Richard Ferguson

EOYT 2017: Ireland vs South Africa


Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :End of Year Tour, Original Content, Springboks on 11 Nov 2017 at 15:00
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The Springboks kick off their tour of Europe with what is likely to be the toughest of the four matches against Ireland in Dublin.

The Boks will feel that 2017 was an improvement from 2016, but it was still below a standard that fans would be happy with. This tour is an ideal opportunity for Allister and his men to end off the year on a positive note and build on something for
next year.

It’s a year ago that this Ireland team beat a record breaking, unbeaten New Zealand team and I am sure they are licking their lips at the prospect of taking down another Southern Hemisphere team. This time they are playing in Dublin, their home crowd egging them on as well the small matter of the Irish being rather unhappy with the South Africans getting the RWC 2023 nomination.

The Boks have a bit of continuity from the Rugby Champs coming into this tour, with very few new faces in the squad. The big positive is the fact that Allister has some options at flyhalf to give Pollard an extended run after some positive showings, albeit limited, during the year so far.

Teams:

Ireland: 15 Rob Kearney, 14 Andrew Conway, 13 Robbie Henshaw, 12 Bundee Aki, 11 Jacob Stockdale, 10 Johnny Sexton, 9 Conor Murray, 8 Christiaan Stander, 7 Sean O’Brien, 6 Peter O’Mahony, 5 Devin Toner, 4 Iain Henderson, 3 Tadhg Furlong, 2 Rory Best (captain), 1 Cian Healy.
Replacements: 16 Rob Herring, 17 Dave Kilcoyne, 18 John Ryan, 19 James Ryan, 20 Rhys Ruddock, 21 Kieran Marmion, 22 Joey Carbery, 23 Darren Sweetnam.

South Africa: 15 Andries Coetzee, 14 Dillyn Leyds, 13 Jesse Kriel, 12 Damian de Allende, 11 Courtnall Skosan, 10 Elton Jantjies, 9 Ross Cronje, 8 Francois Louw, 7 Pieter-Steph du Toit, 6 Siya Kolisi, 5 Lood de Jager, 4 Eben Etzebeth (captain), 3 Coenie Oosthuizen, 2 Malcolm Marx, 1 Tendai Mtawarira.
Replacements: 16 Bongi Mbonambi, 17 Steven Kitshoff, 18 Wilco Louw, 19 Franco Mostert, 20 Uzair Cassiem, 21 Rudy Paige, 22 Handré Pollard, 23 Francois Venter.

Date: Saturday, November 11
Venue: Aviva Stadium, Dublin
Kick-off: 17.30 (19.30 South African time; 17.30 GMT)
Expected weather: Overcast with a  high of 9°C and a low of 4°C. No rain is forecast, which is a surprise.
Referee: Ben O’Keeffe (New Zealand)
Assistant referees: Wayne Barnes (England), Ian Davies (Wales)
TMO: David Grashoff (England)



212 Comments

  • Well I think if we can pull this one through we should be able to win the rest on tour – if we don’t fuck up against Italy again.

  • Comment 1, posted at 11.11.17 15:48:59 by Quintin Reply
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  • Going to be a hard game!

  • Comment 2, posted at 11.11.17 16:10:27 by JD Reply
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  • Boks by 20-23. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 3, posted at 11.11.17 16:31:39 by McLovin Reply

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  • I see that Germany is thumping Brazil today…and that another of our juniors is playing for them: Ayron Schramm. Rob, is he gone from us permanently like Marcel Coetzee to do this?
    By the way, both Ayron and Marcel have scored so far today…

  • Comment 4, posted at 11.11.17 16:41:19 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Quintin (Comment 1) : I doubt that will happen. They aren’t world class but they are a lot more together than they were last time. That should be a practice run for them.

  • Comment 5, posted at 11.11.17 16:57:52 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 5) : The boks I mean.

  • Comment 6, posted at 11.11.17 16:58:11 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Schramm scores a second and Germany leads 33-0 after 45 minutes…

  • Comment 7, posted at 11.11.17 17:02:12 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 4) : gone for good, I’m afraid. He left the Sharks a good year or more ago.

    The flank Jaco Otto also played for us as a junior

  • Comment 8, posted at 11.11.17 18:16:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 8) : The German Rugby Academy in Durban…
    Pity…he was a good player. Anyway, Germany is coming along nicely. Final score: 45-12…

  • Comment 9, posted at 11.11.17 19:26:19 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Coenie stuffed at the first contact…looks like a hamstring? Here comes the stretcher…well, that didn’t last a minute. Oh no…

  • Comment 10, posted at 11.11.17 19:35:31 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 10) : Think he did his knee in

  • Comment 11, posted at 11.11.17 19:37:17 by jdolivier Reply

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  • Scrum penalty against the Boks at the first scrum…

  • Comment 12, posted at 11.11.17 19:38:32 by pastorshark Reply
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  • 3-0 Ireland…

  • Comment 13, posted at 11.11.17 19:39:19 by pastorshark Reply
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  • SA tries to dominate Ireland in the scrum but Beast is pinged. Sexton kicks from halfway. 3-0 Ireland leads

  • Comment 14, posted at 11.11.17 19:39:51 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Ellendig kicks the ball away with a 4 man overlap

  • Comment 15, posted at 11.11.17 19:41:37 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • What in the hell was that De Allende!! Men over and he kicks it straight to the fullback. My word…

  • Comment 16, posted at 11.11.17 19:41:41 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Delemve just kicked with a 5 on 1 overlap

  • Comment 17, posted at 11.11.17 19:42:14 by byron Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 15) : What in the actual hell was he thinking?!?!

  • Comment 18, posted at 11.11.17 19:42:29 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @byron (Comment 17) : Brain dead…

  • Comment 19, posted at 11.11.17 19:43:14 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 18) : Vision aint his strong point

  • Comment 20, posted at 11.11.17 19:43:18 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 16) : Domeen die ellendig good sir, Domeen

  • Comment 21, posted at 11.11.17 19:43:19 by jdolivier Reply

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  • The combined rugby IQ of our centres is in single figures

  • Comment 22, posted at 11.11.17 19:44:30 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 22) : Divided by the crowd attendance

  • Comment 23, posted at 11.11.17 19:44:50 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 20) : @jdolivier (Comment 21) : In German you say: “Der Elender”…that translates as the abject or the aweful or the wretched. Pretty accurate language, this German…

  • Comment 24, posted at 11.11.17 19:46:46 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Second penalty conceded by the Boks at only the second scrum…

  • Comment 25, posted at 11.11.17 19:47:36 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Short arm awarded against us at the third scrum…

  • Comment 26, posted at 11.11.17 19:48:42 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 24) : Ellendig means the same in Afrikaans

  • Comment 27, posted at 11.11.17 19:48:49 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • So I think it is safe to say that we haven’t covered ourselves in glory in the first 15 minutes…

  • Comment 28, posted at 11.11.17 19:49:41 by pastorshark Reply
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  • We getting penalized out of the game at the moment.

  • Comment 29, posted at 11.11.17 19:49:54 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 27) : It’s a sign…

  • Comment 30, posted at 11.11.17 19:50:17 by pastorshark Reply
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  • 6-0. Irish slow poison starting to wear us down

  • Comment 31, posted at 11.11.17 19:50:33 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • 6-0 after 15 minutes…

  • Comment 32, posted at 11.11.17 19:50:39 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 29) : Ref has missed 3 of our knocks at ruck time, so he isn’t in favour of Ireland, coetzee is just a shitty coach

  • Comment 33, posted at 11.11.17 19:51:09 by jdolivier Reply

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  • Ai, so much kak…kak,kak, kak…

  • Comment 34, posted at 11.11.17 19:52:12 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Boks going nowhere with ball in hand. Marx only one getting momentum

  • Comment 35, posted at 11.11.17 19:52:43 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 35) : Time for some touch rugby tactics

  • Comment 36, posted at 11.11.17 19:54:11 by jdolivier Reply

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  • Irish backs making oodles of metres with ball in hand

  • Comment 37, posted at 11.11.17 19:54:41 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • That was a bit iffy by the ref…you can’t kick it in the ruck…but wasn’t it out of the ruck? Yes it was… :o

  • Comment 38, posted at 11.11.17 19:54:47 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @jdolivier (Comment 36) : Boks playing staan staan rugby

  • Comment 39, posted at 11.11.17 19:55:17 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 35) : The Boks are just nowhere…poorest 20 minutes of the season just about…

  • Comment 40, posted at 11.11.17 19:55:39 by pastorshark Reply
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  • 9-0

  • Comment 41, posted at 11.11.17 19:55:48 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • A ruck my ass

  • Comment 42, posted at 11.11.17 19:55:54 by byron Reply

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  • 9-0 after 20

  • Comment 43, posted at 11.11.17 19:55:56 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Great tackle, Skosaan…not…

  • Comment 44, posted at 11.11.17 19:56:57 by pastorshark Reply
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  • There has just been nothing good…as in at all…

  • Comment 45, posted at 11.11.17 19:57:46 by pastorshark Reply
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  • The kicking is rubbish, the scrums are rubbish, the accuracy, intensity, decision taking…all rubbish…

  • Comment 46, posted at 11.11.17 19:58:51 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Box kicks from the Boks are too deep.

  • Comment 47, posted at 11.11.17 19:59:46 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • I’m watching Wallabies Wales…muuuuuuch better rugby…

  • Comment 48, posted at 11.11.17 20:00:46 by pastorshark Reply
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  • What the jolly flip was that by Skosaan?!?!?! It’s just embarrassing!!!!

  • Comment 49, posted at 11.11.17 20:01:35 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Skosan fluffs a high ball and Conway scores in the corner

  • Comment 50, posted at 11.11.17 20:01:45 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • I’m out, this is plain useless. Jantjes and Cronje only do well with a dominant pack

  • Comment 51, posted at 11.11.17 20:02:02 by jdolivier Reply

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  • Try Ireland…

  • Comment 52, posted at 11.11.17 20:02:14 by pastorshark Reply
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  • This is starting to look like a rout coming

  • Comment 53, posted at 11.11.17 20:02:23 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • an irish knockon?
    And no maul penalty?

  • Comment 54, posted at 11.11.17 20:02:34 by byron Reply

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  • 14-0

  • Comment 55, posted at 11.11.17 20:03:08 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 51) : Doing well is very relative!

  • Comment 56, posted at 11.11.17 20:03:28 by pastorshark Reply
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  • 14-0 after 27 minutes

  • Comment 57, posted at 11.11.17 20:04:05 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Toetie could have selected Frans as his overseas player but he went for Louw?

  • Comment 58, posted at 11.11.17 20:04:41 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @byron (Comment 54) : It’s all nothing less than we deserve…we are just nowhere…

  • Comment 59, posted at 11.11.17 20:04:59 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 56) : The implication is that they are not the answer. Without their lions pack they are not even Currie cup standard

  • Comment 60, posted at 11.11.17 20:05:14 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 58) : He doesn’t need Frans if he has der Elender!

  • Comment 61, posted at 11.11.17 20:06:13 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @jdolivier (Comment 60) : Yeah, I know…I’m just being facetious…sorry…I’m very disappointed with what I’m seeing…

  • Comment 62, posted at 11.11.17 20:07:30 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 59) : geez ref .. side entry … high tackle offside?

  • Comment 63, posted at 11.11.17 20:10:13 by byron Reply

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  • Bash, bash, bash, bash, bash, turnover penalty…
    Very creative…

  • Comment 64, posted at 11.11.17 20:10:22 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Boks play bonehead easy to defend rugby and eventually Stander wins the penalty for Ireland.

  • Comment 65, posted at 11.11.17 20:10:43 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Ohhhh my woooooord!

  • Comment 66, posted at 11.11.17 20:11:44 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 62) : How fucking stupid are our players, if you are alone on the ground, which happens every second run, don’t hold on. The turn over hurts less than the penalty

  • Comment 67, posted at 11.11.17 20:12:07 by jdolivier Reply

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  • Boks just very uncomfortable with ball in hand

  • Comment 68, posted at 11.11.17 20:12:36 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Coetzee’s backline is an Achilles heel…safe to say?

  • Comment 69, posted at 11.11.17 20:13:12 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Great another duck on the way.

  • Comment 70, posted at 11.11.17 20:13:30 by Poisy Reply
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  • 14-0 after 35

  • Comment 71, posted at 11.11.17 20:13:32 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 70) : It is terrible…

  • Comment 72, posted at 11.11.17 20:13:56 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Murray’s box kicks are just on the ticky

  • Comment 73, posted at 11.11.17 20:14:48 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 69) : Am at inside would’ve kept the irish guessing, but no let’s pick a dumbass that can’t pass himself out of a paper box

  • Comment 74, posted at 11.11.17 20:15:14 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 70) : It was almost better to see us being dismantled by the,All Blacks…

  • Comment 75, posted at 11.11.17 20:15:16 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Now our scrum is destroyed…

  • Comment 76, posted at 11.11.17 20:16:20 by pastorshark Reply
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  • That was a painful half to watch…

  • Comment 77, posted at 11.11.17 20:19:17 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Geez ref … how can you allow a player to shove another infront of you and do nothing?

  • Comment 78, posted at 11.11.17 20:19:31 by byron Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 77) : not watching anymore. Will rather read updates here before I lose my mind

  • Comment 79, posted at 11.11.17 20:20:45 by Poisy Reply
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  • I was expecting Ireland by 8 but I will have to revise.

  • Comment 80, posted at 11.11.17 20:21:41 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • At this rate even Georgia can give us a run for our money. Bye bye world cup play offs

  • Comment 81, posted at 11.11.17 20:22:10 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 80) : I’ll have whatever you were smoking. Please and thank you

  • Comment 82, posted at 11.11.17 20:23:20 by Poisy Reply
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  • Imagine if Toeties love child passed when he kicked – game could have looked a lot different now

  • Comment 83, posted at 11.11.17 20:23:23 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 83) : Imagine there was urgency and pride on the field, Ireland are really not playing well, the boks are just that shit

  • Comment 84, posted at 11.11.17 20:24:37 by jdolivier Reply

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  • After the superrugby series and the Currie cup, how can allister coetzee honestly think this squad is the best in the country

  • Comment 85, posted at 11.11.17 20:25:43 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 84) : imagine Samoa running at that defence of ours

  • Comment 86, posted at 11.11.17 20:25:45 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 82) : Don’t know what I was thinking. Thought our forwards would at least be competitive

  • Comment 87, posted at 11.11.17 20:25:51 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 86) : The Japan massacre comes to mind

  • Comment 88, posted at 11.11.17 20:26:39 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 85) : even if he picked the best, he can’t implement the game plan as he doesn’t have the personnel in terms of coaching

  • Comment 89, posted at 11.11.17 20:27:50 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 89) : This is a team that look like they have never played together before. If we had better players even a barbarians approach would work better

  • Comment 90, posted at 11.11.17 20:30:00 by jdolivier Reply

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  • Our backline must be the worst of the top 10 rugby countries

  • Comment 91, posted at 11.11.17 20:31:01 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • EOYT use to be about blooding in youngsters bur now it’s about salvaging pride.

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 91) : You insult poor Namibia and Georgia

  • Comment 93, posted at 11.11.17 20:32:05 by jdolivier Reply

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  • I can”t say I am disappointed in our backs as I did not expect much from them. But I did expect a lot more from our forwards

  • Comment 94, posted at 11.11.17 20:38:09 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 84) : That’s a bit too much of a stretch for me to imagine at this stage…

  • Comment 95, posted at 11.11.17 20:39:11 by pastorshark Reply
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  • If only we can get players running onto the ball

  • Comment 96, posted at 11.11.17 20:39:46 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • 14-3

  • Comment 97, posted at 11.11.17 20:40:27 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 92) : If it’s about salvaging pride we’re not doing a good job of that either…

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 95) : Where is Schreuder and Am, we need urgency and balls

  • Comment 99, posted at 11.11.17 20:41:35 by jdolivier Reply

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  • Anyone watching glimpses of the Wales/Aus game? Aussies streets ahead of us…

  • Comment 100, posted at 11.11.17 20:43:39 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Yawn…

  • Comment 101, posted at 11.11.17 20:45:57 by pastorshark Reply
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  • This is…atrocious…

  • Comment 102, posted at 11.11.17 20:49:03 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Guess Boks play staan staan rugby because the can’t catch a ball at pace

  • Comment 103, posted at 11.11.17 20:50:00 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Wow that was creative…telegraphed from 7.2 miles away…
    I think I’ve actually had enough of this…those few phases have drained me of all hope…

  • Comment 104, posted at 11.11.17 20:51:00 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 103) : 2d game in a 3d sport

  • Comment 105, posted at 11.11.17 20:52:25 by jdolivier Reply

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  • Wales/Aus is on another planet compared to the Boks…

  • Comment 106, posted at 11.11.17 20:52:36 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Intelligence is not in great supply in this Bok team.

  • Comment 107, posted at 11.11.17 20:52:56 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • 17-3

  • Comment 108, posted at 11.11.17 20:53:51 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • 17-3…is AC going to make some changes?

  • Comment 109, posted at 11.11.17 20:54:16 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Pollard replaces Jantjies and Venter Ellendig.

  • Comment 110, posted at 11.11.17 20:55:11 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 107) : No intelligence, no passion, no creativity…the list goes on. I am actually just disillusioned…

  • Comment 111, posted at 11.11.17 20:55:24 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 110) : Sanity prevails

  • Comment 112, posted at 11.11.17 20:57:21 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 111) : You could never accuse the Boks of intelligence and creativity. But lack of passion is a bit disappointing

  • Comment 113, posted at 11.11.17 20:57:42 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • It is just embarrassing…

  • Comment 114, posted at 11.11.17 21:00:27 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 113) : There is just nothing tonight…look at them…absolutely nothing…I haven’t been this disappointed in a long time…

  • Comment 115, posted at 11.11.17 21:01:38 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 115) : There are days like this when I actually enjoy having no Dstv, and a horse shit internet connection :evil:
    Saves me from ruining a good day.

  • Comment 116, posted at 11.11.17 21:03:13 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • Have we won any box kick – theirs or ours?

  • Comment 117, posted at 11.11.17 21:05:40 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Yaaaawn

  • Comment 118, posted at 11.11.17 21:06:36 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 116) : I wish I was in your fortunate position… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 119, posted at 11.11.17 21:08:01 by pastorshark Reply
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  • France should fancy their chances to get some decent revenge. And Ireland scores another try

  • Comment 120, posted at 11.11.17 21:11:08 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • My player ratings:
    15. Coetzee 0
    14. Leyds 0
    13. Kriel 0
    12. De Allende -10
    11. Skosaan 0
    10. Jantjies 0
    9. Cronje 0
    8. Louw 0
    7. PSdT 0
    6. Kolisi 0
    5. De Jager 0
    4. Etzebeth 0
    3. Coenie 1 (my Bok man of the match…when you play less than a minute at least you can’t cock up like the rest of them)
    2. Marx 0
    1. Beast 0

  • Comment 121, posted at 11.11.17 21:11:36 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Why is south Africa the only country in the world where the rugby players can’t adapt to any other game plan besides bash and bash

  • Comment 122, posted at 11.11.17 21:11:58 by jdolivier Reply

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  • 24-3. Must be a record Irish margin

  • Comment 123, posted at 11.11.17 21:12:17 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Em…bar…rasssss…ing…

  • Comment 124, posted at 11.11.17 21:12:37 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Stander creaming the men from his country of birth

  • Comment 125, posted at 11.11.17 21:14:07 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 123) : This must be the worst, blandest, most pathetic Bok performance ever? Not one moment of anything in the whole game…

  • Comment 126, posted at 11.11.17 21:14:16 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 125) : Must be so glad he decided to move up north

  • Comment 127, posted at 11.11.17 21:14:59 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 121) : Maybe I was a bit kind on some of these guys…

  • Comment 128, posted at 11.11.17 21:15:29 by pastorshark Reply
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  • This is supposedly the best scrumming front row in SA and Ireland murders us

  • Comment 129, posted at 11.11.17 21:16:35 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • And another Irish try. This is getting really bad now

  • Comment 130, posted at 11.11.17 21:17:23 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • And Toetie clocks up another record. 31-3

  • Comment 131, posted at 11.11.17 21:18:09 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • How much further must a once proud rugby nation plummet before they fire Allister Coetzee. No plan, no skills, no heart. At least P divvy got the players to be a team

  • Comment 132, posted at 11.11.17 21:19:07 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 129) : In RSA they are protected by the referee, they’re in the real world now

  • Comment 133, posted at 11.11.17 21:19:44 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 132) : SA is finished as a rugby nation.

  • Comment 134, posted at 11.11.17 21:20:02 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 134) : Just one idiot to fire and things will rectify.

  • Comment 135, posted at 11.11.17 21:21:17 by jdolivier Reply

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  • Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha…aaaaahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Did you see that? What a joke in the centres…and then punished by Ireland. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

  • Comment 136, posted at 11.11.17 21:21:36 by pastorshark Reply
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  • 38-3

  • Comment 137, posted at 11.11.17 21:22:49 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 135) : Firing the idiot will help a bit but we do not have any world class players left in SA.

  • Comment 138, posted at 11.11.17 21:24:01 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • That was far worse than the thumping by the All Blacks…

  • Comment 139, posted at 11.11.17 21:25:45 by pastorshark Reply
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  • What a disgraceful performance by the springboks, time to call a spade a spade and say AC is a politically appointed coach who is out of depth and has political requirements

  • Comment 140, posted at 11.11.17 21:26:19 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • Danger signs as Italy looms…

  • Comment 141, posted at 11.11.17 21:26:39 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 138) : And more importantly we have no world class coaches left in SA

  • Comment 142, posted at 11.11.17 21:27:50 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Put the Supersport panel out there and we will improve 700%…

  • Comment 143, posted at 11.11.17 21:27:52 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 141) : Not going to win a single game on this tour

  • Comment 144, posted at 11.11.17 21:28:17 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 138) : You recieve decent talent You make players world class players. Firing the idiot and his clowns will definitely be the starting point. I had Iteland by 7 I underestimated Alice Coetzee ‘ s hopeless and utter incompetence. Brendan Venter will now tell us everything is A OK and we should stop watching. …I thing he and his boss should stop sniffing each other’s arseholes and START watching….

  • Comment 145, posted at 11.11.17 21:31:16 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Low, low, low point…
    Goodbye…

  • Comment 146, posted at 11.11.17 21:31:52 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 145) : Sorry my autocomplete is going apeshit. …but you get my point.

  • Comment 147, posted at 11.11.17 21:33:18 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 138) : Ox, mapimpi, am, the 3 du preez boys, odendaal, nkosi, kobus van wyk, damian willemse, ruan botha, schickerling, akker, cam Wright, schreuder, ginger. The list goes on, they perform very well in superrugby against world class players, but the buddy system employed by coetzee is the damaging factor. In no way should kriel and Domeen be on the field, neither leyds or Paige

  • Comment 148, posted at 11.11.17 21:43:09 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 148) : Forget it no matter what players you give him he will manage to get the worst performance.

  • Comment 149, posted at 11.11.17 21:50:15 by coolfusion Reply

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  • My only consolidation is that after the idiots at SARU eventually get tired of the serious rugby administrations (not the turd convention south africa has governing it’s rugby) laughing at them Alister will probably never get to coach a first tier country again. Which is great for the game of rugby. Maybe he can take Brendan Venter with him into obscurity.

  • Comment 150, posted at 11.11.17 21:56:51 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 148) : Plenty of raw talent in SA but we don’t have the coaching to develop them further

  • Comment 151, posted at 11.11.17 22:01:38 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Shoulder to shoulder…. Well done, my Irish lads!

  • Comment 152, posted at 11.11.17 22:10:08 by Karl Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 151) : 100% with you on that

  • Comment 153, posted at 11.11.17 22:13:07 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 149) : I fear you are correct

  • Comment 154, posted at 11.11.17 22:13:49 by jdolivier Reply

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  • And then the All Blacks are just in a completely different universe to us…

  • Comment 155, posted at 11.11.17 22:20:33 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 155) : You can say that again…they make it look so easy…skill level insane

  • Comment 156, posted at 11.11.17 22:25:45 by DuToit04 Reply

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  • It’s really sad when it comes to this, but I’m at the point of wanting the springboks to get massive hidings for the rest of the tour, including losing to Italy in the slight chance that AC and his crew of misfits get fired

  • Comment 157, posted at 11.11.17 22:38:54 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 146) : think even Fiji will beat this current bok team!!

  • Comment 158, posted at 11.11.17 23:14:15 by JD Reply
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  • At the current rate of decline the only way bokke will reach the 2023 world cup is if we host it!!!

  • Comment 159, posted at 11.11.17 23:25:13 by JD Reply
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  • @jdolivier (Comment 148) : I dont have any faith in alister, proudfoot, venter, Brendan etc etc. they need to go now. and a bunch of players need to ship out, any of the players you mentioned should be drafted in, in addition too Carr, Notshe, Gelant etc

  • Comment 160, posted at 11.11.17 23:30:20 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 160) : Ulengo, ismaeil……so many underrated players

  • Comment 161, posted at 12.11.17 00:00:12 by jdolivier Reply

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  • I’m afraid what we’ve done is let what is deemed “acceptable” play slip so low that should we not correct this soon the Boks are going to start looking like Bafana. Once upon a time losing to Ireland was almost unacceptable and now it’s expected. If I had my way I’d fire AC and co now. Then go have a chat with Nick Mallet. Get him on board, just until after WC 2019. He can run and choose the team. No interference. All we want is a nonsense, high expectations coach who can drill a team.

    The saddest part of yesterday’s game is 3 years ago this entire site would be blown up with all the fucks and shits but now we’re making jokes about how crap we are. We as a supporter base are so disillusioned we actually don’t care anymore. We’re starting to accept this mediocrity and that’s because we’ve been shown by the players and coaches we have nothing else to offer. Can you imagine John Smits team with Matfield, bakkies, du Preez etc accept this poor excuse of a coach and game plan. I think not. This dressing room needs to stand up and say you’ve lost us, we’re taking matters in our own hands. Much like England at the 2007 WC did, but alas I feel the players just don’t have the balls to do that and we’ll see this shit continue. It’s a sad day for Bok rugby and don’t know if we will ever be able to recover what we’ve lost. Even if we become competitive again that fear and respect from the North is well and truly lost.

  • Comment 162, posted at 12.11.17 07:55:03 by Hulk Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 162) : dressing room will never revolt against him as he’s the only reason most of them is there!!! At least 6-8 of the starting team should not even be on tour with a bokke team let alone starting a test so why would they revolt against the man that’s giving them such nice paydays!!!
    As for laughing about how s&%£ the team is what else must we do crying and bitching will do nothing as the people that appointed this wonderful coach is just as clueless!!! Rugby has not been the first priority of SA rugby for a while! Money and own interests is the only thing that matters for most of the people that “run” SA rugby!!!

  • Comment 163, posted at 12.11.17 12:30:52 by JD Reply
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  • Oosthuizen was put back too soon. AC and Co doing what they do best. Wreck players on their lost cause coaching.

  • Comment 164, posted at 12.11.17 12:31:59 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Well according to AC and Brendan’s previous comments boks are on right track. Too bad they didn’t specify what destination that track leads to….

  • Comment 165, posted at 12.11.17 13:08:48 by coolfusion Reply

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  • 1 Thomas the tank 2. Malcolm Marx 3. Ox Ntche 4. KD Schickerling 5. Ruan Botha 6. Kwagga Smith 7. Jean-luc Du Preez 8. Ginger 9. Louis Schreuder 10. Rob du preez Jr 11. Sbu Nkosi 12. Burger Odendaal 13. Lukhanyo Am 14 mapimpi 15. Warrick Gelant 16 akker van Der merwe 17. Vincent Koch 18. Tyler Paul 19. Cameron Wright 20. Rohan jvr 21. Kobus van wyk 22. Beast Mtawarira 23. Damian willemse. Will bet my house this team beats the current bok line-up

  • Comment 166, posted at 12.11.17 14:19:13 by jdolivier Reply

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  • The springboks of Delville wood must be rolling in their graves thinking at how low the springbok emblem has fallen…. where is the pride @JD (Comment 163) : who would you say.those 6 to 8 players are?

  • Comment 167, posted at 12.11.17 15:07:16 by byron Reply

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  • The saddest thing about this whole debacle is that will inevitably turn into an acrimonious racial conflict quickly dividing the supporters into anti Allister racist and pro South African apologists.
    The reality is that its the furthest thing from the truth.
    Race has nothig to do do with the demise of this appalling team.In as much as race had nothing to do with the phenomenally successful 7′s team.
    Coetzee would be a shit coach unable to coach and motivate men no matter what color he was.Eddie Jones is not a good coach because he is mixed blood, he is a brilliant coach because that is what he is, not half Japanese but a brilliant coach.
    Too often in this country we so called enlightened white South African are blinded by political correctness, and are as bad as the unenlightened in calling the situation.
    We lost this game as much on the field as off the field in the planning stages.
    We lost this game because we had a poor white, excuse totally unable to see past his own performance ,captain.He did about as much to motivate his men as Jacob Zuma.We lost this game because we had a confused and troubled boy dictating play at 10,who has proved time and again that he can only shine in winning team. and falls apart at the slightest hint of losing.
    We played guy at 6 who was inevitabley set up for failure by being constantly racially hyped way above his level of competence.Our back three wouldn’t make it into a second string Sharks sideband 12/13 have been the longest experiment in sheer mediocrity in Springbok history.
    But while everyone is on Coetzee case and rightfully so, please don’t forget Brendan Venter and ”who ate all the pies”Proudfoot,
    Any one who has been following the game for more than a couple of years will know that these two are the real power in the Bok camp, and if they refuse to take responsibility for this debacle then they are cowards hiding their over inflated salaries behind Inept Alistar.
    The whole Bok camp looks like a miserable cess pit of incompetence.
    We need a Trumplike coach to come in and drain the swamp.
    My suggestion is that we look to the Antipodeans for a coach of color ,but pick him first for his rugby brain and secondly for his racial acceptability,and give him the same freedom as England gave Jones,to save our wonderful rugby heiritage .
    We need someone to come in here to unite us who has no political, racial or provincial baggage,that can only be an outsider.

  • Comment 168, posted at 12.11.17 15:36:55 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 168) : with that criteria, Jamie Joseph springs to mind but he’s coaching Japan. Dave Rennie?

  • Comment 169, posted at 12.11.17 15:56:10 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • @RuckingFun (Comment 169) : Good place to start, thinking along lines o fwhat SA cricket are already doing with Otis Gibson.

  • Comment 170, posted at 12.11.17 16:07:45 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 170) : What about Robbie Deans? He doesn’t seem to be doing much other than coaching the Baabaas.

  • Comment 171, posted at 12.11.17 16:33:14 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @RuckingFun (Comment 169) : Rennie already declined to get involved. Most reputable coaches won’t touch this job with a barge pole, at the moment. Can you imagine staking your reputation on something AC and his pretender coaching staff have stuffed up so badly?

  • Comment 172, posted at 12.11.17 16:54:26 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 172) : According to times live that is.

  • Comment 173, posted at 12.11.17 16:57:46 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 173) : Also the citizen. ..

  • Comment 174, posted at 12.11.17 16:59:20 by coolfusion Reply

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  • The only reason AC is in a job is because of a weak contract. If he quits he still gets paid by cash strapped SARU. My question is this if we as one of the largest rugby watching audiences stop watching per Mr Brendan Venter ‘ s suggestions how big will that loss seem in comparison. Too bad we don’t have that kind of solidarity to save our dying SA rugby.

  • Comment 175, posted at 12.11.17 17:03:27 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 168) :

    Tremendous plan, the best. Believe you me!
    We’ll win so much that we’ll get tired of winning and beg the coach to please stop.
    Our defense will be a wall, you’ll be able to see it from space and we’ll make Ireland pay for it.
    And the crowds, the crowds will be the largests rugby crowds in the history of the world and if at any point the facts of reality say different, we could just visualize a set of alternative facts.

  • Comment 176, posted at 12.11.17 17:19:04 by fyndraai Reply
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  • Everyone make valid points, however apart from all that, I think it was the Irish coach that actually nailed it. We are beginning to feel the effects of a massive player exodus. Consider the sheer number of good players that are not playing in Super rugby anymore. The supposed elite pool that we should select from.
    Props: Heinke vd Merwe, Kevin Buys, Buckle, Schonert, Marcel vd Merwe, Vincent Koch, Ollie Kebble, Wian du Preez, Werner Kruger, Dean Greyling, Mujati, Adriaanse, Jannie, Brok Harris, Danie Minnie, Maks van Dyk, Pat Cilliers
    Hkr: Bissie, Brits, Deon Fourie, Ashley Johnson, Jeneker, Kyle Cooper,
    Locks. Juandre Kruger, Bulbring, Jeandre Marais, Peet Marais, Jacques du Plessis, George Earle, Gerbrandt Grobler, Jean Kleyn,Roodt, Bekker, Irne Herbst, van der Sluys, Ettienne Oosthuisen, Franco vd Merwe, Landman, Willemse, Sykes
    Flanks: Coetzee, Brüssow, Deysel, Fenton-Wells van Velze, Johan Meyer, Michael Rhodes, Schalk Burger, Ruan Ackerman, Cloete, Willem Alberts, Vermeulen, Gerhard Vosloo
    SH: Reinach, Sarel Pretorius, Mc Leod, Pienaar, Faf, Groom, Hougaard, James Hall
    FH: Lionel Cronje, Lambie, Catrakilis, BrandonThompson, Morne Steyn
    Wings: JJ Engelbrecht, Hanno Dirksen, JP, Habana, Mjekevu
    Centre: Robert Ebersohn, Ludik, Pat Howard, Frans Steyn, Johan Sadie, Meyer Bosman, Paul Jordaan, Jan Serfontein, Taute,
    Wynand Olivier, Jarryd Sage
    FB: Kolbe, Le Roux, Bevin Fortuin, SP Marais, Kirchner, Riaan Viljoen

    I am sure we can still add to this list. Some may not add value, but it is still a damn lot of players. There are others, that I haven’t even listed. Like Petrus du Plessis. Some were not rayed here, but are playing well in Europe

  • Comment 177, posted at 12.11.17 17:23:38 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • IMO we have two issues in Bok rugby:
    1) The coaching team is firstly not selecting the best players, and secondly not choosing tactics that suit the players.

    2) The quality of the available pool is mostly not up to standard. Due to players leaving for Europe in their lower / mid twenties we are left with a pool of mostly mediocre plus some raw talent. The problem is that due to poor coaching the raw talent is not developing as they should. How many of the players eligible for the Boks would walk into a All Black team or even an England team? Marx may make the bench – I can’t think of anyone else who would

    In our 2007 team a Du Plessis, Matfield, Botha, Smith, Du Preez, Steyn, Fourie and Habana were world class players who would be welcomed in any top tier team. The rest of the team were more than solid players.

    Now compare that with the class of 2017

  • Comment 178, posted at 12.11.17 17:44:47 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 176) : That was a pretty good Donald impersonation there. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 179, posted at 12.11.17 17:45:52 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 177) : I also wonder if young players graduate to the big shows too soon. I accept that there are some exceptional players who are ready early but it seems like the norm these days that guys get to play big leagues way before they have paid their dues. Naas made a comment that the international players these days can’t even pass or catch(I want to add defend). So many basic skills that should have been honed by the time you get to wear big boy pants are still lacking. I understand loss to international clubs and some utter desperation by unions to fill gaps. But what kind of quality is making the grade these days? Jantjies de Allende etc. Yes they were good for a season or so but in the old days that was not enough qualification. I include Bosch too which is why I say these guys have to be asessed for a longer period before being thrown in. Youngsters are good but you risk a lot not only in team performance but too much too soon could stunt them early. Imagine if ellendig learned distribution (basic skill) or Curwin had perfected his defense…These guys have developed abnormally and assymetrically and now face players not necessarily better but better rounded off.

  • Comment 180, posted at 12.11.17 17:49:34 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 180) : That too, but really good players stay good, even ghough they started young. Look at Naas, Juba, F duP, And Juan Smith. Schalk too. If we look at players that we lost, that are now playing test rugby for other countries the list gets worse.
    WP Nel, Josh Strauss, Cornell du Preez, CJ Stander, Rob Herring, Quinn Roux, Richardt Strauss, and a few for France, like Spedding and Bernard Le Roux

  • Comment 181, posted at 12.11.17 18:10:23 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 181) : I’m not disagreed. But how to fix the problem? We can’t stop efflux. But we can and should make buying out contracts difficult or at least a little unpalatable. Not only in huge buyout penalties but also compulsory international duty for a set time. Yes not everyone gets a bok contract but has anyone even spent time to introduce options and secondment? As it is everyone is just picking our fields clean with the greatest of ease. But SARU too useless to even try and adress this.

  • Comment 182, posted at 12.11.17 18:19:48 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 182) : Yes I don’t know what the contractual obligations are. I just typed a response to someone on a another site with regards to the expected requirements for players of colour in the bok team. The problem comes in when such players are off form, or not suited to a game plan. This is more the damage that gets done by these bizarre expectations. There must be an element if dissension or mistrust as result. In other teams there is a clear unity in approach, and everyone is focussed on the same goals. The boks are clearly not a team, more a collective of individuals.

  • Comment 183, posted at 12.11.17 18:36:08 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @byron (Comment 167) : take note this is my personal oppinion and not based on facts: in the starting team Lood, Louw, DdA, Kriel should definitely not be on tour. Ross, Elton, Skosan and Coetzee are 50/50 as in winning teams they’re awesome but in struggling sides they fall apart.
    I know some people will freak out but hey that’s how I look at it.

  • Comment 184, posted at 12.11.17 20:14:01 by JD Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 168) : @RuckingFun (Comment 169) : @Dancing Bear (Comment 171) : @coolfusion (Comment 172) : like cool said the problem is that no top coach would touch the job with a 10km pole! And can we really blame them! SA rugby must first fix their problems in house and start prioritizing rugby ans not all their other agendas!

  • Comment 185, posted at 12.11.17 20:23:24 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 184) : i’ll throw in a controversial one because he has been playing well. Kolisi … if the likes of coetzee, brussow, burger etc were still available and politics were removed … do you think he would even make it into a 40 man squad? The answer would probably be No … this is the problem with springbok rugby at the moment.
    This is a player performing well. It isnt hard to see why other players are poor at the moment

  • Comment 186, posted at 12.11.17 21:30:00 by byron Reply

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  • @byron (Comment 186) : What makes nearly all the arguments above bullshit is the 7′s team they were world champions this year.Why can they do it and the 15 man code can’t.
    Because the best man is coaching the team and the best players are selected, and more than 50% of the stars are not white rugby players from the top 5 rugby schools in South Africa.
    Take that winning recipe and replace the losing culture we have with it.
    Because we don’t have a 15′s Neil Powell take a leaf out of other country’s in the same position.
    Ireland,Wales,Scotland,England all have foreign born coaches, because the home grown ones are second rate, everyone of those teams have benefitted from it.

  • Comment 187, posted at 12.11.17 22:41:28 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 187) : Totally agree with you here. It’s bs saying the players aren’t good enough. 7′s team is awesome, cricket doing great as well, the right players aren’t being selected and the coach is way out of is depth. What pisses me off the most is that AC and his coaching staff(Brendan etc) are’t taking any responsibility. They are delusional(especially AC) and cowardice is their middle name.

  • Comment 188, posted at 13.11.17 08:26:01 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 188) : You’re wrong according to AC they are taking responsibility “as a group” which inldudes all the players, remember this is a master at flying under the radar and hiding behind “the group”.

  • Comment 189, posted at 13.11.17 08:38:35 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Its all been said in the above comments.

    SARU must now wake up smell the coffee before its too late, they are going to lose their fan base, its happening very quicly as well and once its gone I doubt it will be “got back again”. I personally dont mind losing to any team in the world – these things happen but then at least do it while playing with pride and passion for the team.

  • Comment 190, posted at 13.11.17 08:45:08 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Did anyone listen to the international simulcast of the game. I hope the Bok management, SARU et al get a recording and just sit back and listen to what is thought of our skills, back three, tactics, game plan, you name it etc……inept and stupid, stupid, stupid, no intelligence……

    Take that as the truth as its not from one of the shackled Supersport cronies whose livelihoods depend on polishing SARU’s fat ego.

  • Comment 191, posted at 13.11.17 08:49:19 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • I’m still just basically disillusioned…a little bit dead inside about our national rugby team, with little hope of a better way forward…sigh!

  • Comment 192, posted at 13.11.17 08:58:02 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 192) : That was melodramatic me. Real me just says: Mense, ons is kak! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 193, posted at 13.11.17 09:20:56 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 192) : In the past I use to be livid when we lost any game on a NH tour. Now I could not be bothered.

  • Comment 194, posted at 13.11.17 09:43:07 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • With the Boks offer bsically nothing in this game and AC’s preference for continuity i cannot see the Boks winning a game on this tour. We honestly looked like shell shocked dear in the headlights.

  • Comment 195, posted at 13.11.17 09:54:03 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 191) : No one at SARU will listen to anything but money. Are we all still deluded enough to think they care about national pride or what’s good for SA rugby. There are only 2 ways I can see them pull their finger out their arse. An intervention from higher up (ministry of sports) an intervention from their cash cows (us) if their sponsors and dwindling broadcast/viewership becomes a financial threat. Remember that these guys are broke in the sense Eskom is broke. They don’t have money to solve operational issues but they do have money for exec bonuses and gross mis spending.

  • Comment 196, posted at 13.11.17 09:55:50 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Neil Francis from Sunday Independent “South Africa were clueless to the point of being lamentable.The limited nature of their game will rubber-stamp their descent into becoming a minor nation … any South African watching the performance would have preferred a week of waterboarding”

  • Comment 197, posted at 13.11.17 09:57:00 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 196) : I wonder if Rassie and Nienaber are getting a hospital pass and are just there to stall the rest of SA and present us a false sense of ” we are working on it….” an eye blinder.

  • Comment 198, posted at 13.11.17 09:58:34 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 196) : SARU better take notice – The natives are restless…..

  • Comment 199, posted at 13.11.17 10:44:39 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 196) : @coolfusion (Comment 198) : Maybe whats needed here is for ex players / Boks to get involved in a pressure group type of way. One drawback of this is that if not properly managed it can turn into a nasty political bun fight.

    I think Teich would be the perfect person to get something like this off the ground – but he cant do this in his capacity at the moment.

  • Comment 200, posted at 13.11.17 10:49:26 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 200) : Well you may get your wish for Christmas. If reports can believed Saru meets in December to possibly terminate AC contract. See sport 24 report Coetzee to be sacked December.

  • Comment 201, posted at 13.11.17 10:57:41 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 201) : Hopefully they sack his coaching team as well and allow the new guy to pick his crew. IF slim shady doesn’t avoided the axe once again…

  • Comment 202, posted at 13.11.17 10:58:38 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 201) : Also see reports by timeslive. co.za “Alistair Coetzee to be axed as bok coach…”

  • Comment 203, posted at 13.11.17 11:02:02 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 201) : I really feel for Alister (probably too much) but the real culprits here are the ones that blew smoke up his arse telling him how good he was and giving him the job in the first place. Its time to be tough and he clearly does need to go. This will all be worthless if we dont get a real top class coach who can go about coaching unhindered.

  • Comment 204, posted at 13.11.17 11:22:16 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 204) : I don’t think there will be a long queue at the interview door though. Most realistic applicant would be Rassie.

  • Comment 205, posted at 13.11.17 11:29:31 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 205) : Although he is already taking the DOR position – could he be convince to be the head coach as well?

  • Comment 206, posted at 13.11.17 11:30:25 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 205) : @Bokhoring (Comment 206) : I really hope its not a South African, any South African, even those still to be born, comes in with tag attached. Now which overseas coach would be willing to put their heads into a vipers nest.

    How about Plum and Mitchell together?

  • Comment 207, posted at 13.11.17 12:09:24 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 207) : Coaching the Boks is more like sticking your head into a nest of baslisks

  • Comment 208, posted at 13.11.17 13:26:48 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 207) : Dunno about Plum but I have a nagging feeling they will be sending feelers to Mitchell. Also uncle Jake is on holiday in Japan maybe he picks up the phone?

  • Comment 209, posted at 13.11.17 14:14:51 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 209) : A really nasty thought. They promote Brendan Venter….please no. ..

  • Comment 210, posted at 13.11.17 14:15:32 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 210) : Then I suppose we’ll be told to not watch the game every press conference.

  • Comment 211, posted at 14.11.17 15:14:50 by Hulk Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 211) : True.

  • Comment 212, posted at 14.11.17 17:47:00 by coolfusion Reply

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