Richard Ferguson

EOYT 2017: Wales vs Springboks


Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :End of Year Tour, Original Content, Springboks on 2 Dec 2017 at 14:00
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It’s the last one for the year folks, not sure if we should be happy about that or not? Will it be Allister Coetzee’s last match in charge of the Boks? Who knows? But what I do know is that this will be one tough test match.

There was expectation from most to see some sort of experimentation on this tour, some form of rotation, something positive that we can take from four matches against Northern Hemisphere opposition, but alas, all we positively know is that Allister Coetzee and whoever picks the team with him, has very little idea of what to do right now.

But’s lets not be too negative. There is a chance for some change in the backline with Warrick Gelant getting a start, albeit in the wrong position. One has to wonder how it works that a player has such a great season playing in one position, is expected to carry that form into a completely different position. The logic in that completely missing to my mind.

There I go, negativity again. I’ll end on some positive thought: Lukhanyo Am and Louis Schreuder both finally get the chance to wear the Green and Gold. Both thoroughly deserve their shot, and we wish them all the best in that magic moment, should it happen. Let’s hope for more than a few seconds just before the final whistle.

Wales: 15 Leigh Halfpenny, 14 Hallam Amos, 13 Scott Williams, 12 Hadleigh Parkes, 11 Steff Evans, 10 Dan Biggar, 9 Aled Davies, 8 Taulupe Faletau, 7 Josh Davidi, 6 Aaron Shingler; 5 Alun-Wyn Jones (captain), 4 Cory Hill, 3 Scott Andrews, 2 Kristian Dacey, 1 Rob Evans.
Replacements: 16 Elliot Dee, 17 Wyn Jones, 18 Rhodri Jones, 19 Seb Davies, 20 Dan Lydiate, 21 Rhys Webb, 22 Rhys Patchell, 23 Owen Watkin.

South Africa: 15 Andries Coetzee, 14 Dillyn Leyds, 13 Jesse Kriel, 12 Francois Venter, 11 Warrick Gelant, 10 Handré Pollard, 9 Ross Cronje, 8 Dan du Preez, 7 Pieter-Steph du Toit, 6 Siya Kolisi, 5 Lood de Jager, 4 Eben Etzebeth (captain), 3 Wilco Louw, 2 Malcolm Marx, 1 Steven Kitshoff.
Replacements: 16 Bongi Mbonambi, 17 Trevor Nyakane, 18 Ruan Dreyer, 19 Oupa Mohoje, 20 Uzair Cassiem, 21 Louis Schreuder, 22 Elton Jantjies, 23 Lukhanyo Am.

Date: Saturday, December 2
Kick-off: 14.30 (14.30 GMT; 16.30 South African Time)
Venue: Principality Stadium, Cardiff
Expected weather conditions: The stadium will be sealed, sides and roof, and so the weather is no playing consideration. But for those going into the stadium, there will be high of 8°C, cooling down to 6°C.
Referee: Jérôme Garcès (France)
Assistant referees: Wayne Barnes (England), Frank Murphy (Ireland)
TMO: Rowan Kitt (England)



111 Comments

  • Wales by 40

  • Comment 1, posted at 02.12.17 15:47:17 by Poisy Reply
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  • Watching the La Rochelle games recently. It’s a pity Jordaan has left us.

  • Comment 2, posted at 02.12.17 16:05:16 by durbsguy Reply

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  • @durbsguy (Comment 2) : something stopped him from reaching his potential here like many of our stars it’s nothing new. He wouldn’t put in half the performances you see here.

  • Comment 3, posted at 02.12.17 16:27:43 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 1) : only by 40?

  • Comment 4, posted at 02.12.17 16:32:38 by JD Reply
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  • @durbsguy (Comment 2) : always s had the potential so very glad he’s delivering on that even if it’s not for the Sharks!

  • Comment 5, posted at 02.12.17 16:33:42 by JD Reply
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  • Wales opens their account with a beautiful try after great crosskick from Biggar

  • Comment 6, posted at 02.12.17 16:36:44 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • 7-0

  • Comment 7, posted at 02.12.17 16:37:30 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Second try Wales after another clever kick from Biggar

  • Comment 8, posted at 02.12.17 16:39:44 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Wales by 40 may just be very possible

  • Comment 9, posted at 02.12.17 16:40:10 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • 14-0

  • Comment 10, posted at 02.12.17 16:40:26 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • SA doing only tackling and missing high balls

  • Comment 11, posted at 02.12.17 16:42:13 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Uhm … where have our bokke gone ? :|

  • Comment 12, posted at 02.12.17 16:42:40 by John Reply

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  • AC will surely be fired after this

  • Comment 13, posted at 02.12.17 16:44:50 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • At least we can scrum, but that is about it

  • Comment 14, posted at 02.12.17 16:49:00 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • AC deserves to be fired. He spent the week telling us how underrated coetzee is…. we now know hes just shit

  • Comment 15, posted at 02.12.17 16:49:18 by byron Reply

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  • And the maul is not too bad eithet

  • Comment 16, posted at 02.12.17 16:50:11 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Marx drags 5 Welshmen over the tryline. TMO to check grounding

  • Comment 17, posted at 02.12.17 16:52:30 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Eish. Looked grounded to me

  • Comment 18, posted at 02.12.17 16:53:27 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Boks cock up and ends back in their 22

  • Comment 19, posted at 02.12.17 16:55:05 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Coetzee finally manages to catch a high ball

  • Comment 20, posted at 02.12.17 16:55:59 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Boks get a vital penalty and Pollard misses the line

  • Comment 21, posted at 02.12.17 16:57:23 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • And now we screw up a lineout inside Welsh 22

  • Comment 22, posted at 02.12.17 16:58:55 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Coetzee … 0/10 …

  • Comment 23, posted at 02.12.17 16:59:38 by byron Reply

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  • Seems the players want AC fired….

  • Comment 24, posted at 02.12.17 16:59:39 by John Reply

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  • Coetzee is having a mare

  • Comment 25, posted at 02.12.17 16:59:39 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • About the best bit of play from the Boks all game

  • Comment 26, posted at 02.12.17 17:05:32 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • 14-3

  • Comment 27, posted at 02.12.17 17:06:16 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • 21-3

  • Comment 28, posted at 02.12.17 17:07:41 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Haha get that clown off the field !!!

  • Comment 29, posted at 02.12.17 17:07:54 by John Reply

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  • Parks scores his second after Coetzee kick gets charged down

  • Comment 30, posted at 02.12.17 17:08:15 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 26) : water break?

  • Comment 31, posted at 02.12.17 17:08:34 by byron Reply

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  • Coetzee is having a meltdown tonight

  • Comment 32, posted at 02.12.17 17:08:52 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Gelant scores after a counter from Lleyds

  • Comment 33, posted at 02.12.17 17:12:18 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Gelant try

  • Comment 34, posted at 02.12.17 17:12:25 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Although defensively Gelant has not been good

  • Comment 35, posted at 02.12.17 17:13:07 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Lleyds should move to 15, Am to 13 and Kriel to 14

  • Comment 36, posted at 02.12.17 17:13:07 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • 21-10

  • Comment 37, posted at 02.12.17 17:13:31 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Dare I say … try scored because coetzee out of position?

  • Comment 38, posted at 02.12.17 17:13:32 by byron Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 35) : Yip

  • Comment 39, posted at 02.12.17 17:13:57 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @byron (Comment 38) : Lleyds is just the more natural 15 of the two

  • Comment 40, posted at 02.12.17 17:15:09 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 40) : he doesnt run directly at the defender either

  • Comment 41, posted at 02.12.17 17:15:54 by byron Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 40) : Coetzee just conspires to run into the first defender each time

  • Comment 42, posted at 02.12.17 17:16:20 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Move Gelant to 15, Leyds to the Left wing and Am to 13 with Kriel at 14

  • Comment 43, posted at 02.12.17 17:17:10 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • There you have it, Gelant exposed, but yes he should be at 15 where he is most comfortable.

  • Comment 44, posted at 02.12.17 17:20:38 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Coetzee miles out of position

  • Comment 45, posted at 02.12.17 17:21:11 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • And now the talk is Davids of the Kings said to be the next Bok coach :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Trust me the day that is announced is the day I stop supporting the Boks altogether. And the current coaching staff are a total disaster.

  • Comment 46, posted at 02.12.17 17:21:48 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 43) : Would be worried about Gelant’s positional play as well as under the high ball

  • Comment 47, posted at 02.12.17 17:24:21 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 46) : Davids is a good coach!

  • Comment 48, posted at 02.12.17 17:25:48 by byron Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 46) : Sounds more like the plan is for Rassie to do the light show from behind the scenes and Davids his front man

  • Comment 49, posted at 02.12.17 17:26:47 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @byron (Comment 48) : Agree

  • Comment 50, posted at 02.12.17 17:27:40 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Etzebeth off and replaced by Mohoje

  • Comment 51, posted at 02.12.17 17:30:13 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • So it’s official absolutely everyone in south africa can see what AC can’t. And everyone but SARU and their clown boss can see this guy is a lost cause. You can’t coach worse if you tried. Actually terrible of Wales NOT scoring more out if these mile wide gaps.

  • Comment 52, posted at 02.12.17 17:30:21 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Geez how is that not high

  • Comment 53, posted at 02.12.17 17:31:54 by byron Reply

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  • @byron (Comment 53) : Ref not too fussed with chokeholds

  • Comment 54, posted at 02.12.17 17:32:40 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @byron (Comment 48) : Sorry mate but he is nowhere near Bok coach material yet, the closest we have is Ackermann, we need someone like Robbie Deans, with Ackermann as Forwards and yes Davids as backline coach.

  • Comment 55, posted at 02.12.17 17:33:24 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 55) : Won’t happen

  • Comment 56, posted at 02.12.17 17:35:32 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Try Pollard

  • Comment 57, posted at 02.12.17 17:36:11 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Pollard scores after sustained pressure

  • Comment 58, posted at 02.12.17 17:36:29 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • 21-15

  • Comment 59, posted at 02.12.17 17:37:20 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Gelant just as kak as Coetzee under the high ball

  • Comment 60, posted at 02.12.17 17:39:56 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 56) : I know, thus Bok Rugby will drop even more into the dumps.

  • Comment 61, posted at 02.12.17 17:40:20 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Our kicks out of hand are rubbish,

  • Comment 62, posted at 02.12.17 17:41:09 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Then Gelant kicks a good one

  • Comment 63, posted at 02.12.17 17:42:57 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 63) : With good coaching he can become a great player. Fortunately he has Mitchell to provide that

  • Comment 64, posted at 02.12.17 17:44:50 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Kriel scores and suddenly the score is 21-20

  • Comment 65, posted at 02.12.17 17:47:03 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Forwards showing the backs how to draw a man …. try!!!

  • Comment 66, posted at 02.12.17 17:47:29 by byron Reply

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  • Blitzbokke 19-0 up second half

  • Comment 67, posted at 02.12.17 17:48:29 by byron Reply

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  • Pollard kicks the conversion from the sideline. 22-21 SA leads

  • Comment 68, posted at 02.12.17 17:48:47 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 64) : He is, just needs to work on his up and under jumping.

  • Comment 69, posted at 02.12.17 17:49:15 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Marx MOM, Dan has been solid.

  • Comment 70, posted at 02.12.17 17:49:50 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Boks cock up a maul after doing very well with that all evening

  • Comment 71, posted at 02.12.17 17:51:19 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • And then gives away their first scrum penalty

  • Comment 72, posted at 02.12.17 17:52:46 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Wales upping the tempo and Boks looking a bit tired now

  • Comment 73, posted at 02.12.17 17:55:11 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Blitzbokke just taken gold

  • Comment 74, posted at 02.12.17 17:56:26 by byron Reply

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  • PSDT does well to disrupt the Welsh maul

  • Comment 75, posted at 02.12.17 17:56:44 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 75) : Then gives away a stupid penalty right in front.

  • Comment 76, posted at 02.12.17 18:00:41 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Wales lead again 24-22

  • Comment 77, posted at 02.12.17 18:01:10 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Schreuder gets his cap

  • Comment 78, posted at 02.12.17 18:04:30 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Schreuders passing is friggin light speed compared to Cronje

  • Comment 79, posted at 02.12.17 18:06:19 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Shreuder speeding up fame nicely

  • Comment 80, posted at 02.12.17 18:07:22 by byron Reply

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  • And Jantjies keeps F***ing up

  • Comment 81, posted at 02.12.17 18:08:17 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Jantjies has fluffed two balls in a minute now

  • Comment 82, posted at 02.12.17 18:08:19 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Elton not used to fast ball

  • Comment 83, posted at 02.12.17 18:08:31 by byron Reply

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  • Jantjies just an utter piece of shit. Why the hell did he take Pollard off? Just killed all the speed and momentum of the backline. Well done toetie. Prove us all right.

  • Comment 84, posted at 02.12.17 18:09:28 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Again Coetzee shows himself to be the most useless coach ever to coach the Boks. instead of strengthening the backs with subs he weakens it at pivot. MORON

  • Comment 85, posted at 02.12.17 18:09:40 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • I hope he brings AM on at 12

  • Comment 86, posted at 02.12.17 18:10:29 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Scrums a mess now. Ref needs to warn Wales about wasting time

  • Comment 87, posted at 02.12.17 18:10:49 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Boks needs some balls now and run the ball from deep

  • Comment 88, posted at 02.12.17 18:12:23 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Wales victory, better team won. congrats

  • Comment 89, posted at 02.12.17 18:15:38 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Well done toetie we were almost in danger if winning. Some quick thinking …loser.

  • Comment 90, posted at 02.12.17 18:17:29 by coolfusion Reply

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  • So Jantjes contribution… two dropped balls and a kick for touch with 2 mins left. Brilliant.

  • Comment 91, posted at 02.12.17 18:20:21 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • Also how the f%&king hell did Andries Coetzee get 80 mins on the park… but Pollard gets subbed. Genius. Sheer genius

  • Comment 92, posted at 02.12.17 18:24:43 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 91) : I thought he got subbed by kitshoff

  • Comment 93, posted at 02.12.17 18:34:32 by byron Reply

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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 92) : He got the time cause Alistairs game plan called for 3 wings and 0 fullbacks. I feel sorry for both him and Gelant both these guys were expected to play a game plan and in areas they were not used to.

  • Comment 94, posted at 02.12.17 19:19:03 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Surely there is ground for a vote of no confidence in the SARU chief for not removing Coetzee when he should have. They should both be fired.

  • Comment 95, posted at 02.12.17 19:20:30 by coolfusion Reply

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  • I dont really care if they fire AC or not, but I don’t think it will make much of a difference unless they allow the Bok coach to select any number of OS players. The local talent pool right now is just to thin to do much better they did this year.

  • Comment 96, posted at 03.12.17 06:05:54 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 96) : I tend to agree with you. You only have to look at someone like ross cronje to understand just how much talent is missing. He left the sharks because he was effectively the 4th choice scrumhalf at the time. He joined the lions as a second choice behind faf. All those players before him are no longer in the country. You can go to pretty much any position and you could find same.

  • Comment 97, posted at 03.12.17 07:32:25 by byron Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 96) : Yeah, our best players and best coaches are now outside of the country. Due to the lack of experienced coaches (apart from Mitchell) as well as hardly any decent specialized skill coaches our young talent is also not really progressing as they should.

    It is not just the experienced hardebaarde leaving for a retirement package – more and more of players around 21-26 are now leaving for overseas shores.

  • Comment 98, posted at 03.12.17 10:22:15 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @byron (Comment 97) : I was under the impression that the Cronies, Rhodes and Cilliers left for other reasons.

  • Comment 99, posted at 03.12.17 15:05:14 by durbsguy Reply

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  • I thought the Bok forwards were good but backline offered nothing again and were hopeless under the high ball and in defense. I thought Dan Dupreez had a good game in his first start- probably his best game he has played this whole year. PSDT also did really well but when he moved to lock it showed the benefit of having a more mobile lock and flank when Mahoje came on. I thought Schreuder looked sharp and the difference between his pass and Cronje’s is qite startling considering Cronje has played in the Bok 9 shirt all year. Wins over the hapless French and Argies made this year look better than it actually was…i believe the Bok backline regressed badly this year. Although some credit to Proudfoot who seems to have got the forwards at least keeping us in games.

  • Comment 100, posted at 04.12.17 08:40:33 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Schreuder made a big difference i think , just with him @9 and Am @13 the Springbok backline will have a decent attacking threat

  • Comment 101, posted at 04.12.17 09:47:43 by John Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 100) : Sharks are lucky to have two scrumhalves who pass from the base (no two-step three step, just pass)

    I must say I am a bit worried about meeting the Stormers scrum next year – Ginger, Mbonambi and Louw with any of Etzebeth, PSDT and Schikerling behind them is going to hurt most opposition scrums.

  • Comment 102, posted at 04.12.17 09:52:52 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 102) : Yeh i made the comment to a mate what a huge difference a decent pass from the base makes. Wales were not able to close our space. Jantjies to his credit was running onto the ball well he just forgot how to catch. Think the direct way Pollad plays is having a good influence on Jantjies- likewise Jantjies goal kicking is putting pressure on Pollard to kick well- which he did barring the one shocker for touch.
    As for the Stormers scrum- fully agree. Sharks were looking pretty good too with Coenie there but without him there is a glaring hole

  • Comment 103, posted at 04.12.17 10:50:15 by SheldonK Reply

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  • There is a lot of negative surrounding the Boks and probably rightly so. But what did they do right this year??
    Well i thought they got it right in the front row- Beast/Kitshoff, Marx/Mbonambi, Coenie/Louw were the right picks and did pretty well. I thought our locks Etzebeth/De Jager and should be PSDT are great locks to have in a 23. I think getting Duane Vermuelen back in the loose trio is a good thing. I think Serfontein and later Venter were pretty good at 12…i do prefer a play maker at 12 personally but that seems to be anti South African so i will compromise and say then play one at 13. Other than that i think the rest are a problem…particularly the 9 and the interplay in the backline

  • Comment 104, posted at 04.12.17 12:14:42 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Am i the only one that noticed that when wwe subbed our tighthead Louw we brought on our loosehead Reserve Nyakane instead of our tighthead reserve Dreyer? That one move tells you all you need to know about AC’s coaching of the Boks

  • Comment 105, posted at 05.12.17 08:29:33 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 105) : Coetzee is responsible for the squad he took on tour, which left him with only the grass eating Dreyer available to bench for TH. Given that game day squad, I too would have done what AC did, wait as long as possible with the starters, and put Nyakane in for whomever looks like they need to be replaced. Ginger was on fire all game, Louw seemed to fade toward the end, hence I too would have brought Nyakane on at TH. Anything to leave Dreyer on the bench. Of course the blame lies at AC’s feet due to the squad he selected for this tour, and didn’t bring in TH cover when it was needed.

  • Comment 106, posted at 05.12.17 17:19:11 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 106) : If that was his plan then why not pick DuToit and Nyakane as his Reserves props. It just shows he has no clue in regards to selection which is a major reason the Boks are in the mess they are.

  • Comment 107, posted at 06.12.17 10:08:22 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 107) : I see use are using the word PLAN very gratuitously. ..

  • Comment 108, posted at 06.12.17 14:51:34 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 108) : This is true

  • Comment 109, posted at 06.12.17 15:10:29 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 107) : I agree with you. I am not trying to justify his selections, just trying to understand it somewhat. But you are 100% correct, it is clear he does not have a clue when it comes to squad and game day selections.

  • Comment 110, posted at 06.12.17 15:24:13 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 110) : Yeh look if he is to get any credit it is because he realised he couldnt put Dreyer on.

  • Comment 111, posted at 06.12.17 15:34:28 by SheldonK Reply

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