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Disappointment as Sharks let it slip


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 24 Feb 2017 at 13:07
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The Sharks have been forced to make do with a losing bonus point as they conceded a late try to lose to the Reds 28-26 in Brisbane this morning.

Rob du Preez’s side enjoyed the best possible start to the encounter, with Lukhayno Am snaffling a dropped pas from Quade Cooper early on to send Jean-Luc du Preez over for a try in the opening minute. Pat Lambie’s good conversion set the visitors up for a 7-0 lead, one they managed to hold onto as penalties where exchanged.

The writing was on the wall quite early on, though, with Cooper’s clever passing unlocking holes in the Sharks’ first-up defence. Time and again, heroic scrambling was required to prevent the Queenslanders from going all the way, but the damn wall finally burst about ten minute from half time, with Scott Higginbotham scoring his side’s first, against the post. Lambie – in superb kicking form on the day, nailed a third penalty on the stroke of half time to eclipse two from Cooper and take the Sharks into the shed leading 16-13.

Lambie extended that lead once more early in the second half, but it was again the Reds who did most of the playing and they eventually scored a good try through Samu Kerevi when the Sharks’ indiscipline had led to multipl penalties – and a team warning – in the 22. Kerevi profited off the back of a good Reds scrum, but Cooper’s missed conversion prevented his side from taking the lead. Leading 19-18, Lambie’s Sharks delivered a purple patch, helped by the sin-binning of Reds lock Kane Douglas for grabbing Beast Mtawarira around the neck. Several phases later, a rolling maul saw Tera Mtembu score the Sharks’ second. Lambie’s conversion pushed the score out to 26-18, which was when the Sharks, inexplicably, fell apart.

A second to Kerevi and a late match-winner from replacement Reds scrumhalf James Tuttle saw the hosts win the try-scoring contest by four to two and not even a second late yellow ard to Karmichael Hunt could give the Sharks the boost they needed to overturn that two-point deficit.

Reds (28): Tries Higginbotham, Kerevi (2), Tuttle. Conversion Cooper. Penalties Cooper (2).
Sharks (26): Tries du Preez, Mtembu. Conversions Lambie (2). Penalties Lambie (4)



122 Comments

  • A little more accuracy and fire in defense and this would have been a win for us. Not the most terrible of starts, all things considered. Lots to work on sure but a respectable first match.

  • Comment 1, posted at 24.02.17 13:11:36 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Well now its time for RDP to earn his stripes (and paycheque). Something needs to change as it appears the only way we would have won that game is if the Reds lost it. Personnel change? Or does he just hope it improves with time?

  • Comment 2, posted at 24.02.17 13:12:47 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 2) : slow down chachi. It was just the first game.

  • Comment 3, posted at 24.02.17 13:15:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 2) : Sounds like our defence wasn’t up to it, that’ll get better as the guys spend more time with each other on the field. I feel our base is strong this year. Young team, good preseason with some experience sprinkled in.

  • Comment 4, posted at 24.02.17 13:17:47 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • I’m disappointed but trying not to read too much into it as it’s the first game, and I know the hurricanes lost to the brumbies 52-10 in their first game last year and went on to win the Comp..

  • Comment 5, posted at 24.02.17 13:18:37 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) : Um yes and no to be honest. Yes i know its the first game, and was away from home. BUT the same things that let the team down are the same things that let the team down in the CC and to an extent also in Super rugby last year. So basically my point is how steep is our learning curve…at the moment it seems non existent thats all. But yes it is the first game and everyone should be allowed some redemption and another chance…but how long do we stick with that line…

  • Comment 6, posted at 24.02.17 13:21:12 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Actually a very disappointing game for us if you take into consideration:

    1. Our 1st try was due to a pathetic error on their side.
    2. We looked very poor and limited on attack and resorted back to the kicking game.
    3. At least 15 minutes we played against 14 men and we might have been lucky not to have been yellow carded ourselves.
    4. The amount of kicks that Cooper missed.
    5. It might be argued that it was our first game, but it was also theirs…

    Our defense was however impressive.

    Hopefully my remaining predictions would be favourable:

    Sunwolves v Hurricanes @ Hurricanes by 10
    Crusaders v Brumbies @ Crusaders by 5
    Waratahs v Force @ Waratahs by 7
    Cheetahs v Lions @ Cheetahs by 3
    Kings v Jaguares @ Jaguares by 7
    Stormers v Bulls @ Stormers by 5

  • Comment 7, posted at 24.02.17 13:27:09 by BluffShark Reply

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  • I think our defense was very impressive, but we played again with limited ball and when we had ball we kicked again in their hands….

  • Comment 8, posted at 24.02.17 13:28:29 by BluffShark Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 6) : That was avery good Reds team, they are going to do well this year, we weren’t beaten like the Rebels yesterday we lost by 2 points and on another day we would have won.
    This team has the potential to get better and better.

  • Comment 9, posted at 24.02.17 13:29:04 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 9) : No look not disputing that at all. My only point was that i have seen us lose games before because of these exact errors…so if it continues next week and the following week at home…then?

  • Comment 10, posted at 24.02.17 13:36:04 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I don’t get the feeling I watched great rugby from the Sharks and I give them a mulligan because its the first shooting match of the season, however the two players who I thought were going to be stand-outs didn’t have great games: Bosch and Reinach. And then I got excited when Poitrenaud came on and he immediately began to knock-on and so forth. Perhaps it was the game plan, but Reinach looked too predictable with the base kicks (hence the charge-down), and the Reds when in possession made far more metres by a significant margin. Yes, we lost by two points but ‘alternative facts’ (per Kellyanne Conway) indicate four tries to two, and Cooper dropped seven points with kicks, and they were penalised with two yellow cards. So the scoreline may flatter us a little. The Reds seem to have received more momentum from Briant’s being heavy on the whistle against the Sharks. The coach has a heap of work to do, but the whole team needs to keep calm like Lambie and keep making refinements. But, still disappointed.

  • Comment 11, posted at 24.02.17 13:43:51 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 10) : I would look at it this way. Any team can look like a million dollars when playing against a weak opposition, but then make a lot of errors with a good defense that’s in your face. Likewise defending against a unimaginative attack is much easier, than trying to keep a good back-line with some guile in Cooper and serious power out wide in check.

    Super Rugby is a huge step above the Currie Cup. So at least even though these issues are still there, there did seem to be a bit of improvement overall. At least it was not any worse than we have seen – even a bit more imagination on attack until we messed it up with a poor pass, or the inability to keep the ball at rucks / tight exchanges.

  • Comment 12, posted at 24.02.17 13:47:22 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 9) : I’m glad you’re seeing things as half full…. unlike this oke (@BluffShark (Comment 7) : ) who doesn’t even have a glass. :D

  • Comment 13, posted at 24.02.17 13:49:50 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 12) : Very fair comment. As long as there is improvement im happy. Guess i just get grumpy when i hear things like poor handling, first time tackles missed and discipline issues as those 3 have really killed the Sharks in the recent past.

  • Comment 14, posted at 24.02.17 13:52:40 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 14) : Sheldon watch the game, there is no way in hell you can assess it by the comments on here.
    Make up your own mind,I personally am much happier than this time last year under Gold.
    By the way no body mentioned it but Beast had a huge game.

  • Comment 15, posted at 24.02.17 14:01:12 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 15) : Maybe I am still optimistic at this stage, but I concur. The intent to play rugby was there – execution still lacking (but small improvements showing).

  • Comment 16, posted at 24.02.17 14:05:00 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 15) : Yeh look i will watch it, as i said just going on what was said. But if the actual is very different to what was said then fair enough.
    Glad to hear there is more positivity than under Gold.
    As for Beast- i thought he actually had a good 2016 (captaincy issues aside) so glad to hear he has continued with that.

  • Comment 17, posted at 24.02.17 14:05:29 by SheldonK Reply

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  • There was a lot of talk about the breakdown before the game, how did that go? Did George Smit (7) have a big impact?

  • Comment 18, posted at 24.02.17 14:08:32 by Rienke36 Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 15) : And Reinach another shocker….. Why cant he live up to the expectations everyone had of him?

  • Comment 19, posted at 24.02.17 14:18:19 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 13) :

    No u got me wrong mate. I am still very positive wrt our team, but I am not going to stare blind in today’s performance. During the pre-season we were told a much more hand on approach would be followed and that didn’t materialized and honestly the end score is not a true reflection of the game for the reasons that I’ve already mentioned. How many times did we really threatened them in comparison with them threatening us.

    How good we are or for that matter the Reds are, we would only see in the next few weeks.

    I do think our defense hold and that was impressive, especially our scramble defense,

  • Comment 20, posted at 24.02.17 14:21:05 by BluffShark Reply

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  • @BluffShark (Comment 20) : I totally agree there with you, the final score is flattering. Let’s put it this way, a NZ team wouldn’t have been so soft on us.

  • Comment 21, posted at 24.02.17 14:23:35 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • I thought that the Sharks looked tired and ran out of energy very quickly.
    Perhaps they have been over trained?

  • Comment 22, posted at 24.02.17 14:29:23 by Loosehead Reply

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  • Just something to perhaps bear in mind…remember last year when we played the NZ sides we mocked those sides only playing the Aussies saying how easy they have it. Just some perspective if only in game 1

  • Comment 23, posted at 24.02.17 14:31:39 by SheldonK Reply

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  • will check the game tonight before I decide on my comments, but would like to add this, texting my brother that is in Brisbane for work the last while, says the heat and humidity is unbearable there the last about 4 weeks or so, apparently much worse than he ever had in Durban, so we might be used to it, but if a Durbs guy says he wants to pass out of the two factors it is definitely telling me something more behind the scenes

  • Comment 24, posted at 24.02.17 14:42:32 by Henkb Reply
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  • Did you mean 28 – 26?

  • Comment 25, posted at 24.02.17 14:44:45 by jakkalas Reply

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  • Great articles by the way. I wouldn’t read or comment on your small mistakes if they weren’t.

  • Comment 26, posted at 24.02.17 14:45:43 by jakkalas Reply

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  • Reds are tipped as Oz Conference winners. Sharks fielded a very inexperienced side considering combos.

    I think they tried to play too much rugby at times and their defence needs attention.

    They scrambled bloody well and set phases look solid.

    Bosch wasn’t great nor Kobus on the wing. Lambie to me looks to shy away from contact which is strange and could be because of that bad concussion.

    Am is a gem and if Andre improves his fixing of defenders Am will have a huge year.

    Good hit out from the Sharks. I expected a 10 point margin

  • Comment 27, posted at 24.02.17 14:47:49 by Morné Reply
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  • Shoot me, burn me, call me glassless but I have to agree with the points BluffSharks mentions in his comment 7!
    I was only able to watch the second 40 but saw in the second half was not a lot different from years gone bye!!! Sharks seems hell bent on winning games with defence rather than with attack and today once again it bit them in the ass!!!
    How do you lose a game playing agains 14 men for almost half of the second 40min?!?!?! By trying to defend a 3 point lead!!!
    If Cooper kicked better Sharks would have (and probably should have) lost by more than just 2 points!
    Yes I know it was the first game and conditions was bad and every excuse we keep on telling ourselves each season but if RdP Snr does not change something quickly the Sharks will once again fail to win Super rugby!!

  • Comment 28, posted at 24.02.17 14:53:11 by JD Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 27) : What did you make of the loose trio?

  • Comment 29, posted at 24.02.17 14:54:40 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 19) : I promised myself that I would let Reinarch settle a bit before I had my usual go at him
    so I am going to do that, sigh

  • Comment 30, posted at 24.02.17 14:58:28 by The hound Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 29) : I would really like to see Oosthuizen at 8,behind Botha and Lewis,with Jean-Luc and Philip.

  • Comment 31, posted at 24.02.17 15:00:26 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 31) : Some would argue that loose trio too slow…and no ‘fetcher’

  • Comment 32, posted at 24.02.17 15:03:38 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 30) : Funny enough I also did, I actually want this oke to do bloody well this year!

  • Comment 33, posted at 24.02.17 15:05:36 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Henkb (Comment 24) : Well if that’s the case, why did we not train up in Zululand like the old boys used too back in the day.

  • Comment 34, posted at 24.02.17 15:10:12 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 6) : It’s the first game so let’s try to relax a bit. But agree, the backline still has not shown any bite for about 4 years now. We have needed a proper backline and guess what, Dick Muir is back in Durban.

  • Comment 35, posted at 24.02.17 15:11:09 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 23) : Exactly my thoughts after loosing, we surely should have beaten them considering Gold was after all our coach last season and we did bloody well against NZ opposition.

  • Comment 36, posted at 24.02.17 15:11:50 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 31) : I’m not convinced of the Ettiene Oosthuizen / Danie Rossouw connection yet so I’m not keen on it being explored except if we’re in a real pinch. I’m happy with Tera and Dan rotating there. Think both of them show enough promise.

  • Comment 37, posted at 24.02.17 15:11:56 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 35) : Yeh look im def not hauling out the guillotine yet, not by any means. Was just pointing out a continuing trend

  • Comment 38, posted at 24.02.17 15:12:20 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I watched the game streaming at work, thus interrupted. To me it was a typical first game. I think the difference was individuals showing up for both teams, as cohesion is still missing this early. Kerevi was huge. Our defence couldn’t handle him. That had a huge impact as he scored 2 tries. Andre and Am will have to work on their communication. Otherwise passing was dodgy at times with a bunch of way off passes, in front of the player, over the player’s head, out into touch. The forwards looked good, maybe some dubious calls at scrum time.

  • Comment 39, posted at 24.02.17 15:12:21 by T-Shark Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 31) : @SheldonK (Comment 32) : ja must agree already think the loose trio is not balanced. Moving EO to 7 or 8 will just increase the imbalance.
    The bit I saw of Terra was ok but I still believe Ginger needs to be at 8! Just don’t know who must play 6 as at the moment there’s no real options at the Sharks!

  • Comment 40, posted at 24.02.17 15:13:54 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 40) : Sorry but I am just not sold on Tera, we need Dan back asap.

  • Comment 41, posted at 24.02.17 15:18:53 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 32) : I tell you what Sheldon and I know we have disagreed on this in the past, but Smith was massive today – AT THE RIPE OLD AGE OF 36!!! I still believe a back row needs balance and JL and Ginga play exactly the same way, they are both abrasive strong ball carriers and tacklers, but not good on the ground. We were terrible at slowing down the ball, the Reds had constant quick ball. A fetcher is born and bred, where JL and Ginga will stand on the fringe waiting to make the big hit, the fetcher first priority is on the floor and that slows down the ball. JL and Ginga both had great games, but Ginga should play 8 with JL staying at 7 – we do not have a fetcher who steals or slows down the ball.

  • Comment 42, posted at 24.02.17 15:25:03 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 41) : Agreed, did Tera touch the ball? besides the rolling maul try, I would not have known he was on the field. In contrast, look at their 8, Higginbottom, mammoth game!!!

  • Comment 43, posted at 24.02.17 15:25:57 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @Vonno13 (Comment 43) : I been saying it for a long time. Yet people even want to go as far as to make him our captain.

  • Comment 44, posted at 24.02.17 15:27:34 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 42) : Look we can disagree on the absolute requirement for a fetcher. But fact is that the Sharks played the strongest lineup we have today. So we can either play the strongest we have or we can say no its unbalanced and then rather play with 14? Personally id go with the strongest combination we have. And dominating the tackle is the number 1 best option in slowing opposition ball down, thats a fact. Sort out the first time tackles and players in support and the role of the fetcher is negated.

  • Comment 45, posted at 24.02.17 15:29:41 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 41) : I’m willing to give him time just like Cobus.
    My biggest problem with the current loose trio is none of them is playing to the break down hunting for turn overs and even with Dan back that will not change! However in the Sharks squad I really can’t see someone except Franna that’s able to do it.

  • Comment 46, posted at 24.02.17 15:32:57 by JD Reply
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  • Disappointed with the loss but the guys showed promise. Maybe first game nervousness from some. Don’t agree with the Reinach comments. I thought he had a decent game and was huge on defence. Don’t think that tuttle would have scored if cobus was still on. The French guy was disappointing. Knocked on at crucial counter attack.

  • Comment 47, posted at 24.02.17 15:33:16 by sudhir Reply

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  • Also JL looked like he ran out of steam in the last 10 minutes. Maybe wrong sub was made.

  • Comment 48, posted at 24.02.17 15:36:42 by sudhir Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 45) : What are you going on about Sheldon, I thought you were a rugby man, but your comment seems rugby child. Yes, let us leave out a loosie and play with 14!!!!! My point is this, WE DO NOT HAVE A FLANKER IN A FETCHER MOULD! Go watch the game, read my points and come back to me. Sharks, slow ball, Reds, quick ball. A dominating tackle can also be negated by an offload, perhaps you are of the old scholl class of rugby thinker, hit as hard as you can. What about this, the more effort exerted in the tackle, the more energy taken from the player. Making huge hits is not the be all and end all. I would rather get the player to ground and compete for the ball. These players are all strong and a massive dominating hit nowadays, is unlikely to affect a player.

  • Comment 49, posted at 24.02.17 15:37:37 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @Vonno13 (Comment 49) : My point was that you going on about how the loose trio is continually unbalanced etc, well we dont have a ‘fetcher’ so as i said in my comment- what would you like to do play with 14? We picking the best we have got. We should also play a 7ft quick as lightning and deadly accurate goal kicker at 15…but hey we dont have that either. Yes an offload negates a big tackle- but it also negates a fetcher so dont see your point there? A dominant tackle forces all the opposition players to retreat and enter from the gate thus creating slower ball than if they can just go forward. I know you believe a team cant win without a fetcher but suggesting good big hits arent important is the biggest load of rubbish. At the end of the day the Sharks do not have a ‘fetcher’ so should they rather not play this comp as you believe they will definitely lose without one.

  • Comment 50, posted at 24.02.17 15:44:39 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I cannot believe the Sharks are going into another Superrugby competition without a fetcher in the team. Are we in for another year of the Sharks defence stringing out and stopping wave after wave of attack but not actually being able to turn over possession. For years we had Bismarck who played to the ball, then we had Marcel. Now we have no-one.

    Chris Cloete from the Kings would have been a perfect off-season addition to the Sharks squad.

  • Comment 51, posted at 24.02.17 15:48:47 by jonnow Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 50) : I am saying the Sharks should have thought about recruiting a fetcher, rather than go with a loose trio who all play the same way. It is outdated, going back to 2007!!! There is sod all they can do about it now, but my point is this, if we do not have a fetcher, either of Ginga or JL need to commit to the breakdown quickly on attack, ie – get there before the fetcher does. They can’t both want to run the ball – someone needs to hit the ruck and we can’t rely on our props or locks getting there first. One of the loosies need to make this a priority. Take England as an example, the first thing Eddie did, was move Robshaw from a blinside to an open side flank. He said in a nutshell, the Robshaw was not a great running flank, but was very effective at the ruck area. It is clearly a position that you see as null and void, but a position that I feel is crucial.

  • Comment 52, posted at 24.02.17 16:29:41 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • Does anyone know what the penalty count was? Was it mostly bad discipline? Or soft penalties?

  • Comment 53, posted at 24.02.17 17:23:23 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • @SeanJeff (Comment 53) : it was quite high – I’d say we probably conceded between 12-15. Mostly technical infringements – lots of offsides too.

    Only one scrum penalty against us and one at the lineout for Coenie sealing off the jumper.

  • Comment 54, posted at 24.02.17 17:37:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • Ooft, knives already out for RDP? :roll:

  • Comment 55, posted at 24.02.17 18:47:22 by gregkaos Reply
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  • I honestly don’t think anyone is already calling for RDP’s head. Before we could even consider that possibility, we should be convinced that he is unable to deliver what is expected from him as per his employment contract and surely we can’t say that from just one (1) game. Furthermore, who would be a suitable replacement that would accept such a position? Different story if we were referring to our current Springbok coach who apparently has retained his position. I just think our passionate supporters vented their disappointment from what we have seen today, but this is still early days. AND I do think we would bounce back.

    Personally, I think our team has never fully recovered from Plumtree’s firing,

  • Comment 56, posted at 24.02.17 20:20:31 by BluffShark Reply

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  • Ref missed a few forward passes. Sharks butchered 3 good oppertunities for scoring as well.

  • Comment 57, posted at 24.02.17 20:44:23 by coolfusion Reply

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  • I’m not disappointed with our boys. This was no easy win and we pulled off a winning bonus point. There are loads of areas we can improve on but what I saw today was well above what I saw in the currie cup.

  • Comment 58, posted at 24.02.17 22:48:09 by Hulk Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 58) : ???? Sharks lost today but got a losing bonus point!?

  • Comment 59, posted at 24.02.17 23:05:41 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 59) : I think it was just a typo in his comment

  • Comment 60, posted at 24.02.17 23:07:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 2) : :shock:

  • Comment 61, posted at 25.02.17 00:01:01 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @sudhir (Comment 47) : That’s basically how I saw it…

  • Comment 62, posted at 25.02.17 00:06:38 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 60) : or he stopped watching after 65min?! ;-) Figured as much so was just pulling his leg a bit!

  • Comment 63, posted at 25.02.17 00:12:51 by JD Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 9) : Definitely agree…

  • Comment 64, posted at 25.02.17 00:15:59 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Our defence wasn’t bad, but we’re not going to win games with only 30% possession. And it’s hard to score tries in your own half of the field. I didn’t see to many, or any for that matter, off loads in the tackle. We still seem to be falling into the trap of having one-off runners and then no quick ball from the rucks.It’s something we’re going to need to work on.

  • Comment 65, posted at 25.02.17 07:17:09 by MadIrishMatt Reply

     
  • @JD (Comment 59) : Yeah. That’s what I meant. Losing bonus point.

  • Comment 66, posted at 25.02.17 08:11:07 by Hulk Reply

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  • Soooo,the new look Sharks,I like the scrambled., defence,the lack of coordinated attack,kicking away possession,no game plan,no proper 9 & 12,opportunistic try but hey its first outing and away.

  • Comment 67, posted at 25.02.17 09:21:18 by benji Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 38) : Fully agree, I know it’s our first game and all but I’m already feeling dull. Our handling errors, passing, catching, try to manipulate defenses are still poor. Last time we had a threatening backline was under Dick Muir. Under Plum it was not bad but under Everitt, it has just been shit. Same errors and boring game year in year out. Even in our warm up game. Some passes actually hit players on their backs. Really guys, what is Everitt’s value? He’s had a free ride for so long at the Sharks. We surely can no longer keep coaches because they are nice guys. Everitt and Dick need to swap roles asap.

  • Comment 68, posted at 25.02.17 10:07:05 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 68) : These type of comments always amuse meet think that a guy who has made it to Super rugby needs to coached how to pass and catch a ball, please man that is so fucken naive.
    By the time you make it to senior school if you have talent you can do that instinctively,you don’t need a coach to help you.
    What you are talking about is trust and peripheral knowledge of your team mates position and intentions.
    This only comes from long term playing partnerships.Our problem is that we chop and change far too much,never letting partnerships settle.
    After one game people on here are calling for large scale changes.
    Give this team some space at least two more games ,then you can go allot for Dick Muir or who ever else you want to replace Rob.

  • Comment 69, posted at 25.02.17 10:38:10 by The hound Reply
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  • looking head to next week, brumbies didnt look as strong as last year against the saders, but they looked sharpers and more dynamic than us.then again the conditions in christchurch where very good for running rugby

    to those that say: hey maybe we are underestimating the ozzy teams and maybe they were and are actually really good last season and this season and we dont have as much of a advantage as we think.. well its subjective, all teams evolve

    we happen to play the reds first who by all accounts were cannon fodder last year, so much so that the new experience guys they had were getting frustrated. now they have a brilliant balance between youth and experience and look well coached (they changed coaches, and stiles had a pre season to work with them)

    brumbies as stated above lost a lot of senior players, some in their prime, but still look solid, and they have a incredible ability to take a unknown player and have him play brilliantly to his strengths, look how well that powell kid played this morning. older example jessi mogg.

    rebels and force will always be inconsistent

    and im reserving my thoughts on the tahs for now, need to see more

    we better beat the force and the rebels

    im not even sure we are able to beat the tahs in durban, cause as much as I love bosch, his looking shaky at the back and thats costing us

  • Comment 70, posted at 25.02.17 13:45:46 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 66) : yes I know just had to tease a bit ;-)

  • Comment 71, posted at 25.02.17 16:12:11 by JD Reply
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  • what an exciting Lions/Cheetahs game,love Ackerman’s kid.like a young Bakkies .

  • Comment 72, posted at 25.02.17 16:51:40 by The hound Reply
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  • these juguares really love running the ball and they are good at it, kings look a decent team thus far

  • Comment 73, posted at 25.02.17 17:48:55 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 71) : Perhaps I shouldn’t comment after so many beers.

  • Comment 74, posted at 25.02.17 17:54:14 by Hulk Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 74) : hahaha ja boet! Take it you were drinking to forget!? ;-)

  • Comment 75, posted at 25.02.17 18:27:44 by JD Reply
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  • jaguares know how to counter attack, but the kings have a poor defensivs structure

  • Comment 76, posted at 25.02.17 18:32:16 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • interesting how the jaguares get a guy back in the game off the bench by having a player seemingly pretend to get a head knock have to come off for a test. cant prove its a definitely a sneaky tactic, but it reminds me of the cheetahs with their props back in the day

    im sceptical about that blood bin replacement on the 70th minute as well

  • Comment 77, posted at 25.02.17 18:59:31 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 69) : where were you over the past 8 months? Guess you missed that there were a few coaching indaba’s at Bok and franchise level designed to address many things amongst them conditioning and SKILL level at yes…Bok level. Major issue is that these skills are missing and coaches at all levels are not doing their jobs. Now as a coach, if you are not training your players to be able to catch and pass at pace and under pressure reminiscent of match situations they are going to drop those balls during a live game. For far too long our backline worse under Everit has looked directionless. Why don’t we do what the Lions initially did to improve their handling by reducing the space between the passer and receiver. The amount of handling errors the Sharks dish up per game is just concerning. The fact that the backline hardly has any ball and the ball they get they just pass it down the line wil not lead us to scoring tries. Reds had something like 500 meters gained with 60% possession and we had 200 meters gained with 40% possession. We are not holding onto the ball for long enough and don’t have strike runners and are unable to manipulate defenses to make these metres.

  • Comment 78, posted at 25.02.17 19:08:34 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • lots of evenly matched teams taking on each other this week, made for interesting games

  • Comment 79, posted at 25.02.17 19:56:55 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • Both bulls and stomers looking to embrace the ball in hand game plan, and both puting on a real spectacular game so far

  • Comment 80, posted at 25.02.17 20:09:32 by HB Reply
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  • @HB (Comment 80) : Impressed by the handling and skills set being displayed by both sides. Not to mention the physicality, don’t think we can keep up with these two sides. They have really put in the effort none of this knock-on stop-start slow game high handling error game displayed by us yesterday.

  • Comment 81, posted at 25.02.17 20:20:45 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 81) : No I’m afraid and it hurts me a lot saying this, but i do think they are better than what we are currently, it is actually a pleasure watching the game, like you say thry are so physical and there handeling and skills is out of a NZ handbook

  • Comment 82, posted at 25.02.17 20:24:30 by HB Reply
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  • On the issue of slow ball – the Sharks just need to start doing what the Kiwis and now the Aussies get away with – clean players away who are miles from the rucks.

  • Comment 83, posted at 25.02.17 20:30:50 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • The weather and probably the pitch (due to the drought) at Newlands is perfect for running rugby. Brisbane in February is just another story.

    I am not able to watch the Bulls game – but this is a comment from the on-line commentator on sport24 – “The Bulls scrum is in tatters, their backs can’t catch the ball and they are being rushed into errors by relentless Stormers pressure.” It seems the Bulls backs are as bad as the Sharks backs on Friday?

  • Comment 84, posted at 25.02.17 20:37:58 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 84) : I used to buy that February, March humidity excuse until the Brumbies came to Durban in March and totally played sublime ball in hand rugby in those conditions. How come the Reds didn’t knock the ball on and lose it in contact as much as we did?

  • Comment 85, posted at 25.02.17 21:11:13 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • Simple, let’s get Dick Muir or a New Zealander as our backline or attack, skills coach.

  • Comment 86, posted at 25.02.17 21:13:34 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 85) : Reds lost the ball in contact PLENTY yesterday, to my mind.

  • Comment 87, posted at 25.02.17 21:20:04 by robdylan Reply
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  • @HB (Comment 82) : we’ll take these bulls. They have no tight five.

  • Comment 88, posted at 25.02.17 21:20:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 88) : We will take thr bulls, there forwards werr no where after half time, seems they not fit enough to play the game plan they have in mind

  • Comment 89, posted at 25.02.17 21:31:13 by HB Reply
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  • Mallet commenting on how disappointing he is in the Sharks’ backline play, says they seem not to have embraced the 15 man game. Enough said…Again. What value does Everitt bring?

  • Comment 90, posted at 25.02.17 21:46:27 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 90) : unfortunately I have to agree with him Sharks backs seems once again unable to attack!!! Eina that actually hurt to admit!!!

  • Comment 91, posted at 25.02.17 21:54:24 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 88) : Im also not throwing our team to the wolves, i think we havr the right will, and we do have enough fitness to do what wr want to, i think it was more being a bit more rusty than what we expected, tje reds had more than just one pre season game, and i think that was the difference, but im confident in our team

  • Comment 92, posted at 25.02.17 22:03:41 by HB Reply
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  • Stormers were impressive for large spells, bulls came back at the end but were just playing for pride. passing and ball in hand security of the stormers was impressive, at times I wondered if I was watching the hurricanes instead of the stormers. of cause now we will all praise the kiwi skills coach feeney instead of the sa guys. but maybe its is feeney.

    wow pollard had a nightmare, came back a bit at the end, but was horrible off the kicking tee. if that had been lambie, jantjies or goosen people would be ridiculing them but as much as I like pollard he always gets a free pass after a subpar performance.

  • Comment 93, posted at 25.02.17 22:37:20 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 93) : Agree with regards to Pollard. He was brilliant when he come on the scene but quickly realized that he does the same thing over and over and can therefore defend against him.

  • Comment 94, posted at 26.02.17 05:15:26 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • I think the guys in charge at the Stormers deserve credit for the decision to get one of ITM coaches from NZ onboard. Think about it, the coaches there at that level, when it comes to skills and backline play, are probably better than our SR coaches. In fact, they should be coaching at SR level but since the quality of coaches there is so good there’s no space for them. So getting them on board will give you the value without breaking the bank. That management identified a while ago that a foreign coach is required to up our skills level. The rest of the world has woken up to that…even the mighty England has admitted their weakness and outsourced that department to a foreign coach. I am by no means calling for Rob’s head, I want him to coach us for the next 10 years. My issue is with our backline and skills play. You can’t expert to win a SR with an Everitt in charge of that department. Watching that Stormers side was like watching the Hurricanes play. Management there also identified Dobson’s strength and assigned him as their rucking coach. I have never seen the Stormers ruck, clean and maul like that. Gosh.

  • Comment 95, posted at 26.02.17 05:41:33 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 85) : The only thing the Reds players did better than ours – the passing was just much more accurate. The passing of our players (even some of our senior players) need a lot of work.

    Stats from espn:

    Reds Sharks
    19 Turnovers Conceded 18

    529 Metres made328
    22 Kicks From Hand 21
    162 Passes 80
    132 Runs 78

  • Comment 96, posted at 26.02.17 09:21:03 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 95) : But I do agree with you – the Stormers had an excellent idea getting a Kiwi assistant involved.

  • Comment 97, posted at 26.02.17 09:36:23 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 88) : eish,really!

  • Comment 98, posted at 26.02.17 18:16:17 by benji Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 78) : I agree with all your comments above but also and this I do not understand, that is a personnel issue ,you have the worst 9 in SR,a 10 who metely shovels the ball sideways,a 12 who should not be in SR, how the hell you going to get backline attack,and in this age of professionalism,how long do you persist or give chance to these players, amaizing

  • Comment 99, posted at 26.02.17 18:31:26 by benji Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 99) : You worked all this out by watching one game of Super rugby, please man get a life at least give these guys one more game before you vent your bile all over theses pages.
    We lost an away game by 2 points to a team that has spent a fortune on players and management in the off season.
    Guarenteed if we had won by 2 you’d have still had a go.
    We lost because the team was horribly undercooked and match unready nothing else ,but you know what maybe that is going to work in our favor later in the tournament.This is a long ,long tournament and to write off a team in game one who actually got a losing bonus points is malicious.
    I might be proved wrong,but there is no way I am going to start turning the knife after one game.
    By the way who is the object of your scorn, there is no John Smit or Gary Gold,so I must take it that Gary Teich and Rob du Preez are your targets.

  • Comment 100, posted at 26.02.17 21:23:26 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 100) : I’m liking you more and more :)

  • Comment 101, posted at 26.02.17 21:25:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 100) : no mate not at all im just tired of same old same old,they could have lost by way more and its not the loss but the total lack of game plan or proper coordinated attack ,lose but show these and by the way the Reds for me are a bunch of has beens masquerading as experiemce

  • Comment 102, posted at 26.02.17 22:30:22 by benji Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 102) : let’s see how much improvement there is this coming week. Hard to write a team off after the first game of the season, however, I have some sympathy with the argument that we never seem to see any progress despite all the talk.

  • Comment 103, posted at 26.02.17 22:31:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 103) : Although the backline looked less industrious than say the Kiwi sides and Stormers, there were atleast some improvements over CC and of SR:
    - Andre not just bashing straight up
    - Am first 13 in a while to use his feet. Jordaan at the end was not the strike runner we demanded.

    What is concerning is Curwin and blind wings had no impact not even as decoys and here I support asking questions of coaching / tactics but lets see next game.

    Both Cobus and Pat are nowhere near their usual standards but still beter than what Pollard dished up.

    I am really hoping to see a drastic improvement from the back 3 vs the ponies.

  • Comment 104, posted at 26.02.17 23:04:36 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @Kabouter (Comment 104) : I think that’s the frustration, the guys are still making the same mistakes and the backline is actually not a threat. They don’t effectively use the ball or try to manipulate the opposition’s defense. Bosch looked out of place. The game was just too quick for him. I would actually like to see Nkosi and Ward getting starts at 11 and 13. Those just will inject some pace and real intent. Thought our 9 and 10 combo got a pass. I don’t have a problem with the players, actually think they are world class. They are just not getting the right coaching from the backline and attack coach. That’s why we see this continuous directionless. Hence I asked what value does Everitt bring. It’s been 3 years now and nothing.

  • Comment 105, posted at 27.02.17 06:31:07 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • The coaches need to find a balance. I really don’t think the rugby we played was that boring (definitely not there yet) and sure that guys are rusty. If the coach played all running rugby, we would take a few losses and say we are playing entertaining rugby, but we will complain after a while again. We are not the finished article yet and I would have had a much better weekend if we won, but I do believe there are a lot of positives to take from the game. We could have won, but we did not. This was only one game, I am looking forward to the next game, think the guys are looking to play as a team, even though there were a lot of mistakes. Keep up the good work guys, SR is not won or lost in Feb ;-)

  • Comment 106, posted at 27.02.17 07:45:23 by HeinF Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 105) : Thats the issue – no lack of ability so I expect that with a little more continuity combos will improve. I really expect Lwazi to be the leader and run the back three but last 12 months he looks tired / scared / disinterested / complacent…

    Can we just see the guys have some fun and atleast look like they enjoy playing for the Sharks?

    Everitt and Loubscher are being shown up and need to pull finger. Muir or Pieter Rossouw or Hawies Fourie type consultant could be of great value as even the Kings had better running lines

  • Comment 107, posted at 27.02.17 08:53:32 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 106) : Definitely better than the end of CC. I am expecting atleast 20% improvement this weekend.

  • Comment 108, posted at 27.02.17 08:56:41 by Kabouter Reply

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  • Just watched the game again and the shocking knocks from Kobus and Frenchie cost us the game and let the Reds get into strike areas when they were a man down instead of us marching up the field.

    Just a side note, Kerevi’s second try looks very much like the one from Beast in QF last year which was disallowed.

    We let this one slip but there is hope

  • Comment 109, posted at 27.02.17 09:02:04 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @Kabouter (Comment 109) : remind me why that try was disallowed?

  • Comment 110, posted at 27.02.17 09:39:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Kabouter (Comment 107) : Do you really believe that Rob du Preez has absolutely nothing to do with our backline, I would say he was the de facto backline coach.

  • Comment 111, posted at 27.02.17 09:49:23 by The hound Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 110) : Beast shifted his leg first and then his elbow and placed – deemed double movement. Kerevi also first used leg then elbow before placing ball. Difference was probably the new protocol but not sure.

  • Comment 112, posted at 27.02.17 10:18:12 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @Kabouter (Comment 112) : ah yes, I remember now. Seemed a really stupid call to me at the time.

  • Comment 113, posted at 27.02.17 10:26:59 by robdylan Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 111) : I would expect significant input, especially the halfbacks. However, as head coach I don’t think you can also be primary coach of a discipline anymore, the roles and speciality has evolved.

    Especially at SR level you need qualified experts and jack of all trades will get you in trouble very soon. Take Eddie Jones or Steve Hansen, they may strongly guide a discipline but in no way serve as the defacto coach / expert. Compare to AC who tried to teach Stick…

    When was the last time our backline play really had oomph? Probably when we had Michelak, Lambie, Steyn, Terblanche, Jacobs all pulling strings, sadly current crop have potential but no where in that kind of league.

  • Comment 114, posted at 27.02.17 10:28:39 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 69) : I’m thinking a bit of both in a Naas Botha kind of way:
    On the one hand, this is a good and sensible comment capturing one of our main problems over the last few seasons. We have had a lot of chopping and changing and have shown little patience. The responses to the game this weekend show that the pattern is unlikely to change amongst fans. We need to give the team more than 2-3 games to grow. They will improve…and there was already plenty to be happy with…give them a chance…
    Having said all that…read: on the other hand Darren…I do think we can still do a lot to upskill players in SA. The Stormers seem, at first glance to have done that in the off-season. Getting a good New Zealand skills guy in to work on that will have had a fair bit to do with that. Just on the evidence of the last few season GreatSharkSays has a point that it doesn’t seem that Everitt has had much positive impact on all this. If I were to suggest any change it would be here.

  • Comment 115, posted at 27.02.17 11:15:40 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 115) : This is amazing news’s for all those guys who called for Brads head and then John’s head and then Gold’s head, you were all wrong it was Everet’s fault all along.
    C’mon you know better than that

  • Comment 116, posted at 27.02.17 11:34:51 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 116) : and yet Everett was the skills coach when we won Currie Cup in 2008 – the first time in 12 years. Perhaps he used to be a good coach but is now getting worse? :)

  • Comment 117, posted at 27.02.17 11:40:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 117) : @The hound (Comment 116) : Maybe all I’m saying is get a specialised guy in for some high intensity skills training in the off season…I am impressed that the Stormers did it and I am impressed with my first sight of the results…much as it hurts me to say it… :grin:

  • Comment 118, posted at 27.02.17 11:43:21 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 116) : @robdylan (Comment 117) : And to be fair, on our side, though I don’t, as a rule, attack any coaches on sites like this or enjoy it when others do, it is a bit difficult at present and over the last while to find much evidence of the positive impact any coaching is having on our backline…

  • Comment 119, posted at 27.02.17 11:51:50 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 119) : I still maintain that the decision not to play a serious warm up game caught us out.The team went on the field away from home, in Australia,and up against a team who came to play, horribly undercooked,
    Lots of young guys on the field with huge expectations on their shoulders, and when you saw how nervous the Frenchman was you must know what must have been going thru a youngster like Bosch.
    Reinarch had his first proper hit out in how longh and anyone who doesn’t think Pat has aright to be gun shy never played the game.
    If you regard this as our pre season game, and it was, we didn’t ‘t do bad.

  • Comment 120, posted at 27.02.17 12:28:21 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 120) : I thought we didn’t do too bad anyway…but maybe you’re right…I am looking forward to this weekend…

  • Comment 121, posted at 27.02.17 12:40:30 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 117) : @pastorshark (Comment 119) : worse – unlikely, outdated / behind the curve – possibly(at least based on last SR, last CC, preseason games and this game).

    Take Ludeke, he won 2 SR titles in 2009 and 2010 but is he still a good coach up with the evolving game? no way, so comparing a 2008 result with 2016 and start of 2017 does not hold as a proper argument. Boss, I truly believe the questions being asked are valid as this is not a new problem area and our beloved Sharks are seeming to fall and stay behind the curve. Talent & potential is not an issue and all the noise from Kings Park is what you want to hear but sadly this area is not showing improvement yet. I know we all will be glad to retract our concerns and happily eat humble pie if as @The hound (Comment 120) : points the low skill level to just being rusty.

    Thankfully time to prove us wrong is at hand

  • Comment 122, posted at 27.02.17 12:40:47 by Kabouter Reply

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