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Rugby Champs 2017: Argentina v South Africa


Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :Argentina, Original Content, Springboks, The Rugby Championship on 26 Aug 2017 at 17:00
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Week 2 of the 2017 Rugby Championship and the Springboks are in Salta to face Argentina in the reverse fixture of last week’s opening round in Port Elizabeth, where the Boks won by 22 points.

This week though, I suspect a victory will come by a narrower margin as the Argentinian crowds always lift the home team. The Boks have faced the Pumas twice in Salta in recent times, firstly coming from behind in a narrow victory in 2014 while 2016 saw the Boks come undone, losing 26 – 24.

Only a single change from the team that won rather convincingly last weekend means there is sure to be some consistency and even improvement from the Springboks. Francois Hougaard comes into the scrumhalf position, which could go either way – he does tend to be quick off the mark but we lose the working combination of Cronje feeding Jantjies. This will be interesting to see.

The tight forwards were good last week, even though the backline never fully took advantage of the front foot ball. Things to hope for in this game – for the forwards to again show some dominance but ultimately we want to see an improved performance from the backs on attack. They will have to be on their toes as the Argentinian backline is sure to run at them all night.

Last week in this preview I asked for the Springboks to not underestimate Argentina, which they duly did not. That will have to be the case again this week as it is sure to be a much tougher proposition. The Pumas came close 3 years and managed to beat the Boks last year. They know how to win in Salta and will put everythng into this game as it will be a must win game in their minds.

Last week I predicted a close game and was quite wrong. I will stick my neck out again stating that this game will be tighter than last week but still predicting a Bok victory.

Argentina: 15 Joaquín Tuculet, 14 Ramiro Moyano, 13 Matías Orlando, 12 Jerónimo de la Fuente, 11 Emiliano Boffelli, 10 Juan Martín Hernández, 9 Tomás Cubelli, 8 Juan Manuel Leguizamón, 7 Tomás Lezana, 6 Pablo Matera, 5 Tomás Lavanini, 4 Matías Alemanno, 3 Ramiro Herrera, 2 Agustín Creevy (captain), 1 Lucas Noguera.

Replacements: 16 Julián Montoya, 17 Santiago García Botta, 18 Enrique Pieretto, 19 Marcos Kremer, 20 Javier Ortega Desio, 21 Martín Landajo, 22 Nicolás Sánchez, 23 Matías Moroni.

South Africa: 15 Andries Coetzee, 14 Raymond Rhule, 13 Jesse Kriel, 12 Jan Serfontein, 11 Courtnall Skosan, 10 Elton Jantjies, 9 Francois Hougaard, 8 Zaire Cassiem, 7 Jaco Kriel, 6 Siya Kolisi, 5 Franco Mostert, 4 Eben Etzebeth (captain), 3 Coenraad Oosthuizen, 2 Malcolm Marx, 1 Tendai Mtawarira.

Replacements: 16 Mbongeni Mbonambi, 17 Steven Kitshoff, 18 Trevor Nyakane, 19 Pieter-Steph du Toit, 20 Jean-Luc du Preez, 21 Rudy Paige, 22 Curwin Bosch, 23 Damian de Allende.

Date: Saturday, 26 August 2017
Venue: Estadio Padre Ernesto Martearena, Salta
Kick-off: 16.40 (21.40 SA time; 19.40 GMT)
Expected weather: Partly cloudy and warm. It will be 24°C at kick-off.
Referee: Pascal Gaüzère (France)
Assistant referees: Romain Poite (France), Nic Berry (Australia)
TMO: Glenn Newman (New Zealand)



56 Comments

  • Hopefully hougie doesnt screw jantjies around with his wayward passing

  • Comment 1, posted at 26.08.17 18:58:33 by Dunx Reply
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  • @Dunx (Comment 1) : Hopefully there is no negative play from the argies, if the boks get quick ball, this should be a cakewalk

  • Comment 2, posted at 26.08.17 19:12:19 by jdolivier Reply
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  • @jdolivier (Comment 2) : No negative play from argintinia? Only when they have a bye week…

  • Comment 3, posted at 26.08.17 19:43:37 by coolfusion Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 3) : Tongue in cheek bud, remember we can’t mention the official panel

  • Comment 4, posted at 26.08.17 20:28:06 by jdolivier Reply
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  • Guess there is no such thing as an offside line in the rugby championship this season

  • Comment 5, posted at 26.08.17 21:44:08 by jdolivier Reply
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  • Jantjies back his old useless self. where is the one that plays for the Lions??

  • Comment 6, posted at 26.08.17 21:49:01 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Argies are getting away with murder in the maul defence

  • Comment 7, posted at 26.08.17 21:54:11 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @Dunx (Comment 1) : Hougie is fucking useless

  • Comment 8, posted at 26.08.17 21:54:35 by jdolivier Reply

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  • Great try!

  • Comment 9, posted at 26.08.17 22:04:18 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • Smaller field makes for less linebreaks, we need to stay patient and clinical

  • Comment 10, posted at 26.08.17 22:10:56 by jdolivier Reply

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  • Lovely try by Argentina, courtesy of the Percy Montgomery school of fullback play, let it bounce what could go wrong

  • Comment 11, posted at 26.08.17 22:13:58 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 11) : Amateur error

  • Comment 12, posted at 26.08.17 22:21:13 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 12) : The boks look amateur tonight across the entire park, pressure game and wow what a surprise we crawl into our shells and kick everything

  • Comment 13, posted at 26.08.17 22:22:33 by jdolivier Reply

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  • Some pretty kak rugby from both sides

  • Comment 14, posted at 26.08.17 22:23:24 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 14) : Pretty kak rugby would be an improvement…….

  • Comment 15, posted at 26.08.17 22:24:32 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 15) : Scratch the pretty… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 16, posted at 26.08.17 22:25:59 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • Nobody saw that inside pass to Rhule coming. Except the Argie backline…

  • Comment 17, posted at 26.08.17 22:27:02 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • If this is really the best the Bokke are capable of on tour, we are getting smashed by both Aus and NZ

  • Comment 18, posted at 26.08.17 22:30:39 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 18) : Hard to argue against that statement

  • Comment 19, posted at 26.08.17 22:32:43 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • Well I’m switching off. I’ve reached my limit of crap games per day. No use wat in more of my life on it. I’ll just catch the results.

  • Comment 20, posted at 26.08.17 22:35:43 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 20) : Yes. Thanks to AB’s and Aussies for making the weekend bearable

  • Comment 21, posted at 26.08.17 22:40:48 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • Yellow on Coetzee fair, but no tmo for the punch by 12???

  • Comment 22, posted at 26.08.17 23:08:07 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 22) : very poor refereeing

  • Comment 23, posted at 26.08.17 23:15:24 by byron Reply

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  • @byron (Comment 23) : Ref has definitely not been in control of the match

  • Comment 24, posted at 26.08.17 23:16:53 by jdolivier Reply

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  • Bring on the boxing

  • Comment 25, posted at 26.08.17 23:30:01 by byron Reply

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  • Shit ugly bonus point win is better than losing pretty, congratulations Bokke

  • Comment 26, posted at 26.08.17 23:30:28 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 26) : No BP, rules are same as SR, have to have 3 more tries than your opponents,

  • Comment 27, posted at 26.08.17 23:38:10 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 27) : Kolisi x2, jantjes, penalty try, Jean luc du preez

  • Comment 28, posted at 26.08.17 23:44:23 by jdolivier Reply

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  • Argentina : moyoano and moroni

  • Comment 29, posted at 26.08.17 23:45:39 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 28) : 5 tries to 2 …. we got a penalty try too

  • Comment 30, posted at 26.08.17 23:45:43 by byron Reply

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  • Wouldn’t mind us buying Kollisi from province instead of that winger. Also wouldn’t mind if we shopped for another prop. Maybe Jacobie Adriaanse but I think his contract is still fresh.

  • Comment 31, posted at 27.08.17 09:53:22 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 31) : Or try to get Vincent Koch. He was born in kzn wasn’t he?

  • Comment 32, posted at 27.08.17 09:59:36 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 31) : Adriaanse is only on loan to the Lions for the Currie Cup as afar as I know.

    Anyway, a good win for the Boks even if it wasn’t a pretty game.

    The Boks are now on the longest current winning streak by Tier 1 nations :)

  • Comment 33, posted at 27.08.17 10:11:37 by Baylion Reply

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  • Biggest win in argentina in 5 or 6 years

  • Comment 34, posted at 27.08.17 10:13:38 by byron Reply

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  • @byron (Comment 23) : Apologies mate, it was 5 tries with the penalty try, it does give us a BP.

  • Comment 35, posted at 27.08.17 10:21:30 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • 2012 … 16-16
    2013 … 22-17
    2014 … 33-31
    2015 … 26-12
    2016 … 24-26
    Best away win against argies in a long time

  • Comment 36, posted at 27.08.17 12:51:59 by byron Reply

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  • Happy with the win.

    Though I suspect this might be our last win this championship.

  • Comment 37, posted at 27.08.17 12:59:48 by McLovin Reply

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  • Would love to know what is said during the coaches’ analysis of Rhule. Apart from getting of the bus safely and getting changed unassisted (though I have no evidence of the latter) he doesn’t appear to be doing much else.

    Reckon I completed as many tackles as he did. And that without leaving my couch. :roll:

  • Comment 38, posted at 27.08.17 13:04:43 by McLovin Reply

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  • And World Rugby should really do an audit of the French referee school, or wherever they are trained. At least make sure that they have the most up to date law book and have all read and understood what’s in it.

    I suspect they only have one copy and it’s in braille. A few things probably got lost in translation.

  • Comment 39, posted at 27.08.17 13:10:21 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 33) : Ja but getting long in the tooth as well. Which probably why lions didn’t sign him too long

  • Comment 40, posted at 27.08.17 13:30:24 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 37) : Kollisi fast becoming an mvp

  • Comment 41, posted at 27.08.17 14:06:37 by coolfusion Reply

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  • I wonder how the money thing works out buying a player who can play cc and SR vs having to pay an extra salary for guys who only play SR? Would it not make more sense and add continuity to pay a little more for one guy who can do both?

  • Comment 42, posted at 27.08.17 14:15:24 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 41) : He’s doing well. Good to see. So are a few others. Like Coenraad and his 2 mates in the front row. :cool:

  • Comment 43, posted at 27.08.17 14:22:37 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 43) : Ja but sia has been a revelation he was very medium under AC he has stepped up. If you guys are having a yard sale because of money troubles I would say other unions should be gunning for him. He has a great combo of power defense and great running lines. Also no slouch on the breakdown. I never liked him much but I am changing my mind rapidly.

  • Comment 44, posted at 27.08.17 14:26:44 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 42) : No. Because such a player would be average. No chance of getting anywhere in SR with that quality. Look at the Cheetahs. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 45, posted at 27.08.17 14:27:24 by McLovin Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 44) : WIll probably end up overseas after WP.

  • Comment 46, posted at 27.08.17 14:30:05 by McLovin Reply

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  • I imagine a front row of coenie (lh and th) with tank as backup and koch with Kollisi and Jean luc flanking and Keegan Daniel at 8 Akker and Marais or chilli at hooker. Ruan and player to be named at lock. Schreuder at scrumhalf bosch and Rob jnr for flyhalf. Am and Ward at centres with Louw as backup. Van wyk and Nkosi at wings smith at fullback.

  • Comment 47, posted at 27.08.17 14:33:31 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 46) : Yup. Sadly.

  • Comment 48, posted at 27.08.17 14:33:46 by coolfusion Reply

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  • On another note lambie nearing full fitness again. Might we still see him this year?

  • Comment 49, posted at 27.08.17 14:57:12 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Another thing. The Argies need to sort out their broadcasting standards. Was like the eighties. With the penalty try the ref kept asking for a replay of the deliberate knock-on but they kept showing PsdT ruffling the Argies’ hair.

    And where was the TMO? Sounded like he was in a hut somewhere in the Andes. :roll:

  • Comment 50, posted at 27.08.17 16:50:48 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 33) :

    SA is a tier 1 nation?

  • Comment 51, posted at 27.08.17 17:20:27 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 49) : But now the reports are that he may want out of his bok and sharks contract to start over in europe.

    If it works out like that I hope we use the additional funds to sure up the squad.

    Everyone would love to win the cc but your resources available after boks call ups, jap contracts, players leaving and of course injury affect your ability to do that (and for the cheetahs pro14 affects there ability to make the semis or get a home semi or final, provided they choose to play full strength squad in the knock out phase)

    I still love the cc though and want my team to give it their all.

    Lions on a skid but will likely still make the semis, they are finding their feet again after disruption on different levels.

    SA will at least beat Oz in sa, what happens in the other three games depends on is ross can play and how good everyone else can play against better opposition.

    Disappointed to have seen mike instead of cam on the bench yesterday but it did work out, mike was very composed when he came on.

    Observation after seeing the team in person: tyler paul may not be very tall like hyron, ruan, lewies but his a big fellow, as wide as a barn. Droste filled out a bit more since I saw him a year ago, could still bulk up some more.

    that wp fh is actually a really promising player.

  • Comment 52, posted at 27.08.17 18:41:16 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 51) : :grin: Hasn’t looked like that for a while but we’re back to #3 believe it or not

  • Comment 53, posted at 28.08.17 06:45:18 by Baylion Reply

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  • Saw Akkers and Ruan Botha at the Baby show in durban yesterday. Flip Botha is tall. Akkers is also tall. When you see them on tv they dont come across as big as that

  • Comment 54, posted at 28.08.17 08:17:09 by Dunx Reply

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  • @Dunx (Comment 54) : At 1.78m (5′ 10″) Akker isn’t really short I suppose but it’s like people saying Brussouw is short when he’s 1.81m (5′ 11″)

  • Comment 55, posted at 28.08.17 08:33:05 by Baylion Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 39) : Moaning about a ref, any ref, is rich, priceless and a little bit hypocritical, coming from you. Keep it up. :twisted:

  • Comment 56, posted at 28.08.17 08:51:56 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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