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Thomas in second Bok SOS


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 27 Nov 2017 at 10:32
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Tendai Mtawarira suffered a groin injury against Italy on Saturday, putting his participation against Wales this coming weekend in serious jeopardy.

While the veteran loosehead has not been ruled out yet and will be given every opportunity to recover, Bok management have taken the precautionary decision to summon fellow Sharks prop Thomas du Toit to Cardiff to provide front row cover.

Du Toit enjoyed a great domestic season for the Sharks and was called up earlier in the year to provide cover – ironically also for Mtawarira – during the Rugby Championships. He did not quite crack the match 23 and looks as though he may well have to wait a little longer to finally make a test debut.

All the same, it remains hugely encouraging for the young man to be so close to Bok selection. We wish both Thomas and Beast well for the coming week.



69 Comments

  • Who is the other loosehead prop on tour besides Beast and Kitshoff?

  • Comment 1, posted at 27.11.17 11:17:20 by SheldonK Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 1) : Trevor, as his seen as a utility prop, which is just messing him around. start of 2017 bulls and trevor stated he was going to specialize as a tight head, went on to have a inconsistent year, along with untimely injuries and play half fight to help the bulls in SR.

    2016 trevor played on both sides of the scrum for bull and boks and was a stand out, maybe his best year a pro since his last year for the cheetahs.

    People question why trevors in the bok squad dispite having struggled mightly this year, boks clearly feel they invested time and games in him and dont want to lose all that experience by dropping him and bring in another prop with no caps, although I feel its likely better for trevor if he had played his way back into form and fitness with the bulls in cc 2017, his been mentioned as a future bulls captain, but every coach has his own way, and looks like trevor along with all the bulls senior players will have to give their all in pre season cause JM is not going to pick players on reputation.

    Interesting times ahead in pretoria.

    Anyone know when Rudolf Smit is back from injury ? his a good long term option for the boks as a Flo replacement. Carr and Notshe more 8st than flanks.

  • Comment 2, posted at 27.11.17 12:09:43 by revolverocelot Reply
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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 2) : So the Reserve tighthead on the bench is also the backup loosehead…eish. I think Trevor should stay at tighthead- has scrummed well there the times he has come off the bench. So hopefully both DuToit and Nyakane make the bench this weekend but i feel Nyakane may be moved to loosehead reserve with Fall Flat Dreyer the tighthead reserve.
    As for Roelof Smit- think i saw him included in the Bulls Super rugby squad. For me Kolisi should be the direct replacement for Louw with a big tackling/ball carrying 7 selected.

  • Comment 3, posted at 27.11.17 12:25:51 by SheldonK Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 3) : sad to say but think you’re 150% correct in that Trevor will be shifted to loose head cover with Dreyer benching as tight head cover. Big Tom will thus help Ruan, Bosch, Am and Louis carry tackle bags! :twisted:

  • Comment 4, posted at 27.11.17 13:34:10 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 4) : yeah – I think this is exactly what’s going to happen

  • Comment 5, posted at 27.11.17 13:38:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 4) : Dreyer must be looking forward to the taste of the grass in the Millennium stadium

  • Comment 6, posted at 27.11.17 13:47:54 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 2) : I see Chris Cloete was MOM for Munster the past weekend.

  • Comment 7, posted at 27.11.17 14:09:16 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 6) : The welsh turf does look quite lush and green :mrgreen:

  • Comment 8, posted at 27.11.17 14:10:33 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 6) : oh that made me chuckle!

  • Comment 9, posted at 27.11.17 14:42:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 7) : Didnt even know he was there. Short term contract?

  • Comment 10, posted at 27.11.17 14:49:18 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I see Franco Mostert is not available this weekend so think Ruan Botha will make the bench. Strange that Jantjies is available though so dont think Bosch will make the team.

  • Comment 11, posted at 27.11.17 15:02:10 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 11) : ja Ruan should make the bench and Dan has a real chance of starting………. that’s if AC does not pick two loose forwards on the bench as I’m sure PSdT will start at 7 and could also cover lock!?!?!?

  • Comment 12, posted at 27.11.17 15:19:07 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 11) : maybe Japan cancelled his visa due to his stellar performances for the Bokke!?!?!?

  • Comment 13, posted at 27.11.17 15:22:17 by JD Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 6) : hahaha ja maybe his missing the green green grass of home and a quick snack is just what he needs before returning home. :twisted:

  • Comment 14, posted at 27.11.17 15:25:11 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 10) : Not to my knowledge. Think he has signed with them. Just checked, he has signed a three year contract.

  • Comment 15, posted at 27.11.17 15:35:32 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • By all means let’s give AC more cannon fodder. Soon he will have depleted our forwards, not accomplished anything and, jet off to his new job in Japan.

  • Comment 16, posted at 27.11.17 16:13:29 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 15) : Oh interesting. Didnt know that. Cloete at 6 with CJ Stander at 8. Opposition will have a tough time at rucks

  • Comment 17, posted at 27.11.17 16:14:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Difficult to say whether congrats or condolences are in order when a player gets a Bok call up these days…

    Given my sunny disposition today I’m going to congratulate Thomas

  • Comment 18, posted at 27.11.17 16:47:28 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 4) : Nope, only Bosch is carrying all the tackle bags and luggage by himself. The others are on holiday. This is all part of AC’s cunning plan to bulk Bosch up for SR next season and to rest the remainder of the Sharks so they will be ready for SR (AC is a closet Sharks supporter). :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 19, posted at 27.11.17 21:24:45 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 19) :think there’s a couple of guys on holiday with the bokke!!! But heybwho will say no to a all expenses paid paid holiday!?!?!?

  • Comment 20, posted at 27.11.17 23:27:12 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 17) : @KingCheetah (Comment 15) : strange that they were allowed to sign him as I’m sure Marcell was signed as a 6 so that should fill up the one player per position rule of Irish rugby!?

  • Comment 21, posted at 27.11.17 23:31:34 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 21) : Yeh interesting point. Not sure how strictly that rule is followed. I mean Deysel is there too.

  • Comment 22, posted at 28.11.17 07:58:11 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 22) : Sounds like that rule is only ever quoted or used when they want to avoid renewing contracts.

  • Comment 23, posted at 28.11.17 08:42:38 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 21) : @SheldonK (Comment 22) : Yes, that is a good question. Unless they have Marcel as a 7.

  • Comment 24, posted at 28.11.17 08:43:35 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 23) : Yeh seems that way to me too

  • Comment 25, posted at 28.11.17 09:48:38 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 21) :
    @SheldonK (Comment 22) :
    @coolfusion (Comment 23) :
    @KingCheetah (Comment 24) :
    @SheldonK (Comment 25) :

    Could be that Cloete has been signed as a potential Irish Qualifying Player, which would mean he would not fall into the category of Deysel and Coetzee..

  • Comment 26, posted at 28.11.17 09:55:01 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 26) : I think you are right. It’s about players who can or cannot play for Ireland – even potentially.

  • Comment 27, posted at 28.11.17 09:58:19 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 26) : Might be maybe Marcell long layoff also presented them with some mitigation clause as well?

  • Comment 28, posted at 28.11.17 10:04:34 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 27) : Ah yes…Cloete- another one of those famous Irish surnames along with Stander and Aki :mrgreen:

  • Comment 29, posted at 28.11.17 11:54:17 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 29) : I thought he had it changed to O’Stander by now?

  • Comment 30, posted at 28.11.17 12:12:00 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 3) : Yep Kolisi can take over from Flo, I was just thinking in terms of whose fit and whpse injured. as my ideal loose trio for us right now would be Siya, J krial, warren. Duane looked decent thus far so his back up, Not doing Cassiem any favours by playing him out of position, Marcel doesnt have enough caps unless is a wc year and his on his second long term injury. Dan is a unknown, JLDP definite back up as he has shown he can perform at test level. Carr and Notshe really good players too etc etc

    Ive seen jaco krial and kwagga in person on a few occations this year, their pretty much the same build physically, its a wonder kwagga isnt jacos back up ay test level

    our players being in the bok camp is a double edged sword, il be optimistic about it rather, having them exposed to high levels or training, travelling to different arena, experiencing the atmosphere, of big game inviroments, getting some game time here and there, maybe these guys come back with a point to prove, that they actually belong at that level and can out perform those above them on the depth chart.

    in relation to the Coenie injury, these things happen, thats the game, still a big blow to our SR campaign.

  • Comment 31, posted at 28.11.17 12:12:40 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 31) : My only concern with playing Kolisi, Kriel and Whiteley is that none amongst them are big hard hit tacklers or ball carriers. They all like to play in the wider channels and have good hands and feet but arent really keen on the tight stuff. So all well and good when you playing on a hard and dry Ellis Park…could be a big problem in say Ireland or Eng. For me Kolisi,Kriel,Kwagga are all going for the same spot. PSDT,Vermeulen,JL Dup all for the 7 spot. I like a quicker 8 that can pass well so for me a Whiteley or even Van Der Walt

  • Comment 32, posted at 28.11.17 13:12:32 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 28) : Marcell plays for Ulster, not Munster

  • Comment 33, posted at 28.11.17 13:20:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 30) :

    https://m.sport24.co.za//Rugby/SuperRugby/bulls-confirm-bothas-departure-20170116

    Arno’s at Ulster, already been capped by boks.

    How old is cloete, think he can make the irish team and still be useful, his a solid player right now.

  • Comment 34, posted at 28.11.17 14:41:43 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 33) : Yep. Thought about it after typing. Good catch.

  • Comment 35, posted at 28.11.17 15:41:12 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 26) : @SheldonK (Comment 22) : @KingCheetah (Comment 24) : @robdylan (Comment 27) : @coolfusion (Comment 28) : interesting did not know of the exception to the rule. For interests sake Cloete is 26 (turns 27 in Feb) so should qualify when he’s almost 30 so ja will be a bit old for an international debut.

  • Comment 36, posted at 28.11.17 19:33:38 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 29) : hahaha Ja was talking about some if the “strange” surnames playing for some of the Six Nations teams!!!

  • Comment 37, posted at 28.11.17 19:36:02 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 32) : For me definitely vd Walt at 8. He ticks all the boxes that Whiteley ticks, but adds, bulk, abrasiveness, and height.
    Agree Kolisis, Kriel, Kwagga, Roelof Smit and maybe Bholi for 6
    Thormeulen maybe a tad ponderous for me at 7, will go with PSDT, JL duP, Cassiem, Mohoje, at 7
    vd Walt, Thormeulen, Dan, and Whiteley at 8

  • Comment 38, posted at 29.11.17 07:28:32 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 38) : Yeh thats pretty much my thinking. Will be interesting to see how the Bulls loosies progress this next season as i believe some of them have real talent.

  • Comment 39, posted at 29.11.17 07:57:37 by SheldonK Reply

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  • And in todays feel good, fuzzy wuzzy good news story Allister Coetzee says he is staying with the Boks until after Japan 2019.

    Might have been easier to get rid of old Bob than AC. :twisted:

  • Comment 40, posted at 29.11.17 10:07:46 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 38) : Vd Walt has always been unlucky not to get a Bok call up. Oddly he’s everything SA coaches like but for some reason he’s always been left in the wilderness. It boggles the mind.

  • Comment 41, posted at 29.11.17 11:38:17 by Hulk Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 41) : Agreed, but that isn’t anything new in SA rugby.

  • Comment 42, posted at 29.11.17 11:42:53 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 40) : Problem is AC’s wife keeps under the radar as the wives of almost every sports coach do – so that angle will not work either

  • Comment 43, posted at 29.11.17 12:06:36 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 41) : @KingCheetah (Comment 42) : Yep, agreed.

  • Comment 44, posted at 29.11.17 12:32:59 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 43) : :lol: Im busy working on the army angle, starting with the honorary SA Irish Regiment Colonel.

  • Comment 45, posted at 29.11.17 12:36:20 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 40) : Saw that too. But that’s what he says. He might get a different memo after or during Dec.

  • Comment 46, posted at 29.11.17 12:41:05 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 45) : You got to get his wife to publicly convince AC to drop the Colonel’s favourite player for her cousin

  • Comment 47, posted at 29.11.17 12:54:16 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 47) :
    And so “a cunning plan to solve the problem” takes root (thanks Baldrick)

  • Comment 48, posted at 29.11.17 13:35:00 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 40) : ja boet no matrer how bad the teams does he will not resign so unless he’s fired we will have him untill the end of his contract!!! :cry:

  • Comment 49, posted at 29.11.17 14:02:19 by JD Reply
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  • Watch this space. I say he gets canned before contract expires.

  • Comment 50, posted at 29.11.17 14:05:18 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 50) : I think this eyot will be the nail in his coffin. I actually wish we included scotland in the tour and dropped Italy which is really never really supposed to be in a tour anyways unless you’re just sightseeing.

  • Comment 51, posted at 29.11.17 14:43:27 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 51) : Final nail. ….even.

  • Comment 52, posted at 29.11.17 14:44:18 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Is there anyone else hoping in small way that no sharks players get picked for the game against Wales and in that way ensuring none are injured going into 2018 Super rugby? I mean we have already had a big blow losing Coenie for the year

  • Comment 53, posted at 30.11.17 09:55:55 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 53) : Me for one. Also going to be tough if the tank also gets hurt. Ditto beast.

  • Comment 54, posted at 30.11.17 10:44:49 by coolfusion Reply

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  • I see Deon Davics is now touted as the AC replacement with Rassie overseeing him. Eish

  • Comment 55, posted at 30.11.17 12:28:03 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 55) : I think he will be an improvement on AC, starting with being able to motivate a team and thats where it ends. Lets wait and see but if this is the case it sends out a single message and that is that SARU are stuck in their archaic mindset of only appointing locally and I think its clear that that alone is just not cutting it anymore.

  • Comment 56, posted at 30.11.17 14:00:52 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 55) : Might be difficult to find a cheap enough stop gap. But at least with Rassie it won’t be a one man show in terms of selection. Let’s face it most of his immediate problems stem from that and not having tactical know how. Rassie could aid that if they ensure he is hands on enough.

  • Comment 57, posted at 30.11.17 14:14:48 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 56) : If you look at Davids and AC local coaching. record then his appointment would just a mistake. They should just save on costs and dont worry about a coach, just get someone to pick a team and they arrive and just wing it on the day.

  • Comment 58, posted at 30.11.17 14:16:45 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 58) : Or Rassie could just pick up. He only has a half years work to do.

  • Comment 59, posted at 30.11.17 14:36:27 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 58) : “…….and just wing it on the day.” or they could listen to the Supersports post match analysis and implement that as their coaching guide, we might see some interesting results then.

  • Comment 60, posted at 30.11.17 14:40:54 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 59) : @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 60) : We could make it really interesting and say the first 23 players to make it into the changeroom at whichever ground gets to play….first come first serve in terms of positions :mrgreen:

  • Comment 61, posted at 30.11.17 14:47:34 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 58) : Davids has not really had any star players to work with – so it is difficult to judge him on the Kings’ results

  • Comment 62, posted at 30.11.17 16:16:29 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 62) : Same argument could be made for AC, not many SA star players curently if you look on international scale

  • Comment 63, posted at 30.11.17 16:22:38 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 63) : Compare the Stormers squads he worked with over the years with what players the Kings had available – chalk and cheese.

    I like to read the analysis of Oom Rugby on AllOutRugby and he has been very complimentary of the organization of the Kings’ attack and defense during Super Rugby.

    We are not going to attract the prime overseas coaches many are calling for – too many side shows for them.

    Davids can’t be worse than AC.

  • Comment 64, posted at 30.11.17 16:31:52 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 64) : that’s what I said about Heineke Meyer :shock:

  • Comment 65, posted at 30.11.17 17:52:41 by Hulk Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 64) : Please don’t jinx by saying it can’t be worse than AC. That’s what we said about Meyer and we got AC….

  • Comment 66, posted at 30.11.17 19:11:26 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 64) : The problem for me is taking a coach who is coaching a bunch of guys that nobody really gives a chance to win and then putting him in charge of players where he is expected to win. The game plan, way you motivate players in those two situations are vastly different. If he does get appointed i will give him benefit of the doubt like any other guy. I just feel it could be a mistake. But as you say- the ‘big names’ arent exactly lining up at the door

  • Comment 67, posted at 01.12.17 13:39:27 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 67) : Apparently Rassie rates him highly and was instrumental in him being appointed at the Kings. So perhaps the combination with Rassie supporting from behind the scenes could work out well.

  • Comment 68, posted at 01.12.17 14:20:51 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • I can’t help thinking AC is fully aware that he doesn’t have the capabilities and competence to build a competitive world cup team no matter what talent he is given to do it with. He knows he will fail he has something else lined up so why not just hash things so badly that he gets let out of his bok contract early, keep the money and start a new job. He would be a few million up, no?

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