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Springboks vs France


Written by Stephen Smith (StevieS)

Posted in :End of Year Tour, Original Content, Springboks on 8 Nov 2018 at 15:12
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The Springboks take on France in the 44th meeting between these two teams.

The Boks have won 26, lost 11 and there have been 6 draws.

The Boks are ahead with 910 points scored vs 636.

The foreign contingent of Boks have been rushed back in with 6 changes to the team from last weekend’s game.

Faf returns at 9, Willie at 15, Mostert comes in for the injured Etzebeth and we see Lood make way for Flouw on the bench. Vincent Koch comes in for Wilco Louw and Kolbe comes in for Andre in the last change.

I am disappointed that Andre does not get any continuity and I felt Wilco should have started for Malherbe who doesn’t seem the player he once was.

The Bok Team for Saturday is as follows:

1. Kitshoff
2. Marx
3. Malherbe
4. Du Toit
5. Mostert
6. Kolisi ( c )
7. Vermeulen
8. Whiteley
9. De Klerk
10. Pollard
11. Dyantyi
12. De Allende
13. Kriel
14. Nkosi
15. Le Roux

Reserves:

16. Mbonambi
17. Du Toit
18. Koch
19. Snyman
20. Louw
21. Papier
22. Jantjies
23. Kolbe



137 Comments

  • Well nothing unexpected!?!?!?
    Starting thigh head still a problem as Malherbe still looks out of form.
    Loose trio unbalanced! Playing best 8 in SA at 7 to make space for the “crowd favourite” whilst the standout 7 (PSdT) is shifted to starting lock!?
    Backs once again the tried (and overplayed) tested so little to no chance for backup players to get experience before the World Cup!!!
    On the bench once again picking a tight head (Thomas) as cover for loose head whilst other specialist loose heads enjoy a relaxing holiday tour!?
    At 21 Papier is quickly gathering lots of bench time with little match time whilst the starting 9 from last week is now completely dropped!? Does Rassie have any idea who is his backup 9 for the World Cup because for me it really does not look like it!
    Once again Bokke should win but I still think they’re missing a golden chance to blood new players/youngsters before next years World Cup!!!

  • Comment 1, posted at 08.11.18 15:51:42 by JD Reply
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  • Boks by 26.

  • Comment 2, posted at 08.11.18 16:08:03 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 2) : You had the Boks by 20 against England and they lost by 1. So my prediction is Boks by 5

  • Comment 3, posted at 08.11.18 16:14:20 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 3) : Would have been correct if they could only hold on to the ball or completed an attacking lineout or two. :twisted:

    France to feel the full wrath of the Boks this weekend. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 4, posted at 08.11.18 16:17:19 by McLovin Reply

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  • Starting lineup is pretty good, yes could be tweaks here and there but overall its a good side. Will need to see more from the pack as a collective both in set phases and at ruck time as the French have picked a big pack to get down and dirty. My concern is the bench…on a dry highveld they would be good but on a cold night in Paris with a pitch breaking up and very possibly a tight game im not sure what they can offer. Clearly Thomas DuToit is now seen as a loosehead by the Boks…so wonder what that holds for the Sharks in Super rugby next year. Schalk Britz is still on the best follow the Boks travel package i have ever seen….and seems Louis Schreuder has joined him in that regard.

  • Comment 5, posted at 09.11.18 07:54:30 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I’m not expecting great things ir flair from these forwards as long as they stick to the script and technically execute and contain risk they should be fine. We can then present consistently clean ball to the backs who should be able to bring the flair.

  • Comment 6, posted at 09.11.18 08:55:11 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 5) : also on that “follow the Boks travel package” is Trevor Nyakane.

  • Comment 7, posted at 09.11.18 10:28:35 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 7) : Wonder if there was a group rate? :roll:

  • Comment 8, posted at 09.11.18 10:32:32 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 7) : I wonder what is going on there. Nyakane moved back to loosehead in the Bulls CC games and there was plenty of talk about him packing down there for the Boks.

  • Comment 9, posted at 09.11.18 11:46:02 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 9) : Looking at the props there’s 3 specialist tight heads and only one specialist loose head. I did not see Nyakane play so don’t know how and where he played but I think Thomas look to be settling at tight head (well up to the final). Personally I think the selection is lopsided and would have preferred to see another specialist loose head get game time. Personally I think Thomas will shift back to 3 during next year’s Super rugby so really can’t see logic in playing him as reserve loose head but that does answer the question as to why he was picked in stead of Coenie.

  • Comment 10, posted at 09.11.18 12:30:45 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 8) : probably :twisted:

  • Comment 11, posted at 09.11.18 12:33:54 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 10) : I think the RWC props will come from the following barring injury:
    Loosehads: Kitshoff/Beast/DuToit/Nyakane
    Tightheads: Malherbe/Louw/Koch/Coenie
    Outside bets for Ox Nche and Alistair Vermaak

  • Comment 12, posted at 09.11.18 12:39:53 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 10) : I agree with Thomas shifting. Beast is getting on and coenie still has some mileage Johny Meyer can become his backup we need a beast replacement.

  • Comment 13, posted at 09.11.18 18:30:46 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Meanwhile ( yes just a little bit off-topic I know ! ) I’ve just got to go on record by saying it’s been a real good week or so to be a Proud Currie Cup Champion in the Magical MotherCity … :lol: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 14, posted at 09.11.18 21:29:32 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 14) : enjoy it as I’m sure you got a fair bit of abuse last year!

  • Comment 15, posted at 10.11.18 08:46:06 by JD Reply
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  • Connie’s absence from this tour is a disgrace, ultimate Bok front row. Kitzhoff,Marx and Oosthuizen,sounds like an apartheid era law firm, with Thomas,Akker and Malherbe for the last 20 min.
    That is how you win a World Cup.

  • Comment 16, posted at 10.11.18 08:47:17 by The hound Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 13) : it will depend on what Thomas wants to do. As for replacement for Beast must say Schoeman really stepped up during the Currie Cup and deserve a spot I’m Super rugby team.

  • Comment 17, posted at 10.11.18 08:48:55 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 17) : Absofuckinglutely agree, he has stepped up big time.

  • Comment 18, posted at 10.11.18 12:09:54 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 18) : Agree but Meyet get so little real airtime how can we assess him? But yes sharks have options at TH however LH is opening a gap now.

  • Comment 19, posted at 10.11.18 15:51:52 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 17) : I get the feeling Tommy is such a trooper he plays where he is told how much is really his own choice and how much is for the team and springboks needs at one point

  • Comment 20, posted at 10.11.18 15:53:26 by coolfusion Reply

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  • England bossing the all blacks thus far, maybe our loss is not the catastrophe we thought

  • Comment 21, posted at 10.11.18 17:34:24 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 21) : Give it a minute. If you Scotland vs England you would know that moaning about the lost penalty is an inditement of poorly we actually performed against a misfiring team.

  • Comment 22, posted at 10.11.18 17:36:38 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 22) : We butchered 3 opportunities to score, but it does put the English performance into perspective. Just maybe we weren’t that bad is all I me3

  • Comment 23, posted at 10.11.18 17:52:32 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 23) : *meant

  • Comment 24, posted at 10.11.18 17:52:49 by jdolivier Reply

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  • England’s tackling the ball is very effective

  • Comment 25, posted at 10.11.18 18:46:14 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Haha. England’s try has been disallowed due to marginal off-side.

  • Comment 26, posted at 10.11.18 18:54:03 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Payback

  • Comment 27, posted at 10.11.18 18:59:50 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • France stealing ball from our one off runners lije candy

  • Comment 28, posted at 10.11.18 22:19:46 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Boks not getting any momentum with ball in hand. Too many turnovers

  • Comment 29, posted at 10.11.18 22:43:09 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Thomas is running us ragged

  • Comment 30, posted at 10.11.18 22:44:34 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • French hooker breaks through after Boks manage to stop the maul. 16-9 France

  • Comment 31, posted at 10.11.18 22:48:09 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Poor basic error by the Boks in the French 22…try at the other end to France…
    Meh…

  • Comment 32, posted at 10.11.18 22:48:35 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Mistake after mistake

  • Comment 33, posted at 10.11.18 22:49:17 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 33) : yeah, not great…

  • Comment 34, posted at 10.11.18 22:51:03 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Boks having to make plenty tackles. The little ball we get we immediately hand back.

  • Comment 35, posted at 10.11.18 22:54:20 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Low energy rugby from the Boks – even Faf very slow behind the rucks

  • Comment 36, posted at 10.11.18 22:59:50 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • France scores another one. We are in trouble

  • Comment 37, posted at 10.11.18 23:09:25 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • 23-9

  • Comment 38, posted at 10.11.18 23:10:02 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • And Nkosi makes up for his costly error and scores the Boks first try

  • Comment 39, posted at 10.11.18 23:11:03 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • 23-16

  • Comment 40, posted at 10.11.18 23:11:41 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • And Ellendig gets his first ball from Pollard in the 2nd half

  • Comment 41, posted at 10.11.18 23:12:54 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • French 10′s up and unders are really perfect – causing us major problems

  • Comment 42, posted at 10.11.18 23:15:38 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • 23-19. Pollard kicking well tonight

  • Comment 43, posted at 10.11.18 23:19:35 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Rassie sends in the midget squad

  • Comment 44, posted at 10.11.18 23:24:38 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Boks playing much better now…

  • Comment 45, posted at 10.11.18 23:33:19 by pastorshark Reply
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  • As I say that…more rubbish…

  • Comment 46, posted at 10.11.18 23:34:09 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Fair call from Nigel.

  • Comment 47, posted at 10.11.18 23:39:15 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 47) : Do you think Gardener would have given anything for that? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 48, posted at 10.11.18 23:42:11 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 48) : Hehe

  • Comment 49, posted at 10.11.18 23:43:33 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • French tackler knocks the ball out of Kolbe’s hand. No try

  • Comment 50, posted at 10.11.18 23:44:37 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Ref is really favouring the French

  • Comment 51, posted at 10.11.18 23:47:20 by byron Reply

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  • Oh…my…word…
    We can be so kak sometimes…

  • Comment 52, posted at 10.11.18 23:48:34 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Time running out…
    …and Pollard stuffs up a bog standard catch…

  • Comment 53, posted at 10.11.18 23:50:38 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Oh…my…word…

  • Comment 54, posted at 10.11.18 23:55:04 by pastorshark Reply
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  • All the confidence of the All Black games peepee’d away…

  • Comment 55, posted at 10.11.18 23:57:00 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Lucky lucky Boks

  • Comment 56, posted at 10.11.18 23:58:05 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Another no try

  • Comment 57, posted at 11.11.18 00:00:28 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Oh boy…

  • Comment 58, posted at 11.11.18 00:01:24 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Mbonambi scores to win

  • Comment 59, posted at 11.11.18 00:02:03 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Have to feel for France. Must feel like the Sharks in 2007

  • Comment 60, posted at 11.11.18 00:02:41 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Well done, Mbonambi…

  • Comment 61, posted at 11.11.18 00:02:57 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Still way too much rubbish for my liking…but we’ll take a burgled win!!

  • Comment 62, posted at 11.11.18 00:07:16 by pastorshark Reply
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  • But those last 4 minutes after the hooter were just brilliant…

  • Comment 63, posted at 11.11.18 00:08:27 by pastorshark Reply
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  • How good was Snyman when he came on? Every time he got the ball he got us over the advantage line. This is his best game since his debut.

  • Comment 64, posted at 11.11.18 08:09:28 by Hulk Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 64) : And how shit was Kolisi
    The thing I hate about Mallett he doesn’t hold back on criticising Faf and Willie who did both have shit games but not one word about the captain.
    Fairs fair if you are going to get personal and use your platform on national T.V to attack players then at least have the balls to be consistent across the board.

  • Comment 65, posted at 11.11.18 09:11:31 by The hound Reply
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  • Makes me realize that performance stats just based on scores can be scary off the mark. It had the potential to give a false sense if security. Rassie in the news said he is closing the door on any further overseas players being called back. Is that false confidence in a team still hasn’t shown capability or is it a risk aversion to consistency (which he hasn’t shown satisfactorily). I cannot in any universe see you closing the door to Bismarck Marcell or Pat we DONT have that luxury.

  • Comment 66, posted at 11.11.18 11:19:33 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 66) : He also hasn’t addressed the scrum half issue in my mind. If papier and van Zyl are it, we are in trouble before we even start the rec campaign. Not to mention the right center pairs. Andre has a lot of value to add but is still a fringe player at this stage and what happened to Rohan jvr and Francois Venter surely they must still be considered?

  • Comment 67, posted at 11.11.18 11:32:15 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 66) : The press reported it as ‘closing the door’.

    Rassie said: “I do have my eyes on a few guys in key positions if we have to bring someone in,” he said.

    “A guy like Pat Lambie or Bismarck du Plessis, you know what you have in them, but unless we have big injuries, I don’t think we will have more overseas guys involved than what we have currently in our team.

    “We have generally had about 34 or 36 players in our squad, but we are obviously keeping an eye on the World Cup where you can only take a squad of 31,” he said on Thursday.

    Surely it makes sense. He has four hookers currently and will need as much access to players as possible next year. No point in bringing in overseas players if they have not been involved thus far and can only attend limited training camps.

    Also, Bismarck is out for at least 2 months for neck surgery.

    Somewhat sensationalist reporting is all it is.

  • Comment 68, posted at 11.11.18 13:23:19 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 68) : So to my point is he being conservative to keep consistency which is a valid reason if you can prove you actually have attained consistency. At the moment I think that has not been ticked off the list so there is still opportunity to close the door. That as I said in my opinion. If we look at the past two games we see a lack of oppertunist play in midfield where we either picked the wrong guy at firts receiver or the guy like Kriel just doesn’t have the instincts.

  • Comment 69, posted at 11.11.18 13:33:42 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 69) : I could have seen a guy like Jean de Villiers (if he still played) or Francois Venter exploiting those chances better the instinct slowed and sometimes killed those chances.

  • Comment 70, posted at 11.11.18 13:36:16 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 69) : Agree. But now is not the time to gamble imo. As good as those players you mentioned might be, we have no idea whether they would be any different/better in the same situation. Suppose that’s the joy of debating the unknown.

    I reckon Rassie and co are slowly building an experienced team with a clear game plan. Might not be pretty, results might not always go our way right now and mistakes will be made. But for the first time in years, despite the perceived lack of flair & creativity and the odd loss, I am actually not embarrassed by the ineptitude of the Boks.

    Suppose only time will tell. :smile:

  • Comment 71, posted at 11.11.18 14:09:49 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 71) : for me the main reason for concern is the lack of game time for who ever is the reserve 9 (& 15)! Surely now is the time to give youngsters a change to build experience before the World cup even if it means losing games now!

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  • I have no idea how the French lost that game as they bossed it for 75min with the Boks not playing any rugby but just trying to stop French attacks then kick the ball back and repeat.

  • Comment 73, posted at 12.11.18 08:15:51 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 72) : Much as I agree with you, the vagaries of being a coach in SA is of such a nature, that most supporters are watching your win/lose stats, keenly anticipating your failure, rather than focussing on a process. Rassie took over when bok rugby was at a really low point, and I believ he has been brave in giving new players a n opportunity. With WC in mind, I di think we arr in pretty good shape. With a squad of 31 I would go for:
    LH: Kitshoff, Beast
    Hkr: Marx, Mbonambi, Akker
    TH: Wilco, Coenie, Nyakane, Thomas
    Locks: Eben, Lood, Mostert, PSDT
    Loosies: Kolisi, Vermeulen, Brink, JL duP, Whiteley
    SH: Faf, van Zyl, Papier
    FH: Pollard, Jantjies
    Centre: DDA, Serfontein, Am, Kriel
    Wings: Nkosi, Mapimpi, Dyanti
    FB: Willie, Willemse, Gelant

  • Comment 74, posted at 12.11.18 08:19:04 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • Rassie needs to drop his ego and perhaps so do some fans and this needs to be the team selected for Scotland:
    1. Kitshoff 2. Mbonambi 3. Koch 4. Snyman 5. Mostert 6. Kolisi (default) 7. PSDT 8. Vermuelen 9. Papier 10. Jantjies 11. Peterson 12. Pollard 13. Nel 14. Nkosi 15. Le Roux
    Bench: DuToit, Britz, Louw, JD Schickerling, Louw, Schreuder, Esterhuizen, Willemse
    If he isnt going to paly these guys this week then its a complete waste taking them on tour

  • Comment 75, posted at 12.11.18 08:20:21 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 74) : Agree with majority of your selection. Our loosies are not balanced though. Jaco Kriel, Marcel Coetzee and Kwagga Smith added to Kolisi, Vermeulen , JL Du Preez will give us more options. 2nd SH can’t be Van zyl – Reinach, Cronje better experienced options. Kolbe needs a run at Full back.

  • Comment 76, posted at 12.11.18 09:05:15 by sudhir Reply

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  • Rotation during the RWC is going to be vital. We lost key players just before the playoffs in recent years due to injury.

  • Comment 77, posted at 12.11.18 09:10:32 by sudhir Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 75) : Mbonambi based on what merit? One try? The options at Hooker are numerous and way better if Rassie truly dropped his ego…

  • Comment 78, posted at 12.11.18 10:03:27 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 78) : Just based on who is on tour and resting Marx for Wales. If other 2 cant get it done vs Scotland then Rassie has no faith in them and they shouldnt be in the squad

  • Comment 79, posted at 12.11.18 10:25:28 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 79) : So if Marx gets rested it will mean a call up for someone in any case won’t it? His strategy has cleary been to have 3 hookers available regardless of who the two match day guys are? This guy’s ego is preventing him from calling Akker when conditions are now perfect to try him. Let’s see what he does.

  • Comment 80, posted at 12.11.18 10:50:48 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 64) : why are we moving PSdT to lock when we have RG. PSdT must play 7 and Duane 8…in my humble opinion…

  • Comment 81, posted at 12.11.18 10:53:13 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 74) : no RG? I think he is becoming one of our better locks…

  • Comment 82, posted at 12.11.18 10:57:44 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @sudhir (Comment 76) : Would love to see Marcel or Kriel there. Just don’t see it happening at the moment. Even Cloete. Would love Reinach there, but not Ross.

  • Comment 83, posted at 12.11.18 11:11:19 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 81) : Agreed!

  • Comment 84, posted at 12.11.18 11:11:56 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 82) : I rate RG too, just not sure if JL will get a shot at 7. If not, then yes PSDt at 7. That said fit Eben/Lood combo will provably be first choice. Mostert and RG very close, with Mostert’s workrate giving him the edge.

  • Comment 85, posted at 12.11.18 11:14:52 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 80) : I cant see him calling anyone up to be honest. I also dont think we will see a change from Marx starting and Mbonambi on the bench. Rassie needs wins so is unlikely to try too much and will go who he thinks is his no.1 side. Those fringe players in the squad are unlikely to play so those not in the the current squad and forget it

  • Comment 86, posted at 12.11.18 11:36:14 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I see all 3 DuPreez boys have now signed short term contracts overseas….Rob and Jean Luc at Sale and Dan at Exeter

  • Comment 87, posted at 12.11.18 11:36:56 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 75) : personally I agree that the rest of the guys on tour must get a chance in either of the last two games but somehow I just can see him picking anything other that what he sees as the strongest team available!
    Lost opportunities!

  • Comment 88, posted at 12.11.18 13:18:19 by JD Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 80) : @SheldonK (Comment 86) : no need to call up another hooker as Marx is still on tour. Marx will just rotate with Brits.

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  • @JD (Comment 88) : Would love to know the cost of keeping those non playing guys on tour as mascots. Should have just used guys based over there if he had injuries

  • Comment 90, posted at 12.11.18 14:07:12 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 87) : I guess we are going to be getting some pretty knackered Du Preez boys back for next season, on the plus side is that ate least we are getting them back. I suppose these short term contracts may become more commonplace in the future.

  • Comment 91, posted at 12.11.18 15:16:03 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 91) : I also feel these short term contracts are the ideal way that these clubs can test these players before offering long term deals. So Sharks players currently playing during off season up until start of Super rugby include: DuPreez x 3, Ruan Botha, Stephan Lewies, Andre Esterhuizen

  • Comment 92, posted at 12.11.18 15:22:20 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 92) : It would be good to know how the Japan based players remuneration packages weigh up against these short term (UK) contract guys. From a Sharks point of view it was great having the Doep boys available for the Currie Cup so heres hoping that they get a good pay cheque which would in future maye keep them and others here playing Currie Cup as opposed to taking up a Japanese contract.

  • Comment 93, posted at 12.11.18 16:30:58 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 91) : On the plus side they are playing without a safety net and learning some new coach’s style of play which will round them off without the union losing them.

  • Comment 94, posted at 12.11.18 17:52:37 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Been checking on Paul Jordan seems he’d become a fitness fanatic. Would be nice to have him back maybe.

  • Comment 95, posted at 12.11.18 18:35:58 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 93) : My only concern is that these short term contracts often lead to much longer deals in the near future. I do realise that we can expect quite a few departures after Super rugby next year especially if the Sharks have a decent year and players value are on the up and they arent a part of the Bok RWC plans which it seems very few are. I think SA unions would prefer the Japanese contracts as at least then the guys are back for Super rugby where as if they head north it usually ends up being permanent

  • Comment 96, posted at 13.11.18 08:18:48 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 95) : yes he is seriously fit! Awesome work ethic! Highly doubt if he will ever return to play rugby in SA.

  • Comment 97, posted at 13.11.18 08:19:20 by JD Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 91) : @SheldonK (Comment 92) : @coolfusion (Comment 94) : I’m not at all in favour of these duel contracts. All of those players are very physical and their bodies and minds need to rest and reset away from the game even if it for only a couple of weeks! Now they will be playing the whole year without a break.
    But I also know that by being allowed to get the extra income some of these players will stay in Durban for longer so I will just have to learn to accept it!
    RdP snr will just have to be clever and really rotate the squad as there’s plenty of options available!

  • Comment 98, posted at 13.11.18 08:35:21 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 98) : Great for the players, really bad for the Sharks

  • Comment 99, posted at 13.11.18 08:36:36 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • So how would the Sharks look if we picked guys that have had a full off season rest since CC:
    1. Beast 2. Akker 3. Coenie 4. Koegelenberg 5. Andrews 6. Stringer 7. Paul 8. Vermuelen 9. Wright 10. Bosch 11. Zas 12. Louw 13. Ward 14. Mapimpi 15. Fassi

  • Comment 100, posted at 13.11.18 08:50:44 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 100) : When will Am be back from injury? Would you have Zas ahead of Mvovo?

  • Comment 101, posted at 13.11.18 08:52:57 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 100) : The bench could be the guys returning so:
    Schoeman, Chilliboy, DuToit, Dan DuPreez, JL DuPreez, Schreuder, Rob DuPreez, Esterhuizen

  • Comment 102, posted at 13.11.18 08:54:28 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 99) : yes great for their bank balance but not so sure it’s all that good for their well being! In every work you need time to step away and smell the roses to ensure you stay motivated and hungry to perform. Playing year round could put a damper on it and cause physical and/or mental fatigue.

  • Comment 103, posted at 13.11.18 08:55:02 by JD Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 101) : Not sure on Am as some thought he may make this Enf of Year Tour but as he is returning id go Ward over him. And isnt Mvovo in Japan? Thats why went Zas. There are going to be some good players missing out when everyone is back, RDP will have to rotate to keep guys happy. Also interesting to see how SARU’ plans to reduce contracted player numbers is adopted as i see the Lions have started to let guys go already

  • Comment 104, posted at 13.11.18 08:56:58 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Faf is definitely not available for the Scotland match. Will Rassie now elevate Papier to start or should we start calling him “Splinters”?

  • Comment 105, posted at 13.11.18 08:59:49 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 104) : Did not realize Mvovo is in Japan as well

  • Comment 106, posted at 13.11.18 09:00:35 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 102) : Strictly speaking Schreuder is just on a SARU sponsored European vacation – so he will be well rested

  • Comment 107, posted at 13.11.18 09:01:34 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 102) : personally I think there must be some player rotation during at least the first half of Super rugby to ensure key players are fit and ready for play-offs. Surely after this years Currie cup there’s enough players that showed the hunger and ability to ensure that rotation is a viable option.
    My biggest concern is the amount of rugby that RdP jnr is playing. If RdP snr does not think Bosch can step up then they must make a plan and get cover before Super rugby.

  • Comment 108, posted at 13.11.18 09:03:56 by JD Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 107) : True, although sight seeing can be tiring at times especially with an energetic tour guide like Schalk Britz :mrgreen:

  • Comment 109, posted at 13.11.18 09:24:20 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 108) : I fully agree. If Bosch is seen mainly as a 15 then id like to see Cameron Wright given a run at 10 as to be honest his career is stalling behind Louis Schreuder at 9

  • Comment 110, posted at 13.11.18 09:26:41 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 110) : that might be a good option if Sharks will have enough cover at 9.

  • Comment 111, posted at 13.11.18 09:36:56 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 109) : Also think the fitness levels will drop from all the pub runs with Britz and the rest of the guys.

  • Comment 112, posted at 13.11.18 09:38:42 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 111) : Grant Williams is a very tidy and quick up and coming scrumhalf, played in that game against Bordeoux

  • Comment 113, posted at 13.11.18 09:39:46 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 105) : Lambie can surly give him some good advice as to not get splinters or “lam boud” from spending all that time on the bench! :twisted:

  • Comment 114, posted at 13.11.18 09:40:01 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 110) : I recall him playing 1 or 2 games at 10 in the CC before he left for France.

  • Comment 115, posted at 13.11.18 09:40:44 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 114) : He needs to chat to the true bench expert turned rugby commentator – “Splinters” Shimange

  • Comment 116, posted at 13.11.18 09:41:47 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 96) : On the other hand the short term contracts over the middle of the European winter may cure them of wanting to spend an extended time there. Im hoping that these short term contracts are pretty lucrative and attrative in their own right so as to give our guys the best of both worlds.

  • Comment 117, posted at 13.11.18 10:50:38 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 116) : hahaha ja boet!

  • Comment 118, posted at 13.11.18 11:28:52 by JD Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 117) : I think a lot would depend on the possibility of a repeat short term contracts over this period. If possibility of repeat is good then guys would be more willing to stay here but if not then i think they could look at securing their financial future with long term deals…guess time will tell

  • Comment 119, posted at 13.11.18 11:30:25 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 115) : I’m sure someone mentioned that he occasionally played 10 during his time in France. Let’s wait and see if they follow our suggestions. :twisted:

  • Comment 120, posted at 13.11.18 11:35:07 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 119) : Yep time will tell but at least there now seems to be another option.

  • Comment 121, posted at 13.11.18 12:11:35 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 121) : The probability of the global season in 2020 will make contracting very interesting as i dont know if dual contracts will then be possible…

  • Comment 122, posted at 13.11.18 12:18:22 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 98) : That actually makes a lot of sense. Don’t phase overworked players in for friendlies and maybe the first 2-3 weeks of SR either.

  • Comment 123, posted at 13.11.18 12:40:54 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 104) : Who have they let go? Was there an announcement?

  • Comment 124, posted at 13.11.18 12:51:03 by StevieS Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 124) : They didnt name names. Just sent out a press release saying that in line with SARU’s request to reduce contracted players they have entered into retrenchment packages with a number of their players. Have a feeling its their junior extended squad players and lik supersport challenge guys mainly

  • Comment 125, posted at 13.11.18 13:01:58 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 125) : Interesting. Thanks for the info

  • Comment 126, posted at 13.11.18 13:37:47 by StevieS Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 126) : Reality is that this is something SARU is actually on the right path about. In our economy we cannot sustain the number of contracted players we have. Unions should operate a match fee system for all u19/u21/Supersport challenge players and contract the top 50 players only, which is basically 2 full match day squads plus an additional front row

  • Comment 127, posted at 13.11.18 13:55:47 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 127) : I agree. Rather retain few players and pay them better so that they stay in S.A.

    It should also ensure all players are rotated and looked after as they will be more highly valued.

  • Comment 128, posted at 13.11.18 14:22:58 by StevieS Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 100) : I think that Bosch is currently on a short term contract in Japan

  • Comment 129, posted at 13.11.18 15:21:05 by Julesgr8ter Reply
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  • @Julesgr8ter (Comment 129) : Oh yes true forgot about that

  • Comment 130, posted at 13.11.18 15:39:37 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Just a thought for comment here…the definition of madness is doing the same thing again but expecting a different result. So in terms of Rassie and the Boks but more so RDP and the Sharks what needs to change or be done differently going forward? I just cant help but feel that if RDP goes with the same expected lineup and same gameplan it will yield the saem average and up and down results as we had this year. Should we not try something a bit out of the box in terms of either players positions or tactics…

  • Comment 131, posted at 14.11.18 12:13:19 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 131) : I agree I just don’t see how the same side as last season will be good enough to win super rugby this season. We a few players short and unless we all of a sudden change the way we play dramatically we can expect similar results.

    Some of the youngsters are a year older and more experience yes but I don’t see that propelling us from 8th to 1st.

    We need an openside flank and a good backup fly-half. Someone (maybe you) mentioned Lionel Cronje which is a very good option.

    The boks need to look at certain stalwarts who have been there since the HM days and see if they add as much value as their reputations suggest. There are some players who have been around throughout a very mediocre period in Bok history and their value must be looked at. Most are there for good reason but some maybe not.

  • Comment 132, posted at 14.11.18 13:22:53 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 132) : In terms of the Sharks i cant see us recruiting more loose forwards as we have plenty on our books especially if Stringer sticks around. Flyhalf we definitely need another option, even a guy that can play 10/12.

  • Comment 133, posted at 14.11.18 13:53:48 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 133) : You are correct that we have plenty loosies but not sure Vermulen of PVDW are really open-side flanks. So we may have stringer who did look promising and that is it.

  • Comment 134, posted at 14.11.18 14:11:10 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 134) : There is also Vosloo who is on our books as more of a 6. I wonder if Van Der Walt can play lock?

  • Comment 135, posted at 14.11.18 14:23:18 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 135) : @Byron Wright (Comment 134) : We need to use the Supersport Challenge to keep our fringe Super Rugby players fit and to give returning players a chance to get game time, instead of only as an u21 team build.

  • Comment 136, posted at 14.11.18 16:35:35 by StevieS Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 135) : I don’t want to be disparaging of a player who I have seldom seen play but is Vosloo the missing link to bring us glory? In my view we short a few world class players and 6 is the one position where there seems to be some scope for bringing in a top player. Van Der Walt should be competing with Dan for the 8 Jersey.

    Imagine our pack with a Marcel Coetzee at 6(I know he wont return because he owes Ulster a few seasons after his injuries) we could be real contenders with a couple additions but too many of our players are just good but not great.

    When I look at our squad I don’t think we can win super rugby. I know we getting a raw deal with Bok call ups but even if we where to get the players we want in we would only have about 7 in the 36 man squad. The were times when we had 6/7 bok starters.

  • Comment 137, posted at 15.11.18 11:42:56 by Byron Wright Reply

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