StevieS

Make the numbers work


Written by Stephen Smith (StevieS)

Posted in :Cheetahs, Currie Cup, EP Kings, Original Content, Pro14, Sharks on 7 Aug 2018 at 16:34
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I was reading an interview with John Dobson, the WP Currie Cup coach, and he mentioned that they may use the Kings and Cheetahs to give their fringe players game time in the Pro14 as there are only six games in the league stage of this year’s Currie Cup for each team.

Now that sounds like a brilliant idea to me, and I think the Sharks should jump on board.

We could use the Pro14 as a battleground to harden our most promising youngsters and give them more game time before Super Rugby, while at the same time save money by having the Kings or Cheetahs pay their salaries while they’re away.

This proposal has many benefits:

· Exposure to higher levels of rugby without risk to the Sharks i.e. don’t need to blood inexperienced players in Super Rugby/Currie Cup
· Experience in different weather conditions
· Allowing returning players to get matches under their belts before returning to Super Rugby.
· The opportunity of going on loan and seeing new cities and venues may attract new players to the Sharks junior/senior ranks
· The Sharks coaches can more rapidly see who will and who won’t make the step up to senior rugby
· The loan players can bring back new techniques, training methods and ideas to be utilised by the Sharks

On the flip side, there may be some drawbacks:

· We lose players to the Cheetahs and Kings because they get more game time or because they get more travel opportunities
· Other Pro14 teams may sign them
· They may become negative at being loaned out

I’m sure there are many points I’ve missed, but I’m keen to hear your thoughts on the idea and to see which players you think would benefit with some Pro14 game time.



25 Comments

  • Thanks for the article. The sharks have utilized the loan system in the past(mainly with the kings) and we have had great success with Lukanyo Am having spent a season at the kings. All the issues you mention are accurate and another big one is whether the player is actually going to play. The “Receiving team” is often reluctant to invest in the player if they know he is only available for a limited period. The solution must be a season long loan or a loan as injury cover otherwise the main benefit is a brief reduction in the wage bill.

  • Comment 1, posted at 08.08.18 08:25:25 by Byron Wright Reply
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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 1) : I was under the impression we poached Am from the Kings?

  • Comment 2, posted at 08.08.18 08:31:35 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Sounds a simple idea in theory but has anyone considered the Cheetahs and Kings? They have their own contrcated players currently and dont exactly have huge finances to just take on all these loan players and pay them. And how are their coaches meant to get a team to gel with these players coming and going and not being able to offer stability to those actually contracted fulltime to the team. If WP and the Sharks have fringe guys they not using they must let thme go and the Kings and Cheetahs can decide if they want them or they can look elsewhere. There are far too may players contracted to Franchises that hardly play for them.

  • Comment 3, posted at 08.08.18 08:38:19 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 1) : @SheldonK (Comment 3) : Thanks for the feedback. All good points. I was making the suggestion based on the assumption that we have players contracted for more than a year who we can’t just let go.

  • Comment 4, posted at 08.08.18 08:46:38 by StevieS Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 2) : You’re right. Am went to the Kings from Border

  • Comment 5, posted at 08.08.18 09:26:31 by Baylion Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 3) : The Kings only have 29 contracted players, the last I saw, and need more. This will be Candyland for them

  • Comment 6, posted at 08.08.18 09:31:11 by Baylion Reply

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  • @StevieS (Comment 4) : Yeh look i fully get where your point was coming from. I was just pointing out that we need to consider if the Kings/Cheetahs want and can afford those players we want to send

  • Comment 7, posted at 08.08.18 10:10:16 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 6) : Yes im sure they will welcome the players for the full Pro14 if the Sharks will keep paying them…if not im not sure they can take on more with their finances.

  • Comment 8, posted at 08.08.18 10:11:09 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @StevieS (Comment 4) : I think we signed him from Border and then loaned him out before he played for us. That’s what the Google says.

  • Comment 9, posted at 09.08.18 04:13:40 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 9) : Yup thats right. We signed him but he got injured before playing and when he was fit we loaned him out to get game time

  • Comment 10, posted at 10.08.18 08:10:43 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Who is our back up hooker for Currie Cup? Seem we only have Chilli

  • Comment 11, posted at 10.08.18 14:55:18 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 11) : Good question

  • Comment 12, posted at 10.08.18 17:23:43 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 11) : My guess is kerron v vuuren will have to make the step up.

  • Comment 13, posted at 10.08.18 17:31:07 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 13) : So will Johnny Meyer for Thomas at some point

  • Comment 14, posted at 10.08.18 17:32:23 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 14) : I have confidence that he will step up, he did well in SuperRugby as a sub, so I’m sure he will step up in the CC. My biggest concern is who will back up Johnny in the CC, without Geldenhys, we are very thin at TH in my opinion.

  • Comment 15, posted at 10.08.18 17:42:45 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 15) : Yup for sure. It’s far fetched but maybe they will even consider schoolboy stocks. You are 100% correct re the depth. Schoeman in a pinch but we must have another specialist if Tommie gets called up for bok duty.

  • Comment 16, posted at 10.08.18 17:47:38 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 15) : And kerron is strong looking lad.

  • Comment 17, posted at 10.08.18 17:49:22 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 17) : Always excited to see the young guys step up.

  • Comment 18, posted at 10.08.18 18:20:11 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Off topic:
    Franco Marais after failing the Milk Challenge at Glaws

    https://cdn.soticservers.net/tools/images/players/photos/2018/gloucester/2/220×250/106406.jpg

  • Comment 19, posted at 11.08.18 19:22:43 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 19) : :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 20, posted at 12.08.18 17:59:03 by StevieS Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 19) : nice look for the lad! Still very sad Sharks let him go!

  • Comment 21, posted at 12.08.18 19:15:56 by JD Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 15) : yes Sharks thin at prop! That sad losing 3 Bok props will leave most teams thin for cover!

  • Comment 22, posted at 12.08.18 19:17:38 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 22) : @coolfusion (Comment 16) : Thank goodness the CC season is only 6 matches. If they go with 22 man game day squads, expect poor Johnny Mayer to play 480 minutes (80 minutes in every match).

  • Comment 23, posted at 12.08.18 22:44:52 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • It sure makes a difference from the Cheetahs sending their players to the Sharks.

  • Comment 24, posted at 13.08.18 21:41:03 by Loosehead Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 23) : think even with 23 man squads he will be close to that magical 480 min!

  • Comment 25, posted at 13.08.18 22:01:35 by JD Reply
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