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9 Sharks invited to the Springbok camp


Written by Henk Terblanche (Bokhoring)

Posted in :Springboks on 25 Jul 2018 at 20:49

Beast Mtawarira, Akker van der Merwe, Thomas du Toit, Jean-Luc du Preez, Lukhanyo Am, André Esterhuizen, Makazole Mapimpi and Lwazi Mvovo have been called up to the Springbok training camp in Stellenbosch.

Coenie Oosthuizen was called up last week along with the Bulls and Stormers contingent.

Unfortunately Chiliboy Ralepelle, Dan du Preez, Cameron Wright, Robert du Preez and Curwin Bosch are likely to take no part in the Rugby Championship.

Full training squad:

Lukhanyo Am, Pieter-Steph du Toit, Thomas du Toit, Jean-Luc du Preez, André Esterhuizen, Eben Etzebeth, Steven Kitshoff, Siya Kolisi, Wilco Louw, Frans Malherbe, Makazole Mapimpi, Bongi Mbonambi, Salmaan Moerat, Beast Mtawarira, Lwazi Mvovo, Sikhumbuzo Notshe, Trevor Nyakane, Coenie Oosthuizen, RG Snyman, Marco van Staden, Damian de Allende, Warrick Gelant, Jesse Kriel, Embrose Papier, Handré Pollard, Akker van der Merwe, Ivan van Zyl, Damian Willemse



91 Comments

  • So basically same as June tests. Not a bad squad.

  • Comment 1, posted at 25.07.18 21:14:09 by JD Reply
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  • Wright and Rob du Preez should have made it boks are thin on both those positions as the last test showed.

  • Comment 2, posted at 26.07.18 05:53:04 by coolfusion Reply

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  • JL can heave a sigh of relief. He has been poor, and really needs a big game somewhere.

  • Comment 3, posted at 26.07.18 07:25:39 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • I’m slightly surprised at Lwazi’s inclusion, and feel for Cameron Wright, who never really had much of a chance to stake a claim. Can’t really complain about any of the other players omitted from the squad.

  • Comment 4, posted at 26.07.18 07:49:07 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 4) : The situation at the Sharks where he mostly gets 20 minutes of the bench does not help his cause.

  • Comment 5, posted at 26.07.18 07:59:07 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Doesn’t seem like there is contingency for Pollard

  • Comment 6, posted at 26.07.18 08:52:28 by coolfusion Reply

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  • So Sharks get Schreuder/Wright, Rob DuPreez, Bosch for CC.

  • Comment 7, posted at 26.07.18 09:16:37 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 6) : Pollard, Jantjies, Willemse

  • Comment 8, posted at 26.07.18 09:27:42 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 7) : So if i look at a possible team based on who i think they will pick:
    1. Schoeman 2. Chilliboy 3. Meyer 4. Paul 5. Botha 6. Vosloo 7. Van Der Walt 8. DuPreez 9. Schreuder 10. DuPreez 11. Zas 12. Louw 13. Ward 14. Van Wyk 15. Bosch

  • Comment 9, posted at 26.07.18 09:53:32 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 8) : Jantjies isn’t on the list Willemse CC level at best. Not that I think Rob is world class but from available flyhalfs he should have made that list.

  • Comment 10, posted at 26.07.18 10:49:48 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 10) : But I suppose he will be included after lions finish supers….sigh…

  • Comment 11, posted at 26.07.18 10:55:39 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 10) : Pollard will start with Jantjies on the bench – definitely the best two flyhalves in SA at the moment. Willemse is there so Rassie can have a look at him.

    What will be interesting what Rassie will do if Pollard gets injured.

  • Comment 12, posted at 26.07.18 11:14:21 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 9) : Isn’t Van Der Walt off to Japan for the Currie Cup season?

  • Comment 13, posted at 26.07.18 11:42:57 by Julesgr8ter Reply
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  • @Julesgr8ter (Comment 13) : I know he did last year but havnt heard anything about this year. Esterhuizen also went to Japan last year but now as he is in the Bok squad im not sure what happens. Same with Mvovo

  • Comment 14, posted at 26.07.18 11:45:26 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Cant argue with those left behind except I still feel Phiilip could add value to the boks.

    I am pleased for Lwazi who is a good all round winger and will add some experience at the back.

    We should have a good currie cup side.

  • Comment 15, posted at 26.07.18 12:04:02 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 14) : I wonder if we will get CC use of them…?

  • Comment 16, posted at 26.07.18 12:24:20 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 16) : Well I am pretty sure we won’t see much of the Pro14 players in the Cheetahs CC side. At best a match vs the Bulls before Pro14 kicks off. The match the week before the opening game vs Munster, is unlikely to feature any Pro14 players, as they will probably be headed overseas already.

    So Sharks are likely to face a pretty weak SRC team in their CC clash.

  • Comment 17, posted at 26.07.18 12:46:54 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 17) : And as a long-time denizen of this site, you should know not to underestimate the Sharks’ ability to completely f*** up an easy, cannot-possibly-lose-against-this-second-rate-team game…

  • Comment 18, posted at 26.07.18 12:53:50 by Culling Song Reply
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  • Where is Garth April off to? We surely wouldn’t sign another fly-half that may challenge Du Preez’s son? So we have Bosch and perhaps Dan Du Preez as cover as things aren’t working out so well for him at 8.

  • Comment 19, posted at 26.07.18 13:39:25 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 18) : :evil: :grin: There is that, but I do think the Sharks should have the favourites tag.

  • Comment 20, posted at 26.07.18 14:02:20 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 19) : Off to Japan

  • Comment 21, posted at 26.07.18 14:21:29 by Julesgr8ter Reply
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  • So Rassie is not planning another look at any Cheetah players then

  • Comment 22, posted at 26.07.18 14:51:35 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 22) : I don’t see any Cheetah players getting a look in. Ox still a work in progress. Mohoje in a crisis.

  • Comment 23, posted at 26.07.18 15:24:45 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • every single year we end up chocking in the playoffs I wish this year they would just experiment as we have nothing to lose. put Bosch at 10 rob Jr at inside centre and louw outside.

    every 2 games alternate our centres and flyhalf and find the best ATTACKING combo. I really wish they would throw away the book and just attack from everywhere and run set plays even in they own 22. point is to get them to attack and find space and be comfortable with ball in hand.

  • Comment 24, posted at 26.07.18 15:58:15 by Poisy Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 17) : Sharks badly need continuity and consistency. It would have been great if we had these guys able to play together now and then, while the End of year tours run their course.

  • Comment 25, posted at 26.07.18 17:12:58 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 25) : I agree, though I really can’t get the inconsistency during the past season. I really figured the Sharks had the team to really do well. The Coenie injury was a blow, but the replacements certainly delivered. The second row and Loose forward combination seems to have performed below expectation.

    Maybe an out and out fetcher needs to be found, and vd Walt moved back to 8. Twins need to start delivering on their promise.

  • Comment 26, posted at 27.07.18 07:10:11 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 24) : ” be comfortable with ball in hand”…thats one of if not the biggest Sharks problem in recent years…they look super awkward handling the ball and often dropping it or losing in contact or passing behind or over the player.

  • Comment 27, posted at 27.07.18 07:59:37 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 26) : I agree on both fronts…that Sharks team on paper should not have been performing as they did. And then also the 4-8 combo is just off…its cumbersome and all pretty much the same, not variety or something different.

  • Comment 28, posted at 27.07.18 08:02:04 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 28) : We need a 4 that plays a more traditional ‘enforcer’ role, Botha should play 5. vd Walt is not a flank, he should play 8 and the whole loose trio should learn to hold onto the ball in contact, which supposed to be a standard thing they were taught at school level.

  • Comment 29, posted at 27.07.18 10:00:28 by Quintin Reply

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  • we need a fetcher or the whole team needs to develop fetcher skills. it’s annoying watching other teams attack us knowing they have an 90% chance of retaining the ball.

  • Comment 30, posted at 27.07.18 10:16:53 by Poisy Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 26) : twins will deliver when they dad is not the coach in my opinion.
    when they fuck up they are never dropped. they need to be dropped so they raise they game and develop the skills we need from them

  • Comment 31, posted at 27.07.18 10:18:31 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Quintin (Comment 29) : Suggestions on who to play 4 then? I quite liked Koegelenberg when he played but he probably more of a 5 maybe. Lewies and Andrews both more of a 5. So after that we looking at Tyler Paul or a Dan DuPreez (although cant see him moving to lock). i definitely think we need more speed in our loose trio and something different besides guys from 4-8 that can bash it up slowly. Id like to see more of Vosloo to judge him.

  • Comment 32, posted at 27.07.18 10:54:24 by SheldonK Reply

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  • It may be a good idea to use Botha sparingly over the Currie Cup. The guy is a shadow of the player he was last year. I would also like to see Andrews getting more playing time.

  • Comment 33, posted at 27.07.18 11:06:58 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 33) : Fully agree- Botha looks seriously buggered. Would like to see his playing time stats over the last 2 seasons. Same happened with Beast previously

  • Comment 34, posted at 27.07.18 11:12:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Julesgr8ter (Comment 21) : Thanks I always liked him as a player could be terrible or wonderful so as a sharks fan pretty much what we are used to.

  • Comment 35, posted at 27.07.18 11:25:37 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 32) : Paul has done well I think but we need another like Oosthuizen

  • Comment 36, posted at 27.07.18 11:27:34 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 36) : A good player like that will lift everyone’s game around him or the least set a benchmark.

  • Comment 37, posted at 27.07.18 15:30:52 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Dan is at risk of being an ordinary player. One hit wonder. I think he needs to bulk up at least add 5 kilograms of muscle and add physicality and aggression to his game.

  • Comment 38, posted at 27.07.18 16:29:30 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 38) : There’s much more he has to do. His awareness ball skills instinctive play also need work. I think he may grow as a player if he gets out from under daddy’s wing.

  • Comment 39, posted at 27.07.18 16:38:18 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Wonder if oosie will get an opportunity to train for boks some point?

  • Comment 40, posted at 27.07.18 18:05:11 by coolfusion Reply

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  • So April and Geldenhuys leave…and are called star players?

  • Comment 41, posted at 27.07.18 18:38:39 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 41) : And put in so little premier time

  • Comment 42, posted at 27.07.18 20:02:50 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 41) : Claassens joining them as well

  • Comment 43, posted at 27.07.18 21:01:34 by HeinF Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 12) : Will be interesting to see which lions players get selected

    This could work out well for us as it may result in us having a really good cc team, but its uncertain which players we will have for the cc yet

    Some players are contracted to a japanese team and can still play for the boks, depends on whaf type of japanese contract they have, they get more money if they take a contract that outlines that they opt out of national team duty for the jap season. I remember players being teams surplus to the bok team mid rugby championship heading to japan instead of cc.

    @KingCheetah (Comment 23) : Eventually ox will be in the mix this year or next

  • Comment 44, posted at 27.07.18 22:53:56 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 41) : Decent players, will be interesting to see who signs them. either the Kings or a Euro/jap team likely, sunwolves even.

    Not sure about our FH super rugby depth now, cause april was good and I dont as of yet rate young visagie.

    Rob jnr and bosch decent options, and after that ?

  • Comment 45, posted at 27.07.18 23:01:23 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 45) : Apologies

    its ross to ITM (which should lead to a sr spot somewhere)

    And april to japanese league, which if he is able to play well and gain some consistency will lead to more, maybe a shot at the sunwolves team, or he will do what keegs did, only play in japan, just my opinion.

    maybe we can play Ryno smith at fh if needed

  • Comment 46, posted at 27.07.18 23:08:07 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • There goes the Lions chances to win the trophy.

  • Comment 47, posted at 28.07.18 12:48:45 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 47) : Saders made mincemeat of a team that the lions would have been lucky beat. This looks like one sided final game, not convinced that the lions will even see the final.

  • Comment 48, posted at 28.07.18 12:57:01 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 48) : Although I hope they do.

  • Comment 49, posted at 28.07.18 12:57:32 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Sharks should have looked at Marnus Schoeman – could add a different element to our loose trio

  • Comment 50, posted at 28.07.18 16:19:35 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Well done Lions. Great fight back. Tahs have a kak attitude

  • Comment 51, posted at 28.07.18 18:32:50 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 51) : They owned those cocky a-holes second half.

  • Comment 52, posted at 28.07.18 18:38:07 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Poor Plumtree always the bridesmaid. At least he gets his teams to semis quite well. Game should be a cracker if lions don’t choke…here’s hoping.

  • Comment 53, posted at 28.07.18 18:41:00 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 50) : He has certainly gotten a new lease on life.

  • Comment 54, posted at 29.07.18 13:01:17 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 53) : Plum can hold his head high. If it wasn’t for the farce of a tournament format, the Canes could well have gone on to contest the final. Still maintain he is better than what he is given credit for by Sharks fans.

  • Comment 55, posted at 29.07.18 13:03:27 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 55) : And then they wonder why the viewership numbers have dropped. Fucking idiots running that comp no doubt.

  • Comment 56, posted at 29.07.18 19:52:23 by Quintin Reply

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  • So we are losing April, Geldenhuys, Classen and Marais off the wage bill. Those are some good players but where mostly squad players and on first team wages(just a guess).

    I imagine we are going to see even less interest in sharks rugby next year(most supporters have lost interest in what the Du Preez family 15 can offer) so the saving is important.

  • Comment 57, posted at 30.07.18 09:51:14 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • Player budgets according to a Sunday Newspaper:
    The WP has the biggest player budget of any SA franchise. WP spent about R78m( €5.079 million) on 128 contracted players’ salaries last year. The most expensive player is Sharks Beast Mtawarira, who earned R3.744 million(£245 777) with his super contract.

    The Bulls R68 million (€4.4 million) for 151 players, Lions R66 million (€4.29 million) for 117 players, Sharks R65 million (€4.233 million) 111 players, are players’ budgets all over R65 million (€4.233 million) a year. The Cheetahs R41 million (€2.67 million) for 92 players, Kings R12 million (€781 520) for 68 players. The Cheetahs and Kings did get around R20 million less than the rest of the big ones.

    The six franchises mentioned last year paid about R331 million(€21.55 million) to 667 players salaries. The figures exclude game fees and winning bonuses. It can also exclude others such as media fund contributions paid for players, university feed, clothing, and so on. The franchise’s budgets should be around 5% -10% more this year.

    In Super Rugby player here, on average, R1.055 million (€68 703) earned on his franchise. It does not include any winning bonuses or springbok contract. Stormers’ R1.432 million (€93 253) wager for the Super Rugby, Lions R1.262 million( €82 184) , Sharks R1.224 million(€ 79 709), Bulls R1.11 million(€72 285, Cheetahs R830 639 (€ 54 091), Kings R355 276(€23 137). The Cheetahs and Kings still have Super Rugby played last yesr before they started participating in the Pro14.

    The highest salaries at the franchises were at
    Sharks R3.74 million(€ 243 831), Bulls R3.7 million (€ 240 962) Stormers R3.68 million (€239 664) Cheetahs R2.73 million(€177 860), Lions R2.45 million(€159 820) Kings R720,000(€46 887)

    Exactly what I have been saying for years. Given the differences in player budgets, the Cheetahs have boxed far above their weight, also explains, why they start well in some seasons, but the wheels come off, when there are injuries to the frontline players. They simply can’t afford the depth that the top 4 can.

  • Comment 58, posted at 30.07.18 10:15:18 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 58) :

    Thanks this is very interesting indeed. So much to take from it.

    1) yes well done to the Cheetahs for performing better than budget. The same could be said to a lesser extent for the sharks who tend to outperform the Bulls and Stormers (they only were helped by a ridiculous conference in the past, all the Top 3 African qualifiers this year where from our previous conference).

    2)I am glad that beast is SA’s top paid player;

    3) Mitchell wants more money but his union already spends the second most;

    4) John Smit really made the right call reducing our contracted players we have about 50 less than the bulls and we haven’t really struggled with depth. The current sweet spot seems to be around 115 and the cheetahs need to hope the pro 14 allows the extra revenue to get those 20 odd more players.

    5) The top wages don’t seem too bad to me so the money is being lost where the players are too far removed from the various first 15′s. We have a Super rugby squad, a Supersport Challenge Squad, a u19 Squad and an under 21 squad, I think. Maybe the solution is to merge the under 19′s and under 21′s into one under 20 squad. that way the max you should need is about 95 players.

    36 Super Rugby players At approximately 1.2 mil per player = 43 Million leaving about R20million for the other two sides

    24 super Sport Challenge players ( non team members of the super rugby squad can be doing duty here)

    30 Under 20 players.

    That’s 90 players and should give decent cover and should free up funds to strengthen the first side. The Additional players could still play at club or varsity level which would help those comps out and encourage scouts to keep an eye open for the late developer.

  • Comment 59, posted at 30.07.18 11:03:45 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 59) : Interesting points raised re Junior leagues, must say it makes more sense than the current u/19 and u/21 concept.
    Will also be interesting to see how much SARU gets out of TV revenues, vs. how much they give the unions. I know the Cheetahs get less than the Bulls, Sharks, Lions and Stormers for instance.

  • Comment 60, posted at 30.07.18 12:24:31 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 60) : I didn’t know that the TV revenues were not evenly split. Not exactly a way to make all the unions competitive that’s for sure. Maybe some gearing on final place on the table but the closer the better in terms of TV revenue in my view.

  • Comment 61, posted at 30.07.18 13:19:13 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 60) : I think the SR franchises each get the same. the Cheetahs and Kings are now paid from Pro 14 monies, each team gets £1.5m I think (all the Pro 14 teams get that)

  • Comment 62, posted at 30.07.18 15:14:28 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 62) : Has anyone done some research as to the SR viewership by country?

  • Comment 63, posted at 02.08.18 17:03:45 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 63) : Yes, they do it every year but it’s very difficult to find in the public media.

    There was an interesting article of Stuff an few months ago but more about attendances

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/104613809/new-zealand-super-rugby-crowds-good-but-south-africa-australia-on-life-support

  • Comment 64, posted at 02.08.18 20:50:53 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 64) : Yup quite a 180 I suspect from x years ago when I’m sure SA made up the biggest ticket and viewership.

  • Comment 65, posted at 03.08.18 17:57:08 by coolfusion Reply

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  • That is a nonsense article filled with gimmick percentages devised to make NZ look good.

    How about just posting the average attendances?

  • Comment 66, posted at 04.08.18 03:29:43 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 66) : And viewership numbers. What I’m driving at is that we may be contributing the highest viewership numbers to this competition and maybe second highest attendance. We should really have a bigger say.

  • Comment 67, posted at 04.08.18 07:28:22 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Lions folding with Jantjies at the front

  • Comment 68, posted at 04.08.18 10:12:57 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 68) : He heard all blacks players and choked

  • Comment 69, posted at 04.08.18 10:19:11 by jdolivier Reply

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  • Saders get most of the 50 50 calls but still miles ahead of our best team. Brutal defense and then play at an insane pace when in our 22. I cant see the Boks beating the All Blacks at all this year.

  • Comment 70, posted at 04.08.18 10:21:31 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Sad thing is that this was winnable for the lions.

  • Comment 71, posted at 04.08.18 10:59:31 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Saders just did the basics and waited for lions to implode. Story of SA rugby….

  • Comment 72, posted at 04.08.18 11:22:12 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 72) : I was just about to write something similar

  • Comment 73, posted at 04.08.18 11:23:08 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 73) : This is real BMT not what we fool ourselves to believe we have.

  • Comment 74, posted at 04.08.18 11:29:18 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 74) : Yes and they did it with less than 70% possession or territory.

  • Comment 75, posted at 04.08.18 11:38:46 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • Was like watching a good boxer vs a slugger.

  • Comment 76, posted at 04.08.18 12:50:01 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 76) : Good comparison!

  • Comment 77, posted at 04.08.18 14:29:11 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 70) : fully agree, it’s the modern game both in rugby and soccer, just look at the French, it’s now these teams defend you into the ground then destroy you on the counter with superior pace and skill , possession and territory mean zip

  • Comment 78, posted at 04.08.18 23:37:44 by benji Reply
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  • anybody know what’s happening with our coaching staff? surely they can’t give rob another year!?

  • Comment 79, posted at 05.08.18 06:53:50 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 79) : Well, he’s contracted for another year. I imagine there might be a performance clause, only way to get out of contract early. But who to replace him with? Muir probably doesn’t want the aggravation, Stonehouse linked to Bulls (so glad Sharks didn’t buy into Mitch, he has peculiarities), all marketable local coaches overseas. Hope the Sharks don’t consider Ackerman anytime he’s in the market, the flipping lions would just follow him, like to Gloucester.

  • Comment 80, posted at 05.08.18 11:16:08 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • @SeanJeff (Comment 80) : You hope they don’t consider Ackerman? A guy who brings teams together and bond them to play for each other? And having a few good lions following is a bad thing?

  • Comment 81, posted at 05.08.18 11:40:29 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 81) : I think his point is when he leaves the sharks if we could get him he will take all our good players with him to whatever team he coaches next unless that’s the boks obviously

  • Comment 82, posted at 05.08.18 12:09:01 by Poisy Reply
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  • @SeanJeff (Comment 80) : Muir and p.divvy I reckon could do a beautiful job for the sharks actually. just keep divvy away from interviews and it will work out.

  • Comment 83, posted at 05.08.18 12:11:05 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 82) : Thought I misread him. But I agree we won’t get a top level coach now, certainly not a miracle worker would can do a one year turnaround. Those are few and very hard to get.

  • Comment 84, posted at 05.08.18 13:52:51 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 84) : well rob is not a top level coach but he got the job. I don’t see why we don’t go out and get a new Zealand head coach even a itm cup new Zealand coach I reckon would do better than our lot.

  • Comment 85, posted at 05.08.18 15:06:09 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 85) : I don’t know how long they would stick around.

  • Comment 86, posted at 05.08.18 16:32:29 by coolfusion Reply

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  • According to rugby365, John Mitchell’s move is a done deal- they say that Stonehouse, Fourie du Preez and/or Matfield on the cards to replace

  • Comment 87, posted at 05.08.18 19:40:50 by Julesgr8ter Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 76) : Nailed it.

  • Comment 88, posted at 06.08.18 09:56:24 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 66) : @coolfusion (Comment 67) : Quoting television viewership from the article SA had 26.6mil. All the rest combined was only 23.4mil (with NZ covering 10.4mil). So in pure viewership numbers SA has more than double the rest but yet NZ and OZ seemingly decides the format!?
    As for crowd attendance I did an article in 2017 showing average crow attendance for 2011 to 2017:
    Stormers – 35 000
    Bulls – 30 800
    Kings – 30 000
    Lions – 25 750
    Sharks – 24 600
    Cheetahs – 18 800
    Even with 20% less game attendance the Sharks should average about 20 000 per game and that is about 3 000 more than the best NZ teams.

  • Comment 89, posted at 06.08.18 14:21:04 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 89) : Yup and if I’m correct it’s been that way for a good few years if not for most of the competition’s history? I wonder if SARU is too stupid to know they have the leverage?

  • Comment 90, posted at 06.08.18 14:43:07 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 90) : nope just not worried as they’re pushing other agendas!

  • Comment 91, posted at 06.08.18 15:28:54 by JD Reply
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