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Bok team for Twickenham


Written by Henk Terblanche (Bokhoring)

Posted in :Springboks on 1 Nov 2018 at 17:30
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Van Zyl gets another start for the Boks at 9. Is this guy honestly the next best scrumhalf in Rassie’s opinion? PSDT moves back to 5 with Thor starting at blindside. Whiteley starts at 8.Rassie has two locks in Lood and Snyman on the bench. Nkosi will hopefully continue where he left off against England from 14.

Interestingly Thomas du Toit is preferred over Trevor Nyakane as the reserve loose head. Esterhuizen makes the bench in place of the expected Kolbe / Aplon.

Springboks: 15 Damian Willemse, 14 Sbu Nkosi, 13 Jesse Kriel, 12 Damian de Allende, 11 Aphiwe Dyantyi, 10 Handré Pollard, 9 Ivan van Zyl, 8 Warren Whiteley, 7 Duane Vermeulen, 6 Siya Kolisi (c), 5 Pieter-Steph du Toit, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Frans Malherbe, 2 Malcolm Marx, 1 Steven Kitshoff
16 Bongi Mbonambi, 17 Thomas du Toit, 18 Wilco Louw, 19 RG Snyman, 20 Lood de Jager, 21 Embrose Papier, 22 Elton Jantjies, 23 André Esterhuizen

England: 15 Elliot Daly, 14 Jack Nowell, 13 Henry Slade, 12 Ben Te’o, 11 Jonny May, 10 Owen Farrell (cc), 9 Ben Youngs, 8 Mark Wilson, 7 Tom Curry, 6 Brad Shields, 5 George Kruis, 4 Maro Itoje, 3 Kyle Sinckler, 2 Dylan Hartley (cc), 1 Alec Hepburn
16 Jamie George, 17 Ben Moon, 18 Harry Williams, 19 Charlie Ewels, 20 Zach Mercer, 21 Danny Care, 22 George Ford, 23 Manu Tuilagi

Referee: Angus Gardner (Australia)
Assistant referees: Jerome Garces (France), Ben Whitehouse (Wales)
TMO: Olly Hodges (Ireland)

 

 



106 Comments

  • Hope he knows what he’s doing as I can make no sense of this team!? No loose forward or outside back replacements!? Also I like Thomas but when last did he play loose head in such a big game!?

  • Comment 1, posted at 01.11.18 17:56:47 by JD Reply
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  • Boks by 20+

  • Comment 2, posted at 01.11.18 18:22:45 by McLovin Reply

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  • So the Boks request to move Thomas to tighthead has been thrown out the window. Why pick 2 locks on the bench- are we that worried about our lineout throwing? Kolisi and Whiteley in a loose trio doesnt work as they do exactly the same thing which means we are a loosie short. Van Zyl at 9 boggles the mind…id rather have Nyakane at 9!! I know Rassie is looking at combinations ahead of the RWC but i have no idea what he is trying to achieve here. In other thoughts i wonder what travel agencies can match the Schalk Britz on tour with the Boks holiday package as it seems pretty good?

  • Comment 3, posted at 02.11.18 08:02:26 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 3) : According to Rassie van Zyl has been selected because of his tactical game. Hahaha

  • Comment 4, posted at 02.11.18 08:04:07 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 4) : Rassie is quickly turning into a Hyneke Meyer…and if results dont go his way he will end his first year worse than Alistair Coetzee. I really hope the Boks do well but looking at this team setup i cant help but think they are setup for failure.

  • Comment 5, posted at 02.11.18 08:25:18 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 5) : Any Bok coach (however deranged they all become eventually) has my sympathy. It is probably the worst coaching job in the world. You have rabid fans like us who expect nothing less than victory in every match, plus we are generally organized in strong provincial groups. Most of your better players in the pool are leaving the country to play in Europe – adding club vs country contests. Then you still have to deal with a bunch of administrators who mostly are just there to look after themselves. Then the politicians and labour unions who go after you due to the demographics of the team being to their liking.

    Only a raving lunatic will actually apply for this job, and it is clear as the job goes on these tendencies in the coach’s personality is exacerbated.

  • Comment 6, posted at 02.11.18 08:38:53 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 6) : Oh ya, fully agree…you have to be mental to take the Bok coaching job. Take the best coach in the world and impose the same conditions as our Bok coaches have to deal with and guarantee they head for the hills very quickly! SARU also need to stop orgainisng games outside of the test window as its very disruptive…but then we talking SARU and sense and well lets not go down that road…

  • Comment 7, posted at 02.11.18 08:47:38 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 6) : @SheldonK (Comment 7) : Fully agree – one would hope though that once they got the job they would just zip their mouths and get on with the job – weighing up who is more important to impress and who you want to offend less every time before you open your mouth will eventually trip one up big time. Rather just have a policy of being shtum and let someone else make the noises.

  • Comment 8, posted at 02.11.18 09:15:02 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 6) : @SheldonK (Comment 7) : @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 8) : And furthermore, none of the Bok coaches are dof – they know exactly what they are letting themselves in for when applying for the job so the sympathy card cannot apply to these guys.

  • Comment 9, posted at 02.11.18 09:18:46 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 9) : Definitely not the sympathy card but general consensus is that they must be slightly mad so guess have to factor that into their selections and media noises etc

  • Comment 10, posted at 02.11.18 09:30:31 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Odd bench. From those he picked to tour (which was not well picked in my view) the starting pack seems about the best he could put out and the backs are fine except 9 but glad Louis cant be blamed if things go bad.

    The bench is where it gets odd. Thomas to cover loosehead? Thanks for the year of work from the sharks converting you but na we actually never needed to sorry.

    2 locks but no loose forwards means PSDT is the loosie cover but he covers 7 and Duane 8 but no one covers 6.

    Andre has obviously been picked to appease us sharks fans as makes little sense to have him as Pollard and Willemse covers 12 but neither covers 13. Can Andre perhaps cover 15? I know he has played a lot on the wing at u20 level.

  • Comment 11, posted at 02.11.18 09:30:39 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 9) : I think it is one of those jobs where you don’t have a clue what it is like until you jump in and do it. Or actually there are subtle hints on display, but due to suffering from a bit of a hero complex you reckon you will be the one that pulls everything together.

  • Comment 12, posted at 02.11.18 09:36:42 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 11) : Strangest one yet Lood who hasn’t played a single game for 5 months gets his first start off the bench against England at H.Q. Even the AB’s wouldn’t throw the far superior Brodie Retalick into a test without at least one serious warm up.
    The no 9 is a total mind fuck,just say Pollard gets injured has Jantjies ever played with van Zyl before .
    I understand Whitely inclusion he is the de facto captain, in everything except name we understand that.
    Then the biggest gamble Willemse at 15 this week ,in his previous 2 games he played 10,then12 now 15.If anything he should be the utility back on the bench not the starting 15.I also seriously question his BMT.If he reverts to type of his last two games who goes to 15.Jaantjies?Andre?or Kriel,

  • Comment 13, posted at 02.11.18 10:03:30 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 13) : I agree on all your points but Like you I am most worried about Willemse! He hasnt played at 15 recently and even when he has I am not convinced he has been that good and there is no cover for him if things go bad.

    Kriel would move to 15 but then who plays 13? Andre and De Allende are specialist 12′s

  • Comment 14, posted at 02.11.18 10:12:34 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 14) : Pollard could move to 12,Jaantjies to 10,no 13.

  • Comment 15, posted at 02.11.18 10:15:16 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 15) : Let’s just hope PSDT doesn’t get injured!!! Which of our locks can cover loosie other than PSDT?

  • Comment 16, posted at 02.11.18 11:44:18 by StevieS Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 16) : That is why Esterhuizen is on the bench. Jake White decided years ago he was a flank :mrgreen:

  • Comment 17, posted at 02.11.18 12:06:37 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 17) : Probably be a lot better than the other options on tour Notshe

  • Comment 18, posted at 02.11.18 12:31:36 by The hound Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 17) : :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 19, posted at 02.11.18 12:35:15 by StevieS Reply
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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 11) : Really? As if Rassie gives a continental what Sharks fans think. Rassie has stated numerous times that he is still experimenting, and building depth for next uear. The test falls outside the test window, so he has to compromise.

  • Comment 20, posted at 02.11.18 12:52:03 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 20) : They’re all in on it. Rassie not picking the right players, the big bad journalists writing mean things about Sharks players. Opposition captains not saying the right things in post match interviews. They’re all out to get the Sharks and upset their fans. It’s all they think about. ;-) :lol:

  • Comment 21, posted at 02.11.18 12:59:44 by McLovin Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 20) : Love when guys get upset with Sharks bias on a sharks supporters site I am very bias towards the sharks, you guys caught me! Well done.

  • Comment 22, posted at 02.11.18 13:09:53 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 22) : Well put, unfortunately they got me too.

  • Comment 23, posted at 02.11.18 14:09:37 by The hound Reply
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  • Even with “Choo choo” van Zyl running the show, the Boks should have too much for an injury depleted English side. If they don’t then Rassie has serious problems in depth.

  • Comment 24, posted at 02.11.18 14:33:20 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 20) : :shock: Did you seriously take that comment about Rassie appeasing the Sharks with Andre seriously – man the Cheetahs not winning a single game, nada, niks, zero in a whole Currie Cup season has been bad medicine for you. :twisted:

    I think the feeling between Sharks fans an Rassie.s are about the same these days – neither really giving a continental for the other. As for building depth, well I think he is still figuring out which team was wearing which jersey in the Bok trial game that was played last Saturday.

  • Comment 25, posted at 02.11.18 16:09:25 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 21) : That captain of yours has still got my goat – one would swear he went to one of those larney, self entitled English schools in the shadow of table mountain.

  • Comment 26, posted at 02.11.18 16:12:39 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 26) : Nothing like a good education. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 27, posted at 02.11.18 16:25:34 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 27) : A good education is wasted without the proper pronunciation and accent.

  • Comment 28, posted at 02.11.18 16:41:59 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 25) : Rassie’s problem with Natal goes back to the time he took over Freestate rugby in 2004 and immediately had one of his brainfarts and for no apparent reason fired Gysie Pienaar from the freestone coaching squad
    .This is the same legend who discovered and polished unknown natal schoolboys playing koshuis rugby at Kosvies, Henry Honnibal and Andre Joubert, amongst many others,anyway Gysie took his revenge on him by moving his prodigiously talented son to the Sharks.
    This set in motion a series of moves where the most talented of the Grey college boys went to the Sharks,Bismarck and Jannie,Frans Steyn, and even Kobus Reinarch and Coenie Oosthuizen,.
    You will notice that none of those guys are in his reckoning,sure some of them have passed their sell by date, but none by as much as Schalk Brits.
    I think last time we played England at Twickenham,there were something like 8 Grey Bloom boys in the squad, Adrian Straus,Flip van der Merwe,notice not one in Erasmus team, he has a long vindictive memory.

  • Comment 29, posted at 02.11.18 16:49:49 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 29) : I’d like a half of what you’re having. :lol:

  • Comment 30, posted at 02.11.18 17:00:12 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 30) : you’re not old enough, stick to the play station.at least there you are a hero

  • Comment 31, posted at 02.11.18 17:02:13 by The hound Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 30) : You do mclove to stir…. :)

  • Comment 32, posted at 02.11.18 17:52:16 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 25) : Yeah man! You are so right. Makes me feel so much better, to rattle some Shark fan cages :razz:
    In all honesty, given the precarious tightrope that Rassie has to walk, I think he has it about spot on.
    I would have had JL on the bench. Beast’s injury has forced his hand, but not a bad thing at all. A victory at Twickers will set the tone for the EOYT. For the rest we can call on Faf, Willie, Mostert and maybe some injury returnees. Not sure what to make of Schalk’s situation as in Marx, Akker and Bongi we have enough cover.

    Sharks are looking good for SR 2019, but then I thought that at the beginning of this season :evil:

  • Comment 33, posted at 03.11.18 07:42:57 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 33) : As far as I know Faf is not available for any of these games – otherwise he would have been named in the squad like Willie

  • Comment 34, posted at 03.11.18 08:09:41 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 33) : I think one thing you will see today is if the books are a team or just a shell. The shell being a team with a fatal dependency on those key players we mention so often.

  • Comment 35, posted at 03.11.18 12:59:16 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Great catch from Nkosi after perfect cross kick from Pollard.

  • Comment 36, posted at 03.11.18 17:18:56 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • England’s discipline is shocking after Itoji already getting a yellow

  • Comment 37, posted at 03.11.18 17:20:42 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Nkosi plants May behind the goal line. Unfortunately England has a scrum adcantage

  • Comment 38, posted at 03.11.18 17:28:31 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Boks making a lot of mistakes in the England 22

  • Comment 39, posted at 03.11.18 17:32:03 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Bok scrum silences Twickenham with a massive scrum. But then Marx overthrows again

  • Comment 40, posted at 03.11.18 17:34:30 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • So Marx and bongi in 2 consecutive weeks can’t find their jumpers and akker has to sit at home

  • Comment 41, posted at 03.11.18 17:35:40 by jdolivier Reply

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  • Boks doing all the play but one handling error after the other

  • Comment 42, posted at 03.11.18 17:37:01 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • The bokke are keeping England in the game, the home side is actually nowhere

  • Comment 43, posted at 03.11.18 17:37:43 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 43) : Boks all over them in all facets of the game

  • Comment 44, posted at 03.11.18 17:38:33 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Nkosi scores after some great handling from the Boks

  • Comment 45, posted at 03.11.18 17:39:49 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Ellendig is actually having a very good game

  • Comment 46, posted at 03.11.18 17:40:38 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • 8-3

  • Comment 47, posted at 03.11.18 17:40:59 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 44) : What an amazing passage of play, if I had been colorblind I would have sworn it was the all blacks scoring there

  • Comment 48, posted at 03.11.18 17:41:22 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 46) : Sad to agree, but yes

  • Comment 49, posted at 03.11.18 17:41:37 by jdolivier Reply

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  • 10 handling errors for the bokke

  • Comment 50, posted at 03.11.18 18:16:34 by jdolivier Reply

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  • Angus Gardner gives the match to England after a shoulder charge by Farrel is ignored in kickable distance

  • Comment 51, posted at 03.11.18 18:57:21 by jdolivier Reply

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  • Akker, Rob and JL must be sitting looking at Rassies now 45% win ratio (worst since Carel du Plessis in 1997) and laughing their heads off.

    I hope to see Rob Snr one day get a go at the Bok job.

  • Comment 52, posted at 04.11.18 03:48:50 by Nostraseth Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 29) : Always appreciate your interesting historical tidbits.

  • Comment 53, posted at 04.11.18 03:56:42 by Nostraseth Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 30) : My new drinking game is ‘how many WP players can Rassie injure before the end of the year?’, considering how many he has selected I am going to go with several. For your sake let’s hope Eben will be the last.

  • Comment 54, posted at 04.11.18 04:04:19 by Nostraseth Reply
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  • Too much smoke being blown up Marx’s ass I am afraid. You can’t be the “best hooker” in the world until you can be consistent at doing your primary job.

    Rassie should also take this loss on the chin. You are not going to get anywhere on attack with van Zyl at the base – he wastes precious time at each ruck deciding what to do. The kicking game from the Boks was generally poor – what is with kicking the ball away at the end of the first half? Not a lot of thought going into the kicks, and execution also mostly poor.

    Let’s not kid ourselves – this is a poor England team (missing 17 players will do that to a team). It has petulant players with Itoje leading from the front that gives away penalties.

    It should not have come down to a ref’s decision at the end of the game. The Boks could have put England away in the first half.

  • Comment 55, posted at 04.11.18 07:33:36 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @jdolivier (Comment 51) : It is clear that his shoulder was pointed (due to arm trailing) and it made contact with Andre’s head as well.

  • Comment 56, posted at 04.11.18 08:01:41 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @jdolivier (Comment 51) : It is clear that his shoulder was pointed (due to arm being trailing) and it made contact with Andre’s head as well.

  • Comment 57, posted at 04.11.18 08:01:41 by Bokhoring Reply

     
  • @Bokhoring (Comment 56) : Imagine if that had been the other way around, Farrel would probably have died, and Andre would never have played rugby again.
    Still as bad as it was we should have wrapped up the game long before that.
    So many of the coaches dumb selections were instrumental in this loss.Marx threw appallingly,but when that became apparent why wasn’t nipped in the bud Pieter Steph was calling the line outs,and he kept on calling the one throw that Marx could not complete, why not go for a safer option.Better still if your hooker is having a mare sub him, took Erasmus till the 75 th min to do that’s much faith he had in the replacement .
    Thomas surprisingly looked like a player who hadn’t played in his position for over a year, Lood looked like a player who hadn’t touched a rugby ball in 6 months.,
    and my biggest bug bear,youre in a 1 point game you still have every chance why replace your 9 ,15, with 5 minutes to go.
    Throwing a raw kid like Papier into the deep end like that says helluva lot about the brains trust of this outfit

  • Comment 58, posted at 04.11.18 08:47:28 by The hound Reply
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  • @Nostraseth (Comment 52) : Really dude? The season isn’t over, and already you are comparing Rassie to Carel? WTF are you smoking man? Rassie has restored credibility in the boks, despite experimenting and increasing the depth. I too want to see JL, Akker, and even Dan in the bok setup, but your comments are really pathetic. Why don’t you just make the poor numb nuts like Bosch and April boks too?

  • Comment 59, posted at 04.11.18 14:51:57 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 58) : Carel only coached for a season, so I’m not sure why it’s incorrect to compare the two?

  • Comment 60, posted at 04.11.18 19:31:23 by Karl Reply

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  • England was really mediocre and ridden with errors. We still managed to lose against them, youngsters or not there is no excuse.

  • Comment 61, posted at 05.11.18 06:17:10 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Karl (Comment 59) : Carel coached 8 matches, and lost 5, including 2 losses vs AB. One a 55-35 hammering. Also had a gimme as his first test vs Tonga. Rassie’s first 8 matches, yielded 5 wins, including an away win vs AB. No easy matches there. Add in the fact that Carel didn’t have to adhere to stupid demographics. As much as I rated Carel as a coach, it is a poor comparison, akin to grasping at a straw tobeat Rassie witj.

  • Comment 62, posted at 05.11.18 07:28:46 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • The Boks played the better rugby but lost due to the number of missed lineouts and poor leadership in terms of game management. With our lineouts being woeful why did we keep kicking for the corner? Shuld have taken the points. Then with the game almost over we had a number of opportunities to attempt a drop goal from basically in front but tried to go for the try. Pollard’s missed penalty at the end. A lot of people will point to the tackle at the end and say thats why we lost- utter rubbish.

  • Comment 63, posted at 05.11.18 08:30:41 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 62) : Agree! The tactics and finishing cost us the match. Marx’s lineout woes detract from his other attributes. Unfortunately we can’t afford a hooker that can’t find his jumpers at such crucial field positions. Fair call to call to the front of the lineout, but in all fairness, an international hooker should be able to hit his jumpers 9/10 times. The ref was also poor! Sure we got some calls our way too, but those were marginal, and not in critical times of the match. Gardner did certainly aid in a narrow loss.

  • Comment 64, posted at 05.11.18 09:01:23 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 63) : Yes the ref missed a couple calls and the scrum penalty Farrell kicked to win the game should have been a Bok penalty. But he also missed quite a few things from us that other refs would have dished out cards for. Cannot blame the ref for this loss. Boks were very poor in the 2nd half. Will be interesting to see what and if Rassie changes for France- they will be tough to beat as also under pressure like England was.

  • Comment 65, posted at 05.11.18 09:21:15 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Good to hear the normally sanctimonious out there also bleating about the ref – let it be a Sharks fan pointing out the obvious then its always seen as whinging.

    Anyway this was a woeful, depleted English team – we should have buried them. Methinks one of Alister Coetzee’s teams would have been too good for this English team. :twisted:

  • Comment 66, posted at 05.11.18 10:24:54 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 61) : We don’t need a straw because we have a stick its called his win percentage which as you correctly point out is getting worse.

  • Comment 67, posted at 05.11.18 10:25:19 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • Going to be interesting to see what changes Rassie makes for France. Euro players Kolbe, Willie, Louw,Koch and possibly Mostert back in contention i believe. Chances of Schalk Brits actually putting boots on this tour?

  • Comment 68, posted at 05.11.18 10:46:10 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 57) : Rassies problem with his hooker stocks is not only a matter of trust but also one of fitness – Dobson, after the Currie Cup final, said that at half time Bongi was absolutely finished – had absolutely nothing left in the tank. Taking that into consideration Marx could not be subbed until at least half time and even that would be taking a massive risk considering that the Boks would probably have to close the game out with a totally knackered key player for the last 5-10 minutes.

    Makes Akkers omission even more relevant.

  • Comment 69, posted at 05.11.18 10:47:26 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 57) : As an older statesman here I presume you remember Tommy Bedford very well – if so try and get your hands on this last Sundays Rapport newspaper and read Bokkie Gerbers column “Aakker jy mag maar Bedford se saluut gee”, you will enjoy it. I just hope Rassie read it as well.

  • Comment 70, posted at 05.11.18 10:53:46 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • If i had to tweak Rassie’s team to play France:
    1. Kitshoff 2. Marx 3. Louw 4. Snyman 5. Mostert 6. Kolisi 7. PSDT 8. Vermuelen 9. Papier 10. Pollard 11. Dyanti 12. Esterhuizen 13. DeAllende 14. Nkosi 15. Le Roux
    Bench: Nyakane, Brits, DuToit, DeJager, Whiteley, Schreuder, Jantjies, Willemse

  • Comment 71, posted at 05.11.18 12:42:09 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 66) : If you want to focus on the winning percentage only, go break a leg dude! Given where we were when Rassie took over, I see positives. AC lost by huge margins, embarrassing margins. Don’t put the cart before the horse. Boks will keep learning and growing. Tour isn’t over. We win the last three and all of a sudden he is successful?

  • Comment 72, posted at 05.11.18 12:53:03 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 70) : You think Max deserves a shot at redemption? My team would be the same, though I may go withIvan the Terrible.

  • Comment 73, posted at 05.11.18 12:56:06 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 72) : If the next best hooker on tour was bang on with his throwing then yes change but he isnt so Marx has a redemption. I thought Papier’s passing was a lot crisper and longer than Van Zyl so Boks got some good width from it and England rush defense struggled then. My bench would not be everyones choice but ive gone with gusy who would provide something different to what the starters do

  • Comment 74, posted at 05.11.18 13:15:10 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 71) : I agree that Rassie has turned the Boks from embarrassing under AC to being respected again. But AC and Heineke before him were heavily handicapped by SARU. Rassie has been given every opportunity to succeed. You also mentioned demographics? Are you implying that the players of colour in the team are not there on merit? If so then you need to wake up and smell the coffee. Whilst I may not like certain selections and think that certain other players(black or white ) should be there instead, one cannot say that a team is handicapped because of non white players! Players of colour are handicapped by being given little opportunity to prove themselves – 3 – 5 minutes at the end. I am not being political here but think that every player should be treated equally. ELTON, EMBROSE and MBONAMBI came on minute 75. Against AB’s Mbonambi was immediately subbed after that missed throw in. Marx stayed on for 75 minutes. Kolisi was subbed for a lock early in the 2nd half. These guys are not even my favourites as I think that Akker , Reinach/Wright and the Du Preez boys should have been selected instead . Once again I am not being political or advocating for quotas. All I’m saying is be fair. If someone is playing badly sub him , no matter who he is. If the game is tight and you dont want to use your bench, it’s fine. But don’t give guys 3 minutes just to show politicians that you are complying with some silly mandate.

  • Comment 75, posted at 05.11.18 13:48:03 by sudhir Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 71) : If he wins all three he still wouldn’t be all that successful but certainly better. There are positives and no one is going to try tell you he is a worse coach than Coetzee but that is a very low standard.

    When history looks back at coaches they look 1st at trophies and then at win percentages so I see no reason why Rassie should be held to a different standard?

  • Comment 76, posted at 05.11.18 13:52:11 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • I am assuming that Rassie is lining up the Scotland game to give guys like Brits,Nyakane, Schickerling, Notshe, Schreuder, Peterson, Mapoe a run…

  • Comment 77, posted at 05.11.18 14:35:01 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I see Faf DeKlerk is now available so guessing that means Louis Schreuder joins the Schalk Brits sightseeing tour

  • Comment 78, posted at 05.11.18 14:39:43 by SheldonK Reply

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  • If I was Faf I would develop an injury – we saw a perfect example on Saturday of how to remove yourself from contention of the World Player of the Year contest by Malcolm Marx. A crap game in the next 3 outings and his stocks take a dip.

  • Comment 79, posted at 05.11.18 14:45:37 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 78) : Yup marx pretty much out the running now unless he has 3 magial games.

  • Comment 80, posted at 05.11.18 14:55:00 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 79) : He will have to play out of his socks. People often remember the bad before the really good. For me, its 2 days after the England game and if I think of Marx, I think of SA vs New Zealand at Newlands last year – the perfect game played by a hooker.

  • Comment 81, posted at 05.11.18 16:45:46 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 77) : I see that Schreuder is also going to Sale Sharks for 3 months- perhaps he will leave Boks while he is in the UK and just join Rob jnr- no use wasting flights! :lol: I must confess that this whole overseas vibe does irritate me a tad – the other guys all get to do pre-season and these chaps just saunter back when SR starts – and are immediately in the starting line up!

  • Comment 82, posted at 05.11.18 17:17:16 by Julesgr8ter Reply
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  • @Julesgr8ter (Comment 81) : NB**** apologies everyone – I misread the article – Schreuder isn’t off to Sale Sharks!!

  • Comment 83, posted at 05.11.18 17:24:37 by Julesgr8ter Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 58) : ‘Worst record since’ is not a comparison, it’s a statistical fact. Whether or not 11 games is enough to start comparing, is personal opinion.

  • Comment 84, posted at 06.11.18 05:24:41 by Nostraseth Reply
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  • @sudhir (Comment 74) : Chill your heels man. Not implying anything. Any restrictions are a handicap. Nkosi, Mapimpi, Dyanti etc are some of my favourite players. My point is Carel didn’t have to worry about picking a certain number of POC. It is a stupid system at test level. For the Cheetahs some of my favourite players are POC. Ox, Dweba ( this kid is the next bok thing), Pokomela and Mohoje.

  • Comment 85, posted at 06.11.18 08:08:36 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 77) : He was not named in the squad, as I believe there was some deal between SA Rugby and his club.

    I wonder how much this has to do with the visuals of him sitting in the stands. Actually ridiculous that these clubs insist on not releasing the players, and then not even using him in Friday’s game.

    I personally still would like Faf to take more of a back seat. Rassie urgently needs to find another 9 that can at least sustain the Bok’s attacking momentum.

  • Comment 86, posted at 06.11.18 08:11:10 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Nostraseth (Comment 83) : Indeed. That said, we all know how stats can be used. I prefer to look at the bigger picture. Are the boks improving and becoming a power again. Emphatically yes. Rassie is still in the infancy of his coaching career as bok coach, and there are a lot of positives.

  • Comment 87, posted at 06.11.18 08:29:46 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • Rassie does sarcasm pretty well: https://twitter.com/betcoza/status/1059680587072634880

  • Comment 88, posted at 06.11.18 08:31:24 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Guys please let’s stay clear of politics and comply to site rules.

  • Comment 89, posted at 06.11.18 09:00:19 by JD Reply
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  • Let’s rather talk about how Butch James can now become tackle coach for the Bokke! :twisted:

  • Comment 90, posted at 06.11.18 09:00:47 by JD Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 85) : Fully agree. Same with Willie LeRoux to an extent

  • Comment 91, posted at 06.11.18 09:23:27 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 87) : :lol:

  • Comment 92, posted at 06.11.18 09:33:47 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 85) : @SheldonK (Comment 90) : personally I would have liked to see all the “reserves” get a solid run now to see who will step up as possible replacements for Faf and Willie. For this tour results is not as important as identifying who will be able to perform during next years World Cup especially if we lose one or two key players! I’d rather lose all 4 games now and win the World Cup than win 3 games now and lose in semi-finals of World Cup!

  • Comment 93, posted at 06.11.18 10:06:13 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 92) : As i said before the England game, if we lose Rassie will most likely go into panic mode and need to get results. As such i feel we can expect the below team vs France:
    1. Kitshoff 2. Marx 3. Malherbe 4. Etzebeth/Snyman 5. Mostert 6. Kolisi 7.PSDT 8. Vermuelen 9. Faf 10. Pollard 11. Dyanti 12. De Allende 13. Kriel 14. Nkosi 14. Le Roux
    Bench: DuToit, Mbonambi, Koch, Snyman/Dejager, Louw, Papier, Jantjies, Esterhuizen

  • Comment 94, posted at 06.11.18 10:23:42 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Guys I saw malherbe walking to and from breakdowns and set pieces this guy looks out of shape. Doesn’t look like he can hack 65minutes should he be playing starting th prop?

  • Comment 95, posted at 06.11.18 11:46:30 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 94) : Ever since he came back from injury he has been like that, Wilco Louw not much better as neither offer anything away from the scrum and lineout which they can walk to. I do have a feeling Vincent Koch will be in the mix this weekend

  • Comment 96, posted at 06.11.18 12:01:15 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 93) : Looks about right but Kolbi will be on the bench in place of Andre.

  • Comment 97, posted at 06.11.18 13:11:20 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 96) : True very possible

  • Comment 98, posted at 06.11.18 13:16:37 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 95) : Well we sharks know first hand how vital an energetic and charged up th can be and how bad a slouch can be I wonder if Rassie isn’t doing himself a disservice keeping a sub par man at such a vital position it adds to the workload if the other forwards. Is he without options or does he just like unnecessary strain?

  • Comment 99, posted at 06.11.18 14:44:13 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 98) : Good question. I feel he is maybe a bit worried about the scrum. But he needs to tell those 2 to get their fitness levels up

  • Comment 100, posted at 06.11.18 15:42:44 by SheldonK Reply

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  • As usual a very good analysis of the England game by Oom Rugby https://www.alloutrugby.com/boks-needed-willemse-ball/

  • Comment 101, posted at 06.11.18 16:49:05 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 84) : All good. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

  • Comment 102, posted at 06.11.18 17:50:18 by sudhir Reply

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  • @sudhir (Comment 101) : No apolgy required at all :razz:

  • Comment 103, posted at 06.11.18 20:26:24 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • Even Rudolf Straeuli has found a niche in Lions rugby and contributes positively. :shock:
    Strools had a niche at the Sharks and was also delivering very nicely thank you very much. Its what he does. Wait till the Bulls get their hands on him.

  • Comment 104, posted at 08.11.18 12:39:02 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 104) : You know he declined the bulls job, right? Staying at Lions

  • Comment 105, posted at 08.11.18 12:58:58 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 105) : Now I know.

  • Comment 106, posted at 08.11.18 14:13:50 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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