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Sharks hold on for vital win


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 8 Apr 2017 at 17:17
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The Sharks have recorded a nail-biting 18-13 victory over los Jaguares at Kings Park in a game where attractive, low-error rugby was definitely not the winner.

With 17 handling errors apiece, neither side managed to get on top of their own error rate in this game and much of it was spent with the teams feeling each other out in between the two 22 metre lines, running into opposition players and knocking the ball on willy-nilly. Uncompromising gain-line defence from the visitors had the Sharks scratching their heads for much of the game, with new flyhalf Inny Radebe certainly looking short of ideas when he did have the ball in hand.

The Sharks got off to a decent start when Cobus Reinach ripped the ball out of a Jaguares hand in a tackle and sprinted down the right hand flank for a great solo score. Poor discipline from the Sharks, though, handed the advantage back to the Jaguares, who went ahead 6-5 before missing two further penalty attempts in quick succession. The Sharks were rewarded for a rare period of constructive play when Curwin Bosch put over a penalty ten minutes before the break and they turned holding a slender 8-6 advantage, with Bosch coming within inches of scoring as the half drew to a close.

A strong start to the second period saw Andre Esterhuizen score a great try in the 43rd minute; Bosch’s conversion took the Sharks out to 15-6, but they battled to kick on from there and were unable to score a third try for a bonus point, despite the Jaguares being reduced to 14 after Nicolas Sanchez tackled Inny Radebe without the ball. In fact, it was the visitors who made a game of it when captain Gus Creevey burrowed over despite the numerical disadvantage; at 13-15 down, the Jaguares were looking at an upset.

Credit to Thomas du Toit, though, who came on and put in a number of dominant scrum displays, one of which won the penalty that ultimately sealed the result. Bosch made no mistake and the Sharks will go into their bye week having made up vital ground on their conference rivals.

Sharks (18): Tries Reinach, Esterhuizen. Conversion Bosch. Penalties Bosch (2)
Jaguares (13): Try Creevy. Conversion Excurra. Penalties Sanchez (2)



106 Comments

  • Mthembu’s captaincy was sorely missed when he went off. Let’s not sacrifice that element of the game again. When is Keegan back?

  • Comment 1, posted at 08.04.17 17:39:01 by GreatSharksays Reply
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  • Not great rugby by the Sharks but a great victory for the Sharks!!!

  • Comment 2, posted at 08.04.17 17:44:55 by JD Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 1) : Ja personally I think one of the twins should have been subbed.

  • Comment 3, posted at 08.04.17 17:46:19 by JD Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 1) : Who took over?

  • Comment 4, posted at 08.04.17 17:48:30 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 1) : Beast, ginger, AE, mock, etc all can captain. Keegan in recent times has been a walking penalty, we’ll be fine without him

  • Comment 5, posted at 08.04.17 17:58:32 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 1) : Mid to late May.

  • Comment 6, posted at 08.04.17 18:15:37 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Die Kriek (Comment 4) : Think it was Marais. We kicked for the corner twice instead of going for the points. At the stage the score was 15 – 6. We lost the lineouts and found ourselves back in our 22 from which they were able to score a goal. Boys still played well, we were up against a very physical side that didn’t fold to our big boy tactics which other teams won’t cope think…

  • Comment 7, posted at 08.04.17 18:16:49 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 3) : Agreed.

  • Comment 8, posted at 08.04.17 18:17:19 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 5) : Don’t agree and I think today was evidence of that. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion though.

  • Comment 9, posted at 08.04.17 18:18:44 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 6) : Thanks. Still a long time to go.

  • Comment 10, posted at 08.04.17 18:19:26 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • We would have also murdered the Lions on the scoreboard had Peyper reffed that game.

  • Comment 11, posted at 08.04.17 18:28:08 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 9) : Of course we all have the right to an opinion, we have a wealth of talent and leaders.

  • Comment 12, posted at 08.04.17 18:33:45 by jdolivier Reply

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  • Peyper just got a new wine farm in stellenbosch, very harsh on the chiefs around the neck, not so much the stormers

  • Comment 13, posted at 08.04.17 19:02:50 by jdolivier Reply

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  • Nope stormers deserved that win they played hard and showed some of the best defence I seen in this series. Yes a little luck but mostly hard work and skill. Our score would be different if we had that level of defence and good tackling. Congrats stormers.

  • Comment 14, posted at 08.04.17 19:08:02 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 14) : What a lovely grown up response. :smile:

  • Comment 15, posted at 08.04.17 19:11:11 by McLovin Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 14) : Burns my nuts to say it, but you are correct, the stormers did play a great game

  • Comment 16, posted at 08.04.17 19:13:49 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 1) : How exactly was his captaincy missed? When the sharks had advantage and then knocked the ball on just before Reinachs “second” try, the ref then gave the ball to the jaguares. If Mtembu was awake he would have questioned the ref about that, because advantage hadn’t been called over, so it should have been our ball. He’s not adding much on the field either. Keegan returning will be a welcome boost to the sharks.

  • Comment 17, posted at 08.04.17 19:52:13 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • Even though it was a poor game with a lot of mistakes it was an excellent win for the Sharks. Congrats guys

  • Comment 18, posted at 08.04.17 20:08:40 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 18) : Thanks, wonderful gesture

  • Comment 19, posted at 08.04.17 20:12:52 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 19) : Keeps our conference interesting :)

  • Comment 20, posted at 08.04.17 20:15:45 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 20) : Will make for a mouthwatering encounter in Durban

  • Comment 21, posted at 08.04.17 20:20:00 by jdolivier Reply

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  • Got back from the game and watched it again on the PVR.
    Radebe was seriously dog shit,totally out of his depth and once again defended on the wing.
    Bosch on the other hand is sublime, shades of Andre Joubert with that silky gliding run.
    Reinarch was brilliant and utter crap sometimes in the same movement.
    To win a game like this against really hard opposition with our yo yo 9,10 combination is no mean feat.
    There are so many great players in the team ,but games are lost at 9 and 10 ,imagine this Sharks team with Aaron Smith or Beauden Barritt.
    I know that I run the risk of offending the Radebe fan club here,but the guy just doesn’t belong at this level
    There is so much to love about this team but they deserve a better chance at winning which the current 9 and 10 are not delivering.

  • Comment 22, posted at 08.04.17 20:39:37 by The hound Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 14) : Yah. Also thought they were really excellent tonight, outplayed the Chiefs and fully deserved the win. I think our power can hurt them, but we’ll have to be right on top of our game…

  • Comment 23, posted at 08.04.17 20:42:40 by pastorshark Reply
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  • We had a really lovely afternoon at the game with a heap of friends from the midlands. The rugby was very frustrating at times, mostly quite poor with hints of the sublime mixed in. But that was a very important win and I am super chuffed that we achieved it. Thanks boys…

  • Comment 24, posted at 08.04.17 20:53:36 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Well done guys on a hard fought win. Inny not ready to start. Bosch was again really good and must remain at 10. A lot of attacking play and momentum was lost by poor hands and decisions from Inny. I think that he has the ability to be a really good FH but lacks the composure. If you go back to CC last year he also struggled against the top teams but was brilliant against the weak ones.

  • Comment 25, posted at 09.04.17 07:14:02 by sudhir Reply

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  • It seems to me that at home, the Sharks sometimes play in their heads and are more hesitant, like against the Kings and Jaguares as opposed to away, like against the lions or cheetahs. The only truly dominant home display has been against the waratahs. The Radebe experiment was a little more productive than the Ben10 experiment but only slightly. Rob had balls to try it however until Lambie returns it’s Bosch as fly half. IMHO.

  • Comment 26, posted at 09.04.17 07:18:48 by SeanJeff Reply

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  • Cobus Reinach was good. Some of you on this site are blinded by your dislike of him to appreciate the value of CR to the team. He was vital in us winning ie. ripped the ball and ran 60m to score when the Jaguares were attacking and the try saving tackle. This guy does this almost every game. Yes he makes mistakes but like it or not he’s the best we have not Claasens.

  • Comment 27, posted at 09.04.17 07:30:10 by sudhir Reply

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  • @sudhir (Comment 27) : Don’t think anyone questions his moments of individual brilliance,they are sublime.
    Unfortunately rugby is a team sport and no where more so than at no 9.
    This guy is a model of inconsistency he is erratic ,unpredictable and incapable of sticking to a game plan.Exactly what you don’t need when blooding a young 10.
    Both kids tried at 10 in the last two games were slaughtered by Reinarch,Bosch to his credit was not.Says a lot for his potential.
    I’d much rather have a reliable, unspectacular no 9 than this unpredictable keg of dynamite.

  • Comment 28, posted at 09.04.17 08:59:04 by The hound Reply
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  • The game aside, I want to give a quick shout out to Gary Teichmann…. We were stranded in a ticket queue a few minutes after kickoff when he came out and told everyone (maybe 50-odd people) not to worry and just come right through without tickets. Was an awesome gesture and great PR

  • Comment 29, posted at 09.04.17 09:07:47 by Shakes34 Reply

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  • Watching the Kings/Force ,Cronje/Schreuder on fire, exactly what we are missing.

  • Comment 30, posted at 09.04.17 09:27:41 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 28) : Scrumhalf makes or breaks you attack. And the most important attributes you need from a good scrumhalf for that is fast accurate service (get the ball from the breakdown without delay, and fire an accurate crisp pass for an attacker to run onto) and good decision making (know when to speed up play, which direction to play to and when to slow play down). Reinach does neither consistently. He did both very well in AE’s try but then also mixes that up with killing momentum (although the players in the rucks contribute to that too), some really poor passes or passing to a single player with 4 defenders all over him.

    I still recall the Aussie commentators mentioning during the Brumbies game how much better the Shark attack would do if they could just speed up the ball from the breakdown.

    The oke is fearless, brave defender, a great athlete, can kick the ball for miles, often run good support lines. I still reckon he would have made a great fullback.

  • Comment 31, posted at 09.04.17 10:04:13 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 31) : Watching 7′s now and can’t help thinking what a star Reinarch would be here.

  • Comment 32, posted at 09.04.17 10:06:52 by The hound Reply
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  • @sudhir (Comment 27) : He really needs to work on the basics. His service from the ruck is poor. Too often the ball is passed behind or at.ankle height and this is unacceptable for a scrumhalf of his calibre. Too many balls kicked out on the full.

  • Comment 33, posted at 09.04.17 10:17:01 by byron Reply

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  • So we are losing 2 teams and Saru have to decide which 2. Now what if the government decides the Kings have to stay?

  • Comment 34, posted at 09.04.17 10:29:44 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 34) : What if they do it on current performance and the Bulls are the other one,

  • Comment 35, posted at 09.04.17 10:36:43 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 35) : :mrgreen: :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 36, posted at 09.04.17 10:40:47 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 35) : I reckon there should be 2 divisions, Super12 and then a group of 10 with qualifying for 2 teams and 2 worst from super 12 teams drop down etc.

    USA, Singapore, Canada and South America could get teams going, this would also grow the game.
    To select the best teams from SA you look at their performance history by looking at where they ended on the log and work out their average log positions, so if you took the SA teams positions on average you would find the SA teams to start in the Super 12 would be Sharks, Stormers, Bulls, and Lions or Cheetahs. so Kings and Cheetahs or Lions would player lower division

    NZ conference you would probably find the Canes, Chiefs, Crusaders and either Landers or Blues to be their teams.
    Aus would be Reds, Tahs and Brumbies

    Super 12 to start with for example would be
    NZ 4 teams,
    SA 4 teams
    Aus 3 teams
    Jaguares
    Sunwolves

    Super 10
    Cheetahs or Lions
    Kings
    Force
    Rebels
    Blues or Landers
    Team Canada
    Team USA
    Team Singapore
    Team South Americas
    10th team An African combined team? Zim, Kenya and Nam?

    Probably biggest problem would be working out logistics and sponsors for lower division.

  • Comment 37, posted at 09.04.17 11:00:47 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Kings are a waste of space. They will definitely go.

    Tough on the States, but they will also probably go. Maybe join up with the Bulls.

  • Comment 38, posted at 09.04.17 11:23:43 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 38) : Players would be sold or loaned for SR, traveling too much, so players would be on loan to all other unions i reckon.

  • Comment 39, posted at 09.04.17 11:29:42 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 38) : Also Kings made as lot of teams earn their victories just like this morning.

  • Comment 40, posted at 09.04.17 11:30:30 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 39) : Good point. But will SA’s brandy drinking boepens brigade administrators get it done properly?

  • Comment 41, posted at 09.04.17 11:35:15 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 41) : Nope, we all know it is not possible for them to do anything right. :roll:

  • Comment 42, posted at 09.04.17 11:36:44 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 40) : It was the Force. Not exactly a force to be reckoned with.

    Every match for the Kings is do or die. Desperate to prove their worth. All the good sides view them as an inconvenience. Just do enough to beat them without picking up injuries and maybe resting some first choice players.

    Bar the odd exception it’s been 100+ years of constant mediocrity (at best) from them.

  • Comment 43, posted at 09.04.17 11:40:10 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 43) : Not to mention their administrators. Just when you think the bar can’t be set any lower….. :roll:

  • Comment 44, posted at 09.04.17 11:42:28 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 43) : Spoken like a good old S A brandy drinking boepens brigader

  • Comment 45, posted at 09.04.17 12:27:47 by The hound Reply
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  • Sa rugby reduced to junk status … nice own goal saru

  • Comment 46, posted at 09.04.17 12:31:25 by byron Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 45) : Please enlighten me then. What exactly have the Kings/EP etc done on and off the field to deserve a place in Super Rugby?

  • Comment 47, posted at 09.04.17 12:43:06 by McLovin Reply

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  • Kings have won five matches in Super rugby. Ever.

    2 Against the Sunwolves.

    And one each against the Highlanders (2013), Jaguares, Force and Rebels.

  • Comment 48, posted at 09.04.17 12:51:31 by McLovin Reply

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  • Anyway, it’s sevens final time.

    SA v Fiji.

  • Comment 49, posted at 09.04.17 12:54:09 by McLovin Reply

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  • South Africa has over 600k rugby players. 4x more than nz and around 8x more than australia and yet saru think we dont have depth. We dont have the right skills coaches that is all.

  • Comment 50, posted at 09.04.17 12:59:25 by byron Reply

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  • @byron (Comment 50) : That’s one of the problems for sure.

  • Comment 51, posted at 09.04.17 13:03:35 by McLovin Reply

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  • Fiji score first.

  • Comment 52, posted at 09.04.17 13:06:12 by McLovin Reply

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  • And second… :roll:

  • Comment 53, posted at 09.04.17 13:07:50 by McLovin Reply

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  • 10 – 0 to Fiji

  • Comment 54, posted at 09.04.17 13:09:00 by McLovin Reply

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  • Half time

    Fiji 10 – 0 Boks

  • Comment 55, posted at 09.04.17 13:10:27 by McLovin Reply

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  • Boks missing too many stars. Can’t see them taking this one.

    Still lead the series though. :cool:

  • Comment 56, posted at 09.04.17 13:12:52 by McLovin Reply

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  • 17 – 0

  • Comment 57, posted at 09.04.17 13:14:44 by McLovin Reply

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  • Looks like that’s that then.

    Toodle pip everyone. :smile:

  • Comment 58, posted at 09.04.17 13:17:49 by McLovin Reply

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  • Hi…its not that we don’t have depth. ..yes you are right we need better skills and that counts but in the end it’s money…super rugby should make the SA teams and union as much money as they need to keep the best players contracted in their prime. Right now with teams not performing…stadiums are slack…money put into franchises etc ..players like Reinach shouldn’t be going now in their prime and with a bok jersey to play for. .we should have the money to invest and unfortunately that might mean we have better player quality in less franchises as a solution…look I know it’s kak…but something does need to be done.

  • Comment 59, posted at 09.04.17 14:24:35 by Sharkfinn Reply

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  • @byron (Comment 50) :

    How many players do SA have once you remove those who are clubmembers for nothing more than drinking beer in the bar.
    And those who are the result of clubs inflating their membership to increase a handout from the union.
    And the clubs who exists solely for the purpose of increasing a SARU payout to the union?

    How many players would AUS have if you include league and aussie rules.

  • Comment 60, posted at 09.04.17 14:24:50 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @byron (Comment 50) :

    Another question.

    If the only problem in SA is coaches, how come the SA teams with Kiwi coaches never fared any better than SA teams with SA coaches?

  • Comment 61, posted at 09.04.17 15:41:22 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 61) : When did kiwi coaches coach SA teams and how did they do? Can only think of Mains at the Lions and he did quite well.

    And please don’t say Plumtree.

  • Comment 62, posted at 09.04.17 18:28:38 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Sharkfinn (Comment 59) : Ticket sales count for very little when it comes to real money. TV rights is where the money is.

    It’s there that a far better deal needs to be negotiated. But it doesn’t seem like we have the brains nor the balls representing SA when it comes to negotiating a proper deal.

    The obvious option is to join the Northern hemisphere. Financially at least, SA teams would be much better off.

    But as things stand SA can hold onto most of it’s top Boks and youngsters, but it’s the ‘second tier’ players that are virtually impossible to keep.

    They can earn 2-3 times as much up north as they can do in SA. From a financial standpoint it’s a no brainer.

  • Comment 63, posted at 09.04.17 18:34:36 by McLovin Reply

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  • Yawn

  • Comment 64, posted at 09.04.17 18:40:04 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 64) : Burp

  • Comment 65, posted at 09.04.17 18:42:59 by McLovin Reply

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  • Soooooo,now we talking, very well done, great game frim Sharks, those argies are hard, mostly big, very skilled and abrasvise units, so for me, very well done, Sharks on the way

  • Comment 66, posted at 09.04.17 18:50:23 by benji Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 2) : JD mate against those chaps it was great rugby

  • Comment 67, posted at 09.04.17 18:51:24 by benji Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 1) : Hopefully never just like Bambie, there is no room for these avetage players in this kak hot team, the Sharks have moved up they dont belong anymore

  • Comment 68, posted at 09.04.17 18:53:18 by benji Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 67) : Great result, but certainly not great rugby. 40 knock-ons or something? Not great.

    But Sharks held out for a win. That’s all that counts.

  • Comment 69, posted at 09.04.17 18:53:33 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 15) : I owe u an apology, those Netball Players, eish, they made me eat my words, but play like that and I gladly eat my words, freakin well done

  • Comment 70, posted at 09.04.17 18:55:41 by benji Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 30) : Been saying Schreuder needs to come to Sharks from beginning of SR. Watched every game of Kings and seems a different player sans Toetie

  • Comment 71, posted at 09.04.17 18:56:31 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 30) : No mate the Sharks need Schreuder then the team is complete, his overall game just shows how rubbish CR is, go buy him Sharks and stop messing about

  • Comment 72, posted at 09.04.17 18:58:56 by benji Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 70) : No apology required old boy. All’s fair in love and rugby. I also thought they’d go down by about 20. But hey I’m chuffed to bits. Although one swallow does not the summer make. Lions next week and then off to middle earth. Could still go tits up very quickly.

  • Comment 73, posted at 09.04.17 18:59:57 by McLovin Reply

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  • @benji (Comment 70) : Was nice to see a Saffa team beat a kiwi team with skill, defence and fitness. No controversy, no cloak and dagger bullshit. Just good rugby.

    Have to admit I have watched SP Marais’s try about 23 times now and it’s yet to get old. :mrgreen: :lol:

  • Comment 74, posted at 09.04.17 19:02:44 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Shakes34 (Comment 29) : No mate its an issue ive mentioned many times before that the Sharks treat fans like rubbish as if they still the mighty, great Sharks of 2007, when the stadium was over packed

  • Comment 75, posted at 09.04.17 19:03:52 by benji Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 75) : @McLovin (Comment 73) : Thanks mate just pure skill and class and if they play like this they will be very hard to beat

  • Comment 76, posted at 09.04.17 19:06:03 by benji Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 75) : With supporters and not banners

  • Comment 77, posted at 09.04.17 19:21:15 by benji Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 74) : Yes

  • Comment 78, posted at 09.04.17 19:22:00 by benji Reply
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  • @Shakes34 (Comment 29) : @benji (Comment 75) : yes great PR indeed from a great man! Yes things wss bad in the past bt maybe things are improving! Anyway looking from afar looks like they are at least trying to change it.

  • Comment 79, posted at 09.04.17 19:29:39 by JD Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 72) : If he can give Cronje such a shine imagine what he could do next to Pat or Curwin.

  • Comment 80, posted at 09.04.17 19:48:34 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Doesn’t make sense to subbed the captain of the team?

  • Comment 81, posted at 09.04.17 19:55:08 by Roy Deysel Reply

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  • @Roy Deysel (Comment 81) : Quite common these days,Eddie Jones regularly subs Dylan Hartley and they won 18 tests in a row.

  • Comment 82, posted at 09.04.17 20:22:07 by The hound Reply
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  • @Roy Deysel (Comment 81) : wrong call, if you ask me. Dan should have gone off.

  • Comment 83, posted at 09.04.17 20:49:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 83) : What do you base that on,Dan was huge, seriously strong and in my mind pick of the forwards.The thing most people don’t realize is those twins together are like an extra man.
    Anyway if any one needed to go off it was Jean Luc played eery minute of every game this year, only player in the team who has done that

  • Comment 84, posted at 09.04.17 20:56:41 by The hound Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 80) : He has the skill to pass clean off the deck, straight flat pass putting attack on the front foot

  • Comment 85, posted at 09.04.17 21:53:56 by benji Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 62) :

    Also Mitchell and Putt as well as the name I’m not allowed to say. Is he not a kiwi and why should he not count?

    Mains did well. 3rd and 4th place, but then a good number of SA teams with SA coaches also made 3rd and 4th place.
    I’m looking for evidence that Kiwi coaches would do better than SA coaches.

    Muir took over from Putt and propelled the Sharks from bottom to top of the log in ~2years and rightfully a championship title in 2007. Plumtree with basically the same team could barely sneek into the playoffs.

    Ackermann inherited Mitchell’s 14th and 15th place team and went 12th, 8th and 2nd.

  • Comment 86, posted at 10.04.17 01:27:47 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 86) :

    Carlos Spencer also assisted notably insignificantly at the Lions for a while.

  • Comment 87, posted at 10.04.17 01:38:14 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 86) : Thanks. Was just asking, too lazy to look it up myself. :mrgreen:

    Whilst Plumtree and Putt are technically Kiwi, they started their coaching careers in SA. I think. And both represented SA in either sevens or 15′s. So not really kiwi coaches in my book. But that’s neither here nor there I suppose.

    Perhaps SA teams just require skills coaches for longer term, wherever they’re from.

  • Comment 88, posted at 10.04.17 06:57:15 by McLovin Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 86) : Putt captained the winning New Zealand side in the Hong Kong Sevens in l989, played 138 games for Natal (The Sharks) and was on the bench for South Africa eight times. played 10 games for the touring Springboks and one match against Argentina in SA, but no tests after sitting on the bench behind Joost for 8 internationals.

  • Comment 89, posted at 10.04.17 07:45:14 by The hound Reply
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  • Actually Plum coached wellington before the sharks he coached them about 4 years I think. Dunno where he was before that.

  • Comment 90, posted at 10.04.17 07:47:28 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 86) : Maybe had a bad super. But you gloss over the fact that he also won a currie cup back when it still had some status left. And was named coach of the year 2008?

  • Comment 91, posted at 10.04.17 08:00:35 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 83) : @The hound (Comment 84) : Got to agree with Rob on this one. Felt Dan’s hands were letting him down and he was looking tired. He’s been out a long time and probably needs to be played for 60minutes and build him back up to 80. Jean-Luc didn’t quite look himself either and he may very well be still recovering from last weeks mammoth effort. Mthembu is getting a lot of stick but feel he’s doing an admirable job in the role he’s clearly being asked to do.

    The boys have earned a week off, hopefully they all recharge and come back ready for part 2 of the tournament.

  • Comment 92, posted at 10.04.17 08:16:50 by Hulk Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 92) : Thing that irritates me is I know EXACTLY why people have a problem with Mtembu and it’s actually rather sickening. I’d love to give them a piece of my mind about it but can’t because of my own rules.

  • Comment 93, posted at 10.04.17 09:21:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • 2 High tackles/arms around the neck in the 1st 3 min against us, goes unnoticed.

  • Comment 94, posted at 10.04.17 09:27:56 by Quintin Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 93) : Please present your theory.

  • Comment 95, posted at 10.04.17 09:56:22 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • Guys must enjoy the break this weekend. Homework for Rob is to develop a strategy on how we are going to concern our forward and contact situations dominance into tries. We are seriously lacking in the bonus points from tries. Need to make up for for the games that we lost but should have actually won. 6 log points left on the field.

  • Comment 96, posted at 10.04.17 10:22:30 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • This game was brutal…and we expected as much…Dan needed game time..and Tera needed a break from those brutal argie hits. Yeah I wanted the Capt to stay on but in the end the decision was probably not bad by a coach thinking of the bigger picture. I am also not going to ride the anti Reinach train. It’s normal for 9 and 10′s to bond and every week it changes it sets things back… he is pure quality and good in a brutal battle…the other names given are known to vanish when things are aggresive. The two things that are needing work are still discipline and errors. The kicking game took a back seat and look what happened. I am chuffed at the progress and fwd pack depth and performance. Backline needs stability. Bosch superb. André superb. Can I even point out how good Luck Am is playing. Very chuffed supporter here.

  • Comment 97, posted at 10.04.17 10:46:22 by Sharkfinn Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 95) : go read what I said again and come up with your own conclusion.

  • Comment 98, posted at 10.04.17 10:59:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 93) : Agree with you fully. Seems some players are given an automatic pass by some fans and other players need to jump through hoops. Mthembu is a very good player and has contributed big time in each and every game. He’s captaincy has been outstanding.

  • Comment 99, posted at 10.04.17 11:21:35 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 98) : I am not one who base my facts on assumptions.

  • Comment 100, posted at 10.04.17 11:31:17 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 100) : Nor am I,in fact quite the obverse,I watched the game live and then again on PVR,
    Find it hard to fathom how you never appreciated the defence of the twins, they held that Jaguar pack on the back foot the whole game ,they were hardly ever driven back, sure they dropped a few balls, but not as many as the out of depth fly half.
    Rob needed to give Ginger a run and he took off the weakest of the loose trio.
    Another way to look at it is if you’re going to loose one of the four loose forwards on the park on Saturday who would you be prepared to loose.
    No contest in my mind.

  • Comment 101, posted at 10.04.17 11:46:42 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 101) : As you say the weakest link had to come off.

  • Comment 102, posted at 10.04.17 11:50:04 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • The Am/Esterhuizen partnership is excellent. Moving Am to the wing nullify his ability to an extent. Ward did not have the same impact at 13 but was sound. My opinion is that the 3 centres should not be on @ the same time for both halves unless we have absolutely no other option.

  • Comment 103, posted at 10.04.17 11:53:30 by sudhir Reply

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  • @sudhir (Comment 103) : Well we were limited a bit. Mvovo got hurt and Am probably the safest move to wing since has the pace. I didn’t even see smith on the roster, which made wonder why not just start with Bosch at 10 smith at 15 and bring Radebe in as a sub?

  • Comment 104, posted at 10.04.17 12:06:54 by coolfusion Reply

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  • I am going to drop a bomb. Like to apologize to those who are going to be shocked by my statement. Here goes….Thomas Du Toit should start both at the Sharks and Boks in the loose head position as he is the best loose head in the country.

  • Comment 105, posted at 10.04.17 23:25:22 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 84) : @Hulk (Comment 92) : @robdylan (Comment 93) : Hound think its time to take of the twins shaded glasses. Dan is a good player and have huge potential but was no where near his best and dropped a lot of balls.For sure he should have been the one to be subbed as he was the “weak link” on Saturday. Rob personally I think Tera is struggling with the SA mindset that all players playing 7 and 8 must be huge and run over opposition players. Problem is Tera like Kanko has a different skill set and will never be like Albert’s and Vermeulen who lives for running into contact. In the past I said Tera reminds me a lot of Jannie Breedt in the way he helps cover at full back and once or twice he saved the Sharks with cover tackles at the back. Much like EO, Tera (and a couple of people that see what he’s worth) will have to accept that he will never be one of the “crowd favourites” and will just have to win the over with hard grafting!!!

  • Comment 106, posted at 11.04.17 09:23:37 by JD Reply
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