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Sharks pipped at the death once more


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Lions, Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 23 Jul 2017 at 09:47
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Rob du Preez asked his Sharks for a big effort ahead of yesterday’s Super Rugby quarter-final clash in Johannesburg and that’s exactly what he got from the players, who lost 21-23 in controversial circumstances after a pulsating game that threw up a number of questionable refereeing decisions.

There certainly wasn’t much subtlety to the way the Sharks went about their task in the first half and after a nightmare start (with Stephan Lewies dropping the kick-off) and a few tense minutes defending their line early on, it became clear that Philip van der Walt and his team were not about to let the Lions have things their own way. Built on a platform of rock-solid defence and plentiful pressure on out-of-sorts Lions flyhalf Elton Jantjies, the Sharks gradually gained the ascendancy, overturning a Jantjies Penalty when Kobus van Wyk scored the opening try.

That score was similar to his score the previous week, where some tom-foolery in the red zone by the attack-obsessed Lions led to an interception by Lukhayno Am. Quick hands saw van Wyk score and the Sharks led 5-3. Curwin Bosch added a drop goal, then two further penalties and with a healthy 14-3 advantage, the Sharks went into half time feeling they certainly were in control of the match, despite some questionable scrum calls from referee Marius van der Westhuizen.

After the break, though, the referee went from being number 31 to number 1 and stamped his authority on the game with a few utter howlers. Allowing his irritation with Sharks prop Thomas du Toit (for what, I’m not sure) to spill over, van der Westhuizen took the frankly ludicrous decision to yellow-card Stephan Lewies early in the second half, after the latter had strayed offside in the red zone. Lewies had had not so much as a warning before and there was no blanket team warning issued; what’s more, Lewies did not even touch a ball carrier, but the ref decided the contest needed a nudge in the Lions’ favour. Quick tries to Franco Mostert and Jaco Kriel followed and all but wiped out the Sharks advantage – only Jantjies’ wayward kicking saw the visitors hang on to a slender 14-13 advantage.

With Lewies back on the field, the Sharks fought back and were well on attack in the Lions 22 when the referee struck again, penalising van Wyk for a marginal high tackle (when he had, again, ignored plenty similar offences from the Lions). Quick thinking and quick hands from the penalty saw the home side sprint the length of the field for their third try, to Lionel Mapoe. Jantjies finally found his radar and the Sharks were now behind by 6.

Once more, though, they surged up field and appeared odds on to score from a rolling maul when Mostert collapsed the drive. With penalty advantage, the Sharks scored a great try through Cobus Reinach, although once more the self-important peacock with the whistle found a way to intervene, rebuking Etienne Osthuizen for obstruction and cancelling the score. Mostert was yellow-carded, but one has to ask about the penalty try that should automatically have followed? Daniel du Preez did force his way over not long after and with Curwin Bosch in great goal-kicking form, the Sharks led 21-20 with mere minutes to play.

Further “interesting” calls in the last few minutes saw van der Westhuizen again ignore a clear off-the-ball tackle just metres from the Lions tryline, with Kobus van Wyk chasing through a grubber only to be tackled early by Courtnall Skosaan. Even after Ruan Combricnk had stepped up to nail a massive penalty from his own half to put the Lions back ahead, the Sharks pushed forward strongly and felt they had a clear shout for a penalty at the death, with Lions players illegally playing the ball in a ruck right in front of their posts.

Van der Westhuizen certainly wasn’t brave enough to make that call, though, and blew his whistle to ensure that he would remain all the luck the Lions needed on the day.

Lions (23) : Tries Franco Mostert, Jaco Kriel, Lionel Mapoe. Conversion Elton Jantjies. Penalties Jantjies, Ruan Combrinck.
Sharks 21: Tries Kobus van Wyk, Daniel du Prez. Conversion Curwin Bosch. Penalties Bosch (2). Drop-goal Bosch.



130 Comments

  • How is it even allowed to have the same ref 2 games in a row. What’s worst is.. This is about the 4th time in 4 games the same ref nails the Sharks

  • Comment 1, posted at 23.07.17 09:59:35 by ebenp Reply
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  • Whats the story flouting around in NZ that the Sharks are looking too leave Super rugby and also join up with the Cheetahs and Kings in the Pro12

  • Comment 2, posted at 23.07.17 10:40:27 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • Guys, I know the ref had some howlers, but we were only 1 point clear with 10 minutes left to play, can we really be surprised that we were pipped at the death?

  • Comment 3, posted at 23.07.17 10:47:31 by The Great Couch Shark Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 2) : Seems to be a hollow rumour based on not much. The Sharks do like the idea, but as far as i k ow there’s absolutely no suggestion that this will happen now.

  • Comment 4, posted at 23.07.17 10:48:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • @The Great Couch Shark (Comment 3) : Yeah, but c’mon, they scored twice while Lewies was in the bin.

  • Comment 5, posted at 23.07.17 10:48:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • @The Great Couch Shark (Comment 3) : Not surprised, pissed. The ten points they scored while lewies was sent off and the penalty for van wyks ‘high’ tackle leaves me fuming.

  • Comment 6, posted at 23.07.17 10:49:41 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • @Dragnipur (Comment 6) : Oh well, nothing happens to these refs anyway; this guy will fail upwards until he has a gig at the next World Cup and manages to stuff that up too.

  • Comment 7, posted at 23.07.17 10:55:28 by The Great Couch Shark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 5) : It’s almost like the Sharks should start training to accommodate these dodgy refs in their game plan.

  • Comment 8, posted at 23.07.17 10:57:42 by The Great Couch Shark Reply
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  • @The Great Couch Shark (Comment 8) : When Manny Pacman was robbed in Australia last month the Phillipian Boxing Board conducted a second review whereby they got three neutral world recognized, and unbiased judges to score the fight from the footage with the sound turned off, the rest was totally different.I would like to do that with this march.This ref is so biased that there are grounds that he is criminally liable.We were robbed twice at Ellis Park this year.

  • Comment 9, posted at 23.07.17 11:06:44 by The hound Reply
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  • Secondly I would like to see all the big mouths on here in the past couple of weeks who kept up a barrage of whines that Rob played his sons out of some kind of Nepotistic bias, admit there ignorance.Those boys were huge yesterday especially the much maligned Dan,So good in fact that I can’t remember if Kwagga Smith was on the field.They are still only 21.
    And as to the moronic suggestion last week that we should replace our entire coaching staff with the Craven week coaches, did you watch that final.
    Hope to hell we can keep the spine of this team for next year.
    And I will admit here that Reinarch had a good game yesterday,when he sparks the team sparks unfortunately.

  • Comment 10, posted at 23.07.17 11:17:13 by The hound Reply
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  • As long as referees remain human there will always be questionable decisions. Fortunately life goes on. Best of luck to the Lions in the semis.

  • Comment 11, posted at 23.07.17 11:20:44 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 11) : as long as you play a transvaal union ref to ref a lions vs anyone match you are going to end us with saturdays display

  • Comment 12, posted at 23.07.17 11:43:23 by byron Reply

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  • @byron (Comment 12) : I think I read that Marius is a WP referee; either way, he was not competently neutral on Saturday. Seconds and Van Heerden were not very much better; Derby like that with a lot riding on it should have had a kiwi referee; it’s my opinion that SARU scripted the lions going through to the final and therefore nothing will be said about Marius’ poor performance (or van Heerden’s in the earlier pool match at Ellis Park) because Marius accomplished what they wanted. Its politics and money.

  • Comment 13, posted at 23.07.17 12:07:24 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 11) : That’s very magnanimous of you; what I have to say about the lions is not proper. If they don’t deserve to be there because they keep getting assisted by local referees, then they shouldn’t be there. Rigged is rigged.

  • Comment 14, posted at 23.07.17 12:09:12 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • I sincerely hope the Sharks channel this buggery into dishing out an ass-whooping to every team they meet in the Currie Cup and bring a trophy back to Kings Park.

  • Comment 15, posted at 23.07.17 12:11:00 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • Are we going to go over all the decisions, including those against the Lions, with the same fervour and zeal?

    Lions also got a yellow card. I’m guessing that one was spot on. Ref got it right. Right? No wait, there should have been a penalty try. Bit optimistic if you ask me. How many penalty tries are awarded in similar circumstances? One collapsed maul still 5m out? Usually only after repeated collapsing of a maul will the ref even think about a penalty try.

    The tackle on van Wyk? Looks like he had ran past the ball by the time Skosaan collided with him.

    Last call of the game? Just because the Sharks players were throwing their arms in the air means f-all. Of course they’re going to do that. Do we have any clear footage that there was reason for a penalty? Desperate actions by desperate players trying to influence the ref and win the match. Nothing wrong with doing that but doesn’t mean they were right.

    Lions were very poor, gifted the Sharks a try early on. Jantjies couldn’t hit a barn door. Sharks were up 14-3 at half time. Still the Sharks couldn’t put them away. But yes, it was the ref.

    Time to put on your big boy pants and suck it up. Life’s not fair.

    P.S. Also do a proper press conference. Be dignified in defeat otherwise you just look like a petulant child.

  • Comment 16, posted at 23.07.17 13:43:59 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 16) : Don’t you have a Snoek braai to attend or a Stormers site to go cry on.

  • Comment 17, posted at 23.07.17 13:57:20 by The hound Reply
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  • the twat speaketh his usual shit …… why do you hang around a Sharks fan site and spout your shyte, is life that bad :roll:

  • Comment 18, posted at 23.07.17 13:59:32 by Mephisto_Shark Reply

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  • Robbed twice…..say what you want. His actions and poor calls can actually cost people their careers. He is an absolute doos.

    Anyone have an idea what happened after the game? Hearing different stories.

  • Comment 19, posted at 23.07.17 14:20:55 by Lieplapper Reply

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  • @Lieplapper (Comment 19) : Do dish…all that happened that I heard was that du Preez looking highly miffed made an appearance, said one or two things and made a duck…Ackerman said the lions were lucky but I frankly don’t care what he said…did the Sharks players shake van der Westhuizen’s hand? Did they refuse to? I would have refused. What did happen after the game?

  • Comment 20, posted at 23.07.17 14:26:52 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • Had a little chuckle at Hugh Bladen squealing with delight when the last kick went over. Good ol Blades was a Transvaal scrummie back in the days so he wasn’t about to let a small thing like professionalism get in the way.

  • Comment 21, posted at 23.07.17 14:52:23 by The Great Couch Shark Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 16) : I agree with you. The Sharks lost because we weren’t able to utilise the time Franco was off with the yellow. And because we conceded that pentalty at the end. Although I’m a Sharks supporter, I can’t look past these, no one else to blame. The Sharks players over-reacted with the tackle on van Wyk, I have no doubt that van Wyk overrun the ball and had no intention of picking it up. no wonder the ref wouldn’t hear anything from them at that last ruck. Sad about the loss, but hoping the players can take the spirit they showed in this game to the CC games.

  • Comment 22, posted at 23.07.17 15:08:15 by Rienke36 Reply

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  • @The Great Couch Shark (Comment 21) : Blades was a 10,TVL and junior Springboks ,which is what the second team was called in those days
    HIs most famous escapade was jumping out of a window at the Beach hotel, to avoid some chicks husband and breaking both his ankles,he doesn’t t have too many fond memories of Natal.

  • Comment 23, posted at 23.07.17 15:19:07 by The hound Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 16) : Look, you make some fair points. I do think if you compare the two yellow cards, the reasoning for them is worlds apart – and though you may say I only say so because I am a Sharks supporter, Lewies’ card can’t be justified whichever way you shake it, while Mostert’s can. I agree with you that the collapsed maul was never a penalty try. I actually have some completely different gripes. I watched the game again with some pausing – brave, I know – but anyone can do themselves a favour and analyse how MvdW blew the offsides line and the breakdown. Personally I found it shocking and scandalous. At the end of the day, I unfortunately find myself having to agree with you: Life is unfair. Of course it has to be said that this WAS unfair. Platitudes don’t take away the unfairness and the feelings it induces. But that is life…and it must go on. Scheiße…but there we are…

  • Comment 24, posted at 23.07.17 15:19:09 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 24) : We should never allow this prick to ref in our province again,

  • Comment 25, posted at 23.07.17 15:20:33 by The hound Reply
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  • @Rienke36 (Comment 22) : No doubt once the emotion has died down a bit, players and coaches will see there’s lots to work on but also plenty to be proud of.

    There’s some seriously good players at the Sharks. Hopefully they take the lessons learnt this season to heart and continue on an upward curve.

    SA needs all teams to be on a level good enough to win the tournament. Of the SA sides the Sharks have taken to the professional era the best and I have no doubt they will be getting things right sooner rather than later.

  • Comment 26, posted at 23.07.17 15:21:02 by McLovin Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 23) : classic story :cool:

  • Comment 27, posted at 23.07.17 15:21:35 by The Great Couch Shark Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 26) : We were still good enough to give your lot a good thrashing this year,
    But you are right there are more important things than rugby, the state of the fynbos is something to get concerned about.

  • Comment 28, posted at 23.07.17 15:24:23 by The hound Reply
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  • @Rienke36 (Comment 22) : True…Mvovo’s actions were pretty useless in that phase of play…of course the officials gave them the extra 5m Combrink needed to slot it (damn it!). I disagree with your view of the tackle on van Wyk…not in terms of whether he was past it, but in terms of the result…is it ok to tackle anyone without the ball ever? So if a dummy runner places himself somewhere without the intention of catching the ball is it ok to tackle him without the ball? Surely that’s not how it works. Skosaan didn’t just collide with van Wyk, he intentionally tackled him, he did so without him having the ball, in so doing he prevented van Wyk from turning around and getting involved. It should have been a penalty…

  • Comment 29, posted at 23.07.17 15:27:54 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 26) : That is a very fair and constructive comment. Thanks. I, for one, really enjoy your input on the site. I’m still pissed off about yesterday, though, damn it!!! :???: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 30, posted at 23.07.17 15:30:18 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @The Great Couch Shark (Comment 8) : Difficult to accommodate an ass who blows you up for bullshit just because he had a bad experience on north beach when he was 16.

  • Comment 31, posted at 23.07.17 15:33:21 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 10) : The twins were very good…

  • Comment 32, posted at 23.07.17 15:35:02 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 11) : True. I’m not sure I’m quite ready to cover that performance of MvdW with just “being human,” though. But ja…

  • Comment 33, posted at 23.07.17 15:37:18 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 24) : With regards to Lewies, the ref did mention ‘repeated infringements’ when he showed him the yellow card. Not sure if the ref issued any warnings but frankly I couldn’t be arsed to watch it again just to listen out for what the ref said.

    Anyway as far as I know the ref isn’t required to give warnings. I’m sure Nigel Owens, and I’m sure other refs as well, have issued yellows without prior warning. Especially in the ‘red zone’.

    With regards to the off sides I am often surprised, whilst watching live, that players are not penalised for off sides. In the Stormers v Chiefs game I thought both sides, especially Kolisi and one or two Chiefs forwards, were off sides on a number of occasions. But the commentators just rant and rave about their line speed. So if the ref doesn’t penalise them or the assistant don’t flag it then I’m just going to accept it. Goes both ways.

    And yes it sucks. But that’s just life. Obladi oblada and all that jazz. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 34, posted at 23.07.17 15:38:29 by McLovin Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 28) : You did indeed and well deserved. No complaints from me. :smile:

  • Comment 35, posted at 23.07.17 15:40:34 by McLovin Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 30) : Thanks. :smile:

  • Comment 36, posted at 23.07.17 15:42:18 by McLovin Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 28) : What’s up with the fynbos? Or are you just messing with me. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 37, posted at 23.07.17 15:45:33 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 37) : serious bru,you been living in that pile of shite mud island for far too long, come home the fynbos needs you.

  • Comment 38, posted at 23.07.17 15:51:47 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 38) : Almost brought a tear to my eye that post. A link to Tannie Sonja’s ‘Jantjie kom huistoe die kaap is leeg sonder jou’ would have sent me into an uncontrollable sob. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 39, posted at 23.07.17 15:59:31 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 34) : Yeah look…I’m not quite with you…
    1. I did watch it again…he did say “repeat infringements”…but he had only given one penalty against us in that half…against our prop in a scrum…and then he carded a lock who was slightly offsides, but didn’t affect play, didn’t tackle anyone. Maybe it’s my Sharks colours again, but that just strikes me as not just very harsh, but unjustified. Nick Mallett said precisely that in studio after the game. I don’t really like to say it, but Nick was right. If that is true, then it is fair to criticise the ref for an unjustified yellow.
    2. I get that refs don’t always blow the offsides…but consistency is the issue. Again, I did watch it a second time with those pauses and my issue is that he did blow the Sharks for infringements that he didn’t blow the Lions for resulting in a lopsided penalty count. To me, that can be objectively established if you watch it again…that’s certainly why I wanted to watch it again, just to check whether I was being unfair…that to me is not swings and roundabouts.
    I do get that it is done and dusted now and we have to swallow it. I do still think it was unfair, I do still think that it is not good enough for an official in a knock out game and I don’t have to like it. I’ll say my bit about it, I’ll try and do it more tactfully than I first did in anger yesterday…and I certainly hope somebody does evaluate that performance objectively and addresses it. I have to admit that it does leave a sour taste in my mouth that it all won’t make a smidgen of a difference to what happened yesterday. But that’s something I have to live with and will swear violently about in the vast and all too often empty halls of my mind…
    Scheiße! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 40, posted at 23.07.17 16:15:00 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 39) : instinctively knew you were fyn bos hugger,

  • Comment 41, posted at 23.07.17 16:27:38 by The hound Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 40) : Admire your commitment. I have nothing to offer other than perhaps a genuine ‘I understand’. Some things from my under 11 playing days still haunt me. :mrgreen:

    With regards to the ref, if he is truly that bad then he will be weeded out. Not because he is biased but because he is not good enough at his job.

  • Comment 42, posted at 23.07.17 16:47:44 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 42) : Old tappe henning built a career of over 15 years based on the worst officiating against the cheetahs and bulls. Not once reprimanded or fined. Some dicks in the vein of old tappet and Bryce Lawrence just manage to get away with nailing a certain team, if you watch matches they officiate when those certain team/s aren’t playing, they are actually good refs. A certain Jonathan Kaplan springs to mind whenever the lions played, he was at marius van der westuizen levels of kak against them

  • Comment 43, posted at 23.07.17 17:01:05 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 43) : Always thought that whem Jimmy Smith-Belton reffed a WP match they would lose. Especially against N-Tvl.

  • Comment 44, posted at 23.07.17 17:05:13 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 42) : Why do you think he will be weeded out, he just delivered a home semi and a potential home final for SARU thats a huge amount of money for those corrupt coffers, probably get given the semi to see if he can deliver the final.

  • Comment 45, posted at 23.07.17 17:32:38 by The hound Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 44) : And in that statement you fully understand how all sharks supporters feel about marius van der westuizen

  • Comment 46, posted at 23.07.17 17:54:11 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 45) : Not saying he will be. Just if he’s that bad he will. Maybe he’s not that bad.

  • Comment 47, posted at 23.07.17 18:10:29 by McLovin Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 46) : I was most likely wrong. :twisted:

  • Comment 48, posted at 23.07.17 18:11:21 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 48) : Popped that bastard into reverse very quickly

  • Comment 49, posted at 23.07.17 19:27:31 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 10) : I hear you and although I would agree with you that both Du Preez’s played excellent, I am sticking with my opinion that we lack leadership in the team. Phillip played massively, but I question his leadership capabilities. I am still of opinion that Keegan might have contributed more positively with his referee management skills and I am saying this, with the knowledge that our CC team got a hiding.

    Now my question is, would Keegan be dropped from the CC team to make provision for the SR Team players?

  • Comment 50, posted at 23.07.17 23:44:03 by BluffShark Reply

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  • @SeanJeff (Comment 15) :

    I definitely support that notion and I hope they see it as such and do not carry this disappointment over to the CC.I can just imagine how demotivate they are. SARFU has classified CC as a minor competition not worthy of any note. Just the scheduling of matches which clashes with SR proofs that.

  • Comment 51, posted at 23.07.17 23:50:59 by BluffShark Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 16) : Are you for real? Very naive point of view similar to the ” it’s fine that the Sharks got cheated out of the result, it is best for SA rugby ” or the ” But Elton missed his kicks for poles so the Lions would have won comfortably had he slotted them in”. It was very easy for the ref to manufacture a Lions victory. He just had to issue a dubious yellow card to shift momentum back to the Lions cause he knew the Lions would make better use of that one man advantage. And they did…2 tries. And when the momentum had shifted, gave them a yellow card knowing that our attack game is no good. He also awarded a penalty for a high tackle which resulted in a try. Found it very strange that Supersport never showed the repeat of that high tackle nor the repeat towards the end. Guess it the whole “what is best for SA Rugby at the Sharks expense”. Kobus was tackled without the ball. Yes he had ran past the ball but was prevented from turning back and supporting Mvovo who then picked up the ball. Sharks should have got a penalty there which was 5 meters from the Lions line. Had a Shark made that tackle he would have been a yellow card. It happened against us so it was play-on. Comments such as these are really naive and upsetting. We don’t want favours from officials, we want fairness. We need to train with these dubious decisions in mind. We need to practice more 14 vs 16 situations.

  • Comment 52, posted at 24.07.17 06:44:10 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • Wow. The whine continues. If anything could be done about inept officials it would make sense to carry on. But since nothing can and will be done why waste your breath?

  • Comment 53, posted at 24.07.17 06:51:05 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 40) : It is sad that we have to tip toe around this issue for fear of being called bad losers.

  • Comment 54, posted at 24.07.17 06:54:08 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 53) : Please don’t deny us of this. This is our safe space. Everyone else is telling us about the bigger picture and what is best for SA. They forget that it is at our expense.

  • Comment 55, posted at 24.07.17 06:59:27 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @BluffShark (Comment 50) : We need to move Dan to 5, and Botha to 4.

  • Comment 56, posted at 24.07.17 07:02:37 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • Our attack game needs serious intervention. DOR and new backline coach. Maybe the one from the Kings.

  • Comment 57, posted at 24.07.17 07:05:26 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 52) : Naive is thinking one team, the team you support, is being treated differently to everybody else and would’ve have won if only everybody perceived events exactly like you.

    Naive is making up things you thought should/would have happened and talking about it like it’s fact.

    Naive is thinking because you perceive certain events as unfair that it’s the only true view.

    Naive is thinking the whole of Supersport production team conspired not to show the replays you wanted to see. :roll:

    Ever consider that sometimes, no matter how strong your feelings are on certain things that you might just be wrong.

    Like I said, big boy pants time.

    PS Don’t get upset with my comments. Not worth it. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 58, posted at 24.07.17 07:11:32 by McLovin Reply

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  • “Playing an opponent without the ball. Except in a scrum, ruck or maul, a player who is not in possession of the ball must not hold, push or obstruct an opponent not carrying the ball. Sanction: Penalty kick”

    Where is there any mention of it is allowed when slightly overrunning the ball?

    For me this ref showed clear bias – he yellow cards a player who was off-side (technically worth a penalty) but had no influence on the play, but refuses to penalize a player that tackles a player without that ball (according to the laws worth a penalty) but decides that it had no effect on the rule of play (he may have a slight point there).

  • Comment 59, posted at 24.07.17 07:47:49 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • In any case the result is not going to be changed. Time for the Sharks to channel their anger into the Currie Cup

  • Comment 60, posted at 24.07.17 07:49:02 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 58) : And your response proves it all. Player tackled without the ball and nothing happens. Lol. Enjoy the rest of your Monday.

  • Comment 61, posted at 24.07.17 08:17:56 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • Jeepers, I hope Akkers, de Bruyn, Whiteley and the team made space in their prayer circle for Marius van der Westhuizen. He earned his spot there.

  • Comment 62, posted at 24.07.17 08:47:46 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Hey guys this is a Sharks site, if you want to rant about the ref go ahead, believe me its justified. Why would you / we feel any need to justify our points of view or curtail our passion and the way we experience it for someone who does not have our teams interset at heart.

  • Comment 63, posted at 24.07.17 08:53:51 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 53) : Any other suggestions. Why whine about the players skill level, the team selection, the hookers throwing in at lineouts, etc.

  • Comment 64, posted at 24.07.17 08:57:42 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 58) : Well I think his decisions both ways were utter crap. My only problem is that we are all farting against the wind. Ref never get taken to book. They can ruin from the least to most important contests. But what is the alternative? If an appeal system is put on place wouldn’t every losing team be putting in appeals every week? I think a performance asessment needs to be done frequently like every two months or so and underperforming refs to be suspended on irregularities. But again that system can be corrupted as well especially in the case of NZ and Aus refs where they are rewarded for being crooked and biased towards NZ or Aus. So I guess I’m saying what’s the point if getting angry if you will never get to fight?

  • Comment 65, posted at 24.07.17 09:00:05 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 62) : Best comment of the year :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz:

  • Comment 66, posted at 24.07.17 09:02:22 by The hound Reply
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  • The Sharks were their own worst enemy with the handling errors and silly infringements. That being said the ref didnt help them at all. The Lewies yellow and the non penalty of the Van Wyk tackle was quite shocking. The Lions didnt play well at all and the Sharks probably deserved to edge them in this game. On the basis of the competitoon though the betetr team probably won through.

  • Comment 67, posted at 24.07.17 09:05:15 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Monday morning perspective,I make a case that this disgusting referring display was not so much an anti Shark conspiracy ,but a was designed to keep the very lucrative semi final and the final in South Africa.Thats a lot of money for the dodgy SARU coffers.

  • Comment 68, posted at 24.07.17 09:08:48 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 68) : If the Lions play like that against the Canes, the final will be in Kiwiland. Unless of course SARU could conspire to get Marius to be the ref again.

  • Comment 69, posted at 24.07.17 09:13:10 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • The rules are way too complicated, they should make it more simple for fans and referees to understand(especially the bird brained ones). I read that the IRB is going to reduce the number of laws in the near future? Any credibility to that story? It’s becoming very frustrating to watch any rugby these days with referees having a hand in most games outcomes lately. Inconsistency, bias and pressure decision late in matches are the biggest concerns and it’s mostly down to complex laws that can be interpreted differently.

  • Comment 70, posted at 24.07.17 09:13:56 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 70) : Even with the complicated rules, I just don’t see how Marius could have been allowed to make the ruling he did after the off-the-ball tackle. He was making up his own rules there.

  • Comment 71, posted at 24.07.17 09:15:33 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 62) : I agree, they all go on about the lions journey and how God has ‘promised’ them title this year, but in that game as in others, there was no hand of God but the filthy hand of man, tilting the scale in favor of the lions. That’s what pissed me off when camera shot showed Combrink praying in rapture after the game…giving thanks for corrupt SARU and referee? Lions have this all wrong…you seek God for His own sake, not for a trophy.

  • Comment 72, posted at 24.07.17 09:16:14 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 68) : You give way too much credit to SARU to even come up with a scheme like that.

  • Comment 73, posted at 24.07.17 09:16:24 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 65) : I see the Stormers are just as livid with Peyper and the crew regarding some of their decissions. What can be done, Im not sure but sitting in a corner, cowering like a mistreated mutt is not going to help and if anything des help I think it will be making as much noise as possible. Social media maybe.The union must definately get involved with video and audio evidence to the refs associaton. Anything but blindly accepting the percetion that you are fine with getting shafted.

  • Comment 74, posted at 24.07.17 09:25:32 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 66) : ;-)

  • Comment 75, posted at 24.07.17 09:27:52 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 71) : Yeah I know, not referring to our match, but rugby in general. Because the laws are so complex, the referees can afford to be biased and blame it on interpretation of a specific situation in a match. They should reduce the number of laws in the game, I’m not enjoying it as much as I used to because of referees having a hand in outcomes. Not only SR, we saw what happened with the B&I Lions tour, our 2011 WC exit and so forth, the list goes on. Reduce the number of laws and make the remaining ones more simple, especially at rucks, scrums and line-outs.

  • Comment 76, posted at 24.07.17 09:28:30 by Quintin Reply

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  • If the lions lose next match, I can move on from this buggery and larceny much quicker.

  • Comment 77, posted at 24.07.17 09:51:37 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 74) : You misread my post. I am saying that many if not all of us would love to fight but no means exists. So while you shouldnt be a cowering mutt we aren’t able to be much more than yipping chihuahuas. So why bother? Give us vehicle, and a viable system that won’t inundate and cripple that system with unfounded and time consuming contests. We will happily snarl and froth all day long.

  • Comment 78, posted at 24.07.17 09:55:26 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 78) : You are probably right that its all futile and I do wish there were open and transparent channels where these things could be brought up. Maybe we are hoping that by venting here our frustrations will be taken seriously and addressed (via the union, press etc) at a higher more formal level. There are many press reports out there about Sharks fans being disgruntled – they are right we are pissed off and if we did not bleat then no one would know about it.

  • Comment 79, posted at 24.07.17 10:19:54 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SeanJeff (Comment 77) : That will be the only justice I will be able to tolerate.

  • Comment 80, posted at 24.07.17 10:54:54 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 79) : Well there are people more knowledgeable about structures and channels than we. Maybe they could suggest something?

  • Comment 81, posted at 24.07.17 10:57:46 by coolfusion Reply

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  • I just saw the RDP interview. Loved it. This guy just a couple of years in my good books for that. If they want to punish us for that, so be it.

  • Comment 82, posted at 24.07.17 11:01:08 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 81) : Yep, that would be good. Heres hoping.

  • Comment 83, posted at 24.07.17 11:01:21 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 82) : Did you watch it on the net? Do you have a link you could post?

  • Comment 84, posted at 24.07.17 11:18:36 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 84) : on news24. Sport.

  • Comment 85, posted at 24.07.17 11:34:57 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • Hermann Mostert wrote this quite aptly:
    “Sharks coach Robert du Preez was not a happy camper following his side’s narrow defeat.
    Reports indicated that Du Preez had initially refused to attend the post-match press-conference, presumably because he was upset at the officiating.
    When Du Preez eventually arrived for the presser, he stayed for about 90 seconds.
    “I can’t comment on bad officiating, you know that,” Du Preez said.
    While I do not condone Du Preez’s attitude, I reckon he had reason to feel aggrieved.
    The Sharks were unlucky to lose lock Stephan Lewies to a yellow card early in the second half.
    Referee Marius van der Westhuizen had warned Sharks prop Thomas du Toit over his scrummaging but there was no team warning and Lewies was unlucky and understandably looked puzzled as he left the field.
    The Lions scored two tries during that period and there’s no doubt it changed the momentum of the match.
    Five minutes from time, it was also clear that Courtnall Skosan had tackled Kobus van Wyk without the ball. The referee’s excuse was that Van Wyk had not gone for the ball… but unfortunately this is not American Football where you can tackle a player without the ball…
    Right at the death the Sharks could also feel hard done by for not being awarded a penalty at ruck time – it appeared as though the Lions were holding on and had it been a different time of the match, a penalty would likely have been the order of the day.”

  • Comment 86, posted at 24.07.17 11:35:01 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 84) : Here it is, courtesy of SA Rugbymag.

    http://www.sarugbymag.co.za/blog/details/Sharks-coachs-90-second-press-conference

  • Comment 87, posted at 24.07.17 11:35:10 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • We seriously need to invest in our attack game. This is the one major area that cost us a SR final. This is very urgent. We also need a kop doctor.

  • Comment 88, posted at 24.07.17 11:36:56 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 82) : Fully agree, got the message across without throwing a fit, and he did not walk out of the presser – it was over.

  • Comment 89, posted at 24.07.17 11:37:22 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 85) : @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 87) : Thanks. What is all the bohaai about? I thought he handled that particularly well. It’s not easy to control yourself that well when you are as angry as he clearly was. And he made his point very clearly with his answer while staying clear of saying something that will get him into trouble…

  • Comment 90, posted at 24.07.17 11:47:16 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 88) : Absolutely agreed…top two priorities right there…

  • Comment 91, posted at 24.07.17 11:48:01 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 89) : Spot on…

  • Comment 92, posted at 24.07.17 11:48:30 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 89) : Kudos to the lady in charge…she brought proceedings to an end quickly but pretty gracefully…

  • Comment 93, posted at 24.07.17 11:50:12 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 90) : Ja I agree as pissed of as we were it must have been all Rob could do not to walk over to that incompetent little ponce and wrap his hands around that little pimple and the arse of rugby ‘ s neck.

  • Comment 94, posted at 24.07.17 11:52:55 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 93) : Agreed,

  • Comment 95, posted at 24.07.17 12:39:51 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • In the media today, Mike Greenaway and Rob Houwing write that essentially, no matter what refereeing irregularities occurred, the Sharks have only themselves to blame and lions deserved it more. Well, everyone has rights to opinions, but flip, are rules not rules? Is inconsistency disqualification? Sharks had every right to absence of bias as the lions.

  • Comment 96, posted at 24.07.17 13:12:14 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 87) : He stayed and answered every question that was asked. He didn’t show up and leave in a huff as so many implied. This was not petulence on RdP’s part, just more reporting to make the Sharks look bad and like sore losers. :evil:

  • Comment 97, posted at 24.07.17 13:23:54 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @SeanJeff (Comment 96) : The laws are the laws, there is no ambiguity in the tackle without the ball law, it matters not whether the player affected the play or not, it could happen on the opposite side of the field and it is still a penalty. The yellow can be considered subjective. But also think of the last ruck. Somehow the ball was tied up in the ruck, either the Sharks did that illegally or the Lions held onto the ball, either answer is a penalty, yet a scrum was awarded???? Please tell me which law that is?

  • Comment 98, posted at 24.07.17 13:34:08 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 26) :

    I hear your statement and I do not question your logic. I do think you have the right to your opinion and I have no problem in you airing it here. However to state such an opinion directly after the game might be perceived as “stirring the pot”. You know we MIGHT be emotional after such a game, which would trigger severe responses by statements such as yours. Not to mention after a few dops…

  • Comment 99, posted at 24.07.17 13:59:02 by BluffShark Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 56) :

    I am not sure of that opinion. Is he better than our current locks?

  • Comment 100, posted at 24.07.17 13:59:56 by BluffShark Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 58) :

    PS Don’t get upset with my comments. Not worth it……
    Yea I do you support you with that statement…lol

    I saw a statement sometime ago. Hope I have the words right: “Don’t argue with a fool. He would bring you down to his level of stupidity and beat you on at that level”

  • Comment 101, posted at 24.07.17 14:02:57 by BluffShark Reply

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  • @BluffShark (Comment 99) : Just trying to provide some balance. ;-) :twisted:

  • Comment 102, posted at 24.07.17 15:00:10 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 102) :

    With all due respect – that was NO attempt “to provide some balance”.and most of your comments thereafter on this topic would serve as proof of that. Did you also attempt “to provide some balance”.on a Lions blog?… lol

    It is a timing issue, but even that is NO problem. Sometimes we dish it out, but then we also have to be prepared to take it.

  • Comment 103, posted at 24.07.17 17:46:56 by BluffShark Reply

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  • Logic for a reasonable, neutral person, might have been to change certain “powers” for this game, in view of the amount of criticism which were forthcoming after the first Lions game, but I guess not.

    Robert’s interview after lost to Lions on 1 April 17: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lgMnQvss3Y
    and his interview after lost to Lions on 22 July 17: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RA-fcVnw-Ho

  • Comment 104, posted at 24.07.17 17:52:06 by BluffShark Reply

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  • @BluffShark (Comment 103) : I suspect you are taking my comments far to seriously. No harm intended. :smile:

  • Comment 105, posted at 24.07.17 17:55:20 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 105) :

    No actually I am not. I am just attempting to “provide some balance”. to your comments.
    Another one bites the dust….

  • Comment 106, posted at 24.07.17 17:59:21 by BluffShark Reply

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  • @BluffShark (Comment 106) : Sorry you’ve completely lost me.

  • Comment 107, posted at 24.07.17 18:19:10 by McLovin Reply

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  • @BluffShark (Comment 100) : Lewis is going to Japan. Oosterhuizen is also leaving. We are going to be thin at lock. Then again, Dan is being touted as a possible solution to the Bok 8th man crisis so maybe keep him but is he a long term solution there?

  • Comment 108, posted at 25.07.17 02:27:25 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • WIth the refs officiating this weekend, the hurricanes won’t stand a chance. Marius vd W is rewarded for his briliant game over the weekend by being allowed to be assistant ref. Shows that everyone thinks he did a brilliant job over the weekend!

  • Comment 109, posted at 25.07.17 07:51:12 by HeinF Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 109) : Yup. Journalists have already written their articles about the brave lions winning, rugby commentators are manually stimulating themselves to Warren Whitely pin-ups, every saffa is for the lions because they’re SAs ‘best chance’ in no way that the country as a whole would be if the Sharks had won on Saturday. Let’s reward Marius for a job well done, shut up whingeing Sharks supporters for the good of the country. But this Shark this morning and until doomsday says go Canes for Saturday! (and only for 29 July 2017)

  • Comment 110, posted at 25.07.17 08:19:34 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • @HeinF (Comment 109) : That just shows up the absolute lack of quality refs available in SA and Aus. Peyper has his faults but at least he does not make up new rules as he goes along

  • Comment 111, posted at 25.07.17 08:25:41 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @SeanJeff (Comment 110) : Agree, still having a bit of trouble getting over saturday. Will definitely be supporting the canes, will give me some sense of justice.
    @Bokhoring (Comment 111) : Don’t have a real problem with Peyper, he has his crap games, but at least he does tend to make weird decisions both ways. Marius on the other hand should not be anywhere near a rugby field after saturday’s shocker

  • Comment 112, posted at 25.07.17 08:30:32 by HeinF Reply

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  • Look at this wank-fest: http://mobi.supersport.com/rugby/super-rugby/news/170725/The_Lions_king…this is the type of crap I HATE, and why I want the lions to lose ugly. Sorry, but I’m embracing Schadenfraud

  • Comment 113, posted at 25.07.17 09:58:18 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • Marius is a hero in the SARU board room he delivered millions of rands to a cash strapped union, now if only he can help deliver the final :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

  • Comment 114, posted at 25.07.17 10:01:21 by The hound Reply
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  • @SeanJeff (Comment 113) : mate, that post is dripping, dripping with irony. Trust me, I know Johan and he intends that post to be read very differently to the way it came across to you.

  • Comment 115, posted at 25.07.17 10:06:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @BluffShark (Comment 106) : problem with this whole exchange is that you are deadly serious about every comment you’re making, whilst McLovin is just stirring. He’s been here a long time and we know him and love him for what he is, but as he’s said himself many ties, the worst mistake you can make is take what he says too seriously.

  • Comment 116, posted at 25.07.17 10:13:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 115) : Well, don’t I feel small then.

  • Comment 117, posted at 25.07.17 10:23:22 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 116) : Thanks Rob, you say the nicest things. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 118, posted at 25.07.17 10:30:28 by McLovin Reply

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  • @SeanJeff (Comment 117) : it wasn’t meant to be an insult, Sean. Just pointing out that Johan tries to use irony in what he writes but that it isn’t always immediately obvious. I think it’s more about the fact that I know the guy, than that you read it wrong.

  • Comment 119, posted at 25.07.17 10:30:32 by robdylan Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 118) : am I wrong?

  • Comment 120, posted at 25.07.17 10:32:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 120) : Spot on old boy. :smile:

  • Comment 121, posted at 25.07.17 10:47:45 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 121) : P.S. I dont always start of with the intention to gently stir. It sometimes just happens.

  • Comment 122, posted at 25.07.17 10:53:31 by McLovin Reply

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  • @SeanJeff (Comment 113) : @robdylan (Comment 119) : Been following Johan’s writings for some time and agree with Rob’s take on it. There’s always another layer in there. I often get the feeling that even though he’s employed by SuperSport, it’s in his nature to stick it to the man as much as possible and sarcasm and irony are the instruments at his avail. He’s worth a follow if you’re on Twitter.

  • Comment 123, posted at 25.07.17 11:34:39 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 119) : Is it also ironic that he chooses Cobus at 9 in his Bok barometer for 2017?

  • Comment 124, posted at 25.07.17 11:35:30 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 124) : is that for the week, or overall?

  • Comment 125, posted at 25.07.17 12:03:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 125) : Probably is for the week (which I agree with), but it came across as for 2017 overall

  • Comment 126, posted at 25.07.17 12:09:22 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 126) : no, you are right. That’s for the entire campaign. Crazy.

  • Comment 127, posted at 25.07.17 12:26:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • to my mind, Cobus has had exactly two brilliant games this season, both of them at Ellis Park. The other games he’s been somewhere between average and utterly shocking

  • Comment 128, posted at 25.07.17 12:27:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 116) :

    I agree he and that is what I said. He is just stirring.

  • Comment 129, posted at 25.07.17 14:43:22 by BluffShark Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 122) :

    “I dont always start of with the intention to gently stir. It sometimes just happens.”

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