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Former Sharks coaches on the move


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content on 3 Oct 2017 at 13:03
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Hearty congratulations are in order to two former Sharks coaches who have been appointed to international coaching roles.

Gary Gold, who was until recently the Sharks Director of Rugby (and de facto head coach) has been confirmed as the new head coach for the US Eagles national team, after a stint as director of rugby at the Worcester Warriors in the UK. Gold, strangely enough, moves into the role that was recently held by none other than John Mitchell, who is now coaching the Bulls in the Currie Cup and Super Rugby.

Another former Sharks coach, John Plumtree, has been confirmed as Japan’s new defence coach. After leaving Durban under a cloud some years back, Plumtree took his first steps into international coaching as Joe Schmidt’s assistant with the Irish national team, before moving back to his native New Zealand to act as Hurricanes assistant coach.

He’ll now move north to Japan to work alongside another Kiwi, new Japanese head coach Jamie Jospeh,

Good luck to both men with their new roles.



91 Comments

  • And to think Gold left the Sharks for a great opportunity in Cape Town.

  • Comment 1, posted at 03.10.17 13:11:30 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Plum is apparently only going to be helping the Japanese out for the year end games, he remains a Hurricanes coach.

  • Comment 2, posted at 03.10.17 13:14:07 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Some interesting movs indeed.

  • Comment 3, posted at 03.10.17 13:18:24 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 2) : I hope that is the case as I thought that seems like a backward move from the Hurricanes for him. Think Plum would be a good international coach and hope to see him control a tier 1 nation at some point in the future.

  • Comment 4, posted at 03.10.17 13:22:47 by Hulk Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 4) : Good for us as he definitely improved the hurricanes when he went there.

  • Comment 5, posted at 03.10.17 13:43:24 by Dunx Reply

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  • No wonder Gold is jumping the Worcester ship, as they likely to be relegated after this season.

  • Comment 6, posted at 03.10.17 14:27:59 by McLovin Reply

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  • Sharks couldn’t get rid of Gold fast enough, and now claim him with glee as a former coach getting an international appointment. The irony! Sharks should never have let Plum go, it started the slide to mediocrity in Sharks play and general skills. Think the Sharks could have been amazing with Plum as coach, under the leadership of Teich.

  • Comment 7, posted at 03.10.17 14:46:43 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 7) : Don’t know if I see any glee in congratulating a guy on landing an international job… I guess when you have Naka and co to look back on, you tend to get a bit bored

  • Comment 8, posted at 03.10.17 14:57:09 by Karl Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 7) : but now we have RdP Snr under Teich’s leadership. Now after all the storms and turmoil the ship is again sailing well and true!!! Anyway don’t look back rather look forwards and just acknowledge the people that was in your life no matter if it was for better or for worse!!!

  • Comment 9, posted at 03.10.17 15:28:55 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 9) : That much is true I guess.

  • Comment 10, posted at 03.10.17 15:36:02 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 2) : ah – I must have missed that bit. Thanks

  • Comment 11, posted at 03.10.17 15:38:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Karl (Comment 8) : Given the limited resource at his disposal, Naka did a good job. Naka had more success than quite a few Sharks coaches, and a very successful career as a player.
    Cheetahs budget for player recruitment is probably a third of that of the Sharks, and he still managed to keep them competitive.
    I would rather have had Naka than Gold any day of the week, including Sundays.

  • Comment 12, posted at 03.10.17 15:39:01 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 7) :
    Don’t be small-minded. Rob is simply wishing the guy well. No need to go full Kardashian on this.

    @KingCheetah (Comment 12) :
    Such a heart-rending tale of woe. :cry:

  • Comment 13, posted at 03.10.17 15:47:06 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 12) : Limited resources with the talent conveyor belt that is Grey College? If you guys had half decent talent management staff/scouting staff and your back office guys did some work to get sponsors you would have been able to keep some stars fresh out of high school and actually be competitive. I guess the nice thing about being a cheetahs fan is you can always play the victim when things don’t go your way, and when they eventually do, you can be smug about it…

  • Comment 14, posted at 03.10.17 16:09:52 by Karl Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 12) : Why limited resources – get more from your sponsor who Im sure is the biggest name sponsor of any franchise in South Africa and one of the biggest world brands.

  • Comment 15, posted at 03.10.17 16:43:21 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Ag no man. RIP Tom Petty.

  • Comment 16, posted at 03.10.17 16:47:32 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Karl (Comment 14) :
    “I guess the nice thing about being a cheetahs fan is you can always play the victim when things don’t go your way, and when they eventually do, you can be smug about it…”

    So much truth

  • Comment 17, posted at 03.10.17 16:54:08 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 10) : personally just glad they’re winning again!!!

  • Comment 18, posted at 03.10.17 18:26:21 by JD Reply
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  • Good luck, men! I wish you well…

  • Comment 19, posted at 03.10.17 19:41:58 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 16) : :sad:

  • Comment 20, posted at 03.10.17 19:42:25 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Thomas Du Toit called up into Bok squad for this weekends clash with the All Blacks, he joins the team on Wednesday morning.

  • Comment 21, posted at 03.10.17 21:07:59 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • http://www.sarugbymag.co.za/blog/details/bok-call-up-for-du-toit

  • Comment 22, posted at 03.10.17 21:09:59 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Karl (Comment 14) : do u c that Montpellier have signed some sort of deal where they r giving scholarships to Grey scholars to go to France for a couple of years?

  • Comment 23, posted at 03.10.17 22:26:21 by Julesgr8ter Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 21) : He deserves that!

  • Comment 24, posted at 03.10.17 23:14:17 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Julesgr8ter (Comment 23) : I heard something like that. Even if that’s the case though, FS rugby should put clauses in place for each youngster they produce giving them a kickback if they turn into first class players. They have more than enough talent churning out every year, but they still moan about the budget

  • Comment 25, posted at 04.10.17 00:14:07 by Karl Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 21) : Dan also called back. I wish this series was over already.

  • Comment 26, posted at 04.10.17 05:54:01 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 13) : :mrgreen: Apologies Rob

  • Comment 27, posted at 04.10.17 07:11:47 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 26) : And Rhule again shown the door, which he should not have been invited into in the first place. AC going the full monty with his human yo-yo-ing skills!

  • Comment 28, posted at 04.10.17 07:15:48 by Karl Reply

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  • @Karl (Comment 14) : Having the conveyer belt, and not being able to feed off it is two different matters entirely. You are clearly clueless about the factors that go into keeping players, so pointless engaging with you. Fact is the Cheetahs do very well with scouting talent. Players that don’t even get recognised by other unions get a chance at the Cheetahs, and become Springboks. Willie le Roux, Lood de Jager, Cornal Hendricks, and Cassiem, just mention a few recent ones. Facts are Bloem simply doesn’t have the population density to consistently fill the stadium, so already losing revenue there.
    I guess the nice thing about being a Sharks supporter is you can always be arrogant at the start of every season, and then blame the coach and every match official..

  • Comment 29, posted at 04.10.17 07:17:32 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 17) : Play nicely now :-)

  • Comment 30, posted at 04.10.17 07:17:53 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Julesgr8ter (Comment 23) : You haven’t read that article very well. The deal is that Grey College can offer scholarships to promising young players. In return Grey College offers French as an additional language and Montpellier employ a full time French Tutor for 5 years. Nothing stipulated that students go to France for a few [email protected]Karl (Comment 25) : Maybe do some research on the matter, before running off at the mouth. If Cheetahs rugby is that mismanaged, how come we are just about the only big union, that hasn’t been rumoured to be in financial strife. Avail yourself of the facts, and if you have a slight grasp of basic economics, and business acumen, you will understand the challenges the Cheetahs face.Its all about numbers man.

  • Comment 31, posted at 04.10.17 07:22:49 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 30) :
    :lol: ;-)

  • Comment 32, posted at 04.10.17 09:30:28 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Julesgr8ter (Comment 23) : Here is the details of the Montpellier deal with Grey College, for thise interested.
    Cape Town – French Top 14 club Montpellier have launched a unique scholarship programme at renowned Bloemfontein school Grey College.

    A donor, who is a confirmed international businessman who wishes to remain anonymous, initiated the Badawi Legacy Scholarship Programme, and through his association with Montpellier has involved the French club in the project.

    Grey College announced on their official website that the scholarship programme, to be launched soon, will make contributions in three areas at the school over the next five years, including the introduction of French as a voluntary subject from 2018 onwards.

    The programme has committed to make contributions to Grey College in three areas over the next five years:

    - It will fund the appointment, by Grey College, of a French Language teacher for a period of five years.

    - It is expected to provide funding support to at least 50 scholarship holders which translates into partial funding support of over 200 student years. Scholarships will be awarded to students on an unconditional basis and without recourse or any other obligation during, or post- study at Grey College.

    - The donor of the programme has secured a commitment from Montpellier Rugby Club in France to make available, to Grey College, resources including a commitment to sharing coaching methods and exchange programmes for rugby coaches.

    The scholarship programme to attend Grey College will be awarded on a means-tested basis to scholars who lack similar or readily available alternatives. Scholarship holders will demonstrate potential in leadership and/or academia, and particularly the sport of rugby.

  • Comment 33, posted at 04.10.17 09:42:37 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Karl (Comment 14) : Just another example of innovative ideas by Cheetahs to improve Cheetahs rugby. It kind of makes a mickery of your assertions. There is also deals with Toyota Verblitz to exchange players and coaching ideas.
    So Cheetahs do make every effort to counter their lack of funding compared to the bigger unions.
    I read somewhere that if the Cheetahs contracted a player like Brüssiw, the nett result is that financially they could then contract up to six players less in the greater squad. That is rather hectic.

  • Comment 34, posted at 04.10.17 09:48:57 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 34) : “Just another example of innovative ideas by Cheetahs to improve Cheetahs rugby”
    To me its an example of innovative ideas by Montpellier to improve Montpellier rugby……and to expose some poor French teacher to 5 years of living the high life in Bloemfontein. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 35, posted at 04.10.17 11:14:30 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 35) : Montpellier have enough Bloem boykies there. And yes, it is true that Bloem does have the hottest babes in SA.

    Free State boykies at Montpellier: Jannie and Bissie, Frans Steyn, Jan Serfontein, Henry Immelman and Ruan Pienaar. Other Saffas. Jacques du Plessis, Wiaan Liebenberg, Paul Willemse, and Nico Jv Rensburg.

  • Comment 36, posted at 04.10.17 11:44:32 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 36) : Im sure they see the great value in those players and thus this partnership with Grey Bloem – Im not sure its in the Free State Rugby Unions interest to unleash a group of 50 odd French speaking well coached youngsters into open rugby. My instinct tells me that many of those wont be hanging around Bloem for too long but would more likely be France bound.

  • Comment 37, posted at 04.10.17 11:53:45 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 31) : I never pretended to be an expert in any such matter. All I’m saying is there must be an avenue not yet explored and you the Cheetahs to either keep a percentage of the youngsters they lose annually, or at least gain financially from it. Think of a cheetahs academy from u14 where they could contract the guys from that young and make profits when they inevitably lose them at age 19

  • Comment 38, posted at 04.10.17 11:54:44 by Karl Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 31) : So no-one’s entitled to an opinion unless they have studied the facts thoroughly and are writing a thesis or the matter? What part of ‘read something like that’ did you not get? This is a FORUM where the lay person’s OPINION is laid bare in a conversation. Go change your tampon, Susan and stop getting so defensive

  • Comment 39, posted at 04.10.17 12:02:16 by Karl Reply

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  • Speaking of former Sharks- anyone see that Lambie is being lined up to play this weekend for Racing. With the End of Year Tour coming up and the Euro season in full swing could he push for one of the 3 flyhalf spots on that tour

  • Comment 40, posted at 04.10.17 12:16:19 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 40) : I suppose if Pollard can be selected after playing virtually no rugby then Lambie could be considered. He’s always done well in the NH.

  • Comment 41, posted at 04.10.17 12:26:05 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 41) : That is my thinking

  • Comment 42, posted at 04.10.17 12:29:11 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Karl (Comment 39) : That is quite mature man. Is that the best you’ve got? Resorting to foul insults when you run out of logical points. Really classy :evil:

  • Comment 43, posted at 04.10.17 12:42:46 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 40) : Still a lot of rugby to be played. So anything can happen If Lambie can remain injury free, can’t see why not. He has more than the 30 caps required to qualify.

  • Comment 44, posted at 04.10.17 12:44:02 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 44) : Not that much rugby from an SA perspective. One test vs All Blacks and then 3 CC games. So at most 4 for some players or the Bok contracted guys just 1. So not that much before end of year tour side announced

  • Comment 45, posted at 04.10.17 13:09:19 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Thread about former Sharks coaches but there’s the cheetah troll once more, insulting people and making it all about the sorrows of the cheetahs …….. :roll:

  • Comment 46, posted at 04.10.17 13:37:40 by Mephisto_Shark Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 45) : Ah yes that is also true. Unlike the Cheetahs and Kings that will be playing right through.

  • Comment 47, posted at 04.10.17 14:37:24 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Mephisto_Shark (Comment 46) : Maybe you should go read who is throwing insults around. Guess it will be too much objectivity for you.

  • Comment 48, posted at 04.10.17 14:38:15 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 47) : That does make things interesting. When 7s World Series starts do the Cheetahs lose their 7s guys? I cant see anyone from the Kings in the Bok picture. And from the Cheetahs…well Cassiem now injured, so maybe just Francois Venter…although i reckon Shaun Venter should be there too.

  • Comment 49, posted at 04.10.17 14:56:06 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 27) : ja watch it kolle ons hou jou dop!!! :twisted:

  • Comment 50, posted at 04.10.17 15:30:42 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 49) : I don’t see Venter being called up to be honest. He is in a rich vein of form, but he seems to flourish in the Cheetahs game plan. Think the sevens guys will go back, so we will lose Speckman, Dry and Afrika. But I reckon in the Pro 14 only real blow is Speckman.

    Mapimpi will be with Cheetahs till S15 starts I imagine. Also with the CC done, we will have more guys available, so we will be able to rotate better.

  • Comment 51, posted at 04.10.17 15:49:14 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 50) : Jy moet wyd kyk JD :grin:
    Steur my nie baie aan die jonger laaitjies wat so rammetjie uit nek raak nie. Hulle voel vris as hulle kan raas en skel :evil:

  • Comment 52, posted at 04.10.17 15:51:30 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 52) : hahaha jy weet mos! :twisted:
    @KingCheetah (Comment 51) : Speckman will be a huge loss! Mapimpi I’m still not sure great on attack but defense not so sure about. Maybe when Currie cup is over Cheetahs could sign a couple of guys from other non Super rugby unions to replace Mapimpi, Petersen, Rhule, Speckman and Mahoje that’s leaving.

  • Comment 53, posted at 04.10.17 16:59:48 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 53) : Think Mohoje is staying put. Heard he has signed for another 2 years. Maybe we can have Nkosi, seeing you guys want to piss him off :razz:
    Speckman is a loss. Don’t know of many out and out speedsters of this calibre. Maybe that Kyle Steyn youngster at Kwaste.

  • Comment 54, posted at 04.10.17 18:39:09 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 54) : sorry boet can’t see Nkosi going anywhere! Think Obi has lots of potential so better stick with him!

  • Comment 55, posted at 04.10.17 19:27:04 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 55) : Yes true. Obi Konobi does have potential. Sigh. Ok we will have Mapimpi back soon as he sees he wont score as many tries once AE us back at 12 :oops:

  • Comment 56, posted at 04.10.17 20:11:32 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 56) : geez but you’re really trolling today!!! :lol: To be 100% honest I really think Mapimpi is making a mistake if he’s moving to Durbs as I can’t see him getting the same game time he would have had if he stayed at the Cheetahs, unless van Wyk or Nkosi gets injured or decides to move.

  • Comment 57, posted at 04.10.17 21:11:27 by JD Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 54) : Who is pissing Nkosi off, how? Did I miss something? I thought he was getting plenty of game time.

  • Comment 58, posted at 05.10.17 06:46:52 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 57) : We could still use him in rotation, but Zas? He is going to wait even behind Mapimpi. I really think we ought to have spent the money better on positions that need it. Like TH and Lock.

  • Comment 59, posted at 05.10.17 06:49:36 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 57) : Not trolling, just yanking your chain. I think Mapimpi and Nkosi could be a deadly wing combo. I am sure van Wyk can play centre. If not surely there will be enough game time for all the wingers with such an arduous tournament.

  • Comment 60, posted at 05.10.17 07:21:30 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 58) : Nobody bud, just yanking the chain. He is a bright prospect. Together with Bas, Mapimpi and van Wyk, the Sharks have lots of speed and power in the back three.

  • Comment 61, posted at 05.10.17 07:22:33 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 61) : Mapimpi, Nkosi and van Wyk are all excellent wingers. If van Wyk can rediscover the form he had in SR, all three will push hard for a starting place, will be very difficult to choose between them. We have to remember when Mapimpi arrives, he would have been playing rugby for over a year, with a full season of SR still ahead. He will really need some time off. We have so many centres, can’t really see van Wyk playing there unless a lot of injuries strike. Our backline looks very healthy for next year. Didn’t Mapimpi sign for us while the cheetahs were still unsure where they would play next year? Think if there was more certainty, he probably would have been happy to stay with the cheetahs.

  • Comment 62, posted at 05.10.17 09:01:08 by HeinF Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 62) : Not quite sure when he signed. That said at this stage S15 would probably be better for his development/exposure. The Cheetahs will start benefitting from TV rights in Pro 14 soon, which will help with contracting and retaining players.

  • Comment 63, posted at 05.10.17 09:07:30 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 63) : Yep, there is lots of talent coming through that would want to play Pro14. I think it might take 2 or 3 seasons, but the Cheetahs should be able to put (and hold!) together a very good squad.

  • Comment 64, posted at 05.10.17 09:09:44 by HeinF Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 63) : Is the monetary return from Pro 14 TV rights more than from Super Rugby? If not then I cant see it making much difference to the contracting and retaining of players to what the situation has been till now. It actually needs to be more because you now have to effectively use and manage players for 2 “top” tier competitions simultaneously, add in Bok call ups and Japanese contracts and the situation just gets more complicated.

  • Comment 65, posted at 05.10.17 09:57:10 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 63) : @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 65) : Here’s my take on this: the Cheetahs should be placing pressure on SARU to institute proper player transfer fees. This would be a fee paid to the union over and above the buy-out of any contract currently in place. It would offer some form of redress for unions like the Cheetahs who seem to be SA’s favourite plundering ground but would also benefit unions who lose players to international clubs. Loyalty is, at least to a degree, an ill-suited concept to an environment where you make your livelihood and you have a limited window to do so. To me it then follows, that your club or union should benefit in a financial way for the coaching and medical resources it invested in you.

    Would be interested in other opinions on this.

  • Comment 66, posted at 05.10.17 10:51:26 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 65) : I have no idea. All I heard is that Pro14 revenue paid in pounds. Si already the minetary value in comparison is more. Basically, it is just this year that there is a signuficant iverlap.

  • Comment 67, posted at 05.10.17 11:25:32 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 66) : I do agree. Though getting SARU to do anything logical is a big ask.

  • Comment 68, posted at 05.10.17 11:26:18 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 66) :
    Saru can only enforce a transfer fee system on their own members, not on overseas clubs.

  • Comment 69, posted at 05.10.17 12:09:19 by fyndraai Reply
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  • This week is the last Bok game before the end of year tour. There is nothing on the line except perhaps regaining some pride although i cant see us winning. So should we not look to select the team that we hope to start the End of Year Tour? There are no Bok games and very little rugby between Sat and the first tour game. A bad NH tour will leave the Boks is a bad position again as was the case in 2016

  • Comment 70, posted at 05.10.17 12:31:07 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 69) : Surely there’s some creative ways to get around this for contracted player’s though? SARU and the SA unions could refuse to release players from their contracts without a transfer fee being paid. It does feel as though current contracts are currently rather meaningless as players are always given early releases anyway.

    I already anticipate some counter-arguments to this approach:
    1. World Rugby would throw their toys. It’s overdue that someone stands up to organisation for the sake of rugby’s though.
    2. Players would be more hesitant to sign SA contracts but it’s not like we’re keeping our best talent anyway. I reckon we give up some upfront pain for future gain. Maybe a percentage of the transfer fee could even go into the player’s pocket?

    I do realise this is all pie-in-the-sky stuff but it’s interesting to discuss at least.

  • Comment 71, posted at 05.10.17 12:36:09 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 66) :
    Employers paying medical expenses for work related injuries is hardly an investment. Any attempts to claw back such expenses will probably be illegal.

  • Comment 72, posted at 05.10.17 12:39:52 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 71) :
    Unions can pay sign on bonusses that has to be paid back in case of voluntary separation.
    It would have to be separate from normal salaries though and cannot in anyway be tied to medical expenses.
    Else there will have to be a cross border agreement and they will have to be careful not to violate any country’s anti-cartel laws.

  • Comment 73, posted at 05.10.17 12:51:52 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 59) : Zas is there as a fullback (where we are a lot thinner)…

  • Comment 74, posted at 05.10.17 13:35:17 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 72) : You’re not clawing them back directly though. It’s more a case of you recouping the costs of certain player-related expenses. It’s not like you’re going to add that sort of wording to a contract but it does provide some measure of comfort in cases like PSdT or even Lambie.

    @fyndraai (Comment 73) : Sign-on bonuses could be an elegant way to handle that yes.

    There’s probably a completely different direction we could take too. Break off formal ties with World Rugby and start a rebel league. Have some savvy business people running the show instead of administrators and see if that improves matters at all. There are downsides to that approach too but let’s be honest, rugby could use some fresh and innovative ideas even if some of them turn out to be failures.

  • Comment 75, posted at 05.10.17 13:38:04 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 31) : I hadn’t read any article, I had merely heard something on First XV which I was enquiring [email protected]KingCheetah (Comment 33) : thanks for clarifying

  • Comment 76, posted at 05.10.17 13:42:02 by Julesgr8ter Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 67) : Unless he Currie Cup or Pro14 are going to be moved to a different “time slot” we will have the same overlapping as seen this year. The Cheetahs have been significantly weakend for Currie Cup and being hammered twice by pretty poor Griquas side does not look good.

  • Comment 77, posted at 05.10.17 14:22:10 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Julesgr8ter (Comment 76) : You are welcome.

  • Comment 78, posted at 05.10.17 15:02:04 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 77) : Well with Super Rugby having less teams, it should be slightly shorter. So it’s quite feasible that the CC will be moved forward. I am sure SARU gave assurances that no significant overlapping will take place.

  • Comment 79, posted at 05.10.17 15:03:32 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 78) : wonder if Montpellier decided it took to long to teach Frans, Bissy and Jannie French so they decided to start teaching “new recruits” French whilst they’re still at school and eager to learn!? :twisted:

  • Comment 80, posted at 05.10.17 17:25:50 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 80) : He he, it is a distinct possibility. Think they can send some beautiful French ladies to Bloem too. That will further enhance the Cheetahs attraction.

  • Comment 81, posted at 06.10.17 07:03:57 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 79) : You have a lot of faith in SARU.

  • Comment 82, posted at 06.10.17 10:16:06 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 79) : There may be less teams, but each team will still play 16 matches and then the playoffs, starting with QF. So I don’t think they will be able to move the CC too much, Cheetahs will still be in the position where they have to field two teams most weekends. The good news about that is that fringe players can play some CC and stay matchfit for when they are needed.

  • Comment 83, posted at 06.10.17 10:41:39 by HeinF Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 74) : Makes more sense.

  • Comment 84, posted at 06.10.17 10:50:33 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 83) : Maybe SARU will still move the CC to accommodate the Pro 14. The “powerhouses” of SA Rugby, competing in the Super Rugby tournament, are better able to sustain bigger squads. :evil:

  • Comment 85, posted at 06.10.17 11:29:36 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 85) : And let the fans miss out on the spectacular rugby competition known as the Supersport Challenge? Never!

  • Comment 86, posted at 06.10.17 12:30:46 by HeinF Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 83) : @KingCheetah (Comment 85) : why not start the year with Currie cup, NZ Mitre 10, etc. and Rugby Champions. Then after the June break Super rugby can be played until the End of Year tours.

  • Comment 87, posted at 06.10.17 13:19:44 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 87) : The Pro 14 runs through till the end of May. The rugby calendar is very congested the world over. A conundrum, that I wonder how SARU will resolve.

  • Comment 88, posted at 06.10.17 14:48:05 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 75) :
    How about scrapping all the junior and B level contracts and using the freed up monies to contract a smaller group of better SR players for SR only.
    Concentrate resources on the income generating teams only.
    Let highschool leavers seek contracts in France and hire them back when they’re ready for SR.
    The current predicament of the Bulls should be evidence enough of the folly of trying to contract future stars.

  • Comment 89, posted at 07.10.17 00:18:48 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 89) : If they are good enough for SR they won’t be coming back.

  • Comment 90, posted at 07.10.17 08:41:33 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 90) :
    How good the ones are that come back will be directly proportional to the amount of money on offer. The idea is for unions to have a smaller and better group of contracted players, rather than the larger more mediocre groups they currently employ.

  • Comment 91, posted at 07.10.17 13:13:13 by fyndraai Reply
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