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Teams for Sharks Bulls warmup


Written by Henk Terblanche (Bokhoring)

Posted in :Super Rugby on 7 Feb 2019 at 13:46

The teams for Saturday’s warmup have been announced.

I assume Thomas du Toit is being given more time for his ankle to heal, but other usual suspects missing from the 33 man squad include Chiliboy Ralapele, John-Hubert Meyer, Philip van der Walt and Kobus van Wyk.

Sharks – 15 Aphelele Fassi, 14 S’bu Nkosi, 13 Lukhanyo Am, 12 Marius Louw, 11 Makazole Mapimpi, 10 Curwin Bosch, 9 Louis Schreuder (c), 8 Dan du Preez, 7 Tyler Paul, 6 Jacques Vermeulen, 5 Ruan Botha, 4 Hyron Andrews, 3 Coenie Oosthuizen, 2 Akker van der Merwe, 1 Beast Mtawarira.
Subs: 16 Juan Schoeman, 17 Fezo Mbatha, 18 Khutha Mchunu, 19 Ruben van Heerden, 20 Gideon Koegelenberg, 21 Wian Vosloo, 22 Luke Stringer, 23 Phepsi Buthelezi, 24 Cameron Wright, 25 Robert du Preez, 26 Lwazi Mvovo, 27 Andre Esterhuizen, 28 Jeremy Ward, 29 Leolin Zas, 30 Courtney Winnaar, 31 Kerron van Vuuren, 32 Grant Williams, 33 Rhyno Smith.

Bulls – 15 Warrick Gelant, 14 Cornal Hendricks, 13 Jesse Kriel, 12 Dylan Sage, 11 Rosko Specman, 10 Handré Pollard, 9 Embrose Papier, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Thembelani Bholi, 6 Ruan Steenkamp, 5 Lood de Jager (c), 4 Jason Jenkins, 3 Trevor Nyakane, 2 Schalk Britz, 1 Lizo Gqoboka.
Subs: 16 Johan Grobbelaar, 17 Matthys Basson, 18 Conraad van Vuuren, 19 Hanro Liebenberg, 20 Paul Schoeman, 21 Jannes Kirsten, 22 Tim Agaba, 23 André Warner, 24 JT Jackson, 25 Jade Stighling, 26 Divan Rossouw.



47 Comments

  • Apparently Phillip VD Walt has a niggle from Japan. Dont know about any others though…
    Interesting to see how the Bulls play with that backline.

  • Comment 1, posted at 07.02.19 14:56:04 by SheldonK Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 1) : That’s actually as I expected them to structure the backline. Apart from including Burger Odendaal who I suppose is probably injured or unfit.

  • Comment 2, posted at 07.02.19 15:51:54 by coolfusion Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 1) : I read today that they expect him to be out for a month. Hopefully that means stringer will play 6 for a it with Paul 7 and Dan 8. That has very nice balance.

    On an aside I read the warm up is sold out already ona Friday morning. I know Ashton is a small venue and last weeks warm up was inflated by 20K free tickets being given away but it is interesting that we can bring in the crowds for warm up games but not for the main comp and maybe the teams can benefit by evaluating why.

  • Comment 3, posted at 08.02.19 10:39:43 by Byron Wright Reply
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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 3) : I think they may prefer Jacques Vermuelen at 6 but its between him and Stringer with Vosloo an outside chance.
    In terms of crowd numbers, just remember a sold out Ashton College crowd would look like a very empty Kings Park stadium in terms of numbers. Also cant judge on last week due to numbe rof teams involved.
    I still think the stadiums in SA are way to big to be filled for super rugby/cc games….if you took any club games throughout the world and put those numbers in our stadiums it would look empty.

  • Comment 4, posted at 08.02.19 10:44:01 by SheldonK Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 4) : True I forgot about Vermuelen.

    Sure Ashton is tiny in comparison but this is also just an exhibition warm up game and people bought all the tickets before 08h00 on Friday.

    I agree that the stadium is too big for regular season matches but it also shows that Super Rugby as a whole has become a very tired product when you can get in numbers for a friendly but struggle for competitive games. I am guessing about 8k people at Ashton. Whereas we averaged about 17k in super rugby.

    I have a few possible reasons:

    1)The average fan doesn’t think an SA team can win Super Rugby.
    2) Cheaper tickets
    3) Less rugby at this time of year leading to added interest. We become so over saturated by an 18 game tournament we lose interest in the weekly results.

  • Comment 5, posted at 08.02.19 11:12:06 by Byron Wright Reply
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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 5) : I think your 8k figure is probably a bit too high, maybe half of that.
    Rugby in SA needs to wise up and quickly. Rugby is entertainment and as such has to compete with other forms of entertainment for the very scare disposal income of the public.
    Targeting the individual is foolish, they should target familities of groups of people. So for example give tickets away at the schools where the parents can afford to buy their own tickets so they will then go with their kids who get free tickets. Say students between 18-21 pay for 3 tickets when they buy 4.
    School and club games to proceeed Sharks games will get people to stick around after their school/club games.
    Pre game entertainment and giveaways etc dont work as you have to attract the people there in the first place.
    And yes less rugby creates scarcity which sells

  • Comment 6, posted at 08.02.19 11:46:47 by SheldonK Reply
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  • So difficult to gauge schools capacity because of the standing space but you most likely right that 8k is high.

    Your point about the pre-game give away and entertainment are spot on as is your message about group sales. I think the approach of attracting parents through free tickets to schools is also a very shrewd way of increasing the numbers in the stadium greatly whilst also adding additional ticket sales and food and beverage purchases. Park and ride could even be offered from schools for the parents and kids.

    Students with valid student card should pay half price. They tend to come in groups and spend heavily at the bar.

    The travel issue is a big thing and park and ride could help that but just don’t know what the costs to the union v the reward would be. They also sponsored by goodfellas so a big conflict there.

  • Comment 7, posted at 08.02.19 11:57:33 by Byron Wright Reply
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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 7) : Basically what ever they have been doing in the recent past they need to change completely as continuing as is will not be sustainable.
    I hope both teams put on a good show in Ballito tomorrow and there are no major injuries

  • Comment 8, posted at 08.02.19 12:07:00 by SheldonK Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 8) : True the same has been failing for too long now.

    Should be a good game and as you say hopefully no major setbacks. Particularly at loose forward where we have two out already.

  • Comment 9, posted at 08.02.19 12:39:10 by Byron Wright Reply
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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 7) : Just went to Shark Tank to try to get tickets after reading on here that they were sold out; I then tried to phone Ashton College to see if they had some available but sold out – they only had 2500 available from the beginning!! As a loyal Sharks supporter who attends every home game whether in Kwa Mashu (with 10 other people supporting) or at Kings Park, I am exceptionally peeved at the fact that they have such a small number of tickets available – Hilton vs Michaelhouse; DHS vs. Glenwood could accommodate more people! Anyway, helped me make up my mind about renewing my season tickets!

  • Comment 10, posted at 08.02.19 14:56:00 by Julesgr8ter Reply
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  • Why don’t they play more games at woodburn in pmb? You can get 10k+ in there and it’s pretty nice for loyal supporters from the midlands and surrounds who drive down to Durban regularly to support the sharks. Could even play a Currie cup game there. Looks better on tv having a packed out woodburn rather than a empty kings park

  • Comment 11, posted at 08.02.19 15:20:41 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • @Julesgr8ter (Comment 10) : I understand how peeved you must be, I hope you let them know in no uncertain terms.

    This is going to be like a home game for the Bulls. :twisted:

  • Comment 12, posted at 09.02.19 11:26:16 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @RuckingFun (Comment 11) : Reading the comments about game attendances I think they should make Woodburn their home ground. I bet it would be filled to capacity for all games and the atmosphere would be amazing. :twisted: :cool:

  • Comment 13, posted at 09.02.19 11:28:30 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Final score: 7 – 7

  • Comment 14, posted at 09.02.19 19:27:34 by dawj Reply

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  • @dawj (Comment 14) : Shades of the epic 6-5 game against Chris Latham’s mighty Reds then?

  • Comment 15, posted at 09.02.19 20:00:31 by Karl Reply

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  • @comment 15: Humdinger of a game! i did mention in another comment that i see shades of last year’s performance based on poor gelling between team members.

  • Comment 16, posted at 09.02.19 21:29:26 by dawj Reply

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  • @dawj (Comment 14) : So how this work – according to sharksrugby the Bulls went into the half time break with a 7-5 lead and then the game ends up being a draw?

  • Comment 17, posted at 11.02.19 08:17:03 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 17) : Apparently confusion over whether the Sharks conversion of their try actually went over or not. Some say it did and some say it didnt.

  • Comment 18, posted at 11.02.19 08:28:30 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Julesgr8ter (Comment 10) : I was shocked to hear it only seated 2500 what a joke! In previous years it has been at Woodburn and it was well supported and a fun evening. We let out season tickets go after my dad’s held them for over 30 years not based on the performance of the team but the apparent disregard for loyal fans. This is another example of that disregard

  • Comment 19, posted at 11.02.19 08:32:35 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • how did Phepsi Buthelezi do in this game ?

    and how did fassi do at FB ??

  • Comment 20, posted at 11.02.19 09:21:09 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • From reports I can find it seems the starting team struggled to gel on attack but is very comfortable defending. Also sounds like the H-factor played a large part in making it a low scoring game.

  • Comment 21, posted at 11.02.19 09:38:49 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Probably a sensible tactic for the game in hot and humid Singapore to let the other team play with the ball and then feed of their mistakes.

  • Comment 22, posted at 11.02.19 09:44:54 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 22) : Sure it understand not trying too much in singapore but with a new attack coach surely these pre-season games should have been used to get used to the new shape etc? Attack by all accounts is much harder to perfect than Defense.

  • Comment 23, posted at 11.02.19 09:56:07 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 23) : Tell that to the French, jeepers but England took them to the cleaners.

  • Comment 24, posted at 11.02.19 10:33:52 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 23) : I am sure they went into the game with that plan, but it is not easy to improve your attacking shape when up against an opponent hell bent to beat you plus due to humidity you struggling to hold onto the ball.

  • Comment 25, posted at 11.02.19 10:39:16 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 24) : what has happened to the French! They seem to get worse with each new coach

  • Comment 26, posted at 11.02.19 12:07:10 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • England definitely playing the best rugby in the 6 Nations but i cant see them playing any better than they currently are so could have peaked too soon. Also Italy arent adding much value…but dont think any other NH side would either if they replaced Italy

  • Comment 27, posted at 11.02.19 12:14:06 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 26) : I really dont know, its not as if they dont have the players. They had an immense, well coached under 20 team last year that won everything they played in. Could it be all the foreigners playing in their ranks are somehow making them “slapgat”. A while ago they showed real glimpses of being a good team, they now look ragged.

  • Comment 28, posted at 11.02.19 12:21:53 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 27) : On the weekends form Italy will beat France, at least the Italians showed good intent for 60 odd minutes.

  • Comment 29, posted at 11.02.19 12:23:23 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 29) : The French were better than Wales the week before though but didnt have the fitness. I think their big issue is that in their local league the foreigners are taking up the main positions and making the decisions, but also think their selections are off. Watching the Ireland game on the weekend their game plan is rubbish, its basically the old Bok game plan…big one off runners and then a well contested box kick and repeat. But like the old Boks they get reward as teams cant handle that.

  • Comment 30, posted at 11.02.19 12:47:51 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 28) : Really interesting because the performance of their under 20′s suggest that the grass roots development is there so things are going wrong once they hit the professional leagues. Apparently there are 20 pro teams in France when you look at D2 as well.

    Maybe they have an issue a bit like ours where they have too many pro players spread among too many sides.

    There is also the obvious foreign invasion where fewer top french players are getting into the same sides. I would suggest cutting top 14 to top10 and then allowing only 5 foreigners per side or something like that but because the team are private they will never allow it.

  • Comment 31, posted at 11.02.19 13:25:22 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 30) : Yes, the French looked good for the win against Wales and then just faded away – surely it cant be fitness at this level? Maybe this French team is trying to “out French” all those that came before them.

  • Comment 32, posted at 11.02.19 15:59:01 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • I questioned the time that the warm up match against the Bulls was played due to the heat in Durban but understand now that it was part of RDP plan to simulate conditions in Singapore. But I still have to ask this! February to April Durban experiences extremely hot and humid conditions. Why cant the organisers schedule the Sharks home games over this period to start at 17:00 or 19:00. This would produce a better quality of rugby and entice more spectators possibly to the stadium. What do you guys think?

  • Comment 33, posted at 11.02.19 21:53:41 by sudhir Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 32) : Perhaps more mental fatique than physical? Also if i look at the French Top 14 most of the sides play a very forward orientated game but the French nationa side want to try play more expansively so could be a case of the national coach not playing to his strengths

  • Comment 34, posted at 12.02.19 08:50:27 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Anyone have a clue of the squad that is currently flying to Singapore?

  • Comment 35, posted at 12.02.19 13:42:53 by Julesgr8ter Reply
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  • @Julesgr8ter (Comment 35) : No bosch, Louw, Phillip or Jean luc is all i know.

  • Comment 36, posted at 12.02.19 13:51:57 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • Armand van der Merwe, Andre Esterhuizen, Aphelele Fassi, Cameron Wright, Coenie Oosthuizen, Daniel du Preez, Gideon Koegelenberg, Hyron Andrews, Jacques Vermeulen, Jeremy Ward, Juan Schoeman, Kerron van Vuuren, Khutha Mchunu, Louis Schreuder (captain), Lukhanyo Am, Lwazi Mvovo, Makazole Mapimpi, Phepsi Buthelezi, Rhyno Smith, Robert du Preez, Ruan Botha, Sibusiso Nkosi, Tendai Mtawarira, Tyler Paul, Wian Vosloo.

    So where are chilli and van Wyk again? Seem the sharks are not keeping us fans in the loop.

  • Comment 37, posted at 12.02.19 15:33:38 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 37) : So probable team then:

    Beast, Akker, Coenie, Botha, Andrews, Vermeulen, Paul, Dan Dup, Shreuder, Rob Jr, Mapimpi / Mvovo, Andre, Am, Nkosi, Fassi / Mvovo
    Schoeman, Van Vuuren, Mchunu, Koegelenberg, Buthelezi, Wright, Ward, Smith

  • Comment 38, posted at 12.02.19 18:42:50 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 38) : Johnny and Tank still injured too I guess

  • Comment 39, posted at 12.02.19 18:46:32 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 38) : Yup basically. RDP will probably need Smith on the bench as backup 10. So then either of Mapimpi/Mvovo will miss out

  • Comment 40, posted at 13.02.19 09:43:32 by SheldonK Reply

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  • What injury has Curwin got?

  • Comment 41, posted at 13.02.19 11:22:10 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 41) : Apparently Bosch and Louw have “slight” niggles

  • Comment 42, posted at 13.02.19 11:35:25 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 41) : Shoulder injury i believe. Things will get interesting if he is out for a couple games and RDP picks up a niggle this week…who to play at 10… :cool:

  • Comment 43, posted at 13.02.19 11:38:37 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 42) : @SheldonK (Comment 43) : Thanks…… shoulder niggle, picked up defending the targeted 10 channel maybe?

  • Comment 44, posted at 13.02.19 12:38:18 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 44) : Highly probable…and why i think his best position is fullback, like i did with Lambie :cool:

  • Comment 45, posted at 13.02.19 14:28:01 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 43) : Clearly RDP is super-human – he does not do niggles

  • Comment 46, posted at 13.02.19 15:00:37 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 46) : If he can repeat last year playing every super rugby and cc game then he definitely needs an award!. Although if he isnt in Bok side i cant see him being here for CC

  • Comment 47, posted at 13.02.19 15:55:14 by SheldonK Reply

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