially Lambie and Bosch but then if one gets injured we need Van Rensburg to be there so it maintains the 2. We are also putting a lot of faith in a kid (Bosch) and a very injury prone guy (Lambie). Maybe im over thinking it but i definitely think Van Rensburg warrants a place over a wing such as Sithole or even a guy like Smith or Poitrenaud. But guess will see.

  • Comment 19, posted at 15.02.17 08:21:46 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 18) : Or closer to home Ross Cronje

  • Comment 20, posted at 15.02.17 08:25:41 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Just taking the above squad into mind who is still left at home if we try make another team:
    1. Schoeman 2. ?? 3. Engelbrecht 4. Vosloo 5. Droste 6. Majola 7. Kleinhans 8. ?? 9. Gouws 10. Radebe 11. Nkosi 12. Deysel 13. Blewitt 14. Sithole 15. April

  • Comment 21, posted at 15.02.17 08:43:50 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 21) : If April is not injured or on the plane, then he must be let go.
    Not even a year ago, on 8 May 2016, April was included in a 31-man South Africa squad for their three-test match series against a touring Ireland team.
    Now we are saying he can’t make the 27 man Sharks touring team.
    Makes absolutely no sense in keeping him around then, he must be on a huge contract.

  • Comment 22, posted at 15.02.17 08:55:13 by The hound Reply
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  • What’s happpened to Ungerer? Haven’t seen him in the warm-up games.

    Venter looks like a great scrummy! Hope they take him on tour.

  • Comment 23, posted at 15.02.17 09:08:11 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 22) : Why would he be on a huge contract? Before the couple weeks of hype he was barely making the Sharks team having been signed as a club player from Cape Town. He needs an ego check and some good performances. If he is let go its back to club rugby for him as other unions werent interested before the Sharks. He should never have been in that Bok squad.

  • Comment 24, posted at 15.02.17 09:22:34 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @ChrisS (Comment 23) : Venter is a very abrasive scrummy, likes to get stuck in. It was him and Ungerer in that Bok u20 side but the hype seemed to surround Ungerer. Ungerer seems to struggle to maintain his conditioning and to be honest he was pretty poor last year. I rated him as a schoolboy but he seems to struggle with senior rugby demands but hoping he can come right and maybe a change of scenery is needed.

  • Comment 25, posted at 15.02.17 09:24:33 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 22) : and what has he done since then? But must agree if he can’t make the Super rugby squad it’s time to ship him of to Stormers!

  • Comment 26, posted at 15.02.17 09:31:02 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 25) : @SheldonK (Comment 24) : think all the hype might have gotten to Ungerer and April! Time for them to forget about the hype and strategy working their asses off to show they deserve to be there!!!

  • Comment 27, posted at 15.02.17 09:34:05 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 26) : The point is that you can’t go from the Bok squad to not making the Sharks 27 in 9 months without something being radically wrong.Firstly he’s not injured, so then whats the problem, ,he was good for the Sharks in New Zealand last year so good he made the S,A A side ifnobody complained about him being there.and most people here were excited about him.
    It worries me that we have this situation in the squad, start thinking about guys like Kockert,,Burden,the Cronje twins,Michael Rhodes,who were basically ignored out of the side.

  • Comment 28, posted at 15.02.17 09:46:21 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 28) : i think you jumping onto conspiracy theories way to quickly.
    April was good for a couple games- there is no way he should have been called up to the Boks and his performances for the SA A side showed he was way out of his depth. He then lost his discipline and form in the latter half of the year. Looking at photos he doesnt look in top shape and others have surpassed him, i see nothing sinister in what has happened.
    Kockett left as he wasnt picked for the Boks- nothing to do with the Sharks.
    Cronje twins left as they struggled to make the Sharks side rightly and the one twin has even stopped playing now.
    Michael Rhodes left as he couldnt behave in Durban and was on a quick path to career suicide.

  • Comment 29, posted at 15.02.17 10:16:03 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Every one of those players left to join the Lions,including Kockert,and that was a huge step down in those days.
    Sharks must piss or get off the pot with April,play him or let him go, I am grateful that the Radebe experiment is over
    Now there’s a guy who couldn’t cut it in the big league,defence worse than Rodger Smith,April on the other hand I thought had the potential.
    Maybe you are right promoted too quickly and then not properly mentored into his elevated station.

  • Comment 30, posted at 15.02.17 10:37:36 by The hound Reply
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  • Sharks didnt promote April into the Bok team….and thats where his fall began. He was coming along very nicely at the Sharks before he pulled into a Bok squad where in my view he was thrown to the wolves. I really dont think the Sharks can be blamed for what happened to April while with the Boks. The April that the Sharks got back was a very different one to the one they entrusted to the Boks. Both the Sharks and April can feel done in by what happened there.

  • Comment 31, posted at 15.02.17 10:47:26 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 30) : Kockett didnt spend long at the Lions and the Lions in those days were struggling for players so i dont see the problem with them leaving as then the Sharks team was loaded with Boks etc.
    I really dont see the need to get rid of April, especially with Lambie being injury prone and Bosch still being so young.
    Radebe is also still young and yes he was found out at senior level in terms of defense but he still has time to mature.
    If we get rid of both April and Radebe then we are very thin at flyhalf if we get an injury .
    April should not have been called up when he was, he should have been told he was identified and that he needs to be seen to build on his couple of good performances and perhaps had an end of year tour look in. He was caught up in the hype, same as Sithole couple years ago

  • Comment 32, posted at 15.02.17 11:02:30 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 31) : @SheldonK (Comment 32) : I have no problem with what you are saying and have said as much myself,couldn give a shit about the Bok team, but I am concerned about the Sharks team.
    No matter what the problems are if April is not in the 23 it means the Sharks have been unable to manage the problem.
    The kid is class streets ahead of Radebe,manage him or cut him.
    I have also seen things written here that Am will be a Bok by the end of the year, for his sake I hope not,Curwin as well.

  • Comment 33, posted at 15.02.17 11:12:04 by The hound Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 23) : According to this article, he has been released.

    http://lastwordonrugby.com/2017/02/13/cell-c-sharks-super-rugby-prospects/

  • Comment 34, posted at 15.02.17 11:39:13 by Bump Reply

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  • @Bump (Comment 34) : Thanks

  • Comment 35, posted at 15.02.17 11:46:43 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @Bump (Comment 34) : that article is based on no actual info. Full of factual inaccuracies

  • Comment 36, posted at 15.02.17 11:48:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 33) : So you believe the Sharks should pick April based on the couple good performances of last year even if Van Rensburg is currently out performing him? How is that scenario a good environment? Surely the players currently performing must be picked? The Sharks have included him in the super rugby squad and he is training with them which to me shows they are trying to get him back to the required level. I guess im just struggling to see the issue with him not making the proposed touring party?

  • Comment 37, posted at 15.02.17 12:17:45 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 33) : For what it’s worth (which is probably not much), I’m not convinced April was ever that great. He has pace and a step, which means the game he plays is exciting and easy on the eye, but I’ve always had the feeling he was going to turn out a little Fred Zeilinga-ish; arrives on the scene with a bang, only to get found out in his second season. Of course, at present rate we may never get to find out.

    As for Inny Radebe, I was initially very excited about him, but his game fell off alarmingly in the second half of the Currie Cup, and he is definitely not up to Super Rugby standard yet, particularly defensively. However, he is young, and has steadily been working his way up the various age group levels. Not everyone can emulate Frans Steyn and play Super Rugby while still in diapers; some players mature slower. For my money, I’d keep Inny around, and allow him to develop out of the spotlight.

    Of course, you could counter that Garth April should also receive the same treatment as I’m proposing for Inny, and I couldn’t argue with that. Then again, I’m also not privy to what happens behind the scenes, and what disciplinary and attitude issues may or may not be at play.

  • Comment 38, posted at 15.02.17 12:27:19 by Culling Song Reply
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  • I think we all need to settle down a little bit and let the coach pick the team he wants. Let’s see how they go. It’s a big squad and a long season and he cannot possibly select everyone for the first two games.

  • Comment 39, posted at 15.02.17 12:43:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 39) : Any word out of the Sharks camp on how they feel about rotation. The Chiefs are particularly good at it.

    I’m hoping we don’t play the same match 23 every weekend like we have done in recent years.

  • Comment 40, posted at 15.02.17 13:01:07 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 39) : Now where would be the fun in that!?

  • Comment 41, posted at 15.02.17 13:03:56 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 40) : did you read my interview with Jaco Pienaar?

  • Comment 42, posted at 15.02.17 13:05:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 41) : fair enough :)

  • Comment 43, posted at 15.02.17 13:10:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 30) : deeply concerned about your constant willingness to write player off

    humans play sport, not robots

    your hyping bernard, if he has a few inconsistant games you’l be calling for his head too

    your especially harsh on Radebe. geez if I was a pro athlete I would stay away from forms such as this

    we’re are all passionate about the team, but use some reason

  • Comment 44, posted at 15.02.17 13:36:42 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • I cant recall but is there another hooker around besides Marais, Chilliboy and Coetzee?
    Also how many of the super rugby training squad still qualify as u21s?

  • Comment 45, posted at 15.02.17 14:18:36 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 39) : why not? Would make it waaaaaaay easier ;-)

  • Comment 46, posted at 15.02.17 14:19:27 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 45) : Kerron van Vuuren.

    Check this link…. http://www.sharksworld.co.za/srsquad/

  • Comment 47, posted at 15.02.17 14:53:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 47) : Ah ok cool didnt know about Van Vuuren. Looking at the ages not many are u21 still

  • Comment 48, posted at 15.02.17 15:09:05 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 48) : no, pretty few.

  • Comment 49, posted at 15.02.17 15:09:19 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 45) : John Smit.

  • Comment 50, posted at 15.02.17 15:10:50 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 49) : Can everyone be accommodated in senior sharks sides this year? Guess it depends how many Boks we get

  • Comment 51, posted at 15.02.17 15:17:37 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 50) : As a hooker or u21? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 52, posted at 15.02.17 15:19:13 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Hooker, loose head prop, tight head prop, admin……the utility value is immense.

  • Comment 53, posted at 15.02.17 15:31:29 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 53) : Sign him up then

  • Comment 54, posted at 15.02.17 15:39:33 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 44) : Pal hold onto your underpants with both hands, who and where was I hyping ”bernard”
    who is bernard
    Radebe was a complete joke last year, he moved to the wing on every defensive move, hell even Naas stayed in his position in defense.
    But far from it being up to me to criticize,if you are happy with a” pro athlete” who can only do half his job then enjoy, but please don’t expect me to be,I’ve been watching the Sharks for too long to accept it.
    Pro athletes earn huge money for their potential ability to perform, when they achieve it they get all the accolades, praise ,fame ,money ,sponsorships, cars,endorsements,when they fail they must take the stick, it goes with the territory.

  • Comment 55, posted at 15.02.17 15:44:12 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 55) : Just a point and dont know if you have watched the warm up games but we are still defending lineouts with the flyhalf in the hooker channel, even Lambie.

  • Comment 56, posted at 15.02.17 15:52:12 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 55) : lol Benhard Janse van Rensburg

    can I get a breakdown of your general health, blood pressure, diet, and most recent waist line measurement. I’ve got a algorithm to see how likely it is I can cause you to have a heartache/stroke by shining a light on your over zealous need to throw people under the bus for being human. I come here to share ideas and opinions on rugby in general, but these need to be measured to a certain degree. Next your going to be on Franco’s case about not being able to run a 12sec 100m.

    I worry about you bro

  • Comment 57, posted at 15.02.17 16:13:36 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 57) : I dont think Franco would take kindly to you suggesting he should run 10m and be timed :mrgreen:

  • Comment 58, posted at 15.02.17 16:17:44 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 57) : @SheldonK (Comment 58) : think Franco might surprise you both with his 100m time ;-)

  • Comment 59, posted at 15.02.17 18:24:01 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 59) : @SheldonK (Comment 58) : Good point, il just have to remind him of that pleasant convo we had last year

    nice guy, pretty chill, built like a brick house

  • Comment 60, posted at 15.02.17 18:58:19 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 60) : I have a lot of time for Frank the Tank. Nice kid. One of those “speak softly but carry a big stick” types.

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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 57) :P unctuation is obviously not your strong point,I’d say something about Jack Kerouac,but realise,it would be as wasted on you as Coennie in an art gallery.

  • Comment 62, posted at 15.02.17 20:08:48 by The hound Reply
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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 60) : @robdylan (Comment 61) : young guy with huge potential!!!

  • Comment 63, posted at 15.02.17 20:42:43 by JD Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 62) : “unctuation is obviously not your strong point” :mrgreen: There’s something positively karmic about your spelling mistake…

  • Comment 64, posted at 15.02.17 20:45:14 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 64) : :mrgreen: positively…epically…

  • Comment 65, posted at 15.02.17 21:30:08 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 33) : You make a clear point…I agree with you that April must be managed. Clearly there is potential there and somewhere along the line last year something went wrong. I wouldn’t call for him to be cut too quickly though. He is in the squad for the tournament…let’s give the management a bit of time and see how the things develop. If, by the end of the Super Rugby season it is clear that he is not part of our plans and management has not brought the desired results, then cut him. Besides, for now, if Inny is as atrocious as you say – which I don’t agree with – then surely April is very important for our flyhalf depth. One injury and he is needed…and given our track record, that is likely to happen at some stage…

  • Comment 66, posted at 15.02.17 21:39:14 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Hey Rob, I think you probably meant Juan Schoeman and not his Bulls brother Pierre. :-)

  • Comment 67, posted at 15.02.17 21:49:11 by Blue Centurion Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 64) : It s called irony,

  • Comment 68, posted at 15.02.17 22:27:30 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 56) : can you imagine Henri Honiball taking up a defensive position on the wing,

  • Comment 69, posted at 15.02.17 22:33:47 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 69) : I think you perhaps looking at it from the wrong direction. It seems to be the coaches defensive pattern decision more than being a specific players request. So under this pattern yes Honiball would be on the wing.

  • Comment 70, posted at 16.02.17 08:18:14 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 70) : Sorry can’t see Lem or Butch James,defending anywhere except in their channel, but will leave it there.

  • Comment 71, posted at 16.02.17 08:30:54 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 71) : They would if that was the coaches instructions. Ive never ever seen Lambie shy away from tackles yet there he was defending in that channel.

  • Comment 72, posted at 16.02.17 08:38:47 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 72) : You being very naive now or trying really hard to protect your cronies.

  • Comment 73, posted at 16.02.17 09:05:34 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 73) : I really dont get your comment? Im being neither. I just pointed out that the flyhalf defending in that channel is clearly a coaches defensive pattern decision that the players are executing. I see no reason why any other player also wouldnt execute the coaches instructions…although this is Durban where players do seem to throw hissy fits if they dont get what they like so you never know.

  • Comment 74, posted at 16.02.17 09:10:58 by SheldonK Reply

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  • You guys are crazy to be debating or insisting we let April go. Are you serious or mad? Take a look at the Bulls and Stormers, they don’t discard players based on them not making the match 23…ever heard of the word “depth”? Do we not have a Vodacom competition that runs parrel with SR. Is that competition not important??? Do we want to be that side that is know for letting players go that are not in the match 23..look at Bothma and Jacques.

  • Comment 75, posted at 16.02.17 09:33:14 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 71) : Have you seen Lambie lately? Whether he has not fully recovered from his injury but his defense in his channel has not been up to scratch. Must he now be cut from the squad??? You guys are just too harsh.

  • Comment 76, posted at 16.02.17 09:44:30 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 76) : Last time I looked Lambie was in the match day 23,when the time comes that he is not, it will probably be logically the time to cut him.
    You miss the whole point of the argument,I will repeat it for you slowly, if a guy who was in the Bok squad of 30, 9 months ago is not in the Sharks 23 today there is obviously a problem.
    What could it be, you could speculate that he was using PED ‘s,he was horribly overrated by the Boks and the Sharks and promoted way above his ability, he has had a huge drop in form or he has irreversible differences with the Sharks coaching staff.
    But you can’t avoid the fact that there is a huge problem, the argument is either fix it ,which is my personal preference as I really rate the player,or if you can’t drop him.

  • Comment 77, posted at 16.02.17 10:11:41 by The hound Reply
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  • @Blue Centurion (Comment 67) : shit thanks! I always confuse those too.

  • Comment 78, posted at 16.02.17 11:35:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • Interesting tour side picked

  • Comment 79, posted at 16.02.17 12:10:11 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 79) : it’s up

  • Comment 80, posted at 16.02.17 12:18:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 77) :

    The problem is obvious.

    Talented younger players that feel themselves outside of Bok contention go overseas. So do veteran Boks. The result is that at any moment in SA you have 1 or 2 players vying for the Bok spot and below them, either players that are too young and inexperienced or simply not talented enough.

  • Comment 81, posted at 16.02.17 14:05:21 by fyndraai Reply
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