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Remains of the season


Written by Henk Terblanche (Bokhoring)

Posted in :Super Rugby on 6 May 2019 at 09:23

The first objective for Super Rugby teams is to finish top of their conference in order to get a home quarter final (unless you end up playing the quarter final in your own country). The next objective would be to finish at the top of the log (or at least at position #2) to increase your chances of a home semi and final. So lets have a look at the SA conference to see where we at so far:

Log Pos. Team Played Wins Draws Losses Point Diff. Points
2 (QF) Bulls 10 6 0 4 49 28
5 (qf) Sharks 11 5 1 5 41 28
6 (qf) Jaguares 10 6 0 4 18 27
8 (qf) Stormers 11 5 0 6 -25 24
11 Lions 10 5 0 5 -55 22

Bulls -  WLWWLWLWLW Crusaders (home), Rebels (away), Brumbies (away), Blues (away), Highlanders (away), Lions (home)
Sharks – WWLLWLWLLWD Chiefs (away), Lions (home), Hurricanes (home), Jaguares (away), Stormers (away)
Jaguares – LWWLLLWWWW Highlanders (away), Hurricanes (away), Waratahs (away), Reds (away), Sharks (home), Sunwolves (home)
Stormers – LWWWLLWLWL  Crusaders (home), Highlanders (home), Lions (away), Sunwolves (home), Sharks (home)
Lions – WLLWWWLLWL Waratahs (home), Highlanders (home), Sharks (away), Stormers (home), Hurricanes (home), Bulls (away)

The Bulls overtook the Sharks at the top of the conference by virtue of winning one more game. They have a tough assignment in playing the Crusaders at home before departing on a 4 week Australasian tour before finishing to the Lions at home. The Bulls seldomly tour well but should fancy their chances against the Blues. They do have the advantage over the Sharks of still having to play six games.

The Sharks should fancy their chances against the Chiefs. After that they have home and away derbies against the Lions and Stormers, and tough assignments against the Hurricanes at home and Jaguares away.

The Jaguares still have to complete an Australasian tour, but as we saw last year could be quite capable of winning all 4 (although the Hurricanes and Highlanders should offer a much sterner challenge than the Blues and Chiefs). They also have six games left to play.

The Stormers will play all remaining 5 games in SA, but will still have to host the Crusaders and Highlanders.

The Lions also have a game in hand and will play all remaining games in SA. They do however have to face the Hurricanes (somewhat of a bogey team for them) at home, plus away derbies against the Sharks and Bulls.

With 6 log points between the conference leader and bottom team it is really impossible to predict which team will top the conference at the business end. Even the Lions could make a late charge.

I am keeping my eye on the Jaguares. They have picked up momentum, but they do still have a tough tour to complete.

I would rather not make any predictions about the Sharks – seems to be hell bent on proving that Heisenberg’s principle applies to rugby as well. They could very well end up top of the log, but really can’t afford dropping too many games.

 

 

 

 



71 Comments

  • It could have been plain sailing if we could have just won our home games. In what universe do players perform better away from their home ground.

  • Comment 1, posted at 06.05.19 11:29:18 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 1) : Even winning two of those lost home games would have put the Sharks in a pretty decent position

  • Comment 2, posted at 06.05.19 11:36:24 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • We are consistently inconsistent. Those home games we threw away are still going to bite us.

    I think we will still make the playoffs, just not as Conference winners. But hey, there’s still a chance.

  • Comment 3, posted at 06.05.19 11:43:54 by StevieS Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 3) : The losses of winnable games and being severely hampered by it later has been a consistent trait for the past few years. See, consistent.

  • Comment 4, posted at 06.05.19 12:32:36 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 4) : And what have we as fans done, consistently – yes, call for the coach to be fired. It will be the same when poor Lambkins takes up the job.

  • Comment 5, posted at 06.05.19 13:04:14 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • In keeping with the consistently inconsistent theme, I’m expecting the Sharks to take a 50 point hiding this weekend…

  • Comment 6, posted at 06.05.19 13:32:12 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 6) : Yip most people seem to be backing us to win so then its likely we lose.

    I am of the view that in year 3 fans are entitled to expect consistently good performances from coach if not its time to look at other options. The squad wont be stronger next year and with the same coach there is no reason to believe that results will be better.

  • Comment 7, posted at 06.05.19 13:36:25 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 7) : I agree. I’m not going to belabour that point though. Whoever wants to listen will the rest will keep on arguing that everyone else out there is wrong or has an agenda when they criticize mediocrity and under performance.

  • Comment 8, posted at 06.05.19 14:10:21 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 6) : Ja the pattern could hold. Let’s hope not though.

  • Comment 9, posted at 06.05.19 14:11:16 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 5) : Dude answer your own first comment. You practically admitted we have almost unbelievable or incredible inconsistency and yet we should not blame those responsible for the task of creating and sustainig consistency and success. Or maybe it’s going to be a wait and see for another 3 years? At the risk if demanding a high standard if performance and consistency. Ja you’re right I say call for a new coach every 3 years if they cannot pull it together in that time. Absolutely!

  • Comment 10, posted at 06.05.19 14:15:48 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 10) : Pote human coaching a team for less than half a year, a team who has been together for 1 year. Beat us twice. at home. Let’s wait 3 more years

  • Comment 11, posted at 06.05.19 14:21:32 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 11) : Beat us twice not at home twice. To clarify sentence.

  • Comment 12, posted at 06.05.19 14:23:29 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 10) : Nothing wrong with changing coaches but if you do you better make sure you get one that is a whole lot better than what you have – talking reality here, not wish lists and pipe dreams, factor in all the variables (player corps, our financial and political desirability, crowd attendances, Durban etc) and let me know who you come up with. Keep it real.

    And as for losing games that we dominated but royally screwed up on the field, well I feel that the players can take a good share of that blame (I know you guys think its ok for some guys not to be able to catch the ball with an open tryline in front of them, or not to pass to the guy on the overlap). Fact is the players have at times been abysmal at at times as well and have themselves contributed big time to those losses.

  • Comment 13, posted at 06.05.19 14:41:31 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 11) :
    Ok then, so what does a first win against the Waraths in 19 years count for, ditto a draw to snuffle the Crusaders match winning record of wins and the drubbing of the 3 times in a row high flying Lions in Johannesburg count for then – surely by that reckoning these feats must count for something.

  • Comment 14, posted at 06.05.19 14:55:12 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 14) : Dude. Let’s not. Go look at 2016 coach Gary gold. Round 12 sharks played 11 won 6 draw 1 and 1 bye 30 points…. 2019 coach Robert du Preez round 12 played 10 won 5 draw 1 and 2 byes. 28 points. Byes taken into account Gary is up by how much? Gary got how many years? I agreed then and now he (Gary) wasn’t good enough and should have left.

  • Comment 15, posted at 06.05.19 15:13:16 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 15) : I think it doesn’t count enough.

  • Comment 16, posted at 06.05.19 15:14:24 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 15) : Sorry 2019 played 11 not 10. So even worse.

  • Comment 17, posted at 06.05.19 15:15:31 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 17) : And before we say Gary inherited a skilled squad. Let’s ask why our squad is still less skilled after 3 years. Why Gary’s guys could remember how to play between one coach and the other and our current guys seem to forget how to do the basics from one week to the next.

  • Comment 18, posted at 06.05.19 15:18:51 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 18) : I would love to know why our guys are so inconsistent, I really would and Im sure so would all the coaches involved with them I dont have the answers but am not petty enough to lay all the blame at one persons door. The players also need to take responsibility for their shortcomings on game day.

  • Comment 19, posted at 06.05.19 15:27:42 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 19) : I agree we have to be realistic when we look for a new coach. But first we must be realistic about the current one. As for players, did we just get the luck if the draw and get the ultimate combo of slowest learning quickest forgetting players in the series? I think not. There is something else. You know this.

  • Comment 20, posted at 06.05.19 15:30:50 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 13) : We not going to get an established top coach with our financial constraints so we will need to look for someone who is looking to make his mark. Who was scott Robertson as a coach, when he took over the crusaders?

    Players are certainly held accountable by fans we can read after each game fans calling for this change or that to the players but at the end of the day we cant afford to replace players on mass for bad performances so we must hold those that picked and recruited them accountable. RDP has about a 45% win record over three years and it was actually best in year 1.

    If you look at the side a big portion have come in under RDP this is his team most were not even here or in the super rugby squad when Gary Gold was in charge. RDP said he had the players to win this year and we must accept he was either correct and has failed or incorrect and cannot judge talent. Hey maybe he wins the whole thing then I would have been properly put in my place.

  • Comment 21, posted at 06.05.19 15:37:25 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 20) : There is something, but what and why does it get laid at the feet of just one person. I dont get that mindset, to me its a cop out and an easy option.

    How is the player screwing up royally on the field the coaches fault. Maybe its just a Durban thing – that could in time become a viable excuse.

  • Comment 22, posted at 06.05.19 15:48:41 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 21) : Ja look I really hope in 2 months time the guys tell me I was wrong and it was all part of the master plan by genius coach Rob du Preez and look we have a super rugby trophy to show for it, or even a narrow loss in the final. I’ll happily be wrong…

  • Comment 23, posted at 06.05.19 15:49:38 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 22) : Ja look maybe round about December or some time in the future we will know. I don’t ridicule anyone’s opinions or call them part if a circus. For the Simple reason that all of this is speculation without fact whether you are probably against. Only an arrogant blow hard thinks he can discount any opinions while no- one has concrete facts. But I stick with my speculation for now….

  • Comment 24, posted at 06.05.19 15:53:41 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 24) : Sorry meant to say pro or against the prevailing opinions.

  • Comment 25, posted at 06.05.19 15:54:39 by coolfusion Reply

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  • I look at that table above and it truly amazes me that we are being picked out as the model of inconsistency fuck me on that chart who is consistent, the Bulls who have yet to travel, the Stormers who won 2 out of their last 15 away games, the Lions who are unable to win without Warren Whitely and he can’t string two games together,The Jaguars who are the very epitome of inconsistency.
    6 points against the Warratahs and Crusaders away from home, pretty consistent to me.
    Next thing that makes me laugh is the winging that the Crusaders had three All Blacks missing we’ve played the whole year without Jean Luc,Phillip and Ruan.Weve had both twins for two games and it shows.
    Best is still to come believe me.

  • Comment 26, posted at 06.05.19 15:57:30 by The hound Reply
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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 21) : I believe that we have the players to win the competition on the right day but as a team they are way too inconsistent. The coaches know this and can you imagine how it must frustrate them. I have seen enough of this team to know that they can do it all but there is no way I would put any money on them to do it.

    So where do we find our Scott Robertson…..maybe it is Lambkins as Tony Watson suggests.

  • Comment 27, posted at 06.05.19 16:01:06 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 26) : Its our home games that are the bugbear of inconsistency – we have almost always traveled well but this years home games (losses) have just been such weird affairs.

  • Comment 28, posted at 06.05.19 16:06:23 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 27) : The sad thing is this. SR 2019 is a mediocre competition compared with past SR conferences. Yes everyone is misfiring apart from Crusaders. But this is not an out or an excuse. I refuse to believe anyone who will ever be successful will allow themselves to be relegated to sub standards just to save face or explain away a problem. If every one is misfiring more is the reason to feel sad that we couldn’t even rise above the mediocre how much less will we rise above the adequate or the exceptional? None. Not In 3 years nor in 5. This should have been our year. I find little to celebrate here.

  • Comment 29, posted at 06.05.19 16:11:00 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 28) : Ive been to every one of those home games and the only team to really belt us were the Jaguars who on their on day can do that to anyone,rember watching them on the same park doing it to the Springboks in the very recent past.
    The other measure of consistency is the points difference column we are sitting on plus 41 as opposed to Lions minus 55 that’s a difference of 96 points in11 games reckon Swys should pack up all his medication and head for the exit if anyone should.

  • Comment 30, posted at 06.05.19 16:16:17 by The hound Reply
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  • Stormers had 13 of Erasmus current Springboks on the field against the Jaguars,which they lost ,we had Thomas as a probable ,Am,Esterhuzen and Nkosi as probables, so why was this our year.

  • Comment 31, posted at 06.05.19 16:21:09 by The hound Reply
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  • Anyone know if Kerron will make the next game? Injury list update only shows Beast and Schoeman so far…

  • Comment 32, posted at 06.05.19 16:22:01 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 32) : Where on earth did you see an official injury list update?

  • Comment 33, posted at 06.05.19 16:25:35 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 33) : There is a super rugby list posted for all SR teams not by sharks (of course)

  • Comment 34, posted at 06.05.19 16:26:53 by coolfusion Reply

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  • https://super-rugby-injury-list.com/i/latest

  • Comment 35, posted at 06.05.19 16:27:59 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 30) : Only place Swys is heading to is Japan with the Boks.

  • Comment 36, posted at 06.05.19 16:32:16 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 36) : Yup he’s going as the mental coach.

  • Comment 37, posted at 06.05.19 16:42:44 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 37) : Eina. Maybe he can work on our lot (here and on the field at some stage)

  • Comment 38, posted at 06.05.19 16:49:11 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 13) : We have seen these errors and mistakes with a number of coaches – the players also need to take some responsibility. However we saw what happened when a coach demanded that players put in extra training time.

    Classic example for me was a guy like Burden (absolute dynamic player but really poor lineout thrower – Sharks locks use to have to steal ball from the opposition to win a lineout) going to the NH and having a faultless lineout for the World XV throwing against Victor Matfield. It took Toulon to get him to sort out his primary function.

  • Comment 39, posted at 06.05.19 16:57:54 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 39) : It’s just a shame that players don’t demand absolute best of themselves anymore. Take that extra day from your own personal time to perfect your craft.

  • Comment 40, posted at 06.05.19 18:14:50 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 38) : @The hound (Comment 37) : He can bring his own psychiatrist :mrgreen: :twisted: and share his medication. :shock:

  • Comment 41, posted at 06.05.19 19:44:25 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • What’s truly shocking is that Beat is out for 4 to 5 months, presumably for the RWC, and no announcement from Sharks or Boks?

  • Comment 42, posted at 06.05.19 20:04:30 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 42) : Sharks have probably not yet told the Boks that Beast is injured.

  • Comment 43, posted at 06.05.19 20:13:24 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 43) : Yup, and with Juan out for 6 weeks, it looks like we are going to have to rely a great deal on Tank and Coenie, with Johnny and Majola (?) as backup…..very thin at prop for the remainder of the SuperRugby season. :sad: :evil:

  • Comment 44, posted at 06.05.19 20:19:09 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • So a very telling stat…the team that won on Saturday to go back to the top of their conference (the Bulls) clocked a crowd of 7483 on Saturday. :shock: I think that probably says a lot about the state of SA Rugby…

  • Comment 45, posted at 06.05.19 20:47:49 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 44) : Very, very thin!!

  • Comment 46, posted at 06.05.19 20:48:51 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 45) : That is sad

  • Comment 47, posted at 06.05.19 22:05:59 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 1) :

    Because they have to play home games in a decrepit, rinkedink rugby stadium.

    Anyone would be disheartened and demoralized considering the modern, beautiful, but unused facility next door.

  • Comment 48, posted at 06.05.19 23:55:26 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 48) : We should play all our home games “next door” for the remainder of the season. Technically it is an away game. At the moment the boys perform better than at KP. Makes you think about Tony Watson eluding to strife in the camp if they do better when not playing at base camp

  • Comment 49, posted at 07.05.19 06:47:55 by jdolivier Reply

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  • The young props need to put their hands up now. We are going to need to treat Thomas carefully. What have we got to work with Mchunu and Majola? How ready are they? Neither proven in big games. Meyer needs to understudy Coenie. So maybe Retread Burden I into a Hooker/LHP if necessary? That’s if he ever gets past practice….just spitballing though.

  • Comment 50, posted at 07.05.19 08:45:53 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Beast says he has a grade one ligament tear and should be back in 4 weeks. So he should be fine for the WC but will probably only return for the Sharks come play-off time.

  • Comment 51, posted at 07.05.19 08:57:12 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 51) : 4 weeks. That’s better. I thought I heard someone say 4 months.

  • Comment 52, posted at 07.05.19 09:11:57 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 50) : I wonder if Burden ever thought that he would be touted as a prop or even a hooker while playing at centre / wing in his younger years.

  • Comment 53, posted at 07.05.19 10:01:34 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 41) : :mrgreen: :lol:

  • Comment 54, posted at 07.05.19 10:02:31 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Apart from an ill-advised choice of words in response to criticism, Rob Sr still seems psychologically OK regardless of all the surprises his players have pulled on him.

    Looking at all 4 our super teams being all over the place, you can see it is really tough coaching in SA.

  • Comment 55, posted at 07.05.19 10:39:03 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 55) : Yeah, its seems they are dropping like flies.

  • Comment 56, posted at 07.05.19 10:45:04 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 53) : Imagine if he could play center or wing again. I would hate getting in the way of that steam train.

  • Comment 57, posted at 07.05.19 12:30:28 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Any news on Kerron? I assume he will be ok because I haven’t read that a replacement has been called and we only toured with two hookers I think.

    The next three games need to be won if we are to stand a chance of topping the conference. Away games against the jaguars and stormers are not where you want to be looking to make up points.

  • Comment 58, posted at 07.05.19 14:07:22 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • In other news Buthelezi selected as Baby Bok squad captain for the championships. Congratulations young man.

  • Comment 59, posted at 07.05.19 14:47:12 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 59) : If Im not mistaken having Sharks boys captain the junior team has generally worked out well for the baby boks. I think Jon Smit and Alistar Hargreaves were both successful winning the world title as captains.

    I wouldnt mind if we went all the way but all indications are that we are in for a hard time.

  • Comment 60, posted at 07.05.19 15:22:16 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 60) : Agreed, after England dismantled the Baby Boks in the lead up. I’m very happy to have Buthelezi selected as captain, shows he has the leadership skills that are sorely needed at the Sharks. He has already had some SuperRugby experience, and with the seeming likelihood of one or both twins leaving in a year or two, his playing ability and leadership skills will be sorely needed. At this point Dan is vice captain, he takes over when Louis is off, and I like his quiet leadership, and he has been fantastic this season.

  • Comment 61, posted at 07.05.19 16:09:29 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 58) : away games is the only place we make up points! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 62, posted at 07.05.19 19:09:19 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 51) : Time for Thomas to shine, glad beast will be back sooner than anticipated

  • Comment 63, posted at 07.05.19 21:54:40 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 60) : Clyde Rathbone as well, no?

  • Comment 64, posted at 07.05.19 23:56:28 by Karl Reply

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  • @Karl (Comment 64) : Not sure, will have to check it out.

  • Comment 65, posted at 09.05.19 08:41:56 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 65) : Captained the 2002 U/21 Champions coached by Jake

  • Comment 66, posted at 09.05.19 09:26:28 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 62) : ha ha true!

  • Comment 67, posted at 09.05.19 09:35:03 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 66) : That is the one thing I never managed to get my head around ,how a guy from Amanzimtoti,playing on the wing for Kingsway High School made it into the SA school’s team and went on to captain the SA under 21′s.
    Can’t think another player especially in South Africa who ever captained from the wing.

  • Comment 68, posted at 09.05.19 12:15:43 by The hound Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 61) : I was surprised to see that Dan took over the captaincy and I think he did well, by all accounts he too will be leaving in 2020 so having an experienced, young leader will be vital going forward – we really are in need of good leadership candidates going forward.

  • Comment 69, posted at 09.05.19 12:20:58 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 66) : even better news then – Pepsi has some big boots to fill.

  • Comment 70, posted at 09.05.19 12:21:56 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • No one can captain the U21 team not since 2008 anyways.

  • Comment 71, posted at 09.05.19 13:23:59 by coolfusion Reply

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