Richard Ferguson

France Series: Springboks vs France


Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :France Series 2017, Original Content, Springboks on 10 Jun 2017 at 13:00
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Allister Coetzee and his Springboks kick off the 2017 International season in Pretoria this afternoon with plenty on the line for the coach, Captain Warren Whiteley and the rest of the team.

What would usually be a one sided affair between a fresh Springbok team and a European team filled with tired players at the end of their season, we sit with more questions and doubt than answers and confidence. There is certainly more on the line for the home team, with a general lack of confidence in the coach and his ability to inspire his charges. Coetzee has gone out on a limb and selected a fresh looking team, and although we have certain doubts, at least their is something being done. We will just have to wait until 19h00 tonight to find out if this change is for the better.

There will be plenty of players within the Springbok side that will be under some pressure, none more so than Warren Whiteley. The first time leader will have his hands full inspiring this new team whilst still finding his feet as a regular starter for the Boks. The back three debutants will also be under pressure to perform whilst there are plenty of questions to be asked about the inclusion of the Bulls centre pair.

These 23 players can start the resurgence of Springbok rugby, or could merely carry on in the same vein as the 2016 Springboks. We can only hope that it’s the former.

South Africa: 15 Andries Coetzee, 14 Raymond Rhule, 13 Jesse Kriel, 12 Jan Serfontein, 11 Courtnall Skosan, 10 Elton Jantjies, 9 Ross Cronje, 8 Warren Whiteley, 7 Teboho Mohoje, 6 Siyamthanda Kolisi, 5 Francois Mostert, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Frans Malherbe, 2 Malcolm Marx, 1 Tendai Mtawarira.
Replacements: 16 Mbongeni Mbonambi, 17 Steven Kitshoff, 18 Coenraad Oosthuizen, 19 Pieter-Steph du Toit, 20 Jean-Luc du Preez, 21 Francois Hougaard, 22 Francois Steyn, 23 Dillyn Leyds.

France: 15 Brice Dulin, 14 Yoann Huguet, 13 Henry Chavancy, 12 Gaël Fickou, 11 Virimi Vakatawa, 10 Jules Plisson, 9 Maxime Machenaud, 8 Loann Goujon, 7 Louis Picamoles, 6 Yacouba Camara, 5 Yoann Maestri (captain), 4 Julien le Devedec, 3 Uini Atonio, 2 Clément Maynadier, 1 Jefferson Poirot.
Replacements: 16 Camille Chat, 17 Eddy Ben Arous, 18 Mohamed Boughanmi, 19 Bernard le Roux, 20 Kevin Gourdon, 21 Baptiste Serin, 22 Jean-Marc Doussain, 23 Vincent Rattez.

Date: Saturday, 10 June 2017
Kick-off: 17.00 (15.00 GMT)
Venue: Loftus Versfeld, Pretoria
Expected weather conditions: Partly cloudy without any rain, a high of 18°C and a low of 6°C.
Referee: Glen Jackson (New Zealand)
Assistant referees: Ben O’Keeffe (New Zealand), Marius Mitrea (Italy)
TMO: Rowan Kitt (England)



68 Comments

  • Win by 1, and start building the next era in Bok rugby.

    By next year, we’ll get to see 10-Bosch, 12-AE, 13-Am, 14-Nkosi.

    For now, I’ll do my best to patiently support the Boks through thick and thin.

  • Comment 1, posted at 10.06.17 13:50:13 by FireTheLooser Reply
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  • Allister Coetzee could have tried to play it “safe” by doing a Heyneke Meyer, loading the team with overseas based players with 30+ caps. But he didn’t, instead he is doing this year what he should have done from the start last year, building his team around a “spine” of Lions players.

    All the Lions players are relatively inexperienced at international rugby but they are not inexperienced rugby players, most having played 40+ Super Rugby games.

    In addition to knowing each other well, these players were all involved in successfully rebuilding a team from scratch, playing and performing under the pressure of previous failures.

    Hopefully this will stand the Boks in good stead this afternoon. Compared to last year the Boks are much better prepared.

    It is a tough game to predict, with both the Boks and France playing with a number of inexperienced players. France’s forward pack is quite raw, while the Boks’ backs are very raw.

  • Comment 2, posted at 10.06.17 14:24:29 by Baylion Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 1) : Maybe the house must first be burned down to be rebuilt. Maybe their fall must be complete before Coetzee will be fired. I don’t see him winning a world cup or building a world beating bok side. Not at all.

  • Comment 3, posted at 10.06.17 14:25:50 by coolfusion Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 3) : A man with that capability would already have proven able to construct a working unit. Never mind the talent at his disposal nor their condition will daunt such men. We have seen such men, with such capabilities. This man is not one of them. The best we can hope for from AC is mediocrity. It will be better than he currently delivers but still far short from what is required. We will call it improvement, but it will never get where it should. False hope.

  • Comment 4, posted at 10.06.17 14:33:25 by coolfusion Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 3) : Our problems are deeper than anything AC can fix….we need a serious rethink about player and coaching development.

    I want to see us employ a similar structure to that of the Blitzbokke, where players are developed at at a national academy, as well as pre-identified coaches developed and brought up through the ranks.

    We need to stop firing entire coaching teams. Hansen and Smith has been with the AB’s since 2005.

    Continuity in the coaching and management box requires succession planning…..nobody was groomed to take over after pdv, hm and nobody is being groomed to take over after ac. Who’s next in line?

    Time to gritt our teeth, and get through this.

  • Comment 5, posted at 10.06.17 14:33:38 by FireTheLooser Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 5) : Sure but I don’t think he is the man to fix it, gritted teeth notwithstanding.

  • Comment 6, posted at 10.06.17 15:49:20 by coolfusion Reply
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  • So 30 mins before the game eskom decides its time to save power !!

  • Comment 7, posted at 10.06.17 16:37:23 by John Reply
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  • @John (Comment 7) : My alarm company was nice enough to let me know that I had a power failure…..quickly came home and flipped it back on and made sure the explora was still set to record.

  • Comment 8, posted at 10.06.17 16:45:57 by FireTheLooser Reply
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  • I really wanted to enjoy this game, then I heard Stransky’s nasal twang. :cry:

  • Comment 9, posted at 10.06.17 17:03:08 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • Books doing well so far. 6-0

  • Comment 10, posted at 10.06.17 17:34:13 by Poisy Reply
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  • We really need a Fetcher

  • Comment 11, posted at 10.06.17 17:37:07 by Poisy Reply
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  • Lots of running from the boks lots of chances just not taking them yet

  • Comment 12, posted at 10.06.17 17:40:07 by Poisy Reply
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  • Try kriel!!

  • Comment 13, posted at 10.06.17 17:43:19 by Poisy Reply
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  • Boks 13-0 frogs

  • Comment 14, posted at 10.06.17 17:44:14 by Poisy Reply
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  • Frogs try

  • Comment 15, posted at 10.06.17 17:47:05 by Poisy Reply
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  • Skosan with Habana syndrome and shooting out the line caused that try to happen

  • Comment 16, posted at 10.06.17 17:48:16 by Poisy Reply
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  • Boks 13-7 frogs 37min

  • Comment 17, posted at 10.06.17 17:48:46 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 16) : To be fair to him ot was a 2 on 1 and his inside players made no attempt to shift

  • Comment 18, posted at 10.06.17 17:52:03 by byron Reply

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  • Boks 16-7 frogs 39min jantjies pen

  • Comment 19, posted at 10.06.17 17:52:28 by Poisy Reply
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  • Boks 16-7 frogs HT

  • Comment 20, posted at 10.06.17 17:53:29 by Poisy Reply
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  • @byron (Comment 18) : true but I was taught you don’t shoot out if it’s not in the 22, you fall back and give your fullback a chance to join the line in defence

  • Comment 21, posted at 10.06.17 17:54:57 by Poisy Reply
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  • Must say the team looks more composed and cohesive. Not up to international standard. Just slightly better. Will it be enough?

  • Comment 22, posted at 10.06.17 17:56:40 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Well, it’s not France’s best, let’s not have premature celebration

  • Comment 23, posted at 10.06.17 18:01:25 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 22) : if they could just take they chances and be ruthless I reckon we could shock the all blacks at home

  • Comment 24, posted at 10.06.17 18:02:28 by Poisy Reply
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  • It doesn’t feel like the real Springboks with only one starting Shark

  • Comment 25, posted at 10.06.17 18:02:40 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • @SeanJeff (Comment 25) : nkosi for skosan that would be awesome

  • Comment 26, posted at 10.06.17 18:03:53 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 26) : Yep that power on the line could be awesome. Like a JP with more heart.

  • Comment 27, posted at 10.06.17 18:13:23 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Kriel could be good needs to trust himself. Put Steyn next him I want to see that.

  • Comment 28, posted at 10.06.17 18:21:04 by coolfusion Reply

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  • We pay the price for not taking our chances frogs score a try

  • Comment 29, posted at 10.06.17 18:23:43 by Poisy Reply
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  • Boks 16-14 frogs 56min

  • Comment 30, posted at 10.06.17 18:24:27 by Poisy Reply
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  • Serf should have been of steyn next to kriel. Stupid coach.

  • Comment 31, posted at 10.06.17 18:28:01 by coolfusion Reply

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  • That must be a penalty try.

  • Comment 32, posted at 10.06.17 18:29:43 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Penalty try for boks skosan impeded before he got the ball on the line.

  • Comment 33, posted at 10.06.17 18:29:48 by Poisy Reply
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  • Boks 23-14 frogs 59min

  • Comment 34, posted at 10.06.17 18:30:51 by Poisy Reply
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  • Try cronje!!!

  • Comment 35, posted at 10.06.17 18:32:16 by Poisy Reply
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  • Boks 30-14 frogs 62min

  • Comment 36, posted at 10.06.17 18:33:08 by Poisy Reply
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  • Our coach is an idiot. Kriel is playing the oppertunist. Keep him bring steyn on to break the line Jesse to take the gaps.

  • Comment 37, posted at 10.06.17 18:33:15 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Good awareness cronje

  • Comment 38, posted at 10.06.17 18:34:42 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Ugh hougaard. …

  • Comment 39, posted at 10.06.17 18:36:28 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Marx fast becoming one of my favorite forwards

  • Comment 40, posted at 10.06.17 18:37:03 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Try Jan!!!

  • Comment 41, posted at 10.06.17 18:39:53 by Poisy Reply
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  • Boks 37-14 frogs 69min

  • Comment 42, posted at 10.06.17 18:40:39 by Poisy Reply
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  • Well done to the Boks and coaching staff. :cool:

  • Comment 43, posted at 10.06.17 18:46:53 by McLovin Reply

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  • Seem to remember someone predicting a 15+ point win for the Boks on another thread. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 44, posted at 10.06.17 18:47:44 by McLovin Reply

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  • Etzebeth had a good game. Great on defence and some vital steals in the line outs.

  • Comment 45, posted at 10.06.17 18:51:00 by McLovin Reply

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  • Boks 37-14 frogs FT

  • Comment 46, posted at 10.06.17 18:53:15 by Poisy Reply
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  • Thanks AC, playing like this is good for business….long may it continue….happy patrons all round.

  • Comment 48, posted at 10.06.17 18:55:06 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Well done Bokke. Job done!

  • Comment 49, posted at 10.06.17 18:56:31 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • Great all round performance

  • Comment 50, posted at 10.06.17 18:56:33 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 48) : just so you know, AE scored 2 tries in the Sharksxv victory in Potch.

  • Comment 51, posted at 10.06.17 18:57:47 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Bench also did well, I thought RDup was huge on defense when he came on.

  • Comment 52, posted at 10.06.17 18:59:53 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 51) : Excellent….really miffed that he’s not with the Boks.

    What was the score there. (Can’t tap or copy your link on app)?

  • Comment 53, posted at 10.06.17 19:02:32 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 53) : 40-24

  • Comment 54, posted at 10.06.17 19:09:19 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @SeanJeff (Comment 23) : Had AC decided to pull in all the eligible Boks from overseas the Boks could have looked a better team. He went SA only (mostly) and we had a less experienced team than the French.

    30+ caps Boks not used
    Schalk Burger
    Bryan Habana
    Ricky Januarie
    Wynand Olivier
    JP Pietersen
    Ruan Pienaar
    Bismarck du Plessis
    Jannie du Plessis
    Morné Steyn
    Zane Kirchner
    Francois Louw
    Flip van der Merwe
    Willem Alberts
    Willie le Roux

    The record will show it was France vs the Boks. Point.

    Jeez, will people stop diminishing the Bok “achievements? Get behind the rebuild instead of looking for another Geriatric Bok side.

    Malcolm Marx today outplayed anything that Bismarck ever did for the Boks, given the position the Boks were in.
    Ross Cronje had a solid game
    Etzebeth found his vigour again

    Sorry, I just get a bit p..!..ssed off when nothing the Boks do is ever good enough for some people

  • Comment 55, posted at 10.06.17 19:50:51 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 55) : To be fair this is probably the worst French team I have seen play in a long time. Very lateral and slow on attack, set pieces were poor and defense was.inconsistent.
    They will get alot better.

  • Comment 56, posted at 10.06.17 20:02:08 by byron Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 55) : Hey hey hey hey…..don’t diss the Biss. :)

    Lions shades apart, Boks today did what they couldn’t last year against an under strength Irish.

    I’m happy, the Boks now have a base to build on.

  • Comment 57, posted at 10.06.17 20:07:48 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @byron (Comment 56) : @FireTheLooser (Comment 57) : Don’t we just love to say the opposition is understrength, as if we are at full strength.

    Fact is, had AC gone full HM and called up a lot of overseas based players we could have been much “stronger” but it would not have helped us for 2019.

    Fact: The Bok team today was less experienced at international rugby than the French team.
    Fact: We had more rookies in the Bok team than the French in their team
    Fact: our team had less international caps than the French team

    Seriously, why always knock your own?

  • Comment 58, posted at 10.06.17 20:23:14 by Baylion Reply

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  • There was much to be happy about…definitely a step forward compared to last year. Good performances by Marx, Mostert, Whitely, Cronje and Coetzee. Elton was also quite good. Kriel cannot be our 13…he has pace, runs good lines but simply does not have strong enough front on defence for 13. What France did for their second try (run clean through/over him and score an easy try) will be done by better sides all day long against him. But I’m happy with this first step…

  • Comment 59, posted at 10.06.17 20:28:11 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 58) : Breath….breath some more…..continue breathing….it will all be okay.

  • Comment 60, posted at 10.06.17 20:49:39 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 60) : :grin:

  • Comment 61, posted at 10.06.17 20:50:26 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 61) : ….now, I’m not attacking the Boks, on the contrary.

    Like for like, we’re way ahead of the game than where we were last year this time.

    Boks will improve (same as the baby boks did this year), and even though France will have better players available for this coming weekend, this new Bok chapter kicked off with a win. By next weekend they’d have gelled more.

    I’m feeling optimistic.

  • Comment 62, posted at 10.06.17 20:56:03 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 62) : My reaction was based on a combination of comments on different sites, not only SW

  • Comment 63, posted at 10.06.17 20:59:20 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 58) : I didnt say they were understrength … I said they were poor. Subtle difference ;p

  • Comment 64, posted at 10.06.17 21:09:05 by byron Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 59) : Kriel also makes poor decisions on attack. I still think he is better at 15 or even maybe at wing.

    Marx was really good, Etzebeth stopped his nonsense and played for a change, Cronje provided good calm service, Elton was mostly good and Andries was excellent at 15.

  • Comment 65, posted at 10.06.17 21:22:46 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 63) : We’ll have to patiently support the Boks, that includes ignoring the plethora of naysayers.

    SA is in a very angry space, so finding positives is not within everybody’s reach yet….let’s try to give them time.

  • Comment 66, posted at 10.06.17 21:27:30 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 65) : Agreed on all of the above…and Kriel is definitely better at 15 than at 13…

  • Comment 67, posted at 11.06.17 06:49:18 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 44) : Well done you win the meat hamper.

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