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Second-string standouts


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 12 Mar 2018 at 13:03
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Saturday’s Sharks performance against the Sunwolves will certainly have given Robert du Preez food for thought ahead of the first tour game this weekend. While the coach will have felt that he’d fielded his strongest outfit against the Waratahs the week before, a lacklustre performance from some of those first-choice players must certainly have opened the selection argument up ahead of the Brumbies game.

Now let’s be brutally honest here – the Sunwolves are certainly not one of the tougher teams in the competition and we would be deluding ourselves if we chose to read too much into the 50-point scoreline achieved against them. That said, there were certainly a number of second-strong players who made particularly strong claims for inclusion against the Brumbies, particularly given how their counterparts fared the week before.

Akker van der Merwe and Wian Vosloo are perhaps the two most obvious candidates amongst the forwards and it would take a brave man to consider not starting with the former in Canberra. Franco Marais was strangely out of sorts against the Waratahs and will need a strong showing or two on tour – possibly off the bench – in order to stake a claim once more. I’d say the former Lions man has the starting jersey for the time being, though. Vosloo, while not a traditional open-side flank, certainly made more of a fist of his run in the position that Jacques Vermeulen did the week before, with the latter frankly looking all at sea in the number 6 jersey against the Tahs. Vermeulen was much better on the blindside this week and should probably enjoy another start there, albeit with fit-again Jean-Luc du Preez breathing down his neck.

The coaches will need to figure out what to do with Tyler Paul as well. He’s another who was poor as a loose forward against the Waratahs but could have massive utility value to offer as a lock, perhaps again playing off the bench.

Cameron Wright is another player who seriously showed up the starting option last week and surely must be pushing to start – as he did against the Lions in week one. Makezole Mapimpi and Curwin Bosch also put in very solid performances at left wing and fullback respectively and must be in strong contention for Canberra. Mapimpi still appears a little hesitant on defence but was certainly much better on Saturday than he was against the Lions; in contrast, Kobus van Wyk was pretty much a passenger against the Waratahs and you simply cannot discount a strike record of three tries in two games from the man competing for the jersey.

Bosch was, to me, pretty close to phenomenal against the Sunwolves, both on attack and defence. It was his heroics under pressure, though, that really impressed me, with a particular one-on-one try-saving tackle making something of a mockery of his perceived defensive weaknesses. Curwin also used his boot to great effect to relieve pressure on a number of occasions and it’s this attribute, in particular, that sets him apart form the other option at 15, Lwazi Mvovo, at this stage.



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  • Nice problem to have. I feel that Ruan Botha has also not been great and need to lead from the front.

  • Comment 1, posted at 12.03.18 13:09:11 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Akker was a monster and should start more often! Great game by Vosloo…did a lot of hard work!
    Cameron should also start instead of Louis… LS had a terrible game for me…

    Yeah would give Bosch a start….Also feel sorry for Louw…but AE has been brilliant so far this season!!

  • Comment 2, posted at 12.03.18 13:25:29 by EugeneVT Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 1) : agree. He’s been poor

  • Comment 3, posted at 12.03.18 13:27:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • I thought Beast and Akker were very good and should start as a combo again. As for tighthead really not sure…Meyer was alright but against a weak team. Locks were adequate although Lewies did show up a bit more, definitely think Tyler Paul needs to be the lock sub though. Loose forward is a tricky one as i feel we still mixing and matching without being sure. Vosloo did fairly well but does sometimes over commit to a ruck thats already lost and thereby take away a defender from the next ruck. Schreuder was definitely not himself and i feel still carrying a niggle, Wright was much better. As for rest of the backline i think they all did well and deserve another go…Mapimpi is looking tired though so perhaps his body needs to be managed better, so perhaps Mvovo/Van Wyk and early sub for him. Bosch definitely needs to start and play as much at 15 as possible. he off the bench, besides Chilliboy running on i cant remember him adding anything. Keegan Daniel is too reckless and loose as well

  • Comment 4, posted at 12.03.18 13:30:09 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Going to be a long, hard tour. Why we have FOUR games on tour but most other teams only play three games makes no sense. This weekend is our best shot at a win in my opinion. Brumbies have looked terrible so far and I think they picked up a few injuries last weekend too. We have to give everything in this game.

    Same team for me to start with the exception of Wright in for Schreuder.

  • Comment 5, posted at 12.03.18 14:10:10 by Dustin Emslie Reply

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  • Will be great to have the Ninja and jldp fighting fit again. We definitely should give Vosloo another crack. Tyler Paul at lock. John H Meyer and Geldenhuis also need a shot. I would say let’s see how Tera goes but it looks like his body won’t last long enough for him to regain form…or gain form in the first place.

  • Comment 6, posted at 12.03.18 14:14:09 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Here’s my team for the game against Brumbies

    15: Lwazi Mvovo/Curwin Bosch (but really prefer Curwin at 10 )
    14: Sbu Nkosi
    13: Luke Am
    12: Andre Esterhuisen
    11: Makazole Mapimpi
    10: Curwin Bosch
    9: Cameron Wright
    8: Tera Mtembu
    7: Jacques Vermeulen
    6: Wian Vosloo
    5: Stephan Lewies
    4: Ruan Botha
    3: Meyer (forgot his name)
    2: Akker Van Der Merwe
    1: Tendai The Beast Mtawarirra

  • Comment 7, posted at 12.03.18 14:57:14 by Simz Cele Reply

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  • @Simz Cele (Comment 7) : Curious why Bosch at 10? We lose a lot physically with him at 10 as he gets dominated physically by loose forwards and centres there. At 15 he has space and ability to pick out weak defenders to beat, and he has a long kicking game.

  • Comment 8, posted at 12.03.18 15:32:48 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Simz Cele (Comment 7) : I’d play this same team except I’d keep Rob jnr at 10 and Bosch at 15. He’s looked very good there and would like him to stay there for a while.

  • Comment 9, posted at 12.03.18 16:18:07 by Hulk Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 9) : I agree. Rob at 10 and Bosch at 15. I have a good feeling about the tour. Sharks always disappoint at home but come alive down under.

  • Comment 10, posted at 12.03.18 18:15:37 by tigershark Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 8) : Correct Sheldon, Also if we move Curwin to 10 and he does get dominated from a defense point of view it will do him far more harm than good, we need to stop playing youngsters just because we like then in positions that they are not ready for, I do not doubt Curwin’s class or ability but he again showed right now his best position is 15 and he really had a very good game, it also gives the team 2 massive kicking options.

  • Comment 11, posted at 12.03.18 18:33:57 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Team for the weekend should be:

    15: Curwin Bosch
    14: Sbu Nkosi
    13: Luke Am
    12: Andre Esterhuisen
    11: Makazole Mapimpi
    10: Robert du Preez Jr
    09: Cameron Wright
    08: Tera Mtembu
    07: Jacques Vermeulen
    06: Wian Vosloo
    05: Stephan Lewies
    04: Ruan Botha
    03: John Hubert Meyer
    02: Akker Van Der Merwe
    01: Tendai The Beast Mtawarirra

    16 Franco Marais/Chillipip
    17 Thomas du Toit
    18 Juan Schoeman
    19 Tyler Paul/Hyron Andrews
    20 Jean Luc du Preez
    21 Louis Schreuder
    22 Marius Louw
    23 Lwazi Mvovo/Kobus van Wyk

  • Comment 12, posted at 12.03.18 18:43:26 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • So just about every time we’ve toured Australasia we’ve expected to win our Aus games and to struggle in our New Zealand games…our record, though, consistently shows the opposite as far as results go. That makes me a bit nervous for the next two weeks. So please focus on Saturday, men, and make it happen against what seems a weaker Brumbies side in 2018…

  • Comment 13, posted at 12.03.18 20:15:03 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 11) : three. Don’t forget Andre

  • Comment 14, posted at 12.03.18 20:21:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 14) : Very true sorry forgot the big fella hoofs the ball a mile and is a left footed option :mrgreen:

  • Comment 15, posted at 12.03.18 21:12:33 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 8) : I rate Curwin Bosch at 10 especially for his age very impressive and his defense is improving, this past weekend I actually saw the amount of work he’s putting into it in training he made a great tackle on behalf of Mapimpi and I honestly think Curwin Bosch is just more talented than Rob du Preez at 10

  • Comment 16, posted at 12.03.18 21:48:24 by Simz Cele Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 9) : I’d like to see him play 10, I reckon here that Curwin is actually the better 10 but because of questions about his defence (which he is addressing ) Rob is playing 10 ahead of him

  • Comment 17, posted at 12.03.18 21:52:34 by Simz Cele Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 8) : @Hulk (Comment 9) : @Simz Cele (Comment 16) : personally I’d like to see Bosch get game time at 15 as I think the physicality of defending at 10 is maybe a bit much for him at the moment. Playing at 15 will give him time grow up and mature much like it did for Lambie.
    Just go and look at the size difference of Bosch and André and then think how a smaller guy like Bosch will feel having to tackle a monster like André 5 or 6 times in a game! Give the lad a chance to grow up a bit before expecting him to step up and mix it with the monsters playing 12 in Super rugby.

  • Comment 18, posted at 12.03.18 23:11:28 by JD Reply
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  • I see that the Sharks Club XV are taking on the Sharks XV (Supersport Challenge team) on Friday at 7, at Crusaders, in Durban. Anybody know the likely Sharks XV team?

  • Comment 19, posted at 13.03.18 06:44:18 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @Simz Cele (Comment 16) : On the one hand I agree with you, Bosch is a major talent at both 10 and 15. I think for now though Rob is still the better 10, although both players have their different skill set. Playing at 15 for now seems to be good for Bosch, he is playing a lot better and making some excellent hits. For the team the combo of Rob at 10 and Bosch at 15 is probably better than Bosch at 15 and Mvovo or April at 15. Bosch has taken up the challenge and outplayed Mvovo at 15 the last couple of weeks, give him enough time and he should be able to do the same at 10, but there is no need to rush the young man. 10 is a bit more of a physical position and Bosch is young, his body will continue to develope and he will become more confident and fearless. In the meantime, I think Rob is playing well enough that there is a decent chance of him making the Springbok group ( depending on weather or not they will take Lambie with), but I personally would choose him above Pollard if it were up to me.

  • Comment 20, posted at 13.03.18 10:15:26 by HeinF Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 20) : Well put. It is nice to have a big unit back in the 10 channel.

  • Comment 21, posted at 13.03.18 10:50:35 by Hulk Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 18) : In part I agree, but Bosch isn’t that much smaller than guys like Zeilinga, or Damian Willemse. And yet they seem to be more committed to tackling than has been the case for Curwin.

  • Comment 22, posted at 13.03.18 11:02:30 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 18) : @HeinF (Comment 20) : Yeah agree re giving Bosch more time, I wish we could tell the Stormers not to rush Damian Willemse too. He also looks like a great talent but I feel they are throwing him into the deep end. It’s very rare that you get players like FS and JPP that can play at that level at such a young age.

    Also, re Pollard, for the Bokke to be competitive again we will need at least two quality FH’s and atm it looks like it’s RdP jr and him. He was injured for a long time, I for one hope he gets some good form again as I think he a quality player which we will definitely need come WC time.

  • Comment 23, posted at 13.03.18 11:33:37 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 23) : All the arguments of Bosch being too young or too small,kind of pale into insignificance when you throw Jordie Barrit ,same age, and Damien Mckenzie ,significantly smaller ,into the mix.
    Bosch’s time is now he has had a whole season of top rugby to settle in and must now start fulfilling his promise.
    He needs to start regularly in one position for at least three games before he is judged,,I think its 15 but even if its 10 he needs to be given the regular chance.
    He is too good a talent to end up just as another useful utility back to have on your bench like Brent Russell,

  • Comment 24, posted at 13.03.18 12:15:22 by The hound Reply
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  • Why one or the other, why not just count our blessings and have both very talented players on the park together

  • Comment 25, posted at 13.03.18 12:46:19 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 22) : @Quintin (Comment 23) : @The hound (Comment 24) : Thats right, its not a size thing, its the commitment to the tackle and this is where Curwin has been found wanting.

  • Comment 26, posted at 13.03.18 12:48:48 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 22) : He is bigger than Lambie. Who had to defend that channel and never shirked.

  • Comment 27, posted at 13.03.18 13:02:22 by coolfusion Reply

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  • I like Curwin but I think he does lack the guts for hard and continuous defense. Sadly until the sharks change the way they are playing now, hard and continuous defense especially in our red zone will be a fact if life.

  • Comment 28, posted at 13.03.18 13:47:17 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 27) : Agreed.

  • Comment 29, posted at 13.03.18 14:01:01 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 26) : I saw him put at least 2 try saving tackles in in this game, his defence is not that bad.

  • Comment 30, posted at 13.03.18 14:05:46 by The hound Reply
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  • Hey boys trust you all well. For me owes personally talent for talent (barring the defence) I think Curwin is just better than Rob, also I think Handre Pollard is so overrated! it’s scary it’s actually bordering on the absurd it’s almost like the media is saying the Springbok No 10 jersey is just for Handre and only Handre. For myself I agree with Hurricanes Super Rugby Winning Coach Chris Boyd and Legendary Naas Botha – Elton Jantjies is by far the best fly half in South Africa by miles !

  • Comment 31, posted at 13.03.18 14:47:01 by Simz Cele Reply

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  • @Simz Cele (Comment 31) : Im not so sure about Elton, I agree if you are talking about the one that wears a red and white jersey, but that Elton that wears a green jersey is another scary story altogether.

  • Comment 32, posted at 13.03.18 15:00:12 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 32) : Agreed. Elton outside of Lions setup is a liability. This makes him far from best fly-half in SA. As much as I’m not a Pollard fan at least he has a better shot at making transition between different styles and game plans. He also offers a physical component and some level of versatility in terms of positions covered. That being said, to date he has also been a confidence player which is a drawback for him and Elton.

  • Comment 33, posted at 13.03.18 15:16:21 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 30) : Yes I saw those and he did well there, but he has never had a problem with that type of tackle, approaching from behind and on one side. The real problem comes with the attacker that runs straight at him, head on, or side head on, he tends to turn these situations into possible side on from behind tackles (thus giving the attacker space and speed) or shies away from the contact.

    Anyway this years Curwin looks more bulked up and “up for it”. Im sure thats one aspect of his game that all, including himself, would identify as needing attention – maybe thats happened.

  • Comment 34, posted at 13.03.18 15:18:53 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 34) : Also covering breakdowns and scrums he doesn’t seem to cover the required defensive pillars well. Not saying his defense is non existent but when the demand is high he slips often.

  • Comment 35, posted at 13.03.18 15:21:11 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 35) : That being said. Sharks must invest seriously in his training since we can’t let this be the reason he doesn’t grow. The excitement he brings is definitely worth the investment.

  • Comment 36, posted at 13.03.18 15:23:06 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 24) : cannot agree with you re Bosch, every players body handles knocks etc differently, Bosch we all know is very talented yes but his defense even though some are saying it is fixed we have no proof on a consistent basis of that, defending at 15 and 10 are 2 very different things, one more face on the other more side tackles and from behind as we saw Bosch catch the Wolves player from behind. Another thing is no matter how we look at it Roberts passing game especially long passes are far better,

    Also no flyhalf in SA has given a better performance at 10 that what Robert gave at 10 when playing the Sharks last year in the playoff match and Final, is Robert not allowed time to fit 100% into this team? or does that only count for certain players?

    Bosch has a brilliant future but it sure as heck is not at 10 right now, grow the youngster, have his confidence soar and lets see his defense for more than 1 good outing before we crown him the next big thing since sliced bread. Play him at 15 in my view and let him grow, he has all the attributed you need from a 15 and yes even his defense will be less of a risk there.

  • Comment 37, posted at 13.03.18 15:23:15 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 34) : @coolfusion (Comment 35) : Only read your responses now after responding to Hound and fully agree with you.

  • Comment 38, posted at 13.03.18 15:24:47 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 38) : I must also say I see a much better gel between Rob and the line breakers, angle runners like am and esterhuizen and better fit with Bosch and the speedsters with light touches quick handling and stepping.

  • Comment 39, posted at 13.03.18 15:30:46 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 39) : So yes for me Bosch will do well with back three Rob better at pivot and midfield.

  • Comment 40, posted at 13.03.18 15:33:10 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 39) : For sure.

  • Comment 41, posted at 13.03.18 15:42:02 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 33) : Quite interesting to see the developments around Goosen. I see he is training with the Cheetahs to get game time. Not sure if this is initiated by Montpellier, or Rassie. On form he is a fantastic player that can play 10/13/15 with equal confidence.
    If I was a bok coach, I would look no further than Lambie, Goosen and Pollard for now. Rob is progressing nicely, as is young Damian Willemse.

  • Comment 42, posted at 13.03.18 16:37:28 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • I disagree boys to me Elton Jantjies is the best fly half in SA absolutely agree with Naas on this one and Chris Boyd and others. The Springboks have been a disaster since Heyneke Meyer and Alistair Coetzee. Elton hardly got game time under Meyer and Alistair just didn’t know what he was doing let alone know what to do with Elton Jantjies. To me it’s always amazing that’s it always us some of us fans who have the biggest criticism against Elton yet Legendary players and coaches who actually know how to win championships alike say he’s the best fly half in South Africa hands down and he’s been for a while now. The Lions wouldn’t be where they are today if it wasn’t for a flyhalf like Elton Jantjies. And we can put all these guys together, Lambie, Pollard, Goosen etc it’s clear Elton has more accomplishments more than all of them combined

  • Comment 43, posted at 13.03.18 17:14:26 by Simz Cele Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 42) : Sorry dude but you are smoking some seriously strong stuff, Jantjies has not once played well in a Bok jersey, that little thing called BMT he lacks big time, It is like thew Bulls full back last weekend everyone says must be the Bok 15, but where was his defense letting in 2 tries. When you tell me EJ has more accomplishments than Lambie, Pollard and Goosen combined?? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: OK that was funny.

  • Comment 44, posted at 13.03.18 17:29:41 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 42) : I don’t think Lambie will make himself available. He just got out of a bok contract. However it is good to hear Goosen is back. We really must have more dimensions to our game than just Pollard.

  • Comment 45, posted at 13.03.18 17:30:02 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Simz Cele (Comment 43) : On a serious note I cannot take you seriously when you make statements like that. It makes me question ………..

  • Comment 46, posted at 13.03.18 17:30:45 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Simz Cele (Comment 43) : They have been saying that about Elton forever. Then every now and then a bok coach forgets the previous try they gave him and try him again. Then very quickly move on. Sorry dude Elton will never be more than a Lions player.

  • Comment 47, posted at 13.03.18 17:32:49 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 45) : Who knows Cool, right now it is all just speculation, all I know is that Lambie should then be asked but all Boks over seas, we have to play our best players if we want to compete with the best, if not it is a pointless exercise as the Boks will stay the whipping boys.

  • Comment 48, posted at 13.03.18 17:32:57 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 47) : Amen.

  • Comment 49, posted at 13.03.18 17:33:33 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Lol you boys are hilarious, it’s okay boys let’s agree to disagree all I know is that I have Winning Coaches and Legendary Players backing me and agreeing with me on this debate and that’s all that matters to me

  • Comment 50, posted at 13.03.18 18:01:02 by Simz Cele Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 46) : You can question after all it’s a debate but like I’ve said before I’m with Chris Boyd, Naas Botha, Nic Mallet and John Mitchell on this one about Elton definitely agree with them and they agree with me

  • Comment 51, posted at 13.03.18 18:05:03 by Simz Cele Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 44) : just on that note – personally I don’t think that we have an accomplished 15 in this country – wouldn’t it be a good idea to keep Curwin at 15 and groom him as the next long term Springbok option at FB?

  • Comment 52, posted at 13.03.18 18:06:39 by Julesgr8ter Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 44) : Lol bro okay let’s have it your way answer me this how many currie cup titles has Goosen bought to Vrystaat playing flyhalf ? And Handre Pollard what major accomplishment does he have over Elton ? Name me a title a trophy something you can put next to Handre’s name?
    Lambie is the closest one brought a currie cup title back to the Sharks in 2010 playing at flyhalf and inside center

  • Comment 53, posted at 13.03.18 18:13:54 by Simz Cele Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 47) : Yeah of course they did I wasn’t surprised they’re both Shit coaches. Heyneke was a garbage coach so was Alistair Coetzee. Like I said before those 2 men had no idea what they were doing

  • Comment 54, posted at 13.03.18 18:17:46 by Simz Cele Reply

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  • @Simz Cele (Comment 53) : let me throw that question back at you: name EJ’s trophies ;) you know,his SR,RC trophies,CC accomplishments, all those

  • Comment 55, posted at 13.03.18 19:41:47 by HeinF Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 55) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 56, posted at 13.03.18 19:44:55 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @HeinF (Comment 55) : Lol sure – 2011 Currie Cup Title and won the Man of the Match award
    - 2016 SA Conference Winner and Super Rugby Finalist
    - 2017 SA Conference Winner and Super Rugby Finalist
    Back to Back
    Now name Handre’s and Goosen’s trophies LMAO go ahead :o do your best

  • Comment 57, posted at 13.03.18 20:12:50 by Simz Cele Reply

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  • @Simz Cele (Comment 57) : so technically only the first one, nobody consider those others trophies. Which Lambie also accomplished, both the trophy and motm. Finalist does not count as anything, you don’t get the trophy for second place ;) one CC trophy doesn’t really inspire me to think of him as a great player

  • Comment 58, posted at 13.03.18 20:21:08 by HeinF Reply

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  • @Simz Cele (Comment 54) : Not that I am a fan of his game plans / selections, but that garbage coach has one Super Rugby trophy as coach and two as director of rugby.

  • Comment 59, posted at 13.03.18 20:46:13 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @HeinF (Comment 58) : Simple truth is and that is what Cele is not understanding, EJ has never played well in a Bok jersey and oh yes it is always the coaches fault and not the players according to his argument.

    I tell you what, Bosch is maturing nicely and if he can keep it up is light years more talented than EJ.

  • Comment 60, posted at 13.03.18 21:22:34 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @HeinF (Comment 58) : Re read the comment again I said name me Handre’s and Pollards trophies Lol come on bro Read! I already acknowledged Lambie in my previous comments

  • Comment 61, posted at 13.03.18 23:05:07 by Simz Cele Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 55) : @HeinF (Comment 58) : @sharks_lover (Comment 60) : OK if we’re selecting the next Bokke flyhalf on trophies then Morné is the man to go to as he’s the only flyhalf that actually played in a Super rugby winning team!

  • Comment 62, posted at 13.03.18 23:05:56 by JD Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 59) : He’s still a garbage coach he was great at The Bulls definitely then he just got to the Springboks and did Shit

  • Comment 63, posted at 13.03.18 23:10:27 by Simz Cele Reply

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  • I rate Curwin a lot you guys know that but not over Elton

  • Comment 64, posted at 13.03.18 23:18:23 by Simz Cele Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 62) : Fair comment but I’m saying that Elton Jantjies is the best flyhalf

  • Comment 65, posted at 13.03.18 23:21:31 by Simz Cele Reply

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  • Goosen won the French championship with Racing 92 I think, and they got to the final of the European Cup same year. Pollard won the U20 World Cup as a 17 year old.

  • Comment 66, posted at 14.03.18 01:34:59 by JR Reply

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  • I think Goosen played 13 in that team though.

  • Comment 67, posted at 14.03.18 01:36:51 by JR Reply

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  • Heavens above, why Glen Jackson? Who’s pool did we pee in to deserve Glen Jackson?

  • Comment 68, posted at 14.03.18 07:22:16 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 44) : Elton?? Don’t rate him as a test flyhallf, nor did I mention him. :shock:

  • Comment 69, posted at 14.03.18 07:22:39 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Julesgr8ter (Comment 52) : Sure, when he grows a pair of cahoonas. Personally think they should get Willie le Roux back. In the right environment, Willie will add another dimension to our backline.
    A backline with a SH with a crisp service, Goosen/Lambie, Mapimpi, Jvr/AE/Serfontein, Am/Mapoe/Venter, Nkosi/Combrink, Willie/Gelant

  • Comment 70, posted at 14.03.18 07:26:17 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @JR (Comment 67) : Goosen played 10/13/and 15. Was also voted Top 14 Player of the Year. No matter what anyone says. In my humble opinion, Elton is brilliant for the Lions, but has failed time and time again as a bok 10.

  • Comment 71, posted at 14.03.18 07:28:41 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • I just dont think SA has a standout 10 at the moment like new zealnd has in Bauden Barret. Elton and Handre arent game changing 10′s. Its just something we’ll have to live with for now. In fact, neither do we have a game changing 9.

  • Comment 72, posted at 14.03.18 07:30:02 by tigershark Reply

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  • @Simz Cele (Comment 61) : Really? I refer you to comment 43 where you mentioned Lambie as well when comparing accomplishments. For the sake of arguments, you can’t chop and change your comments and expect me to keep up ;)
    Is EJ performing well? Sure. He still misses the easy kicks, still has no BMT. He showed this in the QF against the sharks last year and again very much in the final last year. We will never be a champion side with him at 10. He has had enough chances at the Boks and failed. It’s now time to give another player a chance.

  • Comment 73, posted at 14.03.18 07:33:43 by HeinF Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 37) : Agreed.

    @Simz Cele (Comment 65) : One of the reasons the Lions hasn’t won a SR trophy yet is because Elton simply has no BMT and he struggles in tight games like the SR finals where the type of rugby played is much closer to what you’d see at international level.

    He’s got 23 caps under different coaches and didn’t perform. He’s had more than his chance at that level. Let’s move on.

    Anyone know where Zas is? Keen to see what he can do at FB especially or on the wing(not that we need more wingers).

  • Comment 74, posted at 14.03.18 07:51:39 by Quintin Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 73) : Exactly.

    @SeanJeff (Comment 68) : Man, you just don’t like referees in general ey? :lol:

    @tigershark (Comment 72) : Agree with you there, however, let’s see what this years SR dishes up, maybe RdP or Pollard comes through for us. But yeah, looks kind of dull at the moment for us re FH.

  • Comment 75, posted at 14.03.18 07:59:16 by Quintin Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 24) : I wasn’t specifically referring to Bosch’s size or age but rather the mental strength required at that age to play at this level. He’ll get there, I have great confidence that he will be a great Springbok for many years. I just don’t think we need to rush him, he’s got plenty of time on his side.

  • Comment 76, posted at 14.03.18 08:15:52 by Quintin Reply

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  • So with England losing to France over the weekend, does anyone feel we might have a bigger chance against them then we previously thought? Or were the Scotland and France games just flukes? I didn’t watch either of those matches but it surely shows that they are far from unbeatable.

  • Comment 77, posted at 14.03.18 08:18:37 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Simz Cele (Comment 65) : Well if Elton is the best flyhalf in a green jersey then we are Royally shafted, 20 odd appearances and still to make any impresssion. Not nearly good enough at international level but great at local level and that does not mean at all local level, remember how dismal he was at the Stormers.

  • Comment 78, posted at 14.03.18 09:07:32 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Everyone goes gaga about the open attacking play of the Lions in Super Rugby but many forget that the Lions pack makes it much easier for the backs to shine. However the moment you are able to put their forwards under pressure (as the Crusaders did last year, and the Canes the year before), the backs don’t look so flash. Elton does not seem to handle the pressure so well in that case.

    I can’t actually remember when the Bok forwards last properly dominated a top 5 team – so that is my opinion why Elton has hardly managed to pull off the same level of play at Bok level than he has at Super Rugby level. No flyhalf will look good if his forwards are utterly dominated, but the great ones still manage to do well as long as their pack’s don’t surrender totally.

  • Comment 79, posted at 14.03.18 09:45:46 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Quintin (Comment 75) : It’s simply that the Sharks have a 100% loss record with Glen Jackson in charge.

  • Comment 80, posted at 14.03.18 09:50:17 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • @SeanJeff (Comment 80) : He started off being super pedantic but nowadays I do not have a problem with him. He is definitely not worse than some of our SA and most of the Aussie refs.

    I was not aware of the 100% loss record though.

  • Comment 81, posted at 14.03.18 10:07:28 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 69) : Sorry KC I responded to Cele, obviously i clicked on the wrong damn post, sorry bud.

  • Comment 82, posted at 14.03.18 14:04:59 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 82) : No worries, gathered as much after I posted.

  • Comment 83, posted at 14.03.18 15:03:47 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • Does anyone know at what time today they are announcing the team? I’m looking forward to Saturday, first match I am able to watch since round 1

  • Comment 84, posted at 15.03.18 08:55:31 by HeinF Reply

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