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Peyper to add further breakdown challenge


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Cheetahs, Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 22 Mar 2017 at 10:13
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After a lacklustre performance in this area against the Reds in their opener, 2017′s Super Rugby Sharks went on to build a good platform for victory in their next two games by dominating the contact points and ensuring quick ball from the breakdwon. With forwards hitting hard and accurately, it was the Sharks who won that crucial mini-battle at the tackle and the results followed. Saturday’s sloppy showing against the Kings, however, can in no small part be attributed to a big step backwards and this is something the Sharks simply have to rectify against the Cheetahs this week.

A number of factors come into play; interestingly, both against the Reds and against the Kings, the Sharks faced an opposition open-side whose primary responsibility was to slow down their ball. Both George Smith and Chris Cloete did a good job in this regard, but I also felt that last week, at least, Egon Seconds allowed the Kings a fair bit of liberty in terms of the offside line, resulting in unrelenting and perhaps borderline illegal pressure on the Sharks halfbacks.

This week, the Sharks could potentially face a similar problem, with referee Jaco Peyper known for his somewhat laissez-faire approach to breakdown law application. Peyper, from what I’ve seen, likes to let the game flow and is typically not one to spot an infringement at the tackle point unless it’s clear and obvious. Trust that the Cheetahs will have picked this up and will have a plan, particularly given how vulnerable the Sharks looked when hurried at the base.

Trying to explain how the Sharks went from utter breakdown bosses against the Waratahs to Kings fodder just a week later is tough. Sure, there were four changes in the pack which affects cohesion, but perhaps also a spot of complacency. Perhaps some of the forwards – loosies in particular – had spent the nights leading up to the match dreaming of the tries they would score, rather than the rucks they would need to hit in order to allow the back to do the scoring? The loss of Philip van der Walt is telling, of course, because of his high work rate and Jacques Vermeulen is a talented young man who is going to have to step up this week and deliver a big performance if he wants to keep his squad place, now that Daniel du Preez is back in the mix.

We have to back the Sharks to improve here and hope that with most of the first-choice pack back – and on song – they’ll manage to nullify whatever breakdown threat the Cheetahs may pose. Fred Zeilinga might not have a good afternoon if forced to wear Vermeulen or Mtembu like a cheap suit every time he gets the ball, just as Benhard Janse van Rensburg looked very shaky indeed without time on the ball last week.

Peyper’s assistants in Bloemfontein will be Jaco van Heerden and Lourens van der Merwe, with Johan Greeff the TMO. All four men have made shocking calls against our team in the past, so we can only hope for better fortune this time around.



99 Comments

  • We need Kleynhans at 6, we really need him.

    Any news on him graduating to the SR team?

  • Comment 1, posted at 22.03.17 10:48:25 by FireTheLooser Reply
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  • Think the calls aren’t always just against the Sharks, the Sharks just love blaming an official. We all have calls that go against our teams at times.

  • Comment 2, posted at 22.03.17 11:09:54 by KingCheetah Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 2) : I remember during the Olympics, how the Canadian 800m female athlete had a lot to say about the athletes that won gold, silver, and bronze and basically blamed external factors for not being able to win a medal.

    She competed a few months later again, where two of the three Olympic medalists didn’t compete – yet she again came in fourth place.

    Same thing happened in the 2016 7′s in Wellington, Blitzboks lost to NZ in final and a fair few blamed the ref (including me), in Sydney we were completely outplayed and seemed to struggle to win tournaments after that.

    Point is, as soon as you start blaming your failures on things that you have no control over, you won’t enjoy much success.

    This year, I’m trying to ignore the ref’s influence on the game, as none of us can do anything about bad calls – they are bound to happen, teams need to control the controllables.

  • Comment 3, posted at 22.03.17 11:29:25 by FireTheLooser Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 3) : Absoluyely agree! It is a variable we can’t control at all.

  • Comment 4, posted at 22.03.17 11:45:06 by KingCheetah Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 4) : Utter rubbish,the aim of having officials is to ensure that the game is played on a level playing field, where each side has an equal chance.
    The first way of ensuring it is to apoint officials who are firstly competent, and secondly have no bias.
    I eagerly await your justification of either of those, in regards to van der Merwe.

  • Comment 5, posted at 22.03.17 11:54:18 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 5) : I’m with you on this. Lourens is rubbish and should NEVER be involved in Cheetahs games given his close association with Grey. Same problem I had with the other dude who was a teacher at Waterkloof and used to blow Bulls games (can’t remember which idiot it was now)

  • Comment 6, posted at 22.03.17 12:14:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • I have found that things have been really fair in all the games this year. Unfortunately RSA teams still dont play the ref but the rules. :oops:

  • Comment 7, posted at 22.03.17 12:22:27 by Dunx Reply

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  • [email protected]The hound (Comment 5) : I am in agreement with that. It will probably just be easier all round, if the Sharks appoint the match officials ????
    Problem is then we would have no match officials after a few matches. Have yet to hear of a ref that isn’t anti Sharks according to some on here!

  • Comment 8, posted at 22.03.17 12:40:48 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 8) : Stu Berry

  • Comment 9, posted at 22.03.17 12:55:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 8) : I promise you that if sander Merwe was one of ours I would have the exact same opinion of him.

  • Comment 10, posted at 22.03.17 12:55:50 by The hound Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 8) : I would like to see neutral officials in our local derbies,Aussie/New Zealand/ Argentine/Japanese,

  • Comment 11, posted at 22.03.17 12:58:50 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 11) : the Jap ref has impressed me in the way he lets his games flow – lets a lot slide a t ruck but here the teams need to adjust.

    it has been a while since any SA captain has been able to get to grips with a ref’s interpretation and get his team to adjust. whining captains do not add value – we need to adapt to what happens on the field.

    what is worse inept or biased officials? As much as anyone tries to sell the idea of professional officials, the human element will play a factor in bias. An official tied to an union should never be allowed to officiate in games involving his union be it SR, CC or International. Is Stu not part of Sharks union? If so, he should never blow a Sharks game.

    it would be interesting if an official’s error rate involving the teams ever get considered in deciding the allocations? setting up such a scientific data model is child’s play but looking at evidence from SANZAAR and anything SARU I doubt it

  • Comment 12, posted at 22.03.17 13:12:14 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 11) : An outstanding suggestion! Sanzaar had neutral refs then backtracked a few seasons ago reasoning that referees are professional…I’d rather have Glen Jackson than any of the officials assigned for this match

  • Comment 13, posted at 22.03.17 13:13:54 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • “Trying to explain how the Sharks went from utter breakdown bosses against the Waratahs to Kings fodder just a week later is tough.”

    Complacency was apparent and the loss of Phillip van der Walt was certainly telling. Another point you and others have touched on was also mentioned by Morne on Twitter: “Kings might well feel robbed, even if they were the robbers. Loads to learn for Sharks negating negative ruck based rugby.”

    Refs won’t always police it our way so we have to learn to play to their interpretation too. That’s going to be a challenge for a relatively young/inexperienced team, especially one where the combos haven’t player together for very long.

  • Comment 14, posted at 22.03.17 13:16:06 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 14) : It helps to have an experienced captain on the field as well so when is Keegan due back, in Pat’s absence he is the next best thing

  • Comment 15, posted at 22.03.17 13:28:43 by The hound Reply
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  • Well, we beat the Brumbies with an Aussie ref, 2 Aussie line judges, and an Aussie TMO.

  • Comment 16, posted at 22.03.17 13:36:39 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 15) : Agreed although we are lacking experience in general on the field.

    @KingCheetah (Comment 8) : So if the ref makes a bad call this weekend which ends up making us win the match, I take it we won’t see you complaining on here about it at all?

  • Comment 17, posted at 22.03.17 13:37:43 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 17) : Bud, Sharks supporters have refined blaming the ref to an art. You guys tend to highlight all the calls that went against you, whilst gleefully taking the Ines that went your way.
    If’s and buts. Will prefer a controversy free game. Marginal calls are one thing, blatant bad calls another. I doubt a refs call will significantly influence the outcome. Selections more likely to. If Sharks persist with playing their best forward (vd Walt) out of position, they deserve to lose.
    To answer your question, no I won’t complain, unless it’s warranted.

  • Comment 18, posted at 22.03.17 13:48:13 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • I am going to have time on my hands this weekend, I want that beaut that blew the France / Wales game to ref our game.

  • Comment 19, posted at 22.03.17 14:02:18 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Isnt Peyeper a lawyer from some one horse Free State town?

  • Comment 20, posted at 22.03.17 14:07:44 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Come on guys! No need to blame the ref even if the perception is that he is severe on the indiscretions committed by the Sharks and Stormers. The game is won or lost by the teams on the field. Keep your discipline and adapt to the ref. Success will follow.

  • Comment 21, posted at 22.03.17 14:48:25 by sudhir Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 15) : yeah, didn’t even think about that but very good point. It’s the captain who often plants the seeds about ruck indiscretions in the ref’s mind.

  • Comment 22, posted at 22.03.17 16:06:19 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 20) :
    You mean they have other kinds of towns in the Free State???

  • Comment 23, posted at 22.03.17 16:11:28 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 23) : there are towns without a horse. We don’t speak of them.

  • Comment 24, posted at 22.03.17 16:48:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 23) : Peyper was born in Bloem and quote
    ” I am a consultant at Peyper Sesele Inc. Law firm. (Family Law firm, Head office in Bloemfontein) I am qualified in law and accounting and contribute to the business from a commercial perspective.”
    This is seriousely an impartial guy??????????

  • Comment 25, posted at 22.03.17 16:51:26 by The hound Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 24) :
    :lol: :lol: :lol:

    @The hound (Comment 25) :
    Aah – a lawyer! Certainly trustworthy then!

  • Comment 26, posted at 22.03.17 17:00:19 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 26) : Just like Nixon and Hilary Clinton.

  • Comment 27, posted at 22.03.17 17:05:30 by The hound Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 23) : @robdylan (Comment 24) : hey no speaking bad of Middle Earth!!! :twisted:

  • Comment 28, posted at 22.03.17 17:36:33 by JD Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 26) : @The hound (Comment 27) : now I’m not worrying anymore! Trustworthy and fair for sure! :shock:

  • Comment 29, posted at 22.03.17 17:38:31 by JD Reply
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  • How long will the ninja still be out?

  • Comment 30, posted at 22.03.17 18:40:58 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 30) : not long

  • Comment 31, posted at 22.03.17 18:56:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Kabouter (Comment 12) : “the Jap ref has impressed me in the way he lets his games flow – lets a lot slide a t ruck but here the teams need to adjust.”

    And from Rob’s article, “Peyper, from what I’ve seen, likes to let the game flow and is typically not one to spot an infringement at the tackle point unless it’s clear and obvious.”

    OK, so why are we impressed with the Japanese ref, but somehow seem to despise Peyper??????? :?: :?:

  • Comment 32, posted at 22.03.17 19:21:36 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 32) : if he allows it both ways it fine! What piss me off is if a ref allows it for one team but penalise the other team for exactly the same thing! Sharks needs to adapt to what he allows and just hammer the Cheetahs at the breakdowns!

  • Comment 33, posted at 22.03.17 19:42:31 by JD Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 32) : Jap ref still too new to have a team he dislikes ;-)

  • Comment 34, posted at 22.03.17 19:43:02 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 31) : @coolfusion (Comment 30) : hope it’s soon as Sharks miss him!!!

  • Comment 35, posted at 22.03.17 19:43:59 by JD Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 18) : What utter nonsense are you talking? Stereotyping all Sharks fans(including me) as people who are artists at blaming the referee… is that a fact? Where did you attain all this vast knowledge of Sharks supporters? I bet you put in a lot of hours studying our fans behaviors to come to that conclusion? :lol: Get real, bud.

    There’s also no logic in saying that we ‘deserve to lose’ just because we are playing an ex-Cheetah player out of position all the while he’s doing a damn great job at it. Calm down before you type any more nonsense, bud. ;-)

  • Comment 36, posted at 22.03.17 19:59:02 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 32) : Because it’s easier to blame the ref. Sharks fans have become the ultimate ref whingers :razz:

  • Comment 37, posted at 22.03.17 20:01:22 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 36) : spend more time reading the blog! Match hasn’t even been played yet, and already the match officials have been labelled. Oh I am very chilled.
    As for vd Walt, I rate him, he used to be a Cheetah, and ex EC so, dunno why you need to differentiate. Fact is, he is a better 8, than a 6, and definitely a better 8 than Terra!
    Maybe, you should relax, it’s just my opinion after all.

  • Comment 38, posted at 22.03.17 20:05:04 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 33) : Now you hit the nail on the head. Be consistent in your calls, and then the teams know how to play!

  • Comment 39, posted at 22.03.17 20:08:08 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 37) : Yeah, I just said that in a round about way. ;-) :lol:

  • Comment 40, posted at 22.03.17 20:17:35 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Quintin (Comment 36) : He got it from the Sharks supporters on this site. Nobody has been a Natal Rugby supporter for longer than me (other than Hound) and I agree with KingCheetah, Sharks supporters have made whinging about the ref a true art form.

  • Comment 41, posted at 22.03.17 20:19:05 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 33) : Yes, but nobody has accused Peyper of this. The problem is the Sharks have never done well adapting to how the ref is calling the game.

  • Comment 42, posted at 22.03.17 20:20:03 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @jdolivier (Comment 34) : Good point, but then we have to ask ourselves, why do so many refs seem to “dislike” the Sharks to the point of being biased against them? Perhaps we should look at our team and leaders and ask why the Sharks seem to fail so miserably at adapting to the ref and how he is calling the game. Or perhaps ask ourselves what our team and captains are doing to cause the refs to dislike the Sharks.

  • Comment 43, posted at 22.03.17 20:24:15 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Bottom line is, us Sharks supporters need to stop looking for others to blame for Sharks failures, rather look at the Sharks and leadership and ask what they might be doing to put the Sharks in a position where they often seem at odds with the refs. I know it is always easier to blame others for our own failings, but that solves nothing. As someone posted earlier in this thread, rather control those things that we may actually have control over.

  • Comment 44, posted at 22.03.17 20:40:47 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 43) : Was pulling his leg, but all things being equal, beast, Keegan (notoriously bad at ref management) and even Stefan terblanche had a habit of whinging at the ref instead of politely pointing out the issues. Might be why.

  • Comment 45, posted at 22.03.17 20:43:26 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 45) : That my friend is a great start. I’m sorry to say, but with the leadership provided by Beast, Tera, and even Philip, the Sharks have hurt themselves with the refs. Lambie does well, but……injury problems………

  • Comment 46, posted at 22.03.17 21:02:19 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 38) : 100% with you on that! For me Ginger Giant is the best 8 at the Sharks!

  • Comment 47, posted at 22.03.17 21:38:18 by JD Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 39) : you going to the game Saturday?

  • Comment 48, posted at 22.03.17 21:39:12 by JD Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 41) : @Dancing Bear (Comment 42) : uhm I’ve been one for a while to!!! :shock: but unfortunately I have to agree they tend to be a bit slow to adapt to refs!

  • Comment 49, posted at 22.03.17 21:45:28 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 49) : awwww come on boet, you’re not as old as Hound or I am….. ;-) :mrgreen:

  • Comment 50, posted at 22.03.17 22:02:13 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 50) : well let’s just say I was already working when Banana boys won the cup for the first time in 1990 and I was a Banana boy even before that. So don’t know how old you are but I’ve been a Banana boy/Sharks supporter since………… well as all of a sudden I’m feeling a bit old thinking back so far let’s just say for a very very long time! :grin:

  • Comment 51, posted at 22.03.17 22:10:58 by JD Reply
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  • I get so sick of reading shit like we should adapt to the ref,That is the most ridiculous load of crap.
    There should be only one way to ref a game, and every ref should comply with it.
    How can we allow refs to establish the way we play our game.There is one set of rules and the refs sole job is to make sure the players comply with them.There is only a right way to play the game and nothing else.
    Problem I have with the van der Merwe type of referee is that he actually believes that he is the most important person on the field and he will control the game.That is the furthest thing from the truth, not even his mother pays to watch Lourens.He is not a feature, he is not a director or a conductor or even supporting actor he is there soley to make sure everyone obeys the rules.
    The best refs are the ones you don’t notice

  • Comment 52, posted at 22.03.17 22:16:06 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 52) : in an ideal world that is what should happen but unfortunately that will never happen as people see things in their own way. Each person will have his own way of doing things and in the case of a ref that will influence the way they blow. Just look at the England vs Italy game. Some people praised the Italians and their coaches other criticised them. As long as humans is involved in decision making you will have different ways that the same information is interpreted and handled. So yes it’s wrong that not all refs blow the scrums, rucks, etc the same but unfortunately it is a fact of live and a team needs to adapt to the ref as much as they need to adapt to the opposition.

  • Comment 53, posted at 22.03.17 22:29:48 by JD Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 52) : Too many rules coupled with human interpretation of them, only a robot could be spot on every single time

  • Comment 54, posted at 22.03.17 23:20:29 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 51) : A while ago, Hound and I were discussing the 1974 Lions tour and the match against Natal when JPR piled into Tommy Bedford. Both of us were at that match. Do you remember that match? ;-) Do you remember watching Tommy Bedford play? Or perhaps Piston van Wyk? :mrgreen: nah boet, you’re not that old.

  • Comment 55, posted at 22.03.17 23:56:45 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 55) : Or Moff Mybergh,Hennie Bekker,Frik du Preez,when men were men,Colin Meads,when sheep were nervous.

  • Comment 56, posted at 23.03.17 00:03:47 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 56) : :grin: :grin: :lol: :lol: oh yeah, Frik du Preez……Awesome to see every one of those names in print.

  • Comment 57, posted at 23.03.17 01:38:03 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 47) : To weigh in I agree Van der Walt is the best 8th man at the sharks but we don’t really have a 6 at the moment and he’s the best 6 of the flankers trusted to perform so it’s a case of ensure we have the best loosie combination (that is trusted by the coach) as opposed to the best Blindside and 8th man and a guy who doesn’t play openside that well. I feel Philip has been fantastic at 6 and has shone in this position regardless.

    As for Terra, he’s taking a lot of stick here but he is clearly playing the way the coach has instructed. I doubt it’s his idea to hang on the wing and double as a fullback. On saying that, without him scrambling the Kings would have had an easy try on Saturday.

    To sum up without a traditional openside flank I think the combination of JL, Philip and Terra has been great. I haven’t seen our rucks so ferocious in a long time with this lot prowling.

  • Comment 58, posted at 23.03.17 07:46:14 by Hulk Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 38) : @Dancing Bear (Comment 41) : Generalization of your past experiences with Sharks supporters blaming the referee cannot be justified by how long you have known them, not all our supporters are like that and we can surely not argue that all people who tend to complain about referees end up being Sharks supporters or the other way around. It’s nonsensical stereotyping, that’s why I called it nonsense, regardless if it’s your opinion, it’s still not factual ;-)

  • Comment 59, posted at 23.03.17 08:16:58 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 59) : A good ref is when you don’t notice him on the field, think back to most of the N.Z derbys of the past few weeks, see if you can remember the ref.
    I cant but I remember the games, they were probably great because the refs doing what he is supposed to do, get the game to flow as fluidly as possible.The rugby is the focal point not the ineptitude or glaring bias of the ref.
    Seriously I find it very hard to believe that van der Merwe and Peyper can deliver anything but a hometown decision in their home town.
    Who ever appointed these two partisans officiate in this game was extremely cynical,but what I would like to know is why we continue to accept it.

  • Comment 60, posted at 23.03.17 08:30:27 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 60) : When SANZAR changed from neutral refs, all the games became suspect once again. To them its not about actually having neutral refs or keeping the supporters happy, its about making cost savings, hence our current situation.

  • Comment 61, posted at 23.03.17 09:41:47 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 47) : Fir me he is the best 8 currently playing in SA!
    Nah, I live in the Lowveld, so will pop in at the local pub and enjoy, what I think will. E a close contest.

  • Comment 62, posted at 23.03.17 09:42:58 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 59) : You decided to wear the shoe. It was a generalisation for sure, and you are right, not all Sharks supporters fit in that category, so I will apologise to those that don’t continually whine about the ref.
    You are welcome to read Game threads, and you will see the trend we refer to.

  • Comment 63, posted at 23.03.17 09:47:25 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 52) : Until we get robots all using the same AI algorithm (and even then I am not sure how much consistency we will see) to ref games, we will see different interpretations at especially the breakdown and scrums from different refs. Some refs are really pedantic at the breakdown – others let some infringements go as long as the game flows.

    Kiwi teams especially are very good at adapting to the refs – in fact sometimes they seem to test refs early in the game to see what they can get away with. I am pretty sure they analyze refs ways of blowing as well, and try and make use of that to get a bit of an advantage.

    I do have an issue with refs who wants to be the star of the game – and van der Merwe is a good example of one of those. Peyper I don’t really have an issue with.

  • Comment 64, posted at 23.03.17 09:58:44 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 41) :
    @KingCheetah (Comment 63) :

    Astounding naivety on display here. Sharks fans are no better or worse than any other team at blaming the ref. But if you hang out on a site largely dominated by Sharks fans it will obviously seem that way.

    And years of supporting rugby doesn’t convey any real authority in one’s proclamations – at the end of the day your subjective experience is still statistically insignificant.

  • Comment 65, posted at 23.03.17 10:20:38 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 64) : Your first paragraph should read”Some refs are really incompetent at the break down.
    Look Nigel Owens like to be the star attraction on the field as well,but he gets away with it because he is highly competent and hugely unbiased, which Lourens is sadly not.

  • Comment 66, posted at 23.03.17 10:20:47 by The hound Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 55) : you’re pretending to be older than you are! I know your secrets. I’m sure that, while you and Hound may both have been at that match, you would have been a young boy at the time.

  • Comment 67, posted at 23.03.17 10:22:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 66) :
    Yeah; I don’t believe that refs should be identified as the reason that a team loses a game, but I do gripe that the standard of officiating is not consistent – in quality or interpretations.

    I suspect it is rather a competency issue rather than one of prejudice though. Owens is really a top referee.

  • Comment 68, posted at 23.03.17 10:26:37 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 65) : I sense in your beige approach a sentiment of lets get on with it and complaining will get you nowhere, thats fine for you, but as one who has been on the opposite end of decades of biased ,unfair and criminal officiating,I feel the time has come to put an end to it.
    You too are probably too young to remember Tappa Henning,rest my case.
    Now can anyone answer my question who allocates the officials to the games and can we refuse to accept them.
    Before the tirade comes down remember that Bryce Lawrence never returned to these shores,

  • Comment 69, posted at 23.03.17 10:28:30 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 66) : Owens get away with it because he does it with a lot of humour.

  • Comment 70, posted at 23.03.17 10:29:13 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 69) :
    “beige approach” :lol:

    I hear you, and I do remember ole Tappet with his Wyaty Earp moustache.

  • Comment 71, posted at 23.03.17 10:33:18 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 70) : Saw this pearl from Owens the other day: “That lineout throw was as straight as I am!” :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 72, posted at 23.03.17 11:20:23 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 72) : :grin: :grin:

  • Comment 73, posted at 23.03.17 11:35:42 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 62) : pity was looking forward to having a drink with you after the game!

  • Comment 74, posted at 23.03.17 13:21:34 by JD Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 55) : ja ok that was just a bit before I can remember but I know Hennie Bekker and co! :cool:

  • Comment 75, posted at 23.03.17 13:27:48 by JD Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 56) : hahaha great one!!! Some great players from that era!!!

  • Comment 76, posted at 23.03.17 13:29:16 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 76) : Moaner van Heerden,and yet Kevin de Klerk ,the same Lions chairman was the most feared of them all

  • Comment 77, posted at 23.03.17 13:41:28 by The hound Reply
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  • The reason that Japanese referee seems more fair is that he has not officiated [m]any Sharks matches yet.
    The reason so many referees dislike the Sharks is because they also read Sharksworld!

    Who can blame them? It’s the only place of any quality left to talk/read about rugby.
    If you cheapskates don’t stop all this winging about the refs for a moment and buy Rob a coffee, you may soon find yourselves with no place to winge.

  • Comment 78, posted at 23.03.17 14:00:32 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 67) : ????I was 12 years old and would have taken offense at the time at being called a young boy.

  • Comment 79, posted at 23.03.17 15:20:23 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 69) : @Big Fish (Comment 71) : Ah, good ol’ Tappe “He kicked it wif his knee” Henning!! Where has the time gone?!

  • Comment 80, posted at 23.03.17 16:08:29 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 65) : This…

  • Comment 81, posted at 23.03.17 16:09:07 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 78) : If that’s the case…well, Jaco Peyper is the best referee I have ever seen…and those two on the touch line – van der Merwe and van Heerden – show amazing potential! We Sharks supporters love them all and look forward to many years of the high standard officiating we have seen from them so far. I wish them all the best for Saturday…
    :mrgreen:

  • Comment 82, posted at 23.03.17 16:12:22 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 77) : with good reason he was a very hard man!

  • Comment 83, posted at 23.03.17 17:47:04 by JD Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 79) : how about being called an old man now? :twisted:

  • Comment 84, posted at 23.03.17 18:14:49 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 84) : A grumpy old man! :lol: :twisted:

  • Comment 85, posted at 23.03.17 18:37:24 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 79) : I bet you Hound was older :)

  • Comment 86, posted at 23.03.17 18:51:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 86) : OK, you win that bet…..although I did say in the original post that the only one who has been a supporter longer than me around here is Hound, so I have already agreed with you. :grin:

  • Comment 87, posted at 23.03.17 19:21:31 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 87) : Louis Moolman comes from Rob’s neighbourhood,and I am a year older than him.
    That fucker wasn’t born he was cast in the iron works at ISCOR.hard,hard,

  • Comment 88, posted at 23.03.17 20:11:14 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 88) : The original hard man!

  • Comment 89, posted at 23.03.17 20:13:33 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 88) : @Dancing Bear (Comment 89) : Ja think he could have eaten Chuck Norris for breakfast!!! Only problem with him was he played for the enemy!

  • Comment 90, posted at 23.03.17 20:44:57 by JD Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 88) : Way way before my time. The hard men I grew up with has to be Lem and Andre Venter. Ethic, no nonsense and pure class

  • Comment 91, posted at 24.03.17 09:01:27 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @Kabouter (Comment 91) : Actually the hardest of the lot is Bakkies Botha

  • Comment 92, posted at 24.03.17 09:20:47 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 92) : No ways, the hardest player around must surely be Eben Etzebet… I’m sorry, I can’t even type that without bursting into uncontrollable laughter… :lol:

  • Comment 93, posted at 24.03.17 09:31:27 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 93) : Depends on your definition of hard, like hard to find when things get tough,

  • Comment 94, posted at 24.03.17 09:45:25 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 94) : Well played :lol:

  • Comment 95, posted at 24.03.17 09:58:44 by Quintin Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 94) : Now *that* describes Etzebeth down to a tee…!

  • Comment 96, posted at 24.03.17 10:06:26 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 92) : I found andre Venter to be a real humble gentleman, but he was hard as nails too! Read an article once where they said he used to run back to the team hotel, after a test, whilst the rest took the bus. A legend in his time!

  • Comment 97, posted at 24.03.17 11:11:58 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 93) : @The hound (Comment 94) : hahaha nice one guys!!!

  • Comment 98, posted at 24.03.17 13:56:31 by JD Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 97) : awesome player awesome person!!!

  • Comment 99, posted at 24.03.17 13:57:17 by JD Reply
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