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Bloody awful weekend


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 3 Jul 2017 at 10:13
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There really wasn’t a lot to get excited about this weekend if you’re a Sharks fan, with the Bulls enjoying somewhat of a mini renaissance and beating our team twice in the two fixtures played.

There’s not a lot to be said about the performances of either side, really. The Sharks Super Rugby side, for the first time this season, picked up no log points at all in a fixture, surrendering their home undefeated record and going down 17-30 to a Bulls team that made scoring tries look just too easy.

Adding further to the misery, the Blue Bulls then beat the Sharks XV 23-18 in the Supersport Challenge quarter-final in Cape Town on Sunday, this despite being down to 14 men for 50 minutes of the game (and 13 men for the last 10).

Neither Sharks team really got going at all and perhaps we do need to be just a little kind and ask to what extent injuries played their part. For sure, the Sharks senior side missed the likes of Beast Mtawarira, Jean-Luc du Preez, Ruan Botha, Kobus van Wyk, Lukhanyo Am and Lwazi Mvovo. Those were some of the real in-form men the last time they played and their loss, coupled with the fact that the disjointed nature of their season doesn’t allow for any real continuity, means that the Sharks really did have to start from scratch with a brand new team this weekend.

Not, I’ll say, that the performance dished up was in any way defensible or excusable even despite these factors. The Sharks were simply rubbish on the day and as a supporter, I can only wring my hands in despair at a team that seemingly has so little respect for their fans that they cannot manage to “switch on” every time they take the field. There are enough senior players in that team – guys with experience aplenty at this level – that we should not need to endure such a gutless and spineless showing in any game, much less at home against a traditional enemy.

The Sharks XV, somehow, managed to be worse. I’ll give them a little more benefit of the doubt, though, in that they really were without a number of key players due to both injuries and Sharks call-ups. Credit to Marius Louw, though, who despite putting in a shift at Kings Park on Friday night managed to be about the only guy in that Sharks XV outfit on Sunday who pitched up and looked something like a rugby player.

So, all-in-all, there’s very little room for positivity at the moment – and what’s even more frustrating, we have to wait nearly two weeks to see our team in action again. Given that the Lions scored 90 points over the weekend, while the Sharks couldn’t even manage to catch a ball with any regularity, I’m not sure how many of us are even going to tune in for the inevitable slaughter of the last round, but at least it should give us a bit of practice for what the Crusaders will do to us in the quarter finals.

Or perhaps this team will find some backbone? We, their loyal but impatient fans, can only live in hope.



110 Comments

  • In a rather serendipitous turn of events on Friday evening, I could only watch the first half. Thank the almighty for rubbish internet.

  • Comment 1, posted at 03.07.17 10:28:41 by vanmartin Reply
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  • I can half understand the Sharks 15 team being demotivated to an extent, these guys clawed their way back into contention with some good performances only to be told to go and play with their box of spiders last weekend while the Super squad players take over for the last game. Not good for motivation, team spirit etc.

    This experiment clearly did not help either team

  • Comment 2, posted at 03.07.17 10:41:32 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • There’s just no excuse, other than Paige, Serfontein and Kriel, the Bulls were man-for-man the far inferior team on paper……’cept for the man they had on e-mail – wonder whether he was in the coaches box via skype?

    Can the Sharks please appoint a head coach via VR, email and Skype?(the possibilities are endless, anyone of Eddie Jones, Joe Schmidt and JW could coach the Sharks in their spare time)

  • Comment 3, posted at 03.07.17 10:48:25 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 3) : Don’t think we can blame the recourses the Bulls might or might not have had in John Mitchel. The Bulls had two newbies on both wings that made our experienced backline look like rookies. Our line-outs were just poor and our handling cost us dearly. Also not sure why everyone is so intimidated by Serfontein all of the sudden. He had a kak season before the international break.

  • Comment 4, posted at 03.07.17 11:06:31 by boertjie101 Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 3) : it’s a sad day when Paige can be cited as being a superior player to what w have at the Sharks… :sad:

  • Comment 5, posted at 03.07.17 11:07:24 by Culling Song Reply
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  • Can’t blame April’s efforts, but just wish he can learn to take the tackle and distribute the ball rather than his attempted offloads just before a hit after he gained 30+ metres on a line-break

  • Comment 6, posted at 03.07.17 11:08:41 by boertjie101 Reply

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  • @boertjie101 (Comment 4) : I’m worried that we’re stuck with Nollis 2.0 – except our Nollis has 3 kids that will always be assured of a starting spot at the expense of everyone else.

    CC is coming, and mark my words, it will be Dan at 8, and Robert at 10….and 6 flank will be whomever is supposed to be playing eightman ahead of Dan.

  • Comment 7, posted at 03.07.17 11:11:49 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 5) : Your favourite male model’s inability to turn left is very apt for Ben10, just in his case, he can’t pass right.

    We did look better when Claasens came on, 5 kids in, and he’s still quicker than Rienach, with a crisp pass from the base of the ruck.

  • Comment 8, posted at 03.07.17 11:17:02 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 7) : :lol: So I presume you are going to be going into default mode soon, when can we expect to see the link to your “Petition to have Robert du Preez removed as Sharks coach” posted here. :twisted:

  • Comment 9, posted at 03.07.17 11:18:53 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 9) : As with Nollis, RdP should remain, just get a quality head coach via internet. ;)

  • Comment 10, posted at 03.07.17 11:23:28 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • The amount of time we had the Bulls scrambling on defence and a stupid 50/50 pass that either went forward or behind the player or was stolen by the opposition was astounding. This team (once again) looked like they turned up to a game playing an “inferior team” (like the Kings twice and the Rebels) and thought they’d blast them out the park with exhibition rugby that only made us look like amateurs. And what made things worse was as the game progressed and that didn’t work the seniors of the team didn’t manage to pull the guys together and tell them to tighten up and play smart. All we did was try to run more, throw more long passes, flicks and crazy off loads. This Sharks team isn’t lacking talent and I feel that our coaches aren’t incapable of doing the job at this level. What this team isn’t doing is being a professional outfit that takes all opponents seriously, and its clear that the effort put in for the “minnow” teams is something to be desired.

    I want the players and coaches to stop saying after every poor game they want to repay the fans with a good performance, just to have a good game the following week and go back to playing kak the next week. I want our team to say we want to prove to our fans we are a professional side that takes all games deadly serious, that can string 18 games together where the group looks like they planned for the match. And I want to see our coaches being harsh on those players that don’t perform on the day. Dan du Preez should be very lucky being in the next match day 23, same goes for Reinarch. I think those 2 were our worst players on the day.

  • Comment 11, posted at 03.07.17 11:24:12 by Hulk Reply

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  • I was at the game and I must admit, we did not look interested.

    The Bulls sliced through our backline like they were on a training ground. The passion we have shown all season on defence was sorely lacking.

  • Comment 12, posted at 03.07.17 11:26:59 by StevieS Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 7) : you reckon RdP picks the twins because they are his sons?

  • Comment 13, posted at 03.07.17 12:25:13 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @Hulk (Comment 11) : Agreed. That’s a good summation of the situation.

  • Comment 14, posted at 03.07.17 12:42:49 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 10) : What are you doing between 05.00 and 17.00.

  • Comment 15, posted at 03.07.17 13:28:26 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 15) : I said “Quality”. ;)

    @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 13) : Who’s the better 8: Ginger or Dan?

  • Comment 16, posted at 03.07.17 13:41:30 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 16) : Ginger. He wouldve been a 50 cap Wallaby if he was born there. Just not sure a guy would pick his sons just because they are his sons. Such a kak situation to be in actually. Everytime any of them have an off game….

  • Comment 17, posted at 03.07.17 14:08:56 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @Hulk (Comment 11) : Reinach and Dan have been there on more than one occasion. RdP needs to sack up and make the underperforming boys get splinters in their backsides. You have to work hard to earn your spot every weekend. Hurricanes and all blacks drop high profile players like savea often. We should too, if they let the team down. Said it Friday and will say it again today. 15 individuals will never beat a team of 15

  • Comment 18, posted at 03.07.17 14:26:00 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 17) : Jean-luc deserves his spot, Dan unfortunately is a cc player at best. Daddy needs to pick on form not on family

  • Comment 19, posted at 03.07.17 14:30:25 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 17) : I’m frustrated with our lack of balance in the loose…..Ginger should be at 8, Keegan at 6 (or buy Kwagga)…but Rob seems wholly disinterested in balancing our loose trio, in favour of having both Ginger and Dan on the field.

    If Rob jr. comes, we’ll see players morale drop – because Rob will be kept at 10, Dan will be kept at 8, and everyone will have to play musical chairs to accomodate those two.

  • Comment 20, posted at 03.07.17 14:35:43 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 20) : Eish, its a time bomb this. Any way you look at it.

  • Comment 21, posted at 03.07.17 14:47:39 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 20) : Did you guys manage to catch the Sharks XV game – I’m not sure that there is another ‘on form’ player to replace Dan or Cobus.out of the 45 man squad that was named at the beginning of the season.

  • Comment 22, posted at 03.07.17 15:39:05 by Julesgr8ter Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 21) : completely predictable, I’m afraid, And it’s a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation.

  • Comment 23, posted at 03.07.17 15:39:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • Yes, either way it might be perceived as bias. Ackerman finds himself in the same predicament.

    It does not really matter whether the player deserve the spot or not, but it is the perception that maybe the player doesn’t have to do as much as the rest to retain his spot. In such instances it’s better to withdrawn… meaning children should play for another union or coach should coach another team. Even this possible solution might be perceive as unfair.

    And as I said before, Keegan and rest of Sharks 15 might not have played that well on Sunday, (and I do question some of the interpretations of the ref), but Keegan has done enough in the other Sharks 15 games that I am of opinion that he deserve a spot in the Sharks team. I have watch most of the Sharks 15 games this season and Keegan played well..

    We need a leader in the Sharks team, which we don’t have and Keegan in my opinion is best to step into that role at this stage

  • Comment 24, posted at 03.07.17 15:54:16 by BluffShark Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 20) : I think you are making too big an issue of the family connection. If RdP(snr) wasn’t head coach you would have been delighted about the (possible) signing of RdP(jnr) especially considering the uncertainty around Lambie’s future.

    Comments like this might just have the opposite effect and he might be more reluctant to play his sons while they are possibly best in their positions. There is a huge difference between Supersport challenge rugby and SupeRugby. I don’t believe we’ve seen clear enough evidence to start accusing RdP of nepotism.

  • Comment 25, posted at 03.07.17 15:56:30 by Pokkel Reply
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  • My biggest issue with the Sharks is the fact that they just don’t show up against weaker opposition. We’ve won 9 from 14. We lost against the Reds, Kings, Bulls and drew against the Force. The only game we ‘deserved’ to lose was against the Lions( by 5 points). This is not a new issue but something that has plagued the Sharks for many years. When is the last time the Sharks really put away a weak team with a proper cricket score?

  • Comment 26, posted at 03.07.17 16:06:14 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 25) : @Pokkel (Comment 26) : Sanity prevails.

  • Comment 27, posted at 03.07.17 16:12:45 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 26) : Rebels March 2013 64-7

  • Comment 28, posted at 03.07.17 16:26:06 by jdolivier Reply

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  • There are so many problems it is scary, people many of us wanted for example Keegan back in the SR team, but like he played on Sunday there is no way in hell for him to be put into the S team, And yes i too was one calling for his return.

    The standard of coaching is just not at the top level, and that goes for from our schools right up, our scouting has gotten very bad since Streauli left, look at the junior players we recruit and loot at those at WP or the Lions or the Bulls, we buy most of the midgets :shock: yes these small players have their good moments but look at their competitiveness over all and they do not make it.

    In a tight game as much as we all rate Senatla when it comes to 15 he fails more often than not, 7s yes superb.
    And so the list of examples can go on and on.

  • Comment 29, posted at 03.07.17 16:26:27 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • One point i forgot to mention and again it came to the fore, no mental preparation, look at how psyched the Bulls teams were compared to our teams. their hunger to win, their heart their attitude on the field it all showed.

  • Comment 30, posted at 03.07.17 16:28:45 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 26) : True fact.

  • Comment 31, posted at 03.07.17 16:29:38 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 26) : @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 27) : @Pokkel (Comment 25) : 100% agree.
    During the NZ vs British Lions game on Saturday when SBW was red carded, the commentators suggested that there is a totally different mindset that needs to be implemented when playing against fewer men and they speculated whether the B Lions would be able to make that mental shift – The same goes for the mental game against a weaker team – I really believe that SA teams, and in particular the Sharks, battle with the psychological game.

  • Comment 32, posted at 03.07.17 16:35:22 by Julesgr8ter Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 25) : RdP jnr. as backup to both Lambie and Bosch yes, but I haven’t been the biggest fan of Rob jr., he’s very inconsistent…either brilliant, or decidedly mediocre.

    I am basing my opinion on how RdP has dealt with Dan, and playing him at 8 ahead of Ginger, and playing Ginger out of position at 6 has me seriously questioning RdP’s integrity regarding this…..I am a firm believer in playing specialists in their position – we have no more specialist opensiders…..Franna left (not sure whether it was of his own accord or not).

    @Julesgr8ter (Comment 22) : We chased our only openside flank away (or he left by himself – Francois Kleinhans)….2nd in line at 6 for me would be Keegan, but he’s not getting a shot either.

  • Comment 33, posted at 03.07.17 16:57:02 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • I would love an article that addresses the root cause of the problem and moves away from statements such as didn’t pitch on the day, attitude not right etc. If you train a certain way it becomes second nature which means to start to play a certain and after a while you become consistent.

  • Comment 34, posted at 03.07.17 17:14:14 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 26) : @GreatSharksays (Comment 34) : could the root cause be a Durban thing? Maybe living here with money and fame is just too lekker :twisted:

  • Comment 35, posted at 03.07.17 17:29:22 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 34) : Great teams win even when they don’t pitch 100% mentally. I think our problem is due to a lack of attention to detail (doing the small things correctly – rugby is a game of inches) and not a lot of skill in decision making (making the right decisions is as much a skill as catching a ball or passing accurately at full pace).

  • Comment 36, posted at 03.07.17 17:31:39 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • So it’s RdP fault that we lost? Because he favours his sons. Bullshit! We lost because the players lacked intensity. April, Sbura, Reinach, Franco and Van der Walt were very poor followed closely by Terry and Dan. Yes Van der Walt! This was his worst game. Made a lot of handling errors , ran like he had lead filled in his boots and was poor as captain. Vermeulen was the best loose on the park. All the bench players made an impact. But RdP must shoulder the blame for not taking off April. Bosch could have moved to 10, CR to 15 and Claasens to 9.

  • Comment 37, posted at 03.07.17 18:17:01 by sudhir Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 36) : Some time ago I saw a lot of tweets from Lions players saying “embrace the grind”….not much else to do in Jo’burg. Supposedly that was one of the big issues players had with JW, he expected them to put in the hours, they obviously did not see the need to “embrace the grind”….

  • Comment 38, posted at 03.07.17 19:00:01 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 36) : Permission to qualify your comment. Well coached teams win…..

  • Comment 39, posted at 03.07.17 19:00:57 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 20) : I believe you can play a big 3 trio as we are (think back to the Warathas, Lions and Jaguars) if they become dominant we look good and you start to soften up the opposition, but the issue with that is when there’s no fire we look totally lost. This big trio can work and does but the second they aren’t playing super aggressive the whole thing implodes.

  • Comment 40, posted at 03.07.17 20:20:07 by Hulk Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 29) : That was 1 game. No one complained when they won all the rest of the xv games. Can we quickly go back to the archives and comments on those matches?

  • Comment 41, posted at 03.07.17 20:25:01 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @sudhir (Comment 37) : Don’t waste your breath. This is a witch hunt again. God forbid the problems lie with the players being too dumb ass to read a game and change tactics mid game, or remember to defend, or do anything their coach teaches them, after all they are professionals which implies they do this for a living?

  • Comment 42, posted at 03.07.17 20:29:10 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 23) : This was something they should have dealt with at the time of RDP’s appointment. The fact that they seem to have not even recognize the potential issue back then is yet another fail at top management level.

  • Comment 43, posted at 03.07.17 20:33:34 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 42) : Dumb English players were too stupid to even make the play-offs of their home rwc, poor coach got fired.

    The vrry next year, the players miraculously became clever geniuses who have gone on to equal the ab’s winning record – nothing to do with their newly appointed coach. :roll:

  • Comment 44, posted at 03.07.17 20:37:31 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 44) : Ah so the bulls with just email help are able to beat us who have a live and involved coach. That says that the bulls players may listen and respond better to email instructions than our guys do to their live and in person coach? As for the England vs sharks comparison…….really?

  • Comment 45, posted at 04.07.17 06:35:56 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 45) : I would rather believe the theories that the guys are still a bit too lazy and less passionate than they should be. We speak about character a lot but we don’t really have all that character yet that’s what still makes us a cc outfit and not a SR one. We cannot keep blaming and changing coaches. We rarely get outplayed we very often sink ourselves that smacks of player culture issues.

  • Comment 46, posted at 04.07.17 06:44:19 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 44) : Well answered. You play the way you train. If Cobus has not been clearing the ball within 3 seconds at training since last year August, don’t expect it to be second nature and for it to be done during a game. If guys are not running with intensity at an angle and catching bullet passes during training don’t expect them to catch them during the game. If the attack shape during training constant sessions is not resulting in tries, don’t expect tries during the game. If guys are not catching up and unders whilst being hunted down by people that want to a) get the ball or b) hurt them. Don’t expect them to catch them during the game. If you buy players with no flair don’t expect them to miraculously have flair during the game and unlock well drilled defenses with a step during the game. If you appoint a coaching team that does not have a track record of success at the highest level, don’t expect them to succeed at the highest level… You have to get a DOR that has been there and done that to guide them through the heavy fog. We have a serious problem as well, our scouting for players and depth is shocking . Sharks seem to not want or rate players which are termed “game breakers”…and we wonder why we are not winning those tight games that require a moment of brilliance. Stormers just procured Petersen and Rhule to add to their wing arsenal. Game breakers!!! What is happening at the Sharks is just mind blowing.

  • Comment 47, posted at 04.07.17 07:35:53 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 46) : How come NZ teams never use terms such as: lazy, lacked intensity, did not pitch, not passionate etc ? Do yourself a favour a read the article on Nollis and what Mitchell has already changed at the Bulls via email. They have increased the intensity during training, the are working on a defense and attack shape…. all through email. We here about how NZ teams train, we here the best coaches talk about the importance of training at intensity so that things become easy during the game. We still believe that the guys are using the best training methods and are just lazy when it comes to the execution during the game. They are not passionate…. lol. Biggest joke ever. Our coaches need someone that is going to coach them first.

  • Comment 48, posted at 04.07.17 07:46:13 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • Was a dark weekend indeed!!!

  • Comment 49, posted at 04.07.17 07:57:51 by JD Reply
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  • Sad to say but at the moment I see only 2 sides that can win Super rugby and the Sharks are not even close to those two sides!!!!!!!
    In other news great victory by the Kings in Argentina!!! Great credit must go to the players for standing up and performing in the face of being axed from the competition!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 50, posted at 04.07.17 08:01:30 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 50) : and we will see just how far behind we are when we play both of those sides back to back. Hooooo boy

  • Comment 51, posted at 04.07.17 08:32:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 51) : So how did we get so far behind those sides from the time we played the Kiwi’s last year and the Lions in Johannesburg earlier this year?

  • Comment 52, posted at 04.07.17 08:52:28 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 52) : It certainly wasn’t Nollis 2.0′s fault :twisted:

  • Comment 53, posted at 04.07.17 09:25:26 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 45) : I could always use the Saders….they’ve been as good as the Sharks during Blackadder’s tenure (reached quarters, semi’s and finals, but never won it)….now they have this new guy and they’ve smashed the record for most wins in SR – they’ve had to do it without a large core of senior ab’s that have either retired or moved abroad.

    Either way, a lot has to do with how a coach conveys his gameplan to the players….clearly Mitchel’s e-mail instructions were easily conveyed, and easily implemented. (something that I believe JW was a master at, kept it stupid enough for guys to grasp within a few Bok training camps).

  • Comment 54, posted at 04.07.17 09:31:03 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 51) : @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 52) : @FireTheLooser (Comment 53) : I’m still 150% convinced the Sharks needs a sport psychologist!!!!!!! Why do Sharks always lose against “bottom” sides that other top teams dispatch without a lot of trouble!?!?!? It’s all in the head and untill that’s fixed Sharks will not win any major trophies!!!!

  • Comment 55, posted at 04.07.17 09:46:18 by JD Reply
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  • The biggest problem facing both Sharks teams on the weekend was their handling. We really seem very awkward when passing and make a lot of handling errors. I truly believe that until the Sharks handling is fixed we wont compete for trophies. The handling has been a constant issue for a number of years now.

  • Comment 56, posted at 04.07.17 09:57:46 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 53) : Is that your new name for Robert du Preez?

  • Comment 57, posted at 04.07.17 10:11:08 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 55) : Im sure that would help, but maybe not because I’m sure I read here that they already have one.

  • Comment 58, posted at 04.07.17 10:13:33 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 56) : The best appreciation of space and passing to someone in a better position was demonstrated by a prop and a hooker in the lead to Bosch’s try.

  • Comment 59, posted at 04.07.17 10:13:37 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 47) : It’s the same team and coach that comfortably beat the Stormers before the June break….

  • Comment 60, posted at 04.07.17 10:25:24 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 60) : Our chief destroyers Botha and JLDP were not available against the Bulls. That win was built on the brutal physicality of our forwards and the all round motivation of everyone on the field to tackle any Stormer that touched a ball. It was a great win but one still built on Gees.

    I think the problem with the Sharks team (and most SA teams) is that the day everyone is not 100% motivated we come short. Our general skills and decision making are still not on the level that it can help us win games where the opposition may just be that 2-4% more motivated than we are.

  • Comment 61, posted at 04.07.17 10:36:31 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Tried very hard, very hard, to resist commenting here but some of the unadulterated shit posted here cannot go unchallenged.
    Firstly Bulls brought a very hard physically strong team.Every one in that team fired up about the bright prospects of their future.
    We on the other hand went in without our two biggest physical weapons,Jean Luc and Ruan,
    Beast was missing as well,Esterhuizen and Ooosthuizen have been totally intimidated into playing at 50%of their physicality, and seriously you can’t afford to go into a gun fight with the Bulls armed with two pen knives Bosch and April.
    The other unfortunate occurrence was losing Franco,truely the most improved physical player in the team
    .@Pokkel (Comment 60) : Exactly and the very guys who were praising the team here after that game are now calling for the coaches head.
    This was a nothing game for us but avery important game for the Bulls
    And our weakest link was not Dan but the one who has been serial failure for a long time Reinarch,drop him now.

  • Comment 62, posted at 04.07.17 10:42:32 by The hound Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 61) : I agree, as previously said….the inconsistencies are infuriating but is that RdP’s problem? This problem has been around since at least the Plumtree era.

    I don’t know the solution but we can’t keep replacing coaches every time the Sharks have a kak game.

  • Comment 63, posted at 04.07.17 10:45:00 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 63) : we can’t keep changing coaches, I agree. But who in the name of living fuck is able to get these damn players to perform consistently? Why is it SO HARD?

    I just don’t get it.

  • Comment 64, posted at 04.07.17 10:59:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 63) : The same old problems stay with us year after year
    - can’t maintain possession long enough to either force a penalty or score a try
    - we are very vulnerable to fetching type players plundering us at the breakdown
    - attack is slow, one dimensional and easily read
    - poor discipline costs us
    - we manufacture the odd line break but through poor decision making / poor support these hardly ever come to fruition
    - we seem to rely on individual brilliance more than team effort
    - we win by playing hard, not smart
    - some players need to move elsewhere to improve their skills – Craig Burden had to move to Toulon to become a more complete hooker

    The most successful coach is recent years has been Jake who relied on a very conservative kick & defend game plan. Unfortunately due to a lack of bonus points that only took us that far in that we have to travel to NZ for playoffs.

    I honestly don’t know what the problem is

  • Comment 65, posted at 04.07.17 10:59:36 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 64) : @Bokhoring (Comment 65) : Neither do any of us……

  • Comment 66, posted at 04.07.17 11:03:57 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 64) : That Bulls side should never ever have been in the position they are in, this year.
    It is a side packed with talent, to think we were going to roll this team if they fired with 60% of our fire power missing is incredibly naive.
    They were superior to us in nearly every position,

  • Comment 67, posted at 04.07.17 11:05:22 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 67) : Even a Sharks team without 5 key players (Botha, JLDP, Am, Van Wyk and Mvovo) should have at least been competitive against a fired up Bulls team missing a lot of experience, two lightweight wings and an inexperienced flyhalf. We were soundly klapped at home.

  • Comment 68, posted at 04.07.17 11:13:02 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 67) : eh hang on buddy. Hang on.

    Really?

    Conrad van Vuuren better than Coenie? Lizo Gqoboka better than Thomas? Jenkins better than Oosthuizen? Nic de Jager better than Dan (ok, maybe)…. Tony Jantjies in his first start? Two debutant wingers?

    I buy that we were understrength, but shit, so were they.

  • Comment 69, posted at 04.07.17 11:14:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • Both Teams were under strength, It again comes back to heart and wanting to win, Sharks are Yo-Yo like up and down, It is A part of the game I have been saying for years is a problem, so no it not just with Robert as coach, even under Plum we lack that Killer instinct against weaker teams, we fall flat most times in play off, it is not that we lack skills, and I feel under Robert we are actually playing some damn good rugga, but it is in the Mental side of the game we keep failing at so many times.

    How many times on Friday did we see wrong options taken? how many times were there fancy passes when no pass should have been thrown???

    Then in my view and I will say it again, our recruitment of players has gone south since Rudolph left, we but small little players who yes are nippy at school level but when the big league comes around what then? I am not saying buy only big players but we need to buy the right players like the Bulls do, they have had poor coaches of late, but their recruitment is pretty damn good.

  • Comment 70, posted at 04.07.17 11:55:55 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 57) : Yep…too much of the current Sharks situation reminds me of the Bulls – we at least did not have to go through Ludeke first, so a small plus for us.

  • Comment 71, posted at 04.07.17 12:24:53 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • The last time we did really well consistently is when we had enough humility to actually listen to the coach and not devolve into individual play. Yes I too would like to know what or who it would take for these guys to listen. As for the bulls a whole season of being utterly kak and defeated all their fans calling for their heads and pure unadulterated shame may have been enough if a shock for them to pull their heads out their arse and pay attention to instructions. At that point even emailed instructions that are adhered to is better than in person coaching that you choose to ignore. I also refuse to believe Reinach plays what he has been coached. He has been playing this bullshit game of his under quite a few coaches not just RdP. They have been coaching this?

  • Comment 72, posted at 04.07.17 12:50:38 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 64) : a recent coach tried to introduce discipline. It worked until they ran off and cried to there mommies.

  • Comment 73, posted at 04.07.17 14:05:54 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 70) : Decision making is a skill that can also be improved.

  • Comment 74, posted at 04.07.17 14:23:19 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 73) : I’m 100% with you on that.

    As the cliché goes: if you want to achieve something you’ve never achieved before, you need to do what you’ve never done before……getting out of bed before 8 in the morning would be a good start.

    There’s a reason a guy like Terblanche had such a long career: disciplined to the core.

  • Comment 75, posted at 04.07.17 14:28:33 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 71) : Actually Ludekke won the Super rugby final twice, so your comment is insidious,and as for your second comment I watched Franco Marais surfing at Snake Park at 5.30 the other morning ,bet you were fast asleep with your hand in your jocks.

  • Comment 76, posted at 04.07.17 15:43:23 by The hound Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 75) : Ya we have all been looking for answers all season. But I also think we are missing that total commitment to excellence.

  • Comment 77, posted at 04.07.17 17:30:48 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 76) : I think you’ve identified the problem. Why was he surfing at Snake Park and not at Kings Park practising his lineout throws? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 78, posted at 04.07.17 17:34:10 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 76) : Statements like “Ludeke won SR trophy twice” is why I can’t take any of your hysterical comments seriously…..move along, nothing to see here.

  • Comment 79, posted at 04.07.17 18:40:39 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Fact:
    Frans Ludeke won 2 SR titles with the Bulls teams he coached in 2009 and 2010.

    Fire The Looser Alternative Fact:
    Frans Ludeke did not win 2 SR titles.
    Believe you me!

  • Comment 80, posted at 04.07.17 19:26:34 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 80) : ….so everyone should be clamouring adter both Ludeke and PdV – funny how, despite them being two of the top 5/6 most successful coaches ever produced by SA, nobody wants them……only a crow can’t see past their shiny silverware. ;)

  • Comment 81, posted at 04.07.17 19:36:31 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 79) : Aptly self named serial loser, arrogant little self opinionated arm chair warrior.
    Love to know here you get your opinions from, you do realize that you come across as a whinging little pom,probably a trust fund kid. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 82, posted at 04.07.17 19:39:28 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 82) : Oi, do us both a favour….when I see a comment by you (that is not addressed to me), I don’t read it, because I know it’s going to irritate me, and I’ll succumb to the temptation to comment – please sir, return the favour.

  • Comment 83, posted at 04.07.17 19:46:44 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 82) : ….and by the way, I never did apologise to you. ;)

  • Comment 84, posted at 04.07.17 19:47:27 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 78) : Haha!

  • Comment 85, posted at 04.07.17 20:12:11 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 83) : Just because you are paranoid, it doesn’t mean they are not going to get you

  • Comment 86, posted at 04.07.17 20:38:00 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 86) : Not an original, think it’s a Hunter Thompson,but anyways probably go right over your privileged head.

  • Comment 87, posted at 04.07.17 20:40:39 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 87) : Just because you are paranoid, does not mean everyone is not out to get you – Hunter Thompson. When everyone is out to get you, paranoia is just smart thinking – a quote from a 1970s era television show, WKRP in Cincinnati, as said by Dr. Johnny to Venus Flytrap.

  • Comment 88, posted at 04.07.17 22:31:31 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 87) : And I have missed you Hound, it’s not easy being the only crotchety old man here. :mrgreen: :grin:

  • Comment 89, posted at 04.07.17 22:34:56 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 81) :
    The answer to your question is no.
    The rest of your post contains another alt-fact and an assertion drawn from it.

  • Comment 90, posted at 04.07.17 22:43:48 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 88) :
    The little research I did says that line comes from the book Catch-22 by Joseph Heller.

    And on that subject. Who said:
    “A confident thought pattern can modify or overcome facts altogether.”

  • Comment 91, posted at 05.07.17 00:35:18 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 90) : Clear evidence that you have fully assimilated into American culture: as soon as you are unable to formulate a counter argument, you claim it as being an “alternative fact/truth/right”….you’ve obviously grabbed onto a yank accent within the first week of arrival? (Going full Sean Penn).

  • Comment 92, posted at 05.07.17 07:00:32 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • is it a pointless exercise asking you all to play nicely?

  • Comment 93, posted at 05.07.17 09:00:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 93) : Difficult to play nice with cancer.

  • Comment 94, posted at 05.07.17 09:28:28 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 94) : my man, from accusing people of nepotism, to calling others cancer, to attacking their culture and mocking their age, me thinks it might be time to have a look at your own back porch? What are your thoughts?

  • Comment 95, posted at 05.07.17 09:41:04 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 95) : I’m with you. FTL, go have a cup of coffee bud. You’re going overboard here.

  • Comment 96, posted at 05.07.17 10:02:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • Politics, anyone?

  • Comment 97, posted at 05.07.17 10:15:44 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 97) : you also want a coffee break?

  • Comment 98, posted at 05.07.17 10:27:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 96) : I’ll grant myself an extended break.

  • Comment 99, posted at 05.07.17 10:43:51 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 98) : Nah, I just want to calm it down a little. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 100, posted at 05.07.17 10:49:38 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • If you need a break eat a kit Kat ???????????????? @FireTheLooser (Comment 99) : @robdylan (Comment 96) :

  • Comment 101, posted at 05.07.17 10:58:40 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 99) : Everybody needs a little time away…. I heard her say….. ;)

  • Comment 102, posted at 05.07.17 11:35:02 by robdylan Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 99) : @robdylan (Comment 102) : I once took a break for an entire Currie Cup campaign, worked wonders we won the damn thing that year.

  • Comment 103, posted at 05.07.17 12:31:46 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 103) : That just never works for me. I vow to take a prolonged break and then before not too long catch myself watching some really garbage games again. I really need some professional help with this FFSS syndrome.

  • Comment 104, posted at 05.07.17 13:44:19 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 104) : FFSS?

  • Comment 105, posted at 05.07.17 13:51:19 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 105) : Fecking Frustrated Sharks Supporter

  • Comment 106, posted at 05.07.17 13:52:16 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 89) : No country for old men, but as Tom Robbins said, for our crotchety trust fund friend, ”Its never too late to have a happy childhood”

  • Comment 107, posted at 05.07.17 14:33:02 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 107) : I think you’ve read him very wrong, for the record.

  • Comment 108, posted at 05.07.17 15:41:02 by robdylan Reply
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  • Damn tempers are flaring :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 109, posted at 05.07.17 15:58:33 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 108) : Which part did I read wrong his disdain at the spittle dribbling out of my mouth onto the handle of my zimmer frame or the exception he takes to the oxygen I steal out the mouths of millennials.
    When you have been around for a little while, Its very easy to spot a privileged bigot.

  • Comment 110, posted at 06.07.17 09:28:20 by The hound Reply
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