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Dan, Chili released for Currie Cup duty


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Springboks on 18 Sep 2017 at 12:56
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The Springboks have released seven members of the Rugby championship squad to play Currie Cup rugby this weekend and the Sharks and Blue bulls will each be richer by two players when they face off at Kings Park on Saturday.

Forwards Daniel du Preez and Chiliboy Ralepelle – neither of whom has seen any action whatsoever since being called up to the Boks – will return to the Sharks for much-needed game time, although it remains to be seen whether Rob du Preez will risk including either of the two ring-rusty players into the well-oiled machine he has running at present. With Franco Marais and Akker van der Merwe both playing well, Ralepelle’s inclusion would be hard to justify, while du Preez stands a slightly better chance given a few injuries in the loose forward ranks.

The Bulls may select Rudi Paige and Handre Pollard this week and John Mitchell is perhaps less likely to look this gift horse in the mouth, given the tribulations of his team at the moment. Other players released for Currie Cup duty ar the Western Province trio of Dillyn Leyds, Damian de Allende and Wilco Louw.



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  • Also though Chili would find it difficult to find a place in the team this weekend. Both Akker and Franco are trying to establish themselves as the number 1 hooker in the Sharks team, so neither would be interested in an off weekend. Including Dan might be a good thing add extra bit of grunt against the bulls. For how long is Vermeulen out?

  • Comment 1, posted at 18.09.17 12:59:56 by HeinF Reply
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  • @HeinF (Comment 1) : he should be back for the Lions

  • Comment 2, posted at 18.09.17 13:02:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • @HeinF (Comment 1) : Agreed fully I almost feel akkers is pushing harder to be the no 1.

  • Comment 3, posted at 18.09.17 13:04:24 by Dunx Reply

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  • @Dunx (Comment 3) : djou reckon? Hell no – I think Franco is in much better form than Akker as a starter right now.

  • Comment 4, posted at 18.09.17 13:05:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • I would assume Bok management has said the guys released should play? The interesting conundrum at hooker now raises its head…3 does not go into 2. Also who loses out in the loose trio..Mthembu probably although Tyler Paul could go to lock with Dan coming in.

  • Comment 5, posted at 18.09.17 13:27:21 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 5) : Bok management has no authority over our team selection.

  • Comment 6, posted at 18.09.17 13:29:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • Province really need Wilco Louw back pronto.

  • Comment 7, posted at 18.09.17 13:31:59 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Dan is exactly what the Sharks need against the Bulls,
    Franco should start and Akker is the perfect impact player, he brings that huge burst of adrenalin just when the opposition least need it.
    Chilli has had his time in the sun and the shade, like Odwaa ,Claassens and sadly Keegan he is not the future, and these guys should not be taking up the valuable playing space of the Akkers,Camerons,Blewitts,and Vermullens in the side

  • Comment 8, posted at 18.09.17 13:38:10 by The hound Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 6) : Authority no but im sure they would have expressed their intentions when the players were released

  • Comment 9, posted at 18.09.17 13:42:27 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I suppose the Boks are now going to play both matches (Aus and NZ) with four locks. That worked out well this past weekend. :shock: :shock:

  • Comment 10, posted at 18.09.17 13:51:48 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • F….ing moronic Bok management, we don’t have to change anything after a hiding like this past weekend, we’ll just do the same thing, but better this time. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: This Bok management team would be in deep water trying to manage and coach a primary school team.

  • Comment 11, posted at 18.09.17 13:56:00 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 4) : I agree, but Akker is more efective as an impact player as well, so makes more sense to start Franco and brinng on Akker. Think with Vermeulen still out, should be easy to accommodate Dan in the team.

  • Comment 12, posted at 18.09.17 13:59:07 by HeinF Reply

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  • The Boks expect to play two matches against NZ and an improving Aus with only 3 loosies in the squad. I understand using PSdT at flank in a pinch, but to plan for that is just nuts, he is a lock.

  • Comment 13, posted at 18.09.17 13:59:10 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @HeinF (Comment 12) : Mtembu doesn’t even have to change his game if he is dropped for Dan, he can still hang around the touchline all game long, just not on the field of play. ;-)

  • Comment 14, posted at 18.09.17 14:00:28 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 13) : The guys released should be drafted back into the squad. They are just released this weekend to get some match time as the Boks are not plying this weekend.

  • Comment 15, posted at 18.09.17 14:00:41 by HeinF Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 15) : @SheldonK (Comment 5) : @robdylan (Comment 6) : It’s a good point, and you may be right, but then Sheldon is right too, surely the Boks released them with instructions to the Unions to play them in the CC? What is the point of releasing a player to get game time if the Union is not going to play them in the CC.

  • Comment 16, posted at 18.09.17 14:04:38 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 14) : yoh…. tough crowd. He makes a few important tackles….

  • Comment 17, posted at 18.09.17 14:05:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 4) : I do believe so, besides lineouts his open field play and scrumming are definitely strong points.

  • Comment 18, posted at 18.09.17 14:05:23 by Dunx Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 16) : That is true but then who pays the price. The conundrum of having good players on your books. Since connie broke his arm we are having issues at TH

  • Comment 19, posted at 18.09.17 14:07:32 by Dunx Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 15) : Also, I presume the Boks are training this week, so if management expected to use these players in the home matches, surely they would be training with the Boks? No, I truly believe these guys will not be used (other than Pollard whose lack of game time is none other than the Bok’s fault for how they managed him). No, I sill think this Bok management team is utterly incompetent and have no real plan, and certainly no alternate plans.

  • Comment 20, posted at 18.09.17 14:08:01 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 17) : When I see him clean out a ruck, just once ;-) I will change my view :mrgreen: Wings make tackles as well, he is supposed to be a forward.

  • Comment 21, posted at 18.09.17 14:10:42 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 20) : No I agree, almost all of them will not play, I was just replying to the 3 loosies in the squad part of the comment ;-) But we have seen this weekend that they will rather play PSdT as a loosie, (saw him at no8 for some of the scrums) than play Dan in position. Logic is not of big importance to the current Bok management. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 22, posted at 18.09.17 14:15:28 by HeinF Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 15) : So do you truly believe that Dan will be recalled to the Bok squad after this weekend and will be on the bench as the 4th loosie against Aus? If not, my point remains, we are going with 4 locks because why???….because it worked so well this past weekend?

  • Comment 23, posted at 18.09.17 14:17:39 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @HeinF (Comment 22) : Biggest fuck up they made on Saturday,thats a helluva statement, ok one of the biggest fuck ups was taking off Jean Luc and not Cassiem.

  • Comment 24, posted at 18.09.17 14:19:13 by The hound Reply
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  • @HeinF (Comment 22) : Answered that question for me. :lol: At least Meyer seemed to have a plan and was organized, I didn’t agree with much of his plan, and over rigid playing style, but at least you could call him a coach, this mess of a management team is all over the place, making changes when it makes no sense, and staying with things when they clearly don’t work.

  • Comment 25, posted at 18.09.17 14:20:37 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 24) : True, but as soon as I saw PSdT on the field, I immediately knew it was Jean Luc that they took off the field, just seems like something AC would do… Next scrum confirmed this.

  • Comment 26, posted at 18.09.17 14:21:09 by HeinF Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 24) : :lol: right, brilliant player management, Jean Luc clearly needed to be rested, he has worked so hard off the bench. The problem is Cassiem disappears so much in a game, the coach forgets about him and doesn’t even think to replace him. Our coach has the attention span of a gnat anyway. Expect PSdT to start at 7 with Jean Luc on the bench for the next two matches. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 27, posted at 18.09.17 14:23:57 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 25) : It may not work, but didn’t you hear the coach talking about everything that they are learning :???: Not sure how long they still have to continue learning before they actually learn and change a few things, but in the meantime, our bok coach is using his time very productively to find positives in matches that the rest of us would rather like to forget about.

  • Comment 28, posted at 18.09.17 14:24:09 by HeinF Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 28) : I’m not a coach, but everyone involved in the Boks should be feeling so kak after that pitiful display that none should forget that feeling. The feeling should be so kak that none of them ever want to go to that dark horrible place anymore. Positives……what a joke!

  • Comment 29, posted at 18.09.17 14:37:08 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 29) : Haha and I waited until today to post since I wanted to settle down for a few days before posting to be nicer. :lol:

  • Comment 30, posted at 18.09.17 14:40:49 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @HeinF (Comment 28) : The utter bullshit of that statement is we are talking about a team who have won two world cups, whats there to learn, its not as if we are Romania or Portugal or Mongolia

  • Comment 31, posted at 18.09.17 15:00:22 by The hound Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 30) : I was nicer…then I read the comments from the coaching staff and become irritated all over again :mrgreen:

  • Comment 32, posted at 18.09.17 15:01:32 by HeinF Reply

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  • Spoke to Andre Esterhuizen last night, and just for interest sake, he has played 3 positions under Carlos Spencer so far, 10/12/15 and says it has enhanced his distribution big time.

  • Comment 33, posted at 19.09.17 09:20:38 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 33) : good news.

  • Comment 34, posted at 19.09.17 10:39:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 33) : And we moan when SA coaches move guys around in different positions…
    Glad to hear its improving his distribution though

  • Comment 35, posted at 19.09.17 10:40:23 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 35) : True, but yeah if it is making his game better then I am for it.

  • Comment 36, posted at 19.09.17 10:48:26 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 33) : Wonder if Carlos will comeback to join Mitchell at the Bulls

  • Comment 37, posted at 19.09.17 11:04:07 by The hound Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 33) : What is his preferred position? Personally I have always wanted to see him at 15,but get quite excited about the thought of him at 10

  • Comment 38, posted at 19.09.17 11:10:07 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 38) : Wow, that would be great to see. It would keep opposition guessing as to whether he runs or passes, hopefully creating space on the outside.

  • Comment 39, posted at 19.09.17 11:13:25 by StevieS Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 38) : Good question I will ask him. My only concern for Andre at 10 is slow in turning and his licking out if hand gets charged down a bit.

  • Comment 40, posted at 19.09.17 11:16:44 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 38) : Sent him a W/app so will tell you once he responds.

  • Comment 41, posted at 19.09.17 11:19:36 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 40) : We need a different flyhallf in this country somebody to disrupt the predictable pattern of the South African game
    .Last non Derick Houghaard clone we had was Frans Steyn,and the coaches fell over themselves to move him out from 10
    .We have so many frail and ineffective defending flyhalfs that the New Zealanders take it for granted that they can just run over who ever is in that channel, even the 100kg + Pollard.
    My problem is probably when I think 10 ,I still think Henri ”the lem” and I never saw one New Zealander run down that channel on his watch.
    Andre Eesterhuizen could be the guy, no harm in trying.

  • Comment 42, posted at 19.09.17 11:37:19 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 42) : very true, problem in S.A. we do not identify the players talent and if he has they tend to coach it out of him.

  • Comment 43, posted at 19.09.17 11:47:11 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • I read that Frans has been put on standby for a call up to the Boks for the home games against Aus and NZ.

  • Comment 44, posted at 19.09.17 12:04:25 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 43) : I remember one of the Sharks coaches don’t remember if it was White or Gold playing Andre at 7?
    Jonah Lomu would have been a prop if he was born in this country.

  • Comment 45, posted at 19.09.17 12:05:00 by The hound Reply
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  • Sorry, my bad, its Francois Louw on standby not Frans Steyn. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 46, posted at 19.09.17 12:05:30 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 45) : It was JW

  • Comment 47, posted at 19.09.17 12:07:12 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 46) : I am amazed that Alistar hasn’t called up Schalk Burger and John Smit.
    He should recalling Bismark,Frans and Marcel .

  • Comment 48, posted at 19.09.17 12:14:12 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 48) : Why not Bakkies and Victor while we’re at it? I am sure they will have more passion…

  • Comment 49, posted at 19.09.17 13:04:56 by T-Shark Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 48) : He can’t call up Marcell. He unfortunately falls 2 caps short of 30 cap minimum requirement for overseas based players.

  • Comment 50, posted at 19.09.17 13:20:32 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @T-Shark (Comment 49) : Jokes aside I can see Habanna getting a call up

  • Comment 51, posted at 19.09.17 13:24:49 by The hound Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 50) : I thin they will have to rethink that policy pretty soon.It biting us in the backside……and that was hard for me to say because I was one of those that thought that only picking local would keep guys here, its not happening.

  • Comment 52, posted at 19.09.17 13:26:53 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 50) : Bet Marcel breathed a sigh of relief when he realized that.

  • Comment 53, posted at 19.09.17 13:39:09 by The hound Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 52) : For context: they were banking on Marcell bumping up his cap count during this year’s incoming French tour and then he picked up an injury. The policy only came into force after that tour. But yeah, they need to add a Marcell clause now.

    @The hound (Comment 53) : :mrgreen: (I still want to see your dream trio play one day, Marcell & the dup twins)

  • Comment 54, posted at 19.09.17 13:54:08 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 42) : Nor Butch James

  • Comment 55, posted at 19.09.17 13:58:17 by benji Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 33) : glad to hear he’s enjoying his stay under King Carlos!!! Can’t wait to see him back in Durbs with the new skills!!!

  • Comment 56, posted at 19.09.17 13:58:45 by JD Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 37) : My eyes is he will ,Mitchell likes to work with his own Crowland there goes the SR trophy back to Pretoria

  • Comment 57, posted at 19.09.17 14:00:24 by benji Reply
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  • Sorry ,my view and own crew

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  • @The hound (Comment 31) : @Dancing Bear (Comment 27) : By most accounts, JL didn’t exactly set the scene alight either.

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 33) : Wow in Japan, that should qualify him for instant success. He is just a bash it type, I can run you over, because he doesn’t have the skills to beat them. He will stay a SR/CC player.

  • Comment 60, posted at 19.09.17 14:27:27 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 60) : The Japanese did not allow HM’s big bruisers to run over them – their defence stopped us in our tracks. So I don’t think it is just a case of big players running over the opposition in their league. I am pretty sure a coach like Spencer will teach his players to use space and not just rely on physicality.

    What is sad that our players need to go to Japan to learn new skills

  • Comment 61, posted at 19.09.17 14:51:28 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 60) : Yup just another shit big hard running and tackling back, another crap Iaonne,Savea,Speight,Kurundrani,Folaou type of player.
    Some times I think you talk shit for the sake of talking shit,.
    The modern game is as much about defense as attack, and when you have locks that run like Rettalick and props who run like Thomas Toit,you need backs that tackle like Andre and not like Raymond Rhule.

  • Comment 62, posted at 19.09.17 15:03:25 by The hound Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 59) : And, pray tell, who did set the scene alight?

  • Comment 63, posted at 19.09.17 15:06:38 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 60) : Yeah Japan, probably the reason Brussow has tanked.

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  • @HeinF (Comment 1) : @The hound (Comment 8) : All our veterans will serve a certain purpose in some respects.

    However the glee of having both Frank the tank and Aker in the squad has resulted in momentum to show Chilli the door when his actually very productive and of all the vets mentioned in most useful. all of SR having him and franco was good, now we also have aker who seems IMHO to be most productive off the bench, is good.

    Classens is in a slight different and yet similar position to chilli in that his with too quality young bucks competing to start, however I would argue that the gap between LS, Cam and classens is bigger than the gap between Franco, Aker and chilli, it a matter of perception though, for parts of SR chilli was better than franco.

    Keegs form has been up and down, in the SuperSport rugby Challenge he seem to struggle alittle, I figure its tough lifting the team when your up against the odds every time. Where as when his surrounded by quality players his ability and experience seems to allow him to adapt to what the team needs off him on that day.

    Odwa has a special place in all our hearts but his lack of pace gets exploited by good teams too easily, I figure this is his last Campaign with us though.

    so, too soon to right off chilli, his still good. keep mike and keegs around, and give odwa a great goodbye party at the end of cc 2017.

  • Comment 65, posted at 19.09.17 17:25:45 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 56) : @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 63) : @The hound (Comment 62) : I learnt to scroll past that clown, always snide remarks then when people fire back at him he tries to act all innocent, I do not have patience for that crap ;-)

    As for what Andre said re the 3 positions and which one he preferred, his reply to me was he enjoys all 3 and each one has it’s pro’s and con’s but yeah he repeated that it will better his skills and also better the reading of the game from a 10 point of view.

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  • @The hound (Comment 62) : :lol: Like Coetzee the Bok FB that triples around like a pregnant skunk on hot coals aiming for gaps but funnily always runs into the defence :grin: :grin: :grin:

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 61) : Not so sure it is because Andre needed new skills, I reckon it is more of Carlos seeing skills he already has and is prepared to use him when he finds his skills would benefit the team and Andre.

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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 65) : I didn’t mean Chili has no use, he is a very good third hooker to have, we all know injuries happen. I meant specifically the match this weekend he will find it difficult to start. Franco and Akker has played some good rugby and has been with the team, Chili has just arrived on Monday, probably will take a while to get use to all the calls again.

  • Comment 69, posted at 19.09.17 23:28:54 by HeinF Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 42) :

    Frans Steyn had chances at 10 and it was not very successful. I recall lots of charged down clearing kicks.

  • Comment 70, posted at 20.09.17 01:16:27 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 24) :

    Jean-Luc contributed about 14% of the ABs points during his time on the field. Imagine what the final score could have been if he was not replaced.

    @The hound (Comment 45) :
    White wanted him to switch to flank.

  • Comment 71, posted at 20.09.17 01:22:39 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 61) : Yes, that much is true. Think we have the coaches that encourage skills, but they will always be lambasted by our fans. Franco for instance focuses a lot n skills, and that is evident in the Cheetahs handling in general, it is their defence that is mud. If they can get a guy like Nienaber, they will really be a handful.

  • Comment 72, posted at 20.09.17 07:34:09 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 62) : If that is how you see it, to each his own. Never had a problem with size and physicality. But if that is all you have, then you are limited. All those you mention have more skills in their little toe than AE. Totally agree on Rhule. Unfortunately we don’t have a James Small terrier type wing anymore.

  • Comment 73, posted at 20.09.17 07:36:20 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 64) : @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 63) : Sadly no-one, hence my point. Why pick on one individual, because he isn’t a Sharks darling, when they all should have been subbed!

  • Comment 74, posted at 20.09.17 07:38:48 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 71) : That sounds fancy, the 14%…but you’re actually saying he gave away 8 points – I’m assuming you mean the intercept pass and one penalty? If you want to replace JL on the basis of two mistakes it seems to me the whole side must be replaced… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 75, posted at 20.09.17 07:39:38 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 66) : So scroll on past. You cry like a baby all the time anyway. And your opinion is your own, not like I give a continental.

  • Comment 76, posted at 20.09.17 07:39:40 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 73) : Andre has a huge very accurate boot and is probably one of the most devastating tacklers in the Super rugby league, thats two more things I’d rather have in a backline player ,stop trolling you are getting boring.

  • Comment 77, posted at 20.09.17 08:49:30 by The hound Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 70) : “Frans Steyn had chances at 10 and it was not very successful. I recall lots of charged down clearing kicks.” …… No man, thats not good enough from you, what does “lots” mean, give us percentages…..

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 66) : Nah, I like our orange kitty cat hanging around here, he does bait us a fair bit but I actually think he has a soft spot for the Sharks.

  • Comment 79, posted at 20.09.17 08:52:59 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 74) : You misread the original posts, no player was being picked on, the coach yes, but not a player.

  • Comment 80, posted at 20.09.17 08:59:32 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 71) : Was Phil Murphys box of calculators delivered to you by mistake?

  • Comment 81, posted at 20.09.17 09:03:58 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 75) :

    Cassiem contributed to exactly 100% of the Bok points.

  • Comment 82, posted at 20.09.17 11:16:32 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 78) :

    There was one period of play once where 100% of his clearing kicks were charged down .

    @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 81) :

    If they are RPN, then possibly.

  • Comment 83, posted at 20.09.17 11:21:54 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 77) : Am I holding a gun to your head, and forcing you to read my posts? Just scroll on by, if my comments don’t appeal to you.

  • Comment 84, posted at 20.09.17 12:07:32 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 79) : :evil: Now you let the kitty out the bag!

  • Comment 85, posted at 20.09.17 12:08:12 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • The weak points from the Boks were the set pieces- tighthead is an issue as was the lineouts-i feel PSDT and Etzebeth should have continued with Mostert off the bench-his work rate helps when game is loose. Having a lock on the bench was braindead. Cassiem at 8 has flattered to deceive…need something different there. 9 is a problem too. And then for me the back 3 and especially the wings need so rethinking.

  • Comment 86, posted at 20.09.17 12:08:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 80) : Dancing Bear was lamenting the fact that JL was subbed, whilst Cassiem was conspicuous by his absence. I just said, that JL also didn’t exactly perform, so a moot point, as to who gets subbed. Bar the fact that Cassiem, is expected to play in a relatively new position, and at test level to boot. At least JL was picked in his preferred position.

  • Comment 87, posted at 20.09.17 12:10:24 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 86) : Agreed. Was however unfair of the coaches to play Cassiem out of position, and expect him to be an instant hit. Who else was available. Whitely out injured, Thormeulen injured. Carr, hasn’t performed any better than Cassiem at test level. Dan was an option, but wan’t given a run. Apart from those contenders, who should the boks have played under the circumstances?

  • Comment 88, posted at 20.09.17 12:55:35 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 87) : JL might not have had a great game, but atleast he played some decent rugby for certain periods. Cassiem was not even at the game…

  • Comment 89, posted at 20.09.17 13:01:13 by HeinF Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 88) : I think just that combo doesnt really gel and as you say i prefer Cassiem as a 7, he just lacks something at 8. I do think SA sides do better with more of a quicker/linking player at 8 than a bruiser. I think a guy like Van Der Walt is quite hard done by not getting a look in at the Bok 8th man role.

  • Comment 90, posted at 20.09.17 13:33:51 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 90) : Agreed, Ginger would definitely add value in any of the loose forward positions.

  • Comment 91, posted at 20.09.17 13:39:21 by Bump Reply

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  • @Bump (Comment 91) : As would a guy like Wiehan Herbst at tighthead

  • Comment 92, posted at 20.09.17 13:53:52 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 87) : Nope, DB was going on about the decision to to sub one of the players and not the other, yes he mentioned Cassiem but his post was actually about the person making the decisions as to who gets pulled an who plays on.

  • Comment 93, posted at 20.09.17 13:56:27 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 93) : Nobody here (or anywhere I know of) is claiming that Cassiem contributed more than JLDP in the match. Cassiem has carried a much heavier workload than JLDP who has benched for the Rugby Championships. Logic would dictate that if two loosies are not carrying the load and one has to be replaced, then replace the one that has had a heavier workload. It is as simple as that. Braindead decision to handle the subs the way they did and also to play 4 locks and only 3 loosies.

    @KingCheetah (Comment 88) : My friend, that is exactly the point, Dan was never given a chance and in fact was replaced by a lock when a loosie was injured and out for the season, so why was Dan in the squad at all? And now they want to bring in Louw. They are all over the place in their lack of planning.

  • Comment 94, posted at 20.09.17 14:19:49 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @HeinF (Comment 89) : So we will judge him on that single performance? vs. France he was one of the better looses on the park.

  • Comment 95, posted at 20.09.17 14:45:27 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 90) : @Dancing Bear (Comment 94) : Definitely agree. We tend to lambast the players, when the whole system is screwed. I would be stoked to see Ginger get a run at 8. Honest grafter, with good pace and skills. Good line out option too. Dan has also been hard done by, and all because the books have to be balanced, as subtle as possible.

  • Comment 96, posted at 20.09.17 14:48:34 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 95) : no, what I want is for the coach to read the game and react to that. Not saying drop Cassiem, but in the context of the match, he should rather have been subbed.

  • Comment 97, posted at 20.09.17 14:48:50 by HeinF Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 93) : Fair enough, my bad.

  • Comment 98, posted at 20.09.17 14:49:37 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 97) : Eish! Our esteemed coach can’t even read Twitter, never mind analyse a rugby match.

  • Comment 99, posted at 20.09.17 15:04:12 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 99) : Why he should read our comments during the match :mrgreen:

  • Comment 100, posted at 20.09.17 22:57:28 by HeinF Reply

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