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Sharks get the job done


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks on 30 Jul 2017 at 09:52
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It took a much-improved second-half showing for the Sharks to record a 29-0 bonus point victory over the Pumas in the Currie Cup on Saturday, after a poor first half that saw the home side lead by just 3-0.

Fans would have been tearing their hair out at the break, having endured a torrid 40 minutes from the Sharks that included a handling errors figure in the high teens. With only an early Curwin Bosch penalty to show for their efforts, there was no shortage of scoring opportunities, but lamentable basics and non-existent finishing conspired to ensure no tries at all against a team that were certainly not a shade on the sort of Pumas outfits Jimmy Stonehouse used to put out.

It was clear from the opening bell that the Sharks had the Pumas’ number up front, with Thomas du Toit simply crushing opposite prop Piet Scholtz in every scrum (and trust me, there were many!). Plenty of good work with ball in hand was undone through silly offloads and forced half-passes, but there were also a few total howlers – such as Garth April dropping regulation high kicks – that can only be partially blamed on the dewy field. One notable horror moment saw Jean-Luc du Preez burst downfield and break clear; with options on either side of him in Hyron Andrews and Keegan Daniel, either of whom could have scored a simple try, du Preez managed to seek out the only defender in sight and ran straight into him, flinging out a wild offload in the process that went nowhere. It was just that kind of day.

Speaking of Andrews, the poor youngster suffered a horror shoulder dislocation pretty early on and his run of injury disruptions looks set to continue as a result. The silver lining was that replacement Tyler Paul put in an outstanding showing at lock and walked away with the Man of the Match award to boot.

The second half was much better for the Shark, although the cheer that went up from the small crowd when Lukhayno Am eventually scored a try was rather more ironic that truly jubilant. Am’s score was the result of good team pressure and patience in the Pumas 22 and it was followed up soon after by a great try that saw Sbu Nkosi go over after good work in the build-up from April and Jeremy Ward. Kobus van Wyk scored a third after some clever work from Keegan Daniel down the right flank, with Ward (who had a decent game overall) scoring a fourth to ensure the bonus point.

That the Sharks managed to keep the Pumas scoreless is a definite positive, but that mythical “80 minute performance” still remains some way off for this team who will certainly face tougher opposition than these Pumas in the weeks to come.

Sharks (29): Tries Am, Nkosi, van Wyk, Ward. Conversions Bosch (3). Penalty Bosch.
Pumas (0).



128 Comments

  • This has to be the first time in at least a decade where all tries for the sharks were scored by the backline

  • Comment 1, posted at 30.07.17 10:07:51 by jdolivier Reply
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  • @jdolivier (Comment 1) : That’s right, both wings and centres.

  • Comment 2, posted at 30.07.17 10:35:02 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • I like the imagery especially the part where du preez ran into the only defender on the field. It was that kind of day. The visual image I get is of finding the only car in a huge open parking lot and fatally speeding toward it over an extended period till you eventually hut it all the while onlookers shaking their heads in disbelief. Saying surely he isn’t going to hit that, surely….nice one Rob.

  • Comment 3, posted at 30.07.17 11:06:17 by coolfusion Reply
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  • I feel sorry for Hyron. It’s just so frustrating to watch an eager and willing talent that just never seems to get off the ground I hope he doesn’t have a long layoff.

  • Comment 4, posted at 30.07.17 11:08:34 by coolfusion Reply
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  • @jdolivier (Comment 1) : But it was just soooo easy. Why did they make it look so hard in the first half?

  • Comment 5, posted at 30.07.17 11:09:28 by coolfusion Reply
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  • I am satisfied with our 1st outing. The matches against the Bulls (five (5) days after the Griquas match) and Lions (three (3) days after the Bulls match) would provide a much better indication of the strength of our CC team.

    One of the biggest ironies of the day, I thought, was Rovers offering on the day parking at the same price as for the SR series at R50.00, while parking on the outer-field were R30, 00.

  • Comment 6, posted at 30.07.17 11:19:20 by BluffShark Reply
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  • Looking at the Lions victory over the Hurricanes just proves that having standards and correct systems in place will ensure results regardless of opposition. The quality of opposition determines if they only put 20, 40 or 90 points on the board. Their attack shape allows the forwards to ruck the ball quickly, allows the scrumhalf to clear the ball quickly allows the ball carrier to have options on attack and be able to quickly move form attack to defense. Watching the Sharks yesterday, it is clear that we are not there in terms of a coaching and a match preparation point of view. To make matters worse our skills are shocking and don’t seem to be getting any better. Watching the game, the problem could be the quality of the pass in some cases. There seems to be no clear passing approach. Sometimes the ball is passed behind the receiver, sometimes it is passed head high, sometimes it is passed knee high, sometimes it is a bullet of a pass. Can these guys have a passing approach or rule where the receiver knows that this ball is coming in front of me, stomach high, and all I have to do is stretch out my arms, ensure that the spacing is rugby ball size, and just open my hands. Can we please get a DOR with proven international experience, and a backline/attack and skills coach from NZ preferably so that he can give us an attack shape that works and gives us tries. Please also get us a kop doctor asap. . I didn’t even watch the second half as the standard of play was so poor. Are we going to struggle and stutter against the likes of the Pumas, Griquas etc…. this clueless inconsistent display of rugby needs to stop. The Lions would have put 90 points on the Pumas and that is why they are hosting the SR final next weekend.

  • Comment 7, posted at 30.07.17 11:19:36 by GreatSharksays Reply
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  • we didnt look great, but we didnt look horrible either. the CC is some what of a lottery every year in relation to player resources. like last year when we had a good start but lost key players to the springboks bench/train squad :/. and we let dale chadwick leave for france just as he was starting to dominate at LH.

    lets see how things pan out

  • Comment 8, posted at 30.07.17 13:49:30 by revolverocelot Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 7) : How can you comment on a game when four trys were scored in the second half that you’d did not watch.If you are going to set your self up as a critic at least watch the whole game.
    T was at the game and it was an extremly physical game,
    I think any game where you win by 4 trys to no points is a decent win.
    Thought the captaincy of Ruan was excellent and the small crowd got their moneys worth ,as soon as Cameron came on the game changed, hopefully the weakest link in our team is now sorted.
    April is an enigma either brilliant or shit no in between.

  • Comment 9, posted at 30.07.17 14:18:40 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 9) : agree with you analysis re April. He was dog poo in the first half and sublime after the break.

  • Comment 10, posted at 30.07.17 14:35:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 7) : Well if you only watched the second half you would have been shocked at the handling in the first. But the second half showed me what they were capable of once they settle and basics down. And that at least is something to find hope in. I also hope we can become a full 80 min team we will all be smiling at some great rugby. I don’t want to be a biased sharks supporter but this could be one of the fastest most exciting teams around.

  • Comment 11, posted at 30.07.17 14:36:00 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 9) : Yea, I was at the game and I also think it was worth it. @robdylan (Comment 10) : I am however not convinced of April’s performance. He still made some silly mistakes in the 2nd half and his defense was questionable.

    As I said before, I am satisfied with our 1st outing.

    It looks like the Cheetahs is the team to beat this year. They played well against WP.

  • Comment 12, posted at 30.07.17 16:25:43 by BluffShark Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 7) :
    Mate, I think you made a lot of conclusions based on your perceptions, some poor assumptions and speculations.

    On that note, I had poor vision of the 2nd half of the Lions games (the big screen at Kings park was not the best option to watch this game, especially while our u/19 get trashed on the field by the Bulls) and as such I would not comment too much on that game. I did record it, but I am not sure if I want to watch it.

    But Brenden Nel stated in his super sport column “The Lions win was mired in controversy with the disputed yellow-carding of Hurricanes fly-half…” and “South African referee Jaco Peyper judged that after making a tackle, Barrett correctly rolled away, but illegally dragged the ball with him. However, big-screen replays suggested Barrett accidentally pulled the ball away and was not guilty of a cynical foul”

    Am I biased to state that it seems the Lions are only able to won the more difficult matches with some “assistance”. Three (3) matches – Two (2) against us and now Hurricanes and in all three (3) there were questionable yellow cards… Only asking

  • Comment 13, posted at 30.07.17 17:05:02 by BluffShark Reply

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  • Only controversy regarding the Lions game is that dreamed up by journalists who use hyperbole to get hits or sell newspapers. The easiest way to do this is go for the lower part of the cortex. The lizard brain. There where outrage and impulse rule.

    Lions scored pretty much a point a minute from around the 37th minute of the first half. They played the Hurricanes off their feet. Fair and square.

    They gave the much vaunted Kiwi side a good old fashioned hiding through pace of play, skill & execution.

    To suggest they won because of refereeing calls is disingenuous, sour grapes and frankly delusional.

    Barrett’s card was fully deserved. The kiwi’s are masters of the subtle cheat and should be carded more often.

    Instead of wandering about in a fugue where officials somehow favour one team over another, perhaps some should rather pay attention to the important parts of what winning teams like the Lions and Crusaders do.

    Lions players and staff deserve nothing but credit for what they’ve achieved.

  • Comment 14, posted at 30.07.17 17:52:41 by McLovin Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 5) : The season long tendency of not pitching up for “lesser” opponents perhaps

  • Comment 15, posted at 30.07.17 18:29:24 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 9) : Earl Rose used to be a bonus point player. Either for you with brilliance, or against you with utter shit. April must be a clone

  • Comment 16, posted at 30.07.17 18:31:28 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 14) : I hear you and I am not going to debate your opinion, especially since I have not watch the 2nd half properly to have any real opinion about it. That being said “sour grapes”, Brenden Nel is a Rugby editor for super sport and extremely “bias” towards rugby north of the Vaal.river.

  • Comment 17, posted at 30.07.17 18:38:15 by BluffShark Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 9) : Your answers says it all. When cameron came on we looked good. Gosh. Please guys, when are we going to be accountable for our play? It is about systems and not individuals that we hope will pitch on the day. We are a machine. Not even an oiled machine. We need to be a well oiled machine to compete. It is about the systems. The entire team bar a few individuals played SR. To only start to performing late in the second half against a CC team is not good for me. We drew to the Rebels and the Lions put 90 points on them. Time to be realistic . 40 minutes, 3 points, 13 handling errors. At Sharksworld that is viewed as good. The only reason the country never heard our cries last week was because we were not the bet to represent SA in the semifinals. And we proved them right just 7 days later whilst the Lions proved the rest of SA right. But after watching the quality of their play I am now fully behind them to win this thing. Sharks have a long way to go. You guys can be proud of keeping a fully blown CC side tryless and putting on only 4 tries at home at against them. Not me.

  • Comment 18, posted at 30.07.17 18:44:16 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 15) : That and the fact that we completely disregard the first half. Even some lesser teams can take advantage of that.

  • Comment 19, posted at 31.07.17 05:57:19 by coolfusion Reply

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  • I must admit i missed most of the first half but apparently i didnt miss much. 2nd half was pretty good viewing.
    For me the Sharks with Am at 12 look much more dangerous and i think he needs to stay there with Esterhuizen moving to 13- if Am puts him into space i struggle to see which opposition 13 etc will bring him down easy.
    And then overall the fitness levels are still way below where they need to be.
    Two main reasons why the Lions are able to beat NZ teams is that their fitness and handling are on par with them.

  • Comment 20, posted at 31.07.17 08:35:00 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 20) : Can’t see how we lost all our fitness levels in one week.. just a week ago we more than matched your much admired Lions levels of fitness, in fact coming from the coast and playing at unaccustomed altitude levels,I’d say we were fitter.

  • Comment 21, posted at 31.07.17 09:57:29 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 21) : You’d be wrong. :twisted: Quarter final was a do or die last ditch attempt for the Sharks to save their season. For the Lions it was an inconvenience. A match to get out the way before the real challenge. They barely got out of 2nd gear. :razz: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 22, posted at 31.07.17 10:08:09 by McLovin Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 21) : Lets be honest the Lions were very poor against the Sharks in that playoff. It was an exception to their regular performance. The Sharks fitness levels are not on par with the Lions and NZ sides…that is very clear. So its not that they lost it- they never had it.

  • Comment 23, posted at 31.07.17 10:09:44 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 22) : two matches, two refs, 2 very questionable yellow cards…with that kind of officiating, even the current bulls team won’t need to get out of 2nd gear to win a match :mrgreen:

  • Comment 24, posted at 31.07.17 10:18:11 by HeinF Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 24) : i found it strange as to who those cards were given two ,Stefan Lewies and Beudon Barritt,two very clean players, but two highly influential players. Case could be made that the time both those players were the heart of their respective teams
    The timing of those two cards was instrumental in shutting down the momentum of both teams, who incidentally at that stage were on top of the Lions.

  • Comment 25, posted at 31.07.17 10:32:51 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 25) : Barrett has 3 yellows and 1 red card this season. Serial offender. His kind of cheating needs to be weeded out.

  • Comment 26, posted at 31.07.17 10:44:41 by McLovin Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 25) : Lewies 4 yellows. :roll:

  • Comment 27, posted at 31.07.17 10:46:29 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 26) : Bullshit,

  • Comment 28, posted at 31.07.17 10:47:21 by The hound Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 27) : Bullshit

  • Comment 29, posted at 31.07.17 10:47:42 by The hound Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 27) : Saturday I will be joining most of your friends and family in the Cape.
    Will be a Cape Crusader.
    Lions probably organized Lourens van der Merwe to ref

  • Comment 30, posted at 31.07.17 10:50:25 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 25) : @McLovin (Comment 27) : I also see them as fairly clean players, but will agree a bit on the card evidence provided ;) doesn’t change the fact that the cards were hugely influential on the shift of momentum and that the odds are very good that the lions would actually have lost if those cards were not awarded. Just still strange to me that a team can have that type of luck 2 weeks in a row in 2 knock-out games…think Ackerman should buy some lottery tickets this weekend, they seem to have that type of odds in their favour atm.

  • Comment 31, posted at 31.07.17 10:50:49 by HeinF Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 25) : As McLovin said, Barrett now has 3 yellows and a red for the season.

    As to the Canes being in control, that’ wasn’t the case. The Lions had wiped out the 3-22 deficit and Aso try shortly before the incident made the score 22-29 with the Lions on attack in the red zone with a good chance of scoring if they could get quick ball. Barrett prevented that and Peyper regarded it a professional foul serious enough to warrant a yellow card. Whether another ref would have made the same call we’ll never know

  • Comment 32, posted at 31.07.17 10:57:48 by Baylion Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 25) : Lewis yellow was very harsh and unjustified. Barrett yellow much more justified as he knew exactly what he was doing- quick ball would have resulted in a try as their defense was nowhere and Lions all up with play.
    But agreed that both yellows swung the games.

  • Comment 33, posted at 31.07.17 11:00:29 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 19) : Your words are so true

  • Comment 34, posted at 31.07.17 11:01:12 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 31) : No luck. Players took a risk and got carded. Paid the penalty. Same as a knock-on or any other infringement. They need to look at their discipline, not moan about getting caught out.

  • Comment 35, posted at 31.07.17 11:01:23 by McLovin Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 30) : They are not my friends. Or family. :mrgreen: Have a couple of Sharks family members, but don’t really talk to them. :twisted:

  • Comment 36, posted at 31.07.17 11:04:15 by McLovin Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 33) : Agreed, Lewies’s offside had no influence on the game and was given without any prior team warning. Barrett’s action did influence the game.

  • Comment 37, posted at 31.07.17 11:06:11 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 35) : I still need to find the clip where Lewies is moaning about being “caught out”, but will find a few posts where fans lament the refs incompetence ;) as for working on their discipline, seeing as refs like Marius ref with 2 different set of rules for us and our opposition, if he would have been kind enough to let us no in advance which set of rules we need to follow and which set of rules he will allow the lions to run rampant with, I am sure we would have been adequately prepared :mrgreen:

  • Comment 38, posted at 31.07.17 11:22:24 by HeinF Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 38) : If he’s not moaning them he’s halfway there. Also pretty sure their yellows weren’t all from the same ref.

  • Comment 39, posted at 31.07.17 11:33:46 by McLovin Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 24) :

    10/10 = Very original statement.
    Might have been three (3) matches, two (2) refs, three (3) very questionable yellow cards

  • Comment 40, posted at 31.07.17 11:35:23 by BluffShark Reply

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  • It has been officially confirmed that both the Bulls and Stormers could still go to the final – they just have to buy tickets.

  • Comment 41, posted at 31.07.17 11:40:16 by BluffShark Reply

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  • What was done was done… but a plea to the Lions and Sanzaar, if you really think the Lions is the best and deserve their spot in the final and maybe the trophy, then please ensure neutral refs for this forthcoming match. Do you really want close this chapter with a cloud hanging over it? This bring the integrity of the game into question and it is surely not good for the game going forward…..

  • Comment 42, posted at 31.07.17 11:59:22 by BluffShark Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 39) : Probably not, but for the sake of my argument, I am only focusing on the yellow cards that confuse me…

  • Comment 43, posted at 31.07.17 12:00:31 by HeinF Reply

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  • The best ref should get the final irrespective of nationality. Appointing neutral refs just pander to biased fans who often don’t know and/or fully understand the laws of the game and creates unneccessary doubt about officials’ impartiality and fuels tin hat conspiracy theories.

  • Comment 44, posted at 31.07.17 12:15:59 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 44) : Wrap the aluminum tin foil tighter round your own head.
    The worst thing we could do in the eyes of the rugby world is to apoint our biased, arrogant and incompetent officials for this game.
    The whole team needs to be neutral and probably northern hemisphere.
    Any way if the Lions do win, they will be the first ever Super rugby winners to not have played one single game in New Zealand.
    Kind of hollow victory true champions win away as well as at home.

  • Comment 45, posted at 31.07.17 12:28:03 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 45) : They can only play what’s in front of them. Two best teams are in the final. The winners will be true champions forever recorded as such in the annals of rugby.

  • Comment 46, posted at 31.07.17 12:33:27 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 44) : Quite a few rugby scribes and commentators had a go at Marius’s decisions – so you probably need to lump then into the pot as well.

    So the basis of your argument is that only the supporters of the winning team, supporters of other teams who hate / dislike the losing team and the officials as a group (like the medical profession they stick together) understand the complicated laws of rugby :roll:

  • Comment 47, posted at 31.07.17 12:54:56 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 45) : “Any way if the Lions do win, they will be the first ever Super rugby winners to not have played one single game in New Zealand. Kind of hollow victory..” – That is not the Lions fault, and has the same merit as “The 2007 Boks were not true world champs as they did not play the Kiwis and Aussies”

  • Comment 48, posted at 31.07.17 12:57:22 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 48) : And how often have you heard that.

  • Comment 49, posted at 31.07.17 13:04:39 by The hound Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 46) : Exactly as we all happily agreed in 2007, :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

  • Comment 50, posted at 31.07.17 13:07:35 by The hound Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 47) : No. Only the officials fully understand. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 51, posted at 31.07.17 13:29:26 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 47) : Scribes and commentators in general are the last people I’d trust to understand.

  • Comment 52, posted at 31.07.17 13:32:21 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 52) : You say you usually don’t mean to stir, it just happens…I wonder ;-)
    Seriously, no stirring, would love your true honest rugby opinion on neutral vs “best” ref, or will I have to go and stalk stormers websites to find that? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 53, posted at 31.07.17 13:39:45 by HeinF Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 44) : @McLovin (Comment 52) :

    Yea yea, I hear you and I recall your comment 122 under the topic “Sharks pipped at the death once more”, which was
    “I dont always start of with the intention to gently stir. It sometimes just happens.”

  • Comment 54, posted at 31.07.17 13:42:53 by BluffShark Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 53) : lol, You read my mind…lol

  • Comment 55, posted at 31.07.17 13:46:57 by BluffShark Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 53) : Serious and honest answer is as follows: I truly believe the best ref should get the gig no matter where he/she is from. I don’t think that officials are biased. Just human and also susceptible to different pressures on match day. Some are unfortunately just not as good as they perhaps should be.

    PS I do not comment anywhere else except here. :smile:

  • Comment 56, posted at 31.07.17 13:49:35 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 14) : You clearly didnt get Mallet and the studio discussion after the game.

  • Comment 57, posted at 31.07.17 13:52:47 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Paul Cully stated in his article “Jaco Peyper semi-final controversy exposes flaw of non-’neutral’ rugby referees” that “Instead, we have a situation where we are talking about Peyper and perhaps not giving enough credit to the Lions, who finished like a tank platoon over the top of the weary Canes”

    The bottom line is there is a cloud hanging over these matches, which bring the integrity of Rugby as a professional sport into question. One of these days we (and I am saying this with respect) would have a “Hansie” in Rugby. Everything should be done to prevent or minimize that and neutral refs would contribute to that.

  • Comment 58, posted at 31.07.17 13:53:51 by BluffShark Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 56) :
    Too sweet and naive not to at least try to cast some light on: newsflash Dorothy – everyone is inherently biased. Pressure/ stress just tends to remove the filter as we make instinctive decisions.

    The beauty of neutral officials is not necessarily whether it substantively results in more fair decisions – but the fact that it helps remove the additional suspicion that hometown ofinials bring.

  • Comment 59, posted at 31.07.17 13:56:52 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 59) : For me the only truly unbiased voice in world rugby is Justin Marshall,he is a joy to listen to reads and interprets the game from a totally neutral position.Nobody comes close to him.

  • Comment 60, posted at 31.07.17 14:05:45 by The hound Reply
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  • The Crusaders has been calling for neutral refs since April 2016 after a match in which they beaten the Lions http://www.superxv.com/crusaders-call-neutral-referees-super-rugby/#ixzz4oPUXn01Z

  • Comment 61, posted at 31.07.17 14:08:25 by BluffShark Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 59) : Good point

  • Comment 62, posted at 31.07.17 14:10:37 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 60) : There are a few legends (especially in NZ) who have impressed me with their neutral views on the game – Jeff Wilson on Breakdown, very impressive.

  • Comment 63, posted at 31.07.17 14:10:49 by BluffShark Reply

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  • @BluffShark (Comment 63) : Wilson is still little KIWI eyed.while he doesn’t run down oposition players like Mallett, does he hardly ever praises them.Marshal is very complimentary to good rugby no matter where it comes from.

  • Comment 64, posted at 31.07.17 14:20:03 by The hound Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 59) : Thanks for your message.

    Firtsly allow me to Aplogise old boy, in my efforts to keep my replies short and sweet and light I failed to express myself clearly. Inherent bias and bias shown by sport referees is a fascinating subject, one I would love to explore and discuss in much more detail and in depth with intelligent and informed chaps like yourself. It is unfortunately with great regret that I cannot, due to factors such as work, having to type on a phone with fat fingers, etc.

    I hope that in future, circumstances and time will allow for a much more detailed post from myself.

  • Comment 65, posted at 31.07.17 14:23:31 by McLovin Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 60) :
    Great commentator – I really enjoy listening to him.

    @McLovin (Comment 65) :
    :lol:

  • Comment 66, posted at 31.07.17 14:41:52 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 56) : We feel really special that you comment here then ;)
    I am just wondering, as I umpire hockey ( I know, not rugby). I have done this at provincial school level, which is not that impressive, but I would like to believe that I am at least a little better than the average umpire out there(which admittedly makes me nowhere near as qualified as the great Marius ;) ). I can promise you, at all times I try and be fair. There are times that I have to umpire games where the teams that I coach play. It is difficult. When the other team is close to scoring, I would never purposely blow against them, but I do tend to look harder for any mistake which I can fairly blow them out of the D (although I do try not to, I am only human). Just feels like a lot of refs are sometimes reffing like this. Not going against the laws, but seeing offenses by certain teams just a lot more often than with others.

  • Comment 67, posted at 31.07.17 14:45:37 by HeinF Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 67) : Nice of you to say ‘special’. I suspect some would rather use terms such as victimised. :lol:

    With regards to the rest, very interesting. Perhaps just illustrates what a tough job referees have.

  • Comment 68, posted at 31.07.17 14:59:40 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 68) : Nah, we all feel special! If you didn’t stir while we were upset, we would have nowhere to continue venting…it would be one vent and done! Now we get to tell you why you are wrong week and a half after a game! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 69, posted at 31.07.17 15:03:00 by HeinF Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 69) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 70, posted at 31.07.17 15:12:08 by McLovin Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 67) :
    Great example. And you are certainly not alone in your struggle. A default to the familiar is part of the survival instinct.

    The reality of personal bias is roundly acknowledged in just about every area of human activity (even consciously in the judiciary) so I have no idea why we would ignore this reality in competitive rugby. Just go with neutral refs!

  • Comment 71, posted at 31.07.17 15:28:24 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @BluffShark (Comment 12) : Initially, maybe. But if the Cheetahs do participate in the Pro competition, they will have to use their player resources split over two concurrent competitions. Unlikely they will have their top players available for the knockout rounds.

  • Comment 72, posted at 31.07.17 16:42:17 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 72) : something has gone wrong They are taking too long to confirm this Pro14 thing. How can it possibly still happen this year?

  • Comment 73, posted at 31.07.17 16:55:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 71) : This…

  • Comment 74, posted at 31.07.17 19:37:20 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 44) : I vote Marius should get the final…he’s the best!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 75, posted at 31.07.17 19:44:09 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 75) : Almost :mrgreen:

    2017 Super Rugby final match officials

    Match Referee: Jaco Peyper (SA)
    Assistant Referee (1): Glen Jackson (NZ)
    Assistant Referee (2): Marius van der Westhuizen (SA)
    Television Match Official (TMO): Marius Jonker (SA)

  • Comment 76, posted at 01.08.17 07:16:27 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 76) :What a joke, only thing they got wrong was Greef for the T.MO and Starvin Marvin as assistant ref.

  • Comment 77, posted at 01.08.17 07:55:49 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 77) : I reckon they got it spot on.

    Peyper did well in the semi. Carding cheating Barrett. Made one mistake by not carding one of the Canes’ loosies who dived on the ball from an off side position right under the sticks. But nobody’s perfect.

    Also last year’s final was refereed by a Kiwi who was assisted by 2 more Kiwis and a dingo. No SA official got a look in. And no-one complained then.

  • Comment 78, posted at 01.08.17 08:03:15 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 78) : Yes, but last year the better team won ;)

  • Comment 79, posted at 01.08.17 09:14:23 by HeinF Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 79) : This year will be no different then. :smile:

  • Comment 80, posted at 01.08.17 09:24:59 by McLovin Reply

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  • Guys why all the hate at the Lions? Not like they choose who to play or who the referees for the matches are and what decisions they make? Please don’t tell me it’s a massive conspiracy by SARU to get a SA team in the final because of viewership numbers etc. That’s very far fetched for guys who can’t even negotiate a lollipop from a toddler.

  • Comment 81, posted at 01.08.17 09:56:58 by Quintin Reply

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  • Kings and Cheetahs confirmed in pro14. :cool:

  • Comment 82, posted at 01.08.17 11:39:37 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 81) : Love your second sentence, you are in for an extremely traumatic experience when one day you realize that there is no tooth fairy.Of all the referees in the world you would think that all they could come up with is little crooked Peyper..
    Its not about viewership numbers thats owned by the broadcasters, its about bums on the seats in the stadium.

  • Comment 83, posted at 01.08.17 11:51:13 by The hound Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 78) : Ha ha, don’t spoil the usual conspiracy theorists’ fun! Very few, if any refs are unbiased. And when officiating in a Sharks match, they are invariably the worst, and most anti-Sharks officials ever! Also 99% to blame for Sharks losses :evil:

  • Comment 84, posted at 01.08.17 12:43:00 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 84) : 99%? That low? :twisted:

  • Comment 85, posted at 01.08.17 12:48:21 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 85) : the other 1% is assigned to humidity

  • Comment 86, posted at 01.08.17 12:54:55 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 86) : How could I forget. :smile:

  • Comment 87, posted at 01.08.17 13:05:40 by McLovin Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 84) : whose picture is on the inside of your toilet door Bryce Lawrence,Steve Walsh,or are you a Peyper man. Like fucken hell you never complained about a ref,

  • Comment 88, posted at 01.08.17 13:47:15 by The hound Reply
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  • Congratulations to the Lions in winning the super Rugby trophy. Well done!!

    Especially in view of “South Africa’s Jaco Peyper was on Tuesday named as referee for the Super Rugby final as officials shrugged off calls for a neutral whistle-blower and a yellow-card controversy in the semis.”

    “The selection criteria for all match official appointments for the last two years follows a clear tournament policy… that such appointments be merit-based,” SANZAAR CEO Andy Marinos said in a statement.

    Andy Marinos = SA

  • Comment 89, posted at 01.08.17 13:49:44 by BluffShark Reply

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  • Rugby is the sport that we love and have passion for. When the integrity of Rugby becomes questionable, then it brings Rugby as a sport into disrepute. This have a negative impact on all of us who claims we love this sport.

    On that note as someone has responded @HeinF (Comment 69) : We love the interactions of McLovin as he / she creates an environment in which we can air our frustrations, preventing it from building up inside us and to explode.

    Thank you

  • Comment 90, posted at 01.08.17 14:24:57 by BluffShark Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 88) : :razz: :twisted: Think It’s Marius :evil:

  • Comment 91, posted at 01.08.17 14:25:40 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 88) : Have you not noticed how anyone that is not a Sharks supporter and hangs out here (Why I dont know, but I like them here anyway) has been born as the Mahtma reincarnates. How many can there be so many?

  • Comment 92, posted at 01.08.17 14:32:15 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @BluffShark (Comment 90) : McLovin is a she. Guaranteed.

  • Comment 93, posted at 01.08.17 14:33:58 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @BluffShark (Comment 90) : Stop flirting with me. :smile:

  • Comment 94, posted at 01.08.17 14:34:14 by McLovin Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 88) :
    @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 92) :
    Been blogging for years and you are spot on Salmo. They really all are paragon of virtue and righteousness. It’s truly humbling. Except if you know how superficial Internet identities are.

    Personally I am desperately hoping for a Lions win – it would hopefully lead to the adoption of a more holistic and exciting brand of rugby across SA. I’m tired of percentage rugby.

  • Comment 95, posted at 01.08.17 14:43:58 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 95) : Blogging semi-anonymously seems to bring out the worst in some people. So these guys and gals (?) are really truly saintly

  • Comment 96, posted at 01.08.17 14:53:29 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 96) :
    Perhaps Rob needs to install a halo icon for avatars? An additional wings and harp icon can be earned on performance of the 3rd miracle.

  • Comment 97, posted at 01.08.17 15:02:25 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 95) : Also hoping for a Lions victory for much the same reasons as you. If they win it the very first message that will be sent, specifically to the New Zealanders and the English is that “we are not afraid of you and we can beat you” That message was sent last weekend, now to just reinforce it. It will do absolute wonders to the psyche of the Boks and those attending the training camps over the next few weeks.

  • Comment 98, posted at 01.08.17 15:03:17 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 93) : McLovin is transgender and only really came on here once he realized he was not going to be a U.S. Marine

  • Comment 99, posted at 01.08.17 15:15:04 by The hound Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 97) : :lol:

  • Comment 100, posted at 01.08.17 15:15:36 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 99) : :lol: Yeah, seems like they reached their cut off target of 15000 quicker than they thought they would. How is it remotely possible that there are 15000 transgender soldiers serving in the US military. What is so appealing with that organisation?

  • Comment 101, posted at 01.08.17 15:29:55 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 99) : Not really an armed forces kind of person anyway. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 102, posted at 01.08.17 15:32:50 by McLovin Reply

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  • Maybe it was a trade off between NZ and SA. Andy Marinos “Give us one super rugby title and in exchange we would release two (2) teams from the competition with effective next year”

  • Comment 103, posted at 01.08.17 15:36:02 by BluffShark Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 101) : Obama pssed a law that if you spent four months in the service the defense force would pay for the operation.

  • Comment 104, posted at 01.08.17 15:37:48 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 104) : Is that true, I thought the underlying reason would be for the ops and the counselling but never realised there was a probation period. You gotta Luv America.

  • Comment 105, posted at 01.08.17 15:55:43 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 97) : Agreed! The halo and wings would suit me to “T” or maybe a “C” :grin:

  • Comment 106, posted at 01.08.17 15:58:46 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 105) : Or you could join and then four months later you could have a gender epiphany and Uncle Sam would pay for the hormones and the surgery.

  • Comment 107, posted at 01.08.17 16:00:55 by The hound Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 106) :
    All you need is another vowel and another consonant. ;-)

  • Comment 108, posted at 01.08.17 16:10:14 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 108) : Don’t confuse the man,where he comes from that begins with a K

  • Comment 109, posted at 01.08.17 16:51:00 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 104) : No law was passed by anybody, it is a policy implemented by the Department of Defense during the Obama administration. Big difference, policies can be changed quite easily, laws can not be ignored so easily.

  • Comment 110, posted at 01.08.17 17:17:05 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 110) : Bow to your superior semantic knowledge, how are you so knowledgable are you on the waiting list ;-)

  • Comment 111, posted at 01.08.17 17:21:30 by The hound Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 110) : So more like the correct or accepted application of the rule or law then?

  • Comment 112, posted at 01.08.17 18:04:29 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 109) : Pray do tell, and where do I come from? Assumptions can make you look real silly :razz:

  • Comment 113, posted at 01.08.17 19:40:34 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 111) : :lol: :wink: My knowledge comes from working for an executive agency of the Federal Government as both an employee and contractor for 25 years.

  • Comment 114, posted at 01.08.17 22:42:46 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 112) : No. not really, there is no rule or law demanding the Gov pay for surgery for trans people who are in the military. It was a budget decision made under Obama, to pay for the surgery, not responding to any law or rule. The budget decision has now been reversed under Trump. In the USA for a law to exist, it must first be voted on and passed by both houses of Congress, and signed by the sitting President. There is no law that has been through that process that says anything about trans people in the military.To imply one is accepted and correct application of law while the other is not is just not an accurate description, since there is no law.

  • Comment 115, posted at 01.08.17 22:46:58 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 71) :

    What is neutral though?

    Aus and NZ are culturally much closer to each other than to SA. Especially in rugby.
    If there is a problem with natural bias, which I do not dispute, then an Aus ref will always favor a NZ team over an SA team and likewise a kiwi ref in Aus v SA games.

  • Comment 116, posted at 01.08.17 23:39:01 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 105) :

    Read an interesting story on write-in candidates the other day.

    In 2010 Sen Lisa Murkowski lost the Republican primary against a Tea Party candidate but ended up winning the general election as a write-in.

    The Tea Party guy went to court to try to disqualify any ballot with a spelling mistake, but she still won.

    You’ll find a good write-up on wikipedia.

  • Comment 117, posted at 02.08.17 01:06:12 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 116) : What about a British ,French or Argentinian refer do you think they are also all anti South African.

  • Comment 118, posted at 02.08.17 07:49:33 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 118) : NH ref might actually not be a bad idea. :cool:

  • Comment 119, posted at 02.08.17 08:01:21 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 119) : I’d like to see an Argentinian,they are part of the competition and have been equally fucked over by S.A ,N.Z and Aus.They have no reason to favor anyone.

  • Comment 120, posted at 02.08.17 09:21:55 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 120) : Good point. Do they have refs up to the standard required?

  • Comment 121, posted at 02.08.17 09:39:54 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 121) : Burundi and Outer Mongolia,have refs up to Lourens van der Merwe,Marius,Toilet Peyper and Starving Marvin’s standard,
    Argentinian refs, have already officiated in this competition this year,

  • Comment 122, posted at 02.08.17 10:05:15 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 122) : Touche. :lol:

  • Comment 123, posted at 02.08.17 10:13:10 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 117) : Thanks, Ill check it out. I like the idea of these write in candidates – this being a case in point of actually giving the electorate what/ / who they want.

  • Comment 124, posted at 02.08.17 10:19:35 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 83) : I never believed in the tooth fairy, Santa or any magical mystical beings or forces since I was a child so I don’t need any assistance there. I just don’t believe that there is such an elaborate scheme in the works regarding the refereeing. Yes, some favoritism, bias and plain incompetence on a personal level, but not a massive conspiracy against or in favor of any specific team.

    @The hound (Comment 122) : :lol: Had a good laugh at that.

  • Comment 125, posted at 02.08.17 10:25:49 by Quintin Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 122) : Only one Argie ref on the panel. And he seems more of a sevens ref. Slim pickings.

  • Comment 126, posted at 02.08.17 10:43:31 by McLovin Reply

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  • Peyper & Jackson the most experienced refs on the panel. Can see why both are involved in the final.

  • Comment 127, posted at 02.08.17 11:12:45 by McLovin Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 118) :

    Kiwis and Aussies are not anti-SA. They just have a natural affinity for each other.

    And you have possible similar issues with any other country.
    Plus cost.
    Plus the undesireble side effect of denying opportunities to SA, NZ and Aus referees.

    The best way to negate known biases is with randomness and competance.
    Which is pretty much what they’re doing now.

  • Comment 128, posted at 02.08.17 11:37:44 by fyndraai Reply
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