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Team for Loftus clash


Written by Henk Terblanche (Bokhoring)

Posted in :Super Rugby on 7 Mar 2019 at 09:59

Injuries to Fassi and Paul required some changes to the squad from last week’s loss against the Stormers. Rhyno Smith takes over at 15 (with Bosch moving onto the bench) and Vermeulen moves to 7 with Vosloo getting his first start of the year.

Some rotational changes see Kerron van Vuuren (bench), Ruan Botha and Cam Wright (bench) dropping out of the match day squad replaced by Fez Mbatha, Koegelenberg and Williams respectively. Hyron Andrews moves from 4 to 5. Esterhuyzen and Ward swaps the starting 12 jersey and bench spot.

Ruben van Heerden (who could make his Super debut along with Fez Mbathta) moves onto the bench.

15. Rhyno Smith
14. Sbu Nkosi
13. Lukhanyo Am
12. Jeremy Ward
11. Makazole Mapimpi
10. Robert du Preez
9. Louis Schreuder (c)
8. Daniel du Preez
7. Jacques Vermeulen
6. Wian Vosloo
5. Hyron Andrews
4. Gideon Koegelenberg
3. Coenie Oosthuizen
2. Akker van der Merwe
1. Tendai Mtawarira

16. Fezokhule ‘Fez’ Mbatha*
17. Juan Schoeman
18. Thomas du Toit
19. Ruben van Heerden*
20. Phepsi Buthelezi
21. Grant Williams
22. Andre Esterhuizen
23. Curwin Bosch



231 Comments

  • Very sad. Got offered tickets for the presidential suite, but have family coming to visit from overseas. Had to pass on the tickets. This is going to be a cracking game, I think…

  • Comment 1, posted at 07.03.19 10:04:20 by T-Shark Reply
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  • I am a bit worried about our lineout. The Bulls may not have Lood and RG Snyman available, but between Britz, Jenkins, the new young lock and Thor at the back they going to attack us in the lineout.

  • Comment 2, posted at 07.03.19 10:18:45 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Largely unchanged backline. Sharks players made comments in the media this week that the forwards had been the weak link, so backline stays, and looks good. I like Koegelenberg, get the impression he grafts, and he’s a big unit. Looking at the bench, I see pace and power, guys who can provide impact. Will be interesting to see what the replacements actually do, come Saturday and 60 minutes into the game.

  • Comment 3, posted at 07.03.19 10:21:53 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • I will be supporting the boys at Loftus with my family!!! Super Excited!

  • Comment 4, posted at 07.03.19 10:22:00 by DuToit04 Reply

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  • The Loftus….like the Twitter and the instagram?

  • Comment 5, posted at 07.03.19 10:22:02 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 2) : Big talk from Hyron Andrews that they’d fixed their set pieces…we’ll see.

  • Comment 6, posted at 07.03.19 10:23:29 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • Very interesting lineup, and kudos to RDP for trying something and giving other guys a chance. Lots of speed in that backline. Good balance in loose trio, just think they may get outmuscled a bit. But keen to see what the new guys can offer

  • Comment 7, posted at 07.03.19 10:35:47 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I like the side with whats available its well assembled. I am excited to see the cc winning locks back as a combo .

  • Comment 8, posted at 07.03.19 10:45:53 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • @SeanJeff (Comment 3) : Forwards did not front, but our backline made some really doff decisions too.

  • Comment 9, posted at 07.03.19 10:48:33 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Bulls team – 15 Warrick Gelant, 14 Cornal Hendricks, 13 Jesse Kriel, 12 Dylan Sage, 11 Rosko Specman, 10 Handré Pollard (c), 9 Ivan van Zyl, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Tim Agaba, 6 Jannes Kirsten, 5 Hanro Liebenburg, 4 Jason Jenkins, 3 Trevor Nyakane, 2 Schalk Brits, 1 Lizo Gqoboka.
    Subs: 16 Corniel Els, 17 Simpiwe Matanzima, 18 Dayan van der Westhuizen, 19 Tembelani Bholi, 20 Paul Schoeman, 21 Embrose Papier, 22 Manie Libbok, 23 Divan Rossouw.

    Bulls have a flank / eightman at 5 and another flank as lock cover. Bulls have Lood, RG and now Eli Snyman out injured – that should even out things at line out time

  • Comment 10, posted at 07.03.19 11:34:16 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • The Bulls have some great leaders and experience in their team which I believe is why they are getting the results they are getting. We will have to be tough mentally to go to Loftus and get a win against them. Wish we had some more grunt in the forwards like they have Duane and Jenkins.

  • Comment 11, posted at 07.03.19 12:25:42 by Quintin Reply

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  • I don’t feel very good about this game
    I really hope the forwards especially Akker Coenie Dan Ruan show up.

  • Comment 12, posted at 07.03.19 12:38:33 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @SeanJeff (Comment 3) : Koegelenberg is a big grafter. I like his work rate. Would have thought Pepsi would start at 6. Has Bosch lost favour with the coaches?

  • Comment 13, posted at 07.03.19 12:53:11 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • Call me Mr Unrelated-News! I see Ox Nche has copped an 8 week ban for a late shoulder to Fergus McFadden’s head… Like I said in a previous post, nice chaps, those Cheetahs!

  • Comment 14, posted at 07.03.19 13:02:22 by Karl Reply

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  • Some interesting match ups: Akker vs Brits, Dan vs Vermuelen, RDP vs Pollard, Am vs Kriel, Nkosi vs Speckman

  • Comment 15, posted at 07.03.19 13:22:01 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 15) : Shreuder also would want to convince Rassie that he should go to the WC instead of Van Snail

  • Comment 16, posted at 07.03.19 13:39:51 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 15) : Schreuder also would want to convince Rassie that he should go to the WC instead of Van Snail

  • Comment 17, posted at 07.03.19 13:41:13 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 13) : As they tell it, its because he’s coming off an injury. He’s also tactically a good ace in the hole to have. Can change a game.

  • Comment 18, posted at 07.03.19 13:44:03 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • @Quintin (Comment 11) : The sad thing is that the grunt is not available in the entire union even when everyone is fit. They only grunt at 4-8 is JLP. We’be Know about this issue for the past 3 years.
    Was looking at Vosloo’s wilipedia… he’s actually 112kg’s.. which he could use that on the field. Best of luck gents… will make my way to Loftus… just need to get my Avengers Sharks jersey.

  • Comment 19, posted at 07.03.19 13:47:43 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • I see Paul is out for between 4-6 weeks. I don’t know why we have to extract that news where most other teams give injury reports. How long until PvdW is back? Also is Chilli injured?

    The sharks seem to want to keep us in the dark.

  • Comment 20, posted at 07.03.19 14:51:30 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • @Karl (Comment 14) : Now if Nico Lee had played, Ox could have at least said that he was trying to get rid of a huge snarlie, machine gun splattered on McFaddens head.

  • Comment 21, posted at 07.03.19 15:42:44 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 21) : Hahaha. Sulke vuil bliksems!

  • Comment 22, posted at 07.03.19 19:53:24 by Karl Reply

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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 20) : for sure getting a bit frustrated with the lack of information about players injuries and unavailability!!!
    #MISSINGROBDYLAN!!!

  • Comment 23, posted at 07.03.19 20:00:23 by JD Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 12) : a bit difficult for Ryan to show up when he is not in the match day squad… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 24, posted at 07.03.19 22:05:56 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Interesting selection…I am glad to see that the rotation concept is not just words…

  • Comment 25, posted at 07.03.19 22:09:56 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 24) : I didn’t even look at the team sheet just assumed he would be in. But Koeg will def play hard just a question if his inexperience will cost us.

  • Comment 26, posted at 08.03.19 06:03:56 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Anybody know what the bulls team will look like? I know lood is Def out and RG probably still out. What does their forward pack look like?

  • Comment 27, posted at 08.03.19 06:06:13 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Very good looking team. Did everyone forget how poor the Lions were last week. A shadow of the team that beat the Jaguares in Argentina. I think our forwards will boss the Bulls this weekend and give our potent backs good go forward ball. Never any motivation needed for a Bulls game and our guys will step up after our shitty display last week. Dan vs Duane, Akker vs Brits, Beast vs Nyakane, Koegies vs Liebenberg, Schreuder vs van Snail, Rdpj vs Pollard, Ward vs Sage, Am vs Kriel, Nkosi vs Specman, Rhyno vs Gellant all huge mini battles we need to win. Breakdowns will be crucial, as will set pieces. I personally think the team that gets go forward ball and are the fittest will prevail. Let’s go boys we can do this :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 28, posted at 08.03.19 07:28:39 by Fox Reply

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  • Going to be a blue weekend. :|

  • Comment 29, posted at 08.03.19 08:36:44 by McLovin Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 23) : Ha ha there is a hastag I can get behind

  • Comment 30, posted at 08.03.19 08:38:04 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 27) : Check comment 10

  • Comment 31, posted at 08.03.19 09:08:16 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 29) : Sadly I think you’re right, but I also know sharks hate easy games so they may just shock you and the pundits.

  • Comment 32, posted at 08.03.19 12:26:12 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Guys… where is Mvovo? His pace and reading of the game is still good.

  • Comment 33, posted at 08.03.19 14:08:58 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 33) : Probably twiddling his thumbs along with Kobus van Wyk.

  • Comment 34, posted at 08.03.19 14:46:20 by coolfusion Reply

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  • chiliboy-toets-glo-weer-positief-vir-opkikker – Saw this headline on Netwerk24.

  • Comment 35, posted at 08.03.19 15:37:45 by Rvw Reply

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  • @Rvw (Comment 35) : Only one news carrier reports this. I would wait till more confirm. We know the level of diligence for fact checking in SA media.

  • Comment 36, posted at 08.03.19 15:58:11 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 36) : Correct, also checked other sources, and could not find anything yet.

  • Comment 37, posted at 08.03.19 15:59:58 by Rvw Reply

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  • Unbelievable, this is the level of thanks and appreciation he shows to the people that threw him a lifeline. #paybackthemoney

  • Comment 39, posted at 08.03.19 17:11:12 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • So the article says neither the player nor the substance can be named until both tests are complete. The media already failed on one of those conditions especially the person writing that article….

  • Comment 41, posted at 08.03.19 17:27:48 by coolfusion Reply

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  • It’s already made French and English media….

  • Comment 42, posted at 08.03.19 17:29:09 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 42) : The sorry that is….

  • Comment 43, posted at 08.03.19 17:29:25 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 43) : Story…damn autocorrect…

  • Comment 44, posted at 08.03.19 17:29:48 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Well I guess we may have to cycle Burden in faster now…

  • Comment 45, posted at 08.03.19 17:30:56 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Ja boet let’s see how this unfolds but at least we now know what is going on with regards to Chilli. This might also be the reason for Craig training with the Sharks!

  • Comment 46, posted at 08.03.19 17:34:45 by JD Reply
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  • IF they are wrong Chili can make a packet suing saids and the publications jumping the gun and leaking the story against regulations.

  • Comment 47, posted at 08.03.19 17:36:00 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 47) : Very unlikely that their wrong twice a cheat always a cheat. Don’t think the third time was accidental, chilly likes his liquifruit, he has been caught juicing twice.

  • Comment 48, posted at 08.03.19 17:40:25 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 46) : And maybe why he hasn’t made the squad in a while, which would suggest the sharks have been keeping this under wraps for a while now…nice if them…or did he have an injury?

  • Comment 49, posted at 08.03.19 17:43:06 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 48) : Well IF that’s the case…then I’m sure it’s bye bye for good this time. I wonder if sharks will then claim back contract fees?

  • Comment 50, posted at 08.03.19 17:44:42 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Whilst on the subject of hookers, does anyone have an opinion of Mbatha? Does he have credential? In my mind Kerron hasn’t done too bad..

  • Comment 51, posted at 08.03.19 17:46:59 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 51) : For one of our newbies….

  • Comment 52, posted at 08.03.19 17:47:36 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 26) : Agree with you…

  • Comment 53, posted at 08.03.19 18:28:49 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 29) : we love it when you say that… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 54, posted at 08.03.19 18:30:19 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 44) : Freudian slip that is spot on…#thesorry So now we know… :sad:

  • Comment 55, posted at 08.03.19 18:33:10 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 45) : No wonder he was there already…

  • Comment 56, posted at 08.03.19 18:33:52 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 56) : Yup makes sense if it’s true. So any take on Mbatha?

  • Comment 57, posted at 08.03.19 18:39:10 by coolfusion Reply

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  • So I hear Blue Bull nr. 16 Marius van der Westhuizen has been given the whistle. Look forward to the braai I just planned last minute to take up all my time tomorrow

  • Comment 58, posted at 08.03.19 19:28:32 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 50) : It is unfortunately not his first experience with PED’s so the union should have written a waiver into his contract regarding drug related suspension, we hope

  • Comment 59, posted at 08.03.19 20:20:09 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 49) : it’s hard to say as things are so cloak and dagger at the Sharks!?!?!? But I have a feeling they knew about it so that’s why he was “missing”!

  • Comment 60, posted at 08.03.19 21:42:50 by JD Reply
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  • @Die Kriek (Comment 58) : ja must say I’m not sure about the Sharks chances so I’m? still deciding if I must do my “new” 20 min at a time rugby watching plan or just skip it and work in the garage!?

  • Comment 61, posted at 08.03.19 21:46:18 by JD Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 57) : Not really…I haven’t seen much of him…

  • Comment 62, posted at 08.03.19 22:15:14 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Die Kriek (Comment 58) : Ach nein! For freak’s sake…

  • Comment 63, posted at 08.03.19 22:16:51 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 63) : unglücklich das ist richtig!!! Worse is Seconds is one of the assistants again!!!

  • Comment 64, posted at 08.03.19 22:48:35 by JD Reply
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  • @Die Kriek (Comment 58) : @JD (Comment 64) : Ok so we know who the officials are so let’s hope our guys go out onto the field, knowing the 50/50 calls aren’t going to go our way, keep our heads and take the chances we create. Bitching after the game about the officials not being fair is a poor excuse for losing the game. We can win but they guys need to stay composed and not act like petulant children every time a call goes against us. We need to shed this victim mentality if we want to be a championship team.
    As Sean Connery once said, “losers always whine about doing their best, winners go home and fuck the prom queen”. So let’s go to Loftus and fuck the prom queen

  • Comment 65, posted at 09.03.19 09:01:09 by Hulk Reply

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  • Van Der westhuizen and seconds may not be our favorites, they do however seem to dislike the bulls more than us. Let’s hope for a good game

  • Comment 66, posted at 09.03.19 09:40:15 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 65) : You do know that the Loftus prom queen is Riaan van Heerden, dont you?

  • Comment 67, posted at 09.03.19 10:17:10 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 62) : Ja me too. Which is why I’m asking around. Weird not going with Kerron in favour of a no name….

  • Comment 68, posted at 09.03.19 10:36:11 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 60) : Yup according to one report the test was done in January already. Which gells with his absence. It also SEEMS like sharks have been covering up for a while till the other shoe drops.

  • Comment 69, posted at 09.03.19 10:39:23 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 68) : Also weird taking Ruan out now in favour of less experienced locks. We should at the least be able to see if our depth is sufficient. Lucky lood and RG not in, but Jenkins is.

  • Comment 70, posted at 09.03.19 10:42:20 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 67) : we gotta do what we gotta do :|

  • Comment 71, posted at 09.03.19 12:43:33 by Hulk Reply

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  • Saw somewhere that Ruan has a foot injury

  • Comment 72, posted at 09.03.19 13:25:39 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 72) : Makes more sense. We have three good leaders in the backline with Schreuder Rob an Am don’t know so much about the front…we have Coenie but Second row both green

  • Comment 73, posted at 09.03.19 13:29:50 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 73) : Looking forward to see Dan up against Thor. The way Dan has been playing I think he can hold his head high.

  • Comment 74, posted at 09.03.19 13:51:36 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 70) : Ruan imo has not delivered at all. Looks unfit and lethargic. Spent his off season in Japan so didn’t get any strength and conditioning. It’s not much of a loss at this stage.

  • Comment 75, posted at 09.03.19 14:08:56 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 75) : All things being equal he still should bring experience and a level head where youngsters may fail. Agree he hasn’t distinguished himself physically or intuitively but let’s see if Koeg and hyron can fill the gap. Neither of them can be faulted for putting in the graft. Koeg stepping up nicely but he will need some older heads around him.

  • Comment 76, posted at 09.03.19 14:24:53 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Someone will post some score updates and comments for us?

    :shock:

  • Comment 77, posted at 09.03.19 17:11:41 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • 6-0 Bulls. Pressure game working for them so far

  • Comment 78, posted at 09.03.19 17:30:40 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Great kick from Smith has the Bulls defending a lineout near their line

  • Comment 79, posted at 09.03.19 17:32:32 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Pretty slack defense from the Sharks and Kriel score. 13-0

  • Comment 80, posted at 09.03.19 17:36:35 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Starting to look ominous for the Sharks

  • Comment 81, posted at 09.03.19 17:37:02 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Final score 59-0 have a good weekend chaps

  • Comment 82, posted at 09.03.19 17:38:00 by jdolivier Reply

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  • Wow… back to the inconsistency. I may have better things to do with my time. Sharks don’t seem interested.

  • Comment 83, posted at 09.03.19 17:38:29 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • Sharks manage to get a bit of go forward until someone drops the ball.

  • Comment 84, posted at 09.03.19 17:43:26 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Need to shift gears now.

  • Comment 85, posted at 09.03.19 17:44:39 by coolfusion Reply

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  • When Owen and Joel points out an incorrect penalty against the Sharks scrum

  • Comment 86, posted at 09.03.19 17:45:36 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 85) : Yeah, from reverse

  • Comment 87, posted at 09.03.19 17:46:07 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • 16-0 Bulls btw

  • Comment 88, posted at 09.03.19 17:46:46 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • As long as we have the ‘battle for Springbok positions’ there r certain guys in the team who refuse to play for the team and will always play individualistic rugby – my soap box issue!! :cry:

  • Comment 89, posted at 09.03.19 17:46:53 by Julesgr8ter Reply
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  • Bulls forwards take the ball from a running start. Makes a big difference at the collision

  • Comment 90, posted at 09.03.19 17:51:28 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • How many handling errors now?

  • Comment 91, posted at 09.03.19 17:51:42 by coolfusion Reply

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  • My gosh we have very average forwards. 4-8 problem we’ve had for years. Can Thomas, Pepsi, Andre and Bosch come on immediately.

  • Comment 92, posted at 09.03.19 17:52:40 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • Pollard inflicting death by a thousand cuts. 19-0

  • Comment 93, posted at 09.03.19 17:52:53 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 93) : Yup my thoughts exactly

  • Comment 94, posted at 09.03.19 17:53:30 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Akker does well to gain metres and then Coenie looses the ball

  • Comment 95, posted at 09.03.19 17:55:12 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Some awesome rubbish from our forwards at the moment

  • Comment 96, posted at 09.03.19 17:55:19 by coolfusion Reply

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  • TMO misses an early tackle

  • Comment 97, posted at 09.03.19 17:57:28 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 97) : Yes and the ref who was in position. But we are crap.

  • Comment 98, posted at 09.03.19 17:58:44 by coolfusion Reply

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  • I really hate it when twats like Nkumane and Stransky start showing sympathy to the Sharks

  • Comment 99, posted at 09.03.19 17:58:55 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • So much for the big talk from our forwards. Bulls loose trio plus Britz all over the park. Ours is either MIA or dropping balls

  • Comment 100, posted at 09.03.19 18:00:39 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Ugh, so it really is Downhill for us from here?

    :cry:

  • Comment 101, posted at 09.03.19 18:00:42 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • No heat from us just some senseless wild animal hoping for the best play. Bar some inspired turnaround play we have lost this already.

  • Comment 102, posted at 09.03.19 18:00:51 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 101) : More like straight down a mine shaft.

  • Comment 103, posted at 09.03.19 18:01:32 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Blimey, Bulls conceded nothing in that first half bullshit. Referee is bent

  • Comment 104, posted at 09.03.19 18:01:45 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 100) : No we should wait a few more games for Akker and the only other seasoned players to show up. If they feel like it.

  • Comment 105, posted at 09.03.19 18:02:17 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @SeanJeff (Comment 104) : He hasn’t seen anything but black Jersey’s today, blue is invisible.

  • Comment 106, posted at 09.03.19 18:03:20 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 105) : Akker is trying. Rest MIA

  • Comment 107, posted at 09.03.19 18:04:14 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 106) : To be fair sharks trying to win with three men.

  • Comment 108, posted at 09.03.19 18:04:30 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Ref has been kak at the scrums but if he did his job we could have been playing with 14. Ward very lucky

  • Comment 109, posted at 09.03.19 18:07:34 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • This game requires a complete change of heart, and let’s be honest how often does that happen in SA rugby? We aren’t New Zealand.

  • Comment 110, posted at 09.03.19 18:10:23 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Something seriously wrong at the Sharks since after game 2.

  • Comment 111, posted at 09.03.19 18:11:37 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Ward scores. 19-7

  • Comment 112, posted at 09.03.19 18:13:01 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • And then we stop tackling and Specman replies in the corner

  • Comment 113, posted at 09.03.19 18:14:58 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 111) : Started playing quality sides maybe? :twisted:

  • Comment 114, posted at 09.03.19 18:15:04 by McLovin Reply

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  • Referees cheating as much as they want

  • Comment 115, posted at 09.03.19 18:16:57 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 114) : Bulls definitely the first quality side we are playing

  • Comment 116, posted at 09.03.19 18:17:16 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 116) : I set that one up nicely. :lol:

  • Comment 117, posted at 09.03.19 18:17:59 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 107) : Guys, we’ve know about our issues for 3 years now. If the front row gets matched or dominated the weaknesses in our locks and loose forwards gets laid bare for all to see except Robert Du Preez and Gary Teichman. Can we stop living in a fantasy world by talking up these forwards of ours by saying the Sharks are so physical. It’s our front row. If the front row doesn’t have their way. Long day in the office. Bulls bought Diane, Schalk, Specmagic and Hendrinks. Results easy for all to see. The Bulls need to teach Gary and Robert a good lesson today, maybe they will finally stop talking up these forwards of ours. I thank you. Schalk Brits is the best hooker in SA by far.

  • Comment 118, posted at 09.03.19 18:18:53 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @SeanJeff (Comment 115) : No, let’s not make excuses. Let’s face the facts headon, only time we can start to address our issues.

  • Comment 119, posted at 09.03.19 18:20:58 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • More Chinese torture from Pollard. 27-7

  • Comment 120, posted at 09.03.19 18:23:00 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Du Preez scores. 27-14

  • Comment 121, posted at 09.03.19 18:26:37 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Just two more converted tries and the Sharks are home and hosed.

  • Comment 122, posted at 09.03.19 18:27:06 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 122) : Would be turnaround of the season

  • Comment 123, posted at 09.03.19 18:30:29 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 123) : Plenty of time left.

  • Comment 124, posted at 09.03.19 18:33:15 by McLovin Reply

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  • Getting Scrappy from our side which is not too much of a deviation

  • Comment 125, posted at 09.03.19 18:33:22 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 123) : Would be a great feather in our cap

  • Comment 126, posted at 09.03.19 18:33:54 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Why isn’t this lock Van Heerden starting for us???? Can Voslo never again start ahead of Pepsi. Can Schalk Brits stop slowing the game down when we are starting to show promise.

  • Comment 127, posted at 09.03.19 18:38:44 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • Here we go…

  • Comment 128, posted at 09.03.19 18:40:10 by McLovin Reply

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  • Or not. :roll:

  • Comment 129, posted at 09.03.19 18:41:39 by McLovin Reply

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  • Forcing phase 1 when they should release to the back
    Story of last week.

  • Comment 130, posted at 09.03.19 18:44:22 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 127) : He is a vet. That’s what he should do

  • Comment 131, posted at 09.03.19 18:45:08 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Bulls defense has been good. Always manage to put more Blue jerseys than Black near the ball

  • Comment 132, posted at 09.03.19 18:45:15 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Dan have become more prominent in the second half

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 133) : Dan has

  • Comment 134, posted at 09.03.19 18:50:58 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Bulls moering our scrum now

  • Comment 135, posted at 09.03.19 18:51:45 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Hats of to the Bulls. Did a good job today.

  • Comment 136, posted at 09.03.19 18:52:26 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 136) : Definitely the best SA team at the moment. Pollard, Britz and Vermeulen have all been really good.

  • Comment 137, posted at 09.03.19 18:55:00 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • And Specman gets his second

  • Comment 138, posted at 09.03.19 18:55:34 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 137) : True. They were my pre-season ‘dark horse’ pick for SA conference, but must now be clear favourites to end top.

  • Comment 139, posted at 09.03.19 18:56:23 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 137) : Pretty much all the Bulls actually.

  • Comment 140, posted at 09.03.19 18:56:56 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Sharks playing awesome blue bull rugby from 1990. Crash crash crash. Well done…..

  • Comment 141, posted at 09.03.19 18:57:15 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 141) : Can’t blame any Coach for this rubbish…

  • Comment 142, posted at 09.03.19 18:57:57 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 141) : Bulls of the nineties didn’t knock-on that much. :twisted:

  • Comment 143, posted at 09.03.19 18:58:32 by McLovin Reply

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  • So much inexperience on the field on the Sharks’ side. Gary Teichman is here to save costs and manage the player salary bill at our expense. Good stuff, 37-14 to the Bulls. Well done Bulls. All the best going forward. You are a well coached and balanced side. Comprehensively schooled once again.

  • Comment 144, posted at 09.03.19 18:58:33 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • Things not going to get any easier for the Sharks. Rebels and then the Bulls at home. If the Sharks don’t figure out what is wrong in the team, we may lose the next 2 at home as well

  • Comment 145, posted at 09.03.19 18:59:29 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 137) : No dude just us an inflexible team who cannot adapt. We make them look good.

  • Comment 146, posted at 09.03.19 18:59:32 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Even if Marius had a shocker we were fucking nowhere. Piss poor against RSA sides as per fucking useless I mean usual. Where is the running rugby from the first two games. Pathetic pathetic pathetic

  • Comment 147, posted at 09.03.19 19:00:44 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 143) : Ja true. We suck even at immitation.

  • Comment 148, posted at 09.03.19 19:00:56 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 142) : This team isn’t coached, so yes you can

  • Comment 149, posted at 09.03.19 19:01:37 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 144) : Bullshit, Bulls we’re given the game..Referee was bent.

  • Comment 150, posted at 09.03.19 19:01:52 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 146) : They have settled into playing a simple pressure game with committed defense. But they do have the players to hurt you on turnover ball

  • Comment 151, posted at 09.03.19 19:01:59 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 142) : you must be joking. Robert Du Preez has once again been found wanting. His teams rocking up under cooked with no urgency has become a norm now. Yes he doesn’t have the players in the pack but his coaching is also average.

  • Comment 152, posted at 09.03.19 19:02:17 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @SeanJeff (Comment 150) : Still less bent than our useless game plan. Rdp jnr had a shocker as well as Louis

  • Comment 153, posted at 09.03.19 19:03:04 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @SeanJeff (Comment 150) : “Bulls give the game”???? Wow wow wow.

  • Comment 154, posted at 09.03.19 19:03:47 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 149) : Agreed.

  • Comment 155, posted at 09.03.19 19:04:57 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 152) : I won’t go that far settling in to this stupid pattern seems to be an SA pattern,just different teams trying it out. I cannot say the coach who coached the team of two week ago just suddenly changed his mind from winning I lay this at our dumb forwards’ door, completely.

  • Comment 156, posted at 09.03.19 19:06:24 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Bulls forwards mostly run onto the ball at speed. We are trying to do too much from a standing start

  • Comment 157, posted at 09.03.19 19:12:33 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 156) : I challenge you from now on to notice what happens when our front row is matched. The team runs out of ideas and panic. The Blues and Sunwolves don’t have a physical front row. Listen to Naas Botha now, he is asking the serious questions about the Sharks that are always being talked up of having a great squad, physical but get given a lesson week in week out. Coaching and not having the experience. Well done to Trevor and Lizo for also schooling our props.

  • Comment 158, posted at 09.03.19 19:14:00 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 156) : Neither the Sunwolves nor the Blues are really known for their defense. Stormers and Bulls have much better offensive defenses. They will hit you back in the tackle – especially if you get the ball while standing still

  • Comment 159, posted at 09.03.19 19:16:19 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @jdolivier (Comment 153) : totally agree – same last week!

  • Comment 160, posted at 09.03.19 19:18:31 by Julesgr8ter Reply
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  • Didn’t watch the game but I’m starting to lose interest in the game of rugby not just the sharks, life getting too busy, team playing poorly doesn’t help

  • Comment 161, posted at 09.03.19 19:23:51 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • Marius blew us out of this game. Period. How does Nyakane drop 3 scrums and get the penalty? How do we smash their scrum and get a reset for it? How do the Bulls seal their ball at the ruck by going off their feet and they get the penalty? Any momentum we start to build gets blown up by that [email protected]#$. Has anyone on here ever tried to play a game against a biased ref? Its [email protected]#$ing impossible. I feel for our boys. Even commentators say Marius had it wrong. Sums it up perfectly

  • Comment 162, posted at 09.03.19 19:24:25 by Fox Reply

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  • One question has been settled – Andre is clearly our best 12.

  • Comment 163, posted at 09.03.19 19:32:55 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 163) : was it ever a debate? He’s the best and adds to the team aggression we don’t get from the locks and loose forwards. Dan tried today though but can’t function in an average pack.

  • Comment 164, posted at 09.03.19 19:41:50 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • How ready is Craig Burden? Can we sign him ASAP.

  • Comment 165, posted at 09.03.19 19:53:39 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Fox (Comment 162) : And how was that freaking early tackle on Rhyno…nothing! It grinds my gears this flipping crap!!!

  • Comment 166, posted at 09.03.19 21:00:25 by pastorshark Reply
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  • I am seriously thinking one reason we struggle against SA teams is because we have these flipping SA refs involved…

  • Comment 167, posted at 09.03.19 21:02:10 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Having said all that and had my rant…the last two weeks have left me deeply disappointed…

  • Comment 168, posted at 09.03.19 21:03:20 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 168) : We’ve just been…meh…

  • Comment 169, posted at 09.03.19 21:08:36 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 158) : You and Marius were watching the same movie. Trevor won penalties by going off his feet or straight down! Biased ref. Yes we didn’t play to our potential and Rob jnr and Ryno had poor games. Pollard was very good and Bulls kicked at goal every time penalty was in range. 22 points from pollard.

  • Comment 170, posted at 09.03.19 21:21:00 by sudhir Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 158) : All you do is criticise this team whether they win or lose. WTF. Is it the sharks or the Du Preezs that you have a problem with?

  • Comment 171, posted at 09.03.19 21:28:41 by sudhir Reply

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  • So after calming down, Marius van Der westhuizen gave the bulls 6 points with iffy scrum calls, wasn’t even close to as bad as peyper. The first specman try was nkosi not trusting rdp jnr to make a tackle. The kriel try was because ward didn’t trust rdp jnr to make the tackle. Louis and rdp jnr were KAK all night. Curwin was fucking scared to defend, again. Am, akker, nkosi, koeg and mapimpi were the only players in the first half that realized that the fucking game had already started. Rhyno tried but wasn’t effective. Andre did try his best, but could have passed no less than 3 times to a player in space. Same with Dan. Vermeulen has inherited the dan hands syndrome of last year. Hyron andrews is yet to contest a ruck. So all in all we lost. And we did an amazing job of it. Hats off to the bulls. They did their homework and stuck to their plan. The fact that there is no plan b is all on the coaching staff. We beat these teams in currie cup with similar players. Superrugby is that step up in pace and a step above our current structures it would seem. Love the sharks, always have, always will, especially the enterprise of the first two games. This shit tonight and that piss poor excuse of a game against the stormers is why kings park is empty and will remain so. Somehow the passion for the fans and jerseys needs to be reignited, and I fear rdp snr is not the answer. My rant done.

  • Comment 172, posted at 09.03.19 22:52:19 by jdolivier Reply

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  • Robert du Preez Jnr’s head is in England already. He can bugger off now. What a disgraceful display. Especially from the forwards.

  • Comment 173, posted at 10.03.19 09:49:49 by Ben Reply
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  • I suspected that last week’s rubbish was not a once off. I said the bulls we’re going to hurt us but that’s stating the obvious. I wonder if we the fans are even worth an apology and a commitment to do better from our indifferent irreverent coach to whom all accountability falls. Good or bad this is what comes with the position, no?

  • Comment 174, posted at 10.03.19 10:42:57 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 173) : I have a suspicion that once all the boys have fled the nest it won’t be long before we hear coach daddy also accept another offer. Just a suspicion though.

  • Comment 175, posted at 10.03.19 10:44:10 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Schalk Brits didn’t look too bad either, seems there still has left in his tank. Apart from the brainfart where he he threw away an awarded penalty.

  • Comment 176, posted at 10.03.19 10:52:02 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Lions also put on an impressive performance (he said with a pained expression). I guess we’re the bulls this season.

  • Comment 177, posted at 10.03.19 10:54:53 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Just waiting for someone to bemoan copious amounts of vitriol on this site…..

  • Comment 178, posted at 10.03.19 11:03:46 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @sudhir (Comment 170) : But Dan on the other hand stood his ground against Thor.

  • Comment 179, posted at 10.03.19 11:04:43 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 172) : Pretty much my sentiments

    Attacking against a well set defense is difficult, but it is all about building momentum until a player can breach the defense and you exploit that or the defense concedes a penalty.

    I believe a couple of small changes can improve our success in this area:
    - our forwards need to up their work rate exponentially. The Sharks can be very effective when they get the offloading game going, but then you need players behind the ball. If the offload is not on, at least there will be players to clean the ruck and also keep the momentum going. Attacking is hard work and players need to work to be in the right place.
    - we need more players to hit the ball at pace and also at different angles. You will get tackled back if you start by receiving the pass in a stationary position. Momentum = Mass x Velocity – a huge player like Coenie or Thomas getting the ball at zero velocity has zero momentum
    - ball presentation at rucks need to improve. The tackled player needs to try and put the ball back as far as possible – but then you do need supporting players to clean over the ball as well

    We have some exciting outside backs plus a guy like Am that can really exploit mismatches but you first need to create the conditions for them to excel in.

  • Comment 180, posted at 10.03.19 11:05:52 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 178) : Bitter criticism or malice. Did you perhaps find anything on display to counter that feeling during this game or the previous

  • Comment 181, posted at 10.03.19 11:57:54 by jdolivier Reply

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  • So, to add insult to injury, Jeremy Ward has been cited for a dangerous tackle on Specman. Sharks going into a bye week with no winning momentum and after which they play the Rebels who have a world-class 9 and 10 (Genia and Cooper). You throw Rangi into the mix and guys like Meeks and Maddocks, Sharks could be in a heap of trouble. I actually want the Du Preez era to be over already. Rugby is a business, its all about results and coach Rob hasn’t delivered. The team has been relatively stable in terms of personnel, but the trend line for performance and wins has remained flat. I suppose credit must go the management at the bulls, they’ve had a few bad seasons but recruited intelligently and collectively seemed to get their sh*t together far better than the Sharks. You can recognise positive trends. We on the other hand seem to be out of ideas. A coach with pedigree is needed – that at least is a starting point. And frankly, post the Du Preez era, the team is going to have to make three or four smart recruiting purchases.

  • Comment 182, posted at 10.03.19 13:15:32 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • @jdolivier (Comment 181) : Sadly no I don’t blame anyone for bitter criticism. Sharks fans have been battered and disrespected for a while now, by the very people whom we support. It’s no shock to see the grace for failure becoming less and less with each passing year.

  • Comment 183, posted at 10.03.19 14:51:36 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 183) : You’ve wrapped it up in just the right words. This is what killed Rob’s love for the Sharks, an unrequited love.

  • Comment 184, posted at 10.03.19 16:22:41 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • @SeanJeff (Comment 182) : I also can’t wait for the Du Preez era to come to an end. Raised my concerns during his first season in charge. We had regressed and he told us he has a three year plan. Coaches that come and don’t perform in their first year and there’s no sign of any improvements on attack, defense, rucking, ball presentation at the ruck, decoy runners, guys running onto the ball at pace, ball carrier having more than more option on attack, intensity in our play.. I just knew he was out of his depth, buying time and was going to pull wool over our eyes. A John Mitchell, Eddie Jones, Jake White,Jamie Joseph,Scott Robertson etc… you see improvement (not necessarily results) in the first season which makes it easier for to buy the whole 3 year plan. Another weakness with Robert du Preez is his inability to make good selections. The one scrumhalf that gives us the least momentum and creates a stop start game is made captain… my gosh. Our best scrumhalf… Cameron is treated like a step cousin. Hyron Andrews has the best spectator seat in the entire stadium.. give him a microphone and he can actually commentate… yet we have players like Van Heerden, JJ, Koegelenberg that are deemed not good enough. What has Voslo done to deserve such confidence from the coach (I have seen him 3 times too many.. and can conclude that him and Andrews are in the same WhatsApp group) when guys like Pepsi have been putting up their hand. It’s a RWC and there was no foresite to recruit experience and battleharded soldiers to help our youngsters. A coach that wants average players, young players is a coach that is not confident and doesn’t want to be challenged by the experienced players that know what needs to happen on the field.. he wants yes men. Why was Gareth April not brought back, when he is one of the few flyhalves that actually got our backline to at least look threatening.. can Garth April please be resigned..? Rob Jr is leaving so need to protect his position. Why are we the only union that doesn’t believe in recruiting the best 7’s players that want a career in the 15 man game. I am frustrated because I feel that I am being led by people that don’t actually take me the fan seriously.

  • Comment 185, posted at 10.03.19 16:35:15 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 183) : Just one fully committed season by the team and most people will forgive. This is the first year that I fully understand why you do not see cheetahs fans anymore. We are heading the same route

  • Comment 186, posted at 10.03.19 17:13:25 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @SeanJeff (Comment 182) : I was surprised that the ref or the TMO did not even review that incident. We could have been playing with 14 men after that

  • Comment 187, posted at 10.03.19 21:10:40 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Can we get Jake White back. His contract in Japan ends in September. Rob can be CC coach and assistant during SR. The last time I felt the Sharks were in good hands and I could sleep better was when Jake was in charge. I knew that the team would be prepared, they would do the basics well and would look at building towards winning a major championship within 3 years. We as fans would see that progression in our play and results. Jake is also able to pull high quality players. Imagine how many Saffas he would bring back to SA.

  • Comment 188, posted at 10.03.19 22:42:18 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • Well just one more post before I quit this topic. Let’s be reminded that Rob has had the time – he has been coaching the team for more than 3 years now. He has the players – most pundits will agree that we have and have had the healthiest looking team sheet for a while now. He had had the resources – he has arguably one of the best assistant coach teams in terms if sheer experience, he also has unequivocal backing from his superiors. He has no excuse. When he doesn’t deliver it’s down to incompetence or indifference.

  • Comment 189, posted at 11.03.19 06:51:50 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 188) : That would be awesome, but perhaps there are burned pieces of what once was a bridge in the way of that. Depends on whether Mr Teichman could convince Mr White. Agreed, under White, the team was prepared. He’s being wasted in Japan.

  • Comment 190, posted at 11.03.19 06:53:22 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 188) : @SeanJeff (Comment 190) : not really a great White fan. For me he’s a bit of a “divider” rather than “uniter”. Look at the Bulls they when “old school” in appointing Pote Human and he’s bringing the results! Why because he is a strong leader that can unite the players into a strong team without taking any nonsense!!!
    As for White being able to pull high quality players, I really can’t see any player that will leave the big Japanese and European money to play in SA just because White is coaching the Sharks! I really don’t think Brits and Vermeulen signed with the Bulls because of the coach but rather a feeling that they want to return and play in SA and Bulls offered most money.

  • Comment 191, posted at 11.03.19 09:00:50 by JD Reply
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  • I am not surprised by the result but disappointed. We are short at lock and loose forward without Paul and Jean Luc. This is the end of a cycle and it looks like it will peter out once again into mediocrity. We begin to build again next year and hope for better in another three years time I suppose.

    I think Gary needs to be held accountable by the fans. We signed only one player(Ruben Van Heerden) a lock when we have average locks coming out of our ears. We have players announcing in week two that they leaving and we have not really got back up in place for them. You cant tell me he didnt know they were going. It is admirable to try and develop young players from within and that should continue but a pro team signing not one first team player is not really going to get much better.

    John Smit tried too much and Gary Teichman tries nothing and you know what their results are exactly the same. 1 Currie Cup title in three years and thats all. I can tell you almost for certain though that we would have a different coach under JS and we would have signed some players. Not able to say for the better but he really tried to get results.

    Sorry for the rant but its too early in the year to know we cant really challenge.

  • Comment 192, posted at 11.03.19 09:25:06 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • Oh geez, once again the insecurity that is a Sharks supporter has spent the weekend gnawing away at their wrists leaving this site splattered with blood, gore and bone…..(not backbone mind you).

  • Comment 193, posted at 11.03.19 10:07:01 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 192) : share your sentiments. I think Gary and Rob are a bad combination. There’s really been no attempt to recruit quality at 4-8 especially with the twins being so injury prone. Maybe they must ale us into their confidence and tell us the players they tried to lure to Durban but said no. Unfortunately Hyron Andrews (biggest culprit – a poor man’s Fudge Mabeta), Vermuluen, Voslo, Stringer may be good guys but are CC material at best. Let’s not forget that we won the CC with our first choice players. The Stormers didn’t have Frans, Ginger, Eben and PSDT. Surely there are hard as nails players in the Pumas, Griquas, Kings etc…can’t we even find a few that can give some respect to the second row? Very frustrating. We lost a very good player in Oosterhuizen.

  • Comment 194, posted at 11.03.19 10:09:51 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 192) : Smit “tried” but in the process he screwed this union over royally. If we are in a mess – he is the one to thank.
    Thank heavens he won a world cup as at least that is one good thing I will remember him for.

  • Comment 195, posted at 11.03.19 10:11:28 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 195) :So the current problems where caused by smit?
    I disagree with that but what difference does it really make who caused the mess when the union is pretty happy with the current situation.

  • Comment 196, posted at 11.03.19 10:38:59 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 196) : What is the current situation really – we lost 2 games – never nice, nor the way that we lost them. Take a step back though and look at the Sharks holistically from when Teichman took over and see if you can see the wood for the trees.

    As for Smit, track down Mike Greenaway and have a chat to see exactly what “Sharks intellectual property” was eviscerated from the union in that time.

  • Comment 197, posted at 11.03.19 11:17:20 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 197) : We have won 2/4 and have yet to tour to Argentina or Oz/Nz we have beaten the Blues and Sunwolves who sit 12 and 13 on the log. This is the culmination of a three year plan we have been asked to be patient for 3 years and we get this! I am not pleased. I think most agreed on here that anything less than a semi would be a failure and I cant see us making a semi and its only week 4.

    You may be right on the Smit issue to be honest I dont know much about what Gary is doing in terms of the finances etc.

    You are much more patient than I am because this means we can basically forget about competing for the next three years while the whole team and hopefully coaching staff is overhauled and that presumes we actually sign a player next year.

  • Comment 198, posted at 11.03.19 11:47:01 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 198) : Every team in SupeRugby aspires to win the woale damn thing, never mind the semis. We cant all do that and what makes this team with its current stocks and coaches any better than any of those other teams (with arguably better personnel all round, and full stadiums at their back) that have preceded them – none of whom have ever lifted the trophy. Times for SA teams are tough and getting tougher.

    I am patient, you see, to me pissing with the big dogs is already way above the station of where the rugby in this province has come from when my support for them started. My support for the team does not waiver, its really as simple as that.

  • Comment 199, posted at 11.03.19 12:34:12 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • I always support the side and hope they win I respect that your support is even stronger. I do not think that means I cant criticize the players and or coaching staff and I also like to believe we can be more than mediocre. The lions havent had full stadiums or excellent sides yet they have reached three consecutive finals.

    Lets hope things turn around and we can begin to believe again.

  • Comment 200, posted at 11.03.19 13:16:36 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 197) : Nope. The problem is that we lost 2 executing the same failed plan and a marked degrade in communication and handling skills. If these don’t ring alarm bells then how about adding that our coach sees nothing wrong with the plan even when every other expert and pundit and even armchair jockey does. The point if playing crashball is to get the defense to consolidate and bring their lines closer then capitalize on that forced formation. We crash 5 times with no aim and then continue crashing since there is no other plan. Players run around aimlessly with no plan or structure or intent. This is a far cry from game 1 and 2 the increased it improved defense from the opposite side taken into account. This does not cause any concerns? Then maybe we should continue this winning plan…in lieu of not being alarmist…

  • Comment 201, posted at 12.03.19 10:44:27 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 201) :Are you say that in games 1 and 2 that we played with structure and intent but in the last 2 we didnt on the express command of the coach. I find that hard to believe and would prefer thinking that maybe we just are not sticking to the game plan and are reverting back to type of bash, bash and bash. Maybe the players and on field decision makers need to put their hands up and provide answers.

  • Comment 202, posted at 12.03.19 11:55:47 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 202) : I am sure you understand responsibility and accountability. The players are responsible but the coach is accountable. Where he says it’s his fault or not he remains accountable. He has had time and resources whether he is still not making changes and or whipping the offenders is his problem he is still accountable. Whether they listen or no he is accountable what he does to make his problems go away he needs to do. He says the plan is solid and was well rehearsed. Can you agree with that statement he made given the evidence? Not only is the plan fraught with fault but poorly executed lacking dimension and somehow these well rehearsed moves suddenly have way more handling errors than game 1 and 2. Do you think he is blameless and the players are messing up? You need to understand accountability then. Like I said it comes with the job.

  • Comment 203, posted at 12.03.19 12:28:38 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 203) : Yeah the coach will always be where the buck stops and of course he is not blameless but please tell me why he was fine in games 1 and 2 but not 3 and 4 – same personnel, same coach, what changed? What should he have changed after the first 2 games, anything? I have not read / heard him say the plan is solid / well rehearsed, it didnt look that way on Saturday but it did in the first two, once again is it the coach the players or maybe both. You seem to imply that it can only be the coach that must be accountable.

    Judging from the presser I can hear that the coach is not happy with the physicality of the players and that they let them get bullied in both the last 2 games, I agree so lets see what gets done about it.

  • Comment 204, posted at 12.03.19 13:29:02 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 203) : @coolfusion (Comment 203) : Very well put i haven’t read this point so well articulated before regarding responsibility and accountability.

  • Comment 205, posted at 12.03.19 13:39:21 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 204) : After four matches and a 50% success rate, the Cell C Sharks coach admitted that, “I think the plan was solid, the last two weeks were very good as far as training goes, but when you come up against a side who are really clinical in their execution and you can’t get going, it’s always going to be difficult”

    http://sharksrugby.co.za/reflections-2/

  • Comment 206, posted at 12.03.19 13:44:51 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 204) : Ja look as I said the players can be responsible since execution is mainly up to them. But not accountable since the highest control does not lie with them. To be honest I myself have been blinded by game 1 and 2 but excessive capacity can sometimes mask some other deficiency. For example if you have a powerful engine you are less likely to notice a decrease in power due to another smaller issue but a small car will immediately falter, right? We had less trying defense to worry about they may have been slower to solidify defenses when we were testing it with crashing and by the time they did we already made our mule breakthrough. Teams who shore up faster and therefore become able to counter and compete for the ball is way harder and even dangerous if you have a poorly executed one dimension strategy. But cast your mind back to game 1 and 2 weren’t there times you got frustrated when we kept going first channel and phase 1 with a waiting backline? Kept crashing it up. We did feel we bought the right to go wide eventually but we always need a significant advantage before we will employ other tactics. When we feel insecure we go to last week’s game plan and hope for an eventual couple of breakthroughs. So the results we score some early openers it builds a buffer we may remain lucky and a few more crash test plays pay off. The Eventually the opposing team wises up. Some way quicker than others and scoring slows down in the second half till it tips and they start gaining some points back but too late to make a difference. We all jump up and down and feel our side is a bit if alright when they actually just played the same readable defendable game against a dumber it less experienced side. Sound familiar if you cast your mind back? We have been bamboozled, this team is not coached right the plan has huge cracks and the coach tells the world all is ok. Either he is lying through his teeth or he doesn’t know any better. Both scenarios are bad for sharks.

  • Comment 207, posted at 12.03.19 14:03:10 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 207) : i commented during the Sunwolves game that the pack still looks uncoached. That they were still doing the predictable stationary one off runners that were isolated, there was still poor rucking once those runners got tackled, there was still poor ball presentation at rucks, lack of variety, lack of manipulation (eg.. – 3 players running with their hands out and the scrum half picking the player in space), the intensity and urgency from the forwards and Louis which kills the momentum… and was called a “premature ejaculator” by The Hound because the score looked good… the wheels were always going to come off against a pack that was not going to take shit from our front row. For me it’s not about the win or lose but about the process and systems drilled into players. Those comes from coaching. Those systems are the ones that will give you more consistency and enable you to build a base from… hence a 3 year plan which the stakeholders can buy into. Rob seems to not know where he is loosing the game and is therefore reinvent himself every year without getting to the crux of the issue… remember last year’s offload game plan which had so many flaws?? In terms of acquisitions, why wasn’t an experienced player like Frans Louw signed for the 2019 campaign? Sure he would have wanted to play in SA this year so as to secure his place in the RWC squad, and then go back to Bath in 2020! To me there’s also a lack of vision from management. Can we also get Jimmy Stonehouse to come coach our forwards.. the jobs for pals at our expense is tiring.

  • Comment 208, posted at 13.03.19 02:12:50 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 208) : I think there is a jobs for pals aspect that Gary has bought in. Also he has decided to scrap buying players and invest in youth which is all well and good except we cant keep them once they get up to speed so we will never have a team to compete we just become a factory.

    I think Gary has tried to bring back values from his days but the game has moved on and there needs to be a professional approach. Robert du Preez should have been gone at the end of last season not because of finishing 8 but because we had a player revolt that Gary had to fly to NZ to sort out. How does your coach keep his job after that? Simple he has 3 key starters as sons and hence we couldn’t get rid of him without upsetting his boys.

    I really like your stonehouse idea but as head coach. Lets give him crack on a two year deal and see where it goes.

  • Comment 209, posted at 13.03.19 09:43:44 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 209) : Tell us more about this player revolt that had Teichman flying to NZ to sort out?

  • Comment 210, posted at 13.03.19 11:38:34 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 210) : Well we know he had to intervene last year whether for motivation or player discontent I dont know but neither is a good reflection on a head coach.

  • Comment 211, posted at 13.03.19 11:47:20 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 211) : I dont know anything about it, explain what happened. As far as I can remember we were pretty awesome in NZ, hardly the results of a team with issues.

  • Comment 212, posted at 13.03.19 11:59:23 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 212) : Yip 100% the intervention was after the Rebels game. The only direct article I can find was that Gary gave the squad a message to give it their all and not be afraid to lose.

    We certainly played better after those kind words. Shows he was a great captain for a reason.

  • Comment 213, posted at 13.03.19 12:02:59 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 213) : Ok, but how does that translate into open revolt against the coach (and his 3 very good rugby playing sons)

  • Comment 214, posted at 13.03.19 14:21:01 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 214) : Maybe I am wrong on the revolt and it was motivation issue but I think there was more to it than a simple pep talk.

  • Comment 215, posted at 13.03.19 15:08:24 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 215) : You are a tough task master, you want the coach and his sons summarily fired for a revolt which probably never was. :twisted:

  • Comment 216, posted at 13.03.19 16:36:25 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 215) : I’m not sure about a player revolt but a sports journalist mate of mine told me that the players liked Dick Muir more (trying to be very diplomatic here cause i think the players have now warmed up to Rob) and enjoyed his coaching. They felt he understood them better and were eager to buy in into his approach which was not 100% aligned with Rob’s approach. Apparently the guys were very upset when he left. And the were rumours that Dick left because him and Rob didn’t agree on playing styles and who to play at 10.

  • Comment 217, posted at 13.03.19 16:56:30 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • Bosch doesn’t do himself any favors though. Then again someone posted a comment, not sure whether it was here or on Rugby365, saying that fact that Bosch having not developed after 3 years of being coached by Rob is an indictment on Rob’s coaching. I do fell though that Bosch must take some accountability for where his rugby is at.

  • Comment 218, posted at 13.03.19 17:00:57 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 217) : Rob Jr is by far the better flyhalf of the two. I cannot believe that Muir would not renew his contract because of a preference for Bosch. That sounds more like a conspiracy dreamed up by the crowd at sarugbymag or keo

  • Comment 219, posted at 13.03.19 17:15:45 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 219) : https://www.sarugbymag.co.za/muir-wanted-bosch-at-10-for-sharks/

  • Comment 220, posted at 13.03.19 17:41:52 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 219) : maybe journalists are ganging up against the Sharks. Even the Chiliboy steroid article the day before the Bulls game was to distract the team!

  • Comment 221, posted at 13.03.19 17:43:58 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 220) : Article quotes Rapport as its source

  • Comment 222, posted at 13.03.19 19:56:15 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 216) : Summarily fired? No I said he should have gone at the end of last season. If he had we would most likely not have won the Currie Cup though but we could potentially have been doing better in Super Rugby or possibly we would be worse but at least there would be ambition instead of inertia.

  • Comment 223, posted at 14.03.19 08:41:51 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 222) : I dont think Dick left over the Bosch issue alone but possibly as a result of a conflict of styles with Robert.

  • Comment 224, posted at 14.03.19 08:44:52 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 224) : Dick was appointed as a consultant and the contract was not renewed. I never found any statements on the matter from Muir himself.

    So he could have decided to move on because he needed a new challenge – he does come across as a restless personality who likes to try different things. Or he could have left because he disliked the working conditions – people do that all the time. Or the Sharks could have felt he does not add enough value in the setup and not renewed the contract. Or …

    All we had in the papers was some ludicrous conjecture about Muir leaving over Bosch not playing 10.

    Conflict of styles is a good thing in a coaching setup – you do need assistant coaches that can challenge the head coach. That is why Jake and Eddie worked so well as a unit for the Boks

  • Comment 225, posted at 14.03.19 09:02:59 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • I think Muir is too decent to take any issue to the press so as you say all we left with is conjecture. It certainly is good to have different strengths among coaches but it can also lead to friction which was possibly the case.

    Have you read the Odwa Ndugane interview on Sport24 and the Garth April one they don’t really paint a happy picture of the sharks. The Odwa one was very reveling for me. Diplomatic and indirect but It suggests if you read between the lines that there are issues and this was a player who played under du preez.

    https://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/SuperRugby/odwa-ndungane-chats-to-sport24-20180706

    “In terms of my former team, the Sharks, I would hope that coach Robert du Preez is creating a good culture in Durban. It’s important for players to be happy and enjoy what they are doing. Talent can only get you so far and team work will always prevail in the end. The Sharks have traditionally been a team that has featured in the playoffs and, even though we have always fallen short, we have always been in with a shout. From the outside looking in, one would hope that there is a big buy-in from the players. I’m sure it must be difficult having his three boys in the squad, but I would hope that Du Preez is managing that very well.”

  • Comment 226, posted at 14.03.19 09:14:34 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • I know there is a lot of speculation about Muir and why he left, and agree that he is too decent to trash his former employer on the way out the door. One thing that I have not heard those discussing this issue consider is that Muir was head coach of the Sharks in arguably THE most successful SuperRugby season in 2007, finishing top of the log and hosting the final (not to mention beating the ‘Saders in the semis). Since he took up the assistant role with the Boks for the RWC he has never had a sniff at a full coach gig. Surely he should be sought after as a head coach, and probably was not thrilled to be “only a” consultant. Sure there may be disagreements with Rob regarding strategy and player selection, but that doesn’t mean they don’t or can’t get along. My guess is Muir really would like to have another opportunity to be a head coach. Maybe after Rob and his boys leave? We could do a lot worse in my opinion than having Dick Muir as head coach.

  • Comment 227, posted at 14.03.19 16:36:30 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 226) : Excellent interview responses by Odwa. The questions were fairly shallow but he provided very detailed and deep responses, he is very articulate. Odwa talks about Sbu’s incredible work rate…..well he learned it from the best in Odwa, what a wonderful role model for Sbu in his first two years, Odwa was always one of the hardest working wings in world rugby, always looking for work and popping up unexpectedly. I will always remember that when Chavhanga set the record for most tries in a match (6 against Uruguay), Odwa was on the right wing, and he was the one that made the last pass to Chavhanga on 4 of the 6 tries, coming off his wing to draw their cover defense and making a great pass to Chavhanga for an easy run in try. That match in my opinion epitomized Odwa and his playing style, never seemed to get the glory, but amazing at finding work and setting others up.

  • Comment 228, posted at 14.03.19 20:01:45 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 228) : The value of good mentorship. I have always advocated this, and wondered why the sharks didn’t bring in past legends to pair up with players to guide them. Guys like Bosch Am Vosloo Andrews Koegie etc getting some individual advice from Montgomery, Mark Andrews etc. Coaches can look at overall training of units but how much value is there in individual schooling in the finer points and ethics if your position.

  • Comment 229, posted at 15.03.19 06:07:33 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 228) : This comment needs to receive more love than was generated at Woodstock ’69.

  • Comment 230, posted at 15.03.19 07:24:50 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 228) : I always rated Odwa as a player. He was able to maximize his ability through hard work and a good rugby brain. Became so reliable and as you say what a mentor for young wings and players in general.

    I am glad his is getting exposure as a pundit because he can add real value to the discussions.

    It would be nice as cool fusion suggests for the sharks to set up a sort of mentorship with past players. It keeps them involved passes on experience and most of all the values of the team.

  • Comment 231, posted at 15.03.19 08:38:38 by Byron Wright Reply

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