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Andre starts against the English


Written by Henk Terblanche (Bokhoring)

Posted in :Springboks on 21 Jun 2018 at 13:17

Rassie has made a few changes to the team for Saturday’s test. The starting pack stays pretty much the same as last week except for Ralapele coming in for Bongi. The backline will see Pollard and Le Roux moving to the bench replaced by Jantjies and Gelant. DDA drops out of the match day squad and Andre gets a start next to Kriel.

Schalk Brits will be new on the bench along with Papier.

15. Warrick Gelant
14. S’Busiso Nkosi
13. Jesse Kriel
12. Andre Esterhuizen
11. Aphiwe Dyantyi
10. Elton Jantjies
9. Faf de Klerk
8. Duane Vermeulen
7. Pieter-Steph du Toit
6. Siya Kolisi
5. Franco Mostert
4. RG Snyman
3. Frans Malherbe
2. Chiliboy Ralepelle
1. Tendai Mtawarira
Replacements:
16. Schalk Brits
17. Steven Kitshoff
18. Thomas du Toit
19. Jean-Luc du Preez
20. Sikhumbuzo Notshe
21. Embrose Papier
22. Handré Pollard
23. Willie le Roux



61 Comments

  • Finally.

    Boks by 30+.

  • Comment 1, posted at 21.06.18 13:20:15 by McLovin Reply
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  • Bok forwards have been all over the Pom mob.

    On a wet and windy Newlands they’re going to get buried.

  • Comment 2, posted at 21.06.18 13:21:57 by McLovin Reply
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  • Not sure I get the logic around the Schalk Brits selection. With Marx set to play against the Sharks in just over a week, Mbonambi doing really well, Akker bulldozing the English off the bench, Bismarck available for selection at some point and Chilli being fairly solid – we do seem to be well stocked at hooker.

  • Comment 3, posted at 21.06.18 13:25:36 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 3) : I am more worried about the plans for 9. We have Faf and then ….

  • Comment 4, posted at 21.06.18 13:26:17 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Im really not sure what to make of this team. Seems a young and pacy backline but England have pace too. Just hope our guys are also up to tackle not just run. Glad for Esterhuizen and hope he performs. The pack starting and on the bench is just a bit off for me…

  • Comment 5, posted at 21.06.18 13:39:31 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 4) : Ivan van Zyl is goed op Papier ;)

  • Comment 6, posted at 21.06.18 13:40:27 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

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  • @JustPlainSHARK (Comment 6) : :grin:

  • Comment 7, posted at 21.06.18 13:41:17 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @JustPlainSHARK (Comment 6) : Net jammer hulle speel op gras

  • Comment 8, posted at 21.06.18 14:25:12 by jdolivier Reply

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  • Hmm it would have been a good time to bring Akker in as starting hooker to see his full game performance. Not sure what we want to see from Chilli, I think everyone knows what he brings. Also would have given Andre and Am a shot together and then bring Jesse in to do a compare. Jantjies we really don’t need to see. Would rather have liked to see the power of Pollard next to Andre and Am make a midfield steamroller.

  • Comment 9, posted at 21.06.18 14:44:24 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Very disappointing selection for a dead rubber, that is a shite front row ,Malhebe looked like he was on his last legs last week and seriously is there nobody better than Chilliboy,and Brits on the bench.Beast has earned a rest.
    This would have been the perfect opportunity to unleash potentially the best front row in world rugby,Ginger,Akker and the Tank.
    Why were Rob junior and Dan kept in the camp, if he had no intention of playing them.there is nothing we haven’t seen of Jaantjies and Notshe.
    I am very happy to see Gallant given long overdue break,

  • Comment 10, posted at 21.06.18 17:04:59 by The hound Reply
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  • Why does Mitchell not play Papier but Rassie does?

  • Comment 11, posted at 21.06.18 20:02:25 by Julesgr8ter Reply
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  • @JustPlainSHARK (Comment 6) : :lol:

  • Comment 12, posted at 21.06.18 20:14:01 by StevieS Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 10) : Unfortunately i think with some selections Rassie is trying to score points off the field so that he doesnt have to in other games.

  • Comment 13, posted at 22.06.18 08:12:54 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 13) : That and with no time left on the clock he has to prove or disprove what he can even if it’s only academic. More interested to see a team fixing holes and evolving in a proper game plan.

  • Comment 14, posted at 22.06.18 15:10:00 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 14) : That being said some of the selections are known quantities.

  • Comment 15, posted at 22.06.18 15:52:42 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 15) : Kriel, Faf (to some extent) Duane PsdT. Need to see more of RG, Akker, Andre, Gelant, Whiteley, Am, Kitshoff. Of course I would like to have seen more of the cheetah stars also since they didn’t get the expected airtime. But like I said he has limited time and needs to keep up a winning record for morale.

  • Comment 16, posted at 22.06.18 15:58:41 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Just a thought. I know we all want to see Am get a chance with someone less one dimensional at 12, but we have seen a lot of AE and Am at the Sharks. Don’t you think Rassie would like to give AE and Kriel the opportunity to build their partnership. Am has been superb. However Kriel is an excellent 13 as well and can inject excitement into any match. I can see why Rassie has gone with the centre pairings he has. As for Hooker, I think Rassie sees both Akker and Brits as impact players, while his starting hookers are Marx, Bongi and Chili in that order. I think regardless of which of the 3 start, it will likely be Akker on the bench. With regard to 9 I have no idea what Rassie’s thinking may be, other than Faf is his only real choice.

  • Comment 17, posted at 22.06.18 17:36:29 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 17) : I just hope we’ll see Pollard, AE and Kriel/Am combo at one stage too. Not a lot of guys will run through a Pollard, AE channel.

    I also think Rassie is desperate for another 9 so he’s trying them all. Van Zyl is definitely not the answer though and I don’t even know much about Papier. Has Cam done something wrong there? I think next to Faf, Cam is our best option.

  • Comment 18, posted at 23.06.18 08:15:45 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 18) : Cam would be a no-brainer for me – good decision making, great pass, can actually pass without doing the sidestep, quick at the breakdown and probably the best kicking 9 (box kicks as well as for distance) in SA.

  • Comment 19, posted at 23.06.18 12:58:28 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 19) : Agreed and he’s got more experience than Papier overall (in SR and at Montpellier) who seemingly came out of nowhere. I don’t get the hype around that guy at all.

  • Comment 20, posted at 23.06.18 13:35:21 by Quintin Reply

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  • Wow so many errors. Kisthoff britz and du Toit should have started. Jantjies seriously when will coaches learn he is just not bok quality. PSdT seems to get better every game. Chilli boy just leave him at home he brings nothing.

  • Comment 21, posted at 23.06.18 19:37:29 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 19) : Papier is just not an adequate replacement for faf. He needs to prove himself at club level first. I would seriously use Ross Cronje before him. Van Zyl also just a CC player, at best.

  • Comment 22, posted at 23.06.18 19:45:24 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Having been at Kwa Mashu to watch Sharks XV vs Cheetahs, just watched the SA vs England game now – personally think that England played the conditions better than we did – can’t help but wonder whether the more physical combination of the likes of Cam andRob du Preez may have played these conditions better

  • Comment 23, posted at 23.06.18 22:03:54 by Julesgr8ter Reply
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  • @Julesgr8ter (Comment 23) : I see the Sharks had a good win there. 48 -21.

  • Comment 24, posted at 23.06.18 22:12:18 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 24) : yes, good win but concerns are that Lewis and Hyron Andrews both picked up injuries – hope nothing too serious

  • Comment 25, posted at 23.06.18 22:18:33 by Julesgr8ter Reply
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  • Would have rather had Akker start and Britz come on second half. Kitsie just doing so much more and paired with Thomas brought some real power play. I think Rassie selections let him down. Pollard should have started this game if we were serious about winning.

  • Comment 26, posted at 23.06.18 22:31:02 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Julesgr8ter (Comment 23) : Great to hear that you were at the sharks game, will you be giving us a review of the day out there ? (either here or a fully fledged article later this week)

    A combination of a few factors did us in against england. Weather, poor performance at key times, lack of execution, changing up the team etc etc

    I hope DV doesnt get sighted for pushing the england players face into the ground

    I kinda had a feeling we (johnny) may lose this game lol

    kolisi could have managed the ref alittle better, he seem to also get frustrated with 20min left, a few of the ref scrumming calls were dodgy

    Gallant rucking from the side when there was a england player just lying in the channel when he actually should have tried to ruck the offside england player and get the offside penalty for sa

    Gallant seem to fall apart towards the end tho

    And yet .. lots of positive to take from this game and the series as a whole.

    We have a good sense of what is our best team, and we are yet to intergrat quality players like trevor, marx, warren, jaco kriel, jan serfountain etc

    I’m optimistic about our team going into the rugby championship (dont think we can win it, but I think we can improve on recent performances)

    Hourcade leaving argies, I wonder if the Jags coaches are taking over ? that seems the logical move cause the
    argies cant buy a win, but the jags are killing it

  • Comment 27, posted at 23.06.18 23:53:40 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 27) : little report:
    The Cell C Sharks XV
    Replacements
    1. Juan Schoeman
    16. Kerron van Vuuren
    2. Franco Marais
    17. Jordan Els
    3. Ross Geldenhuys
    18. Khutha Mchunu
    4. Hyron Andrews
    19. Andrew Evans
    5. Stephan Lewies
    20. Cameron Wright
    6. Philip van der Walt
    21. Garth April
    7. Wian Vosloo
    22. Rhyno Smith
    8. Tera Mtembu (C)

    9. Louis Schreuder
    10. Curwin Bosch
    11. Lwazi Mvovo
    12. Marius Louw
    13. Jeremy Ward
    14. Leolin Zas
    15. Courtney Winnaar
    As I said earlier both Lewis and Andrews seemed to come off with niggles early on, and although I am not too sure of the locks who replaced, they did a great job by stealing a few line outs.
    Our front row, both starting and replacements had solid games, other than one lapse in concentration near the end that resulted in a penalty try from the Cheetahs; our forwards gave good go forward ball which allowed both Louis and Bosch in the first half and Cam and April in the second half, a good platform for the back line.
    Bosch had a steady game at 10; April had some nice runs but tends to miss the opportunities to offload when necessary.
    Smith liked good off the bench too
    Although I don’t have exact stats, Sharks XV pretty much dominated the set piece and were really good at the breakdown, had their share of position and territory.
    All in all, a good atmosphere at Princess Magogo stadium, and a solid game – would have loved more supporters there.

  • Comment 28, posted at 24.06.18 08:22:37 by Julesgr8ter Reply
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  • Sorry man my cut and paste of the match day squad didn’t copy a paste too well! :lol:

  • Comment 29, posted at 24.06.18 08:28:34 by Julesgr8ter Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 26) : Thomas is coming along nicely, but he did struggle against the streetwise Marler. At this stage I prefer him coming from the bench. Ginger does deserved a start though. Beast would do well being managed carefully before the World Cup.

  • Comment 30, posted at 24.06.18 10:18:28 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Julesgr8ter (Comment 28) : interesting stuff, seems we finished second in your conference so lets see who we get in the quarters

  • Comment 31, posted at 24.06.18 20:51:43 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 31) : I think we got the Lions. I think we are also playing them in SuperRugby as well. Double header?

  • Comment 32, posted at 24.06.18 23:04:08 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 27) :

    Yip.

    Ibrhink this Bok team will beat the Argies and the Aussies, both home and away and give the ABs a good run if they play on the highveld.

    They need Faf and Vermeulen though, Without them, the Boks will suck.

  • Comment 33, posted at 24.06.18 23:57:05 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 32) : So we do get the Lions. Their second team has changed a lot over the course of the tournament. I still expect a close game.

    Looks like the game will be played on a neutral venue on Sunday, in eastern cape, along with wp vs cheetahs. So no double header at kings Park. But at least I will be able to watch the game on sunday

  • Comment 34, posted at 25.06.18 08:29:37 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • What I want to know is who choreographed the impi’s pre-match dance moves? Elton?

  • Comment 35, posted at 25.06.18 11:56:33 by McLovin Reply

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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 34) : As expected, the Sharks Super SRC tea smashed the Cheetahs, but apart from giving the Super rugby guys a run, I don’t see any other benefit. Without the heavyweights of Super 15, the Sharks SRC team has battled to impose themselves. It will be a tough ask to beat the Lions SRC team imo. Also don’t know if the Cheetahs can beat a strong WP side, though Boland and SWD ran them close. Good luck for Saturday, a win over the Lions will be awesome.

  • Comment 36, posted at 25.06.18 12:37:22 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 33) : Well bad news regarding Vermeulen then. He’s already out for most of the RC and it’ll probably translate to the whole tournament.

    Faf’s service has been nice and fast and the replacements have been dire in comparison. I’d say the only local scrummie with crisp service like Faf currently is Cameron Wright.

    This tour has been a great breath of fresh air. It’s unfortunate we have to go back to Super Rugby before the RC.

  • Comment 37, posted at 25.06.18 12:39:27 by Hulk Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 36) : To be honest i dont think the Sharks will be too fussy if their SRC team dont play past this next game. I dont think its high on the priority list. Just there to give guys gametime really.

  • Comment 38, posted at 25.06.18 12:44:29 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 37) : Ive heard Vermuelen will play no part in Rugby Championship but that Whiteley and Marx will be fit. As you say the backup to Faf isnt really there. Papier was on a hiding to nothing on the weekend.

  • Comment 39, posted at 25.06.18 12:47:28 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 35) : :lol: It’s clear Elton can’t even choreograph a 4th grade stage play. He was terrible on Saturday and once again, for the 24th time, he’s has shown the world that he can’t perform on that level.

  • Comment 40, posted at 25.06.18 12:47:38 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 40) : Yup I wonder when Rassie is going to make his calls to Europe the only real backups to Pollard are there…

  • Comment 41, posted at 25.06.18 13:01:51 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 41) : Agreed. Rob du Preez didn’t get another chance after only a couple of minutes from the bench with 2 charge downs against Wales and Elton get 24 caps to fuck up. Doesn’t really make a lot of sense.

    Who would you bring in from Europe as backup?

  • Comment 42, posted at 25.06.18 13:09:08 by Quintin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 35) : hey those slip and slides by the Impi guys were the most entertaining things about the game. It was a terrible game quality wise from both sides. Far too many errors and England won on the back of our poor discipline

  • Comment 43, posted at 25.06.18 13:20:25 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 40) : Agree. Reckon he’s had ample opportunity for the Boks and come up short.

  • Comment 44, posted at 25.06.18 14:09:03 by McLovin Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 43) : I was in pieces. Never laughed so hard at the beginning of a test.

    Reckon the oke running at the Eng team did it in purpose. Was probably trying to scare/intimidate them by not wearing any onderbroeks. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 45, posted at 25.06.18 14:11:59 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 45) : I think i replayed them slipping and sliding numerous times while the anthems were being done

  • Comment 46, posted at 25.06.18 14:23:07 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 38) : Agreed, just a bit surprised at the depth at the Sharks. A strong Super 15 side, and then quite a gulf in talent.

  • Comment 47, posted at 25.06.18 16:24:59 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 42) : Lambie and Goosen will be great additions to the squad

  • Comment 48, posted at 25.06.18 16:25:55 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 42) : Lambie and Goosen. Of course Lambie is injured but it would not do harm getting Goosen in early. Would be nice to see what he can do next to Andre and Am or Kriel in the mix.

  • Comment 49, posted at 25.06.18 18:13:26 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 48) : Agree. Elton is a technician and won’t add much.

  • Comment 50, posted at 25.06.18 18:14:07 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 48) : Lambie out for the year I think but good to get negotiation started with the club owners for Goosen now, knowing how difficult they are.

  • Comment 51, posted at 25.06.18 18:19:01 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 51) : Is he still with the cheetahs?

  • Comment 52, posted at 25.06.18 18:51:48 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 35) : Elton John or Elton Jantjies? :mrgreen: :razz:

  • Comment 53, posted at 25.06.18 19:33:27 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 51) : @coolfusion (Comment 52) : Thinking of next year, building up to the WC, hopefully Lambie will be fit again. Goosen has joined Montpellier, and I do agree, they should start negotiations. Hopefully the goodwill the Cheetahs showed, by allowing him to train with the Cheetahs.

  • Comment 54, posted at 26.06.18 05:27:00 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 53) : If it was Sir Elton they could have run out to ‘I’m still standing’. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 55, posted at 26.06.18 07:10:37 by McLovin Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 54) : Goosen not only trained but played for the cheetahs in a few pro14 games

    Wouldnt give Elton too much grief, we have to play him with his lions team on sat, not a easy prospect, countless times his pulled the strings to our demise.

    His also got warren, marx, skosan, ross, orie, etc

    Jaco the fullback same story. inconsistent for boks, killed at the lions

  • Comment 56, posted at 26.06.18 19:17:39 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 34) : Do you know where in the Eastern Cape, Im

    in the area for a while so if its not too far away I might be able to make a plan.

  • Comment 57, posted at 27.06.18 12:30:46 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 56) : True! Started two matches abd came off the bench for one. Both him and Lambie are better options to consider as back up in a world cup tournament. Both able to play in multiple positions. Lambie 10/15 and at a push 12. Goosen 10/13/15 and adept at all of them. Rob Jnr and Willemse would cover predominantly 10.
    As for Elton, Super Rugby is his ceiling I am afraid.

  • Comment 58, posted at 27.06.18 14:57:50 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 57) : In a interesting turn of events, super sport announced today that they had a rethink of the venue and schedule for the quarter finals of the SSRC, our game against the lions second team will now be at 2pm on sat at kings park as a warm up game for sr and the wp vs cheetahs game will be in cape town on sunday.

    the festival in eastern cape was supposed to be in madantsane, which also hosted a festival a few weeks ago which was a great success, with thousands attending

    check the super sport rugby challenge facebook for more details, I figure sharks must have motivate for our game to be a curtain raiser, it makes a lot of sense for both us and the lions

  • Comment 59, posted at 27.06.18 23:10:29 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 58) : On Elton I think his results are skewed by Lions being predominantly better team not him necessarily a better FH. I can’t see his stats showing him a better FH than Pollard.

  • Comment 60, posted at 28.06.18 13:44:41 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 59) : Thanks for the update, have just been past Mdantsane.

  • Comment 61, posted at 29.06.18 17:10:54 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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