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Sharks team for the Stormers


Written by Henk Terblanche (Bokhoring)

Posted in :Sharks on 13 Jun 2019 at 13:44

Two injury hit teams will fight each other for the privilege to travel to Christchurch or Argentina. Sharks will be without Curwin Bosch and Ruan Botha (plus JLDP, PvdW, Akker, Burden) whereas the Stormers will miss Kolisi, PSDT, Etzebeth and Jantjies. This should probably make the Sharks favourites for this match.

Sharks

15 Aphelele Fassi, 14 S’bu Nkosi, 13 Lukhanyo Am, 12 Andre Esterhuizen, 11 Makazole Mapimpi, 10 Robert du Preez, 9 Louis Schreuder (captain), 8 Daniel du Preez, 7 Tyler Paul, 6 Jacques Vermeulen, 5 Hyron Andrews, 4 Ruben van Heerden, 3 Coenie Oosthuizen, 2 Kerron van Vuuren, 1 Tendai Mtawarira

Substitutes: 16 Cullen Collopy, 17 Mzamo Majola, 18 Thomas du Toit, 19 Gideon Koegelenberg, 20 Luke Stringer, 21 Cameron Wright, 22 Jeremy Ward, 23 Rhyno Smith

Stormers

15 Dillyn Leyds, 14 Seabelo Senatla, 13 JJ Engelbrecht, 12 Damian de Allende, 11 Edwill van der Merwe, 10 Josh Stander, 9 Jano Vermaak1, 8 Jaco Coetzee, 7 Johan du Toit, 6 Ernst van Rhyn, 5 Chris van Zyl, 4 Cobus Wiese, 3 Frans Malherbe, 2 Bongi Mbonambi, 1 Steven Kitshoff (captain)

Substitutes: 16 Scarra Ntubeni, 17 Corne Fourie, 18 Wilco Louw, 19 David Meihuizen, 20 Chris Massyn, 21 Justin Phillips, 22 Jean-Luc du Plessis, 23 Dan Kriel



158 Comments

  • This is a must win. I shall reserve my judgment until after the match.

  • Comment 1, posted at 13.06.19 15:59:26 by Keagan_Sharks Reply
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  • At this stage of the comp, and given the season the Sharks have had, all I say is may the best team on the day win. Hopefully it will at least be somewhat entertaining and not a snore-fest

  • Comment 2, posted at 13.06.19 16:55:30 by Choochi Reply
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  • With every variable considered, there’s just no way. And miracles happen so seldom. Looking forward to the naive hope of a new coach’s reign, that’s all I’ve got right now.

  • Comment 3, posted at 14.06.19 15:29:08 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • @SeanJeff (Comment 3) : With you on that. Even a win away at the Stormers just means more pain the next week.

  • Comment 4, posted at 14.06.19 15:53:45 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • We fighting to not be bottom of the log. I’d prefer the Stormers with Robbie Fleck as their coach to not beat us on Saturday.

  • Comment 5, posted at 14.06.19 16:54:59 by Keagan_Sharks Reply

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  • @Keagan_Sharks (Comment 5) : My heart says sharks, my head and this season says massive choke

  • Comment 6, posted at 14.06.19 19:18:48 by jdolivier Reply

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  • 6 looks like the magical log spot to achieve for the remaining contenders:
    5 plays the Canes in NZ
    6 the Brumbies in Oz
    7 the Jags in Argentina
    8 the Crusaders in NZ

    Another side effect of this ridiculous system that you are worse off at 5 than at 6. The winner of the Sharks-Stormers match could end up in 6th place either by winning with a bonus point or provided the Bulls and Lions do not draw their game.

    Can we hope for a courageous late Sharks revival like in 2012?

  • Comment 7, posted at 15.06.19 07:40:26 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 7) : I’d love to say yes but I fear not. I hope we manage the playoffs and avoid a bottom of the conference standing but the Sharks have disappointed so many times this season I might tune into the cricket to be disappointed by the proteas instead.

  • Comment 8, posted at 15.06.19 08:47:48 by Hulk Reply

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  • Going to newland today and I hope we kick their asses.

  • Comment 9, posted at 15.06.19 10:42:23 by osbal Reply

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  • Odwa should follow Breyton’s advice and look at a coaching career

  • Comment 10, posted at 15.06.19 14:49:47 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Beast out – so Majola starts

  • Comment 11, posted at 15.06.19 15:02:55 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • If we only had a nine that can speed up the game

  • Comment 12, posted at 15.06.19 15:18:31 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 12) : Or a 10 that can read a game and pass

  • Comment 13, posted at 15.06.19 15:19:52 by jdolivier Reply

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  • Good patience with ball in hand, but we need faster ruck ball and some creativity on attack

  • Comment 14, posted at 15.06.19 15:19:59 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Love how the commentators are not at all biased

  • Comment 15, posted at 15.06.19 15:25:25 by jdolivier Reply

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  • Does this ref see anything?

  • Comment 16, posted at 15.06.19 15:29:55 by byron Reply

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  • @byron (Comment 16) : He’s not been as horrible as previous refs.

  • Comment 17, posted at 15.06.19 15:32:22 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 17) : offsides…. Forward passes, accidental offsides … From both teams and nothing

  • Comment 18, posted at 15.06.19 15:35:04 by byron Reply

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  • And that’s why you look before you pass

  • Comment 19, posted at 15.06.19 15:37:24 by byron Reply

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  • Ryno intercepts a wayward pass and runs all the way to score.

  • Comment 20, posted at 15.06.19 15:37:33 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 20) : He’s been missed

  • Comment 21, posted at 15.06.19 15:38:14 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @byron (Comment 18) : As long as both teams get away with it, play the ref

  • Comment 22, posted at 15.06.19 15:38:37 by jdolivier Reply

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  • I have hate how the Sharks are coached. Their play no interest in speeding (Louis is so kak) the game up. No variation, intensity and fight. These guys although facing a really rubbish Stormers side… will probably to lose and finish 11th on the overall log. It is just sad…. progressing beyond this stage will send the wrong message to the power that be. We exit the competition now then the board can exercise Rob’s performance clause and fire him.

  • Comment 23, posted at 15.06.19 15:40:06 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • That was red

  • Comment 24, posted at 15.06.19 15:42:39 by jdolivier Reply

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  • Yellow for Bongi

  • Comment 25, posted at 15.06.19 15:42:41 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @jdolivier (Comment 22) : just frustrating to watch

  • Comment 26, posted at 15.06.19 15:44:41 by byron Reply

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  • @byron (Comment 26) : No argument there

  • Comment 27, posted at 15.06.19 15:48:02 by jdolivier Reply

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  • Stormers successfully wasting time at the scrums

  • Comment 28, posted at 15.06.19 15:48:46 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • My gosh these guys are so poorly coached. Rob jr is kak.

  • Comment 29, posted at 15.06.19 15:53:47 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 29) : He is Mr dumbass

  • Comment 30, posted at 15.06.19 15:54:21 by jdolivier Reply

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  • Disappointing scrum against 7 players

  • Comment 31, posted at 15.06.19 15:54:25 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 31) : The entire approach looks rushed, this sharks team should thrash the stormers on paper

  • Comment 32, posted at 15.06.19 15:59:18 by jdolivier Reply

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  • Rob jnr had a good first half. Confidence perhaps returning.

  • Comment 33, posted at 15.06.19 16:05:38 by sudhir Reply

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  • Kicking over / through the defense is not a bad idea, but too many misdirected kicks from the Sharks

  • Comment 34, posted at 15.06.19 16:05:55 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Geez ref …. That has not gone through the 90

  • Comment 35, posted at 15.06.19 16:11:58 by byron Reply

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  • When a stormers plays in front of a player off a knock its just a scrum, for us penalty. Come now aj you are better than that

  • Comment 36, posted at 15.06.19 16:21:24 by jdolivier Reply

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  • How was senatla ever on his feet?

  • Comment 37, posted at 15.06.19 16:23:12 by byron Reply

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  • @byron (Comment 37) : Too many refs allow players to lie on the tackled player – meant to support their own bodyweight

  • Comment 38, posted at 15.06.19 16:25:37 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • So kitshoff pops out and we are penalised, getting a bit silly now

  • Comment 39, posted at 15.06.19 16:29:02 by jdolivier Reply

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  • High tackle, knock off bongi, and the niggle off the ball and still their ball

  • Comment 40, posted at 15.06.19 16:31:59 by jdolivier Reply

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  • One pass rugby does not work

  • Comment 41, posted at 15.06.19 16:36:38 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Geez ref …. There was a ruck … That should have been a sharks penalty

  • Comment 42, posted at 15.06.19 16:36:49 by byron Reply

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  • @byron (Comment 42) : No stormers players are ever on their feet in the rucks

  • Comment 43, posted at 15.06.19 16:37:31 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 43) : they actually dive into of the ruck

  • Comment 44, posted at 15.06.19 16:38:26 by byron Reply

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  • Fassi off injured

  • Comment 45, posted at 15.06.19 16:42:51 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Fuck we’ve missed Bosch today

  • Comment 46, posted at 15.06.19 16:48:23 by jdolivier Reply

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  • Come ref …. Can we slow the match down anymore?

  • Comment 47, posted at 15.06.19 16:48:58 by byron Reply

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  • It’s a forward pass … Not a water break

  • Comment 48, posted at 15.06.19 16:49:24 by byron Reply

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  • Mystery scrum penalty …

  • Comment 49, posted at 15.06.19 16:50:34 by byron Reply

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  • Andre should have taken that penalty

  • Comment 50, posted at 15.06.19 16:54:35 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Geez ref .. hands in side entry…. Nothing

  • Comment 51, posted at 15.06.19 16:56:28 by byron Reply

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  • Am … You beauty

  • Comment 52, posted at 15.06.19 16:56:56 by byron Reply

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  • Am scores after excellent build up from the Sharks. Players actually drawing defenders before passing

  • Comment 53, posted at 15.06.19 16:57:39 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Ryno actually added much needed creativity to the backline

  • Comment 54, posted at 15.06.19 17:00:24 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • That felt so good!

  • Comment 55, posted at 15.06.19 17:00:43 by Keagan_Sharks Reply

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  • All hail the space invader Lukhanyo Am!

  • Comment 56, posted at 15.06.19 17:03:12 by sudhir Reply

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  • Sharks should be off to Canberra unless the Bulls and Lions manage a draw

  • Comment 57, posted at 15.06.19 17:06:41 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Well done Sharks. And also well played by Rob jnr. This was 1 of his better performances in a long time. Showed a lot passion for the jersey especially after being heavily and rightly criticised by most of us.

  • Comment 58, posted at 15.06.19 17:09:07 by sudhir Reply

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  • Van Heerden, Andrews and Majola were also very good today.

  • Comment 59, posted at 15.06.19 17:11:19 by sudhir Reply

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  • Sorry only one word for it Nick Mallet is a poes

  • Comment 60, posted at 15.06.19 17:16:47 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 60) : what did he say

  • Comment 61, posted at 15.06.19 17:26:10 by byron Reply

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  • He and the commentary team are just sour coz their mighty Stormers lost.

  • Comment 62, posted at 15.06.19 17:32:08 by sudhir Reply

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  • I just want to say: Jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!
    One moment saves a whole season…against the Stormers…in Cape Town!! Hübsch…

  • Comment 63, posted at 15.06.19 17:36:32 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 63) : @Bokhoring (Comment 57) : yip Sharks will be playing Brumbies and Bulls will play Canes as reward for dumping Lions out of playoffs! :twisted:

  • Comment 64, posted at 15.06.19 19:10:55 by JD Reply
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  • @sudhir (Comment 59) : Just Louis let us down today, but did speed up towards the end of his stint. Aj Jacobs did very well to nullify 3 scoring opportunities for us by some dubious calls. The scoreboard doesn’t reflect how much the team played better than last week. Not even close to what it should be, but an improvement nonetheless

  • Comment 65, posted at 15.06.19 19:28:51 by jdolivier Reply

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  • This has been a crazy season, we may not have ended last on the SA log but we were only two point above last

    Which injured players do we get back for next week’s game in Oz?

  • Comment 66, posted at 15.06.19 20:37:59 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • I love beating the stormers well done to the boys. How pro stormers was the commentary! Pretty poor stuff from supersport. I see Robs calling people cockroaches again.

  • Comment 67, posted at 15.06.19 22:04:48 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • I did get one thing right: at the beginning of the season, I picked Stormers to end up last in our conference! Won a case of beer off a mate for that!
    Thanks for this win, boys! I enjoyed that…

  • Comment 68, posted at 15.06.19 23:40:54 by pastorshark Reply
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  • This public feud between Greenway and Du Preez is not reflecting well on either of them.

  • Comment 69, posted at 16.06.19 07:25:32 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 69) : Agreed

    On a personal note, supporting this union reminds me of the experience of having a incredibly attractive bipolar girlfriend, you gotta take the good with the bad in equal measure.

  • Comment 70, posted at 16.06.19 13:59:56 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • It was evident from the hugs in the coaches box, the reaction from the players that any rumors of Rob having lost the locker room was utter nonsense. To be fair to the fans and the media we are pretty much left to our own assumptions about the goings on at the Sharks. It was a great win! And I enjoyed more than I have any other win in quite some time. My only hope is that we can do it another 3 times! Wouldn’t that be a Cinderella story for Super Rugby…also if Ron Jnr plays like he did yesterday bar some improvements in kicking, I’m happy with him at FH. Hope Fassi is ok otherwise excited to see Curwin back at either FH or FB. Ryno on the bench for impact! Let’s go boys! 3 more games!…do you believe in miracles!

  • Comment 71, posted at 16.06.19 15:32:17 by Keagan_Sharks Reply

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  • @Keagan_Sharks (Comment 71) : Agree with your point about the coach’s box and the elation when Am scored his try. The players also looked genuinely pleased. Jeremy Ward in particular looked like he had a craving for ‘the blood of a live Kolar beast’, pumping his fists in the air when Am scored the final try. That doesn’t mean that the team is prepared as they ought to be, either in terms of intensity or in the technical aspects of the game. It felt so good to put the Stormers away, just like you said. As for Rob Sr, he obviously takes comments in the media very personally: whether its being miffed for his son’s sake, or his own, the ‘cockroach’ comments are unhelpful. I would have thought that the union would have sent Nick Easter or someone else out to speak with the media, just to tone down the rhetoric. I believe Rob Sr is damaging the Sharks brand with his defense of himself/his son; its a side-show that he’s being enticed into by the Durban scribes. As for miracles…

  • Comment 72, posted at 16.06.19 16:15:49 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 67) : Well, there was pro-Stormers commentary during the game, and Nick Mallett in studio post-match (who is an anti-Sharks industry all his own). The Sharks management should put a stop to Rob Sr mouthing off at the ‘cockroach’ critics and media. It doesn’t give the media anywhere reasonable to go…everyone starts to double-down then.

  • Comment 73, posted at 16.06.19 16:21:11 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • @SeanJeff (Comment 72) : the game plan and technical ability is there, it’s a matter of adapting to when plan A gets nullified. That’s when the Sharks have no answer and is one of my biggest criticisms of coach Rob. I think he needs to grow as a coach but appears to be too stubborn with an ego that won’t go away. Anyway I remain hopeful and wishful for miracles.

  • Comment 74, posted at 16.06.19 16:56:07 by Keagan_Sharks Reply

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  • @Keagan_Sharks (Comment 74) : Look, they know more or less what they’re doing. The match stats: https://www.espn.com/rugby/matchstats?gameId=294415&league=242041 show that they earned more running metres, with slightly better tackle percentage and territory versus the Stormers. Some people will still insist that the Stormers were the better team on the day, but the stats don’t bear that out, or the scoreline. It seems Am is just about the only guy with a plan B in the team. The Sharks seem too one-dimensional when their tactics aren’t working and force things (perhaps because being creative doesn’t come naturally?).

  • Comment 75, posted at 16.06.19 17:15:22 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • The Supersport panel aka Mallet and Co as well as Gavin Rich commented at length of how poor the Sharks and to a lesser extent the Stormers were yesterday. The Bulls and Lions were given every praise due to the try fest at loftus. The lions failed to get the 1 point needed out of the game to qualify for the qf. So how smart was their game plan then? They were entertaining but didn’t qualify. The Stormers and sharks knew only a win would get them in the playoffs so they prioritised defensive game plan and kept it tight. Not entertaining but job done. Sharks in quarter final not lions. So to Gavin Rich Mallett and Co I say f#*&k you. Well played Sharks.

  • Comment 76, posted at 16.06.19 18:28:49 by sudhir Reply

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  • @sudhir (Comment 76) : While the Bulls/Lions had exciting attacking play, the defense was substandard on both sides, and the basic errors were terrible. There was almost not a single kickoff fielded well by either team. The only reason there were no more scrums is because after every knockon, the other team were given free reign due to the lack of defense played on the other side, so every knockon played into advantage. Really poor basic skills exhibited by both Bulls and Lions on the day.

  • Comment 77, posted at 16.06.19 19:24:25 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 69) : Agreed…

  • Comment 78, posted at 16.06.19 22:30:07 by pastorshark Reply
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  • According to Sarugbymag, Bosch on the flight to Canberra, although Beast not, unfortunately.

  • Comment 79, posted at 17.06.19 12:00:53 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • Beast, Botha, JL and Philip not on the plane either. We down some big guns.

  • Comment 80, posted at 17.06.19 14:58:48 by Keagan_Sharks Reply

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  • @Keagan_Sharks (Comment 80) : that’s a lot of experience that we lose out on however it results in a opertunity for the other lose forwards to show what they can do, I figure we will go with Dan, vermualan and Tyler Paul with stringer on the bench, we will miss JL, Botha has played better of late but we have Gideon and Van heerden to bring the grunt along side hyrons line out work

    Much as I like beast, Majola has been a revelation of late, time for tank to step up as well in the scrums and the lose, nicest guy but unfortunately can’t seem to get going

    Excited for this game, I home it’s not Friday morning

  • Comment 81, posted at 17.06.19 15:51:35 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 81) : Supersport website suggesting it’s at high noon on Saturday

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  • @SeanJeff (Comment 82) : great stuff, that’s ideal I hope we can pull the win off. Brumbies are a skillful squad

    This has been a crazy SR season

    Our game against the Stormers made both teams look mostly poor to honest, however from a financial point of view I suspect it’s good for us to make a othe quarter final/knock out stage, when last have we missed out on the knock out stages? More importantly did we actually look like winning the whole things at this stage of the season, I would say the year we lost to the Bulls in the final, that’s the last time I thought we had a legitimate chance

  • Comment 83, posted at 17.06.19 20:32:55 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • I see Ruan Pienaar has terminated his contract in France. Would be a good mentor to our yoing 9′s and not a bad option at 10

  • Comment 84, posted at 17.06.19 21:24:03 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • As good as the u20 boys were against New Zealand, as disappointing they are against France tonight…

  • Comment 85, posted at 17.06.19 22:05:47 by pastorshark Reply
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  • So disappointing tonight…we lose 20-7…

  • Comment 86, posted at 17.06.19 22:23:16 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 85) : some really dodgy refereeing never let us get into the game and the unpenalised offside and slowing our ball in mail meant they stayed in the game. The scrum refereeing was amazing to say the least. Even the British commentator was confused

  • Comment 87, posted at 17.06.19 22:34:42 by byron Reply

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  • https://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/SuperRugby/under-fire-sharks-coach-gets-backing-from-ceo-20190618

    Losing Braam in particular is a big loss our Defense was very good this year.

  • Comment 88, posted at 18.06.19 09:13:30 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 88) : So that’s AB, Braam, Ricardo. Who do we have left in the coaches box? Nick Easter? Sharks are going to have to do some serious recruiting in the off-season!

  • Comment 89, posted at 18.06.19 11:39:22 by Karl Reply

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  • @Karl (Comment 89): Forwards coach with the surname Pienaar if I’m not mistaken, the guy Rob Snr brought over with him from the leopards

    With all these departures I’m still keen on us starting over with Muir and his own selection of Assistants even though we have made the playoffs, Look at our results this season, Why did we not drop Rob Jnr? no backup, the only SR level FH’s we had were rob and bosch and Rob had no form, LS has a poor season at scrum-half, maybe we should have used him at FH

  • Comment 90, posted at 18.06.19 12:35:34 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 88) : Our defence was very good at times and at other times shocking, a bit of an enigma. Braam was an interesting addittion to the Sharks structures – I dont think he was headhunted but got the stint by being at the right place at the right time. He initially went to KZN as a full time rugby specialist at St Charles College and was then I think seconded to the Sharks as a kicking coach on a part time basis. Im not sure when he became a full time employee and defence coach but do remember some eyebrows being raised when it was first designated as a job title of his.

  • Comment 91, posted at 18.06.19 12:37:28 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 90) : Maybe you answered your own question of why Rob jnr was not dropped, when you say “no backup, the only SR level FH’s we had were rob and bosch”

  • Comment 92, posted at 18.06.19 12:42:40 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 91) : Wasn’t he brought in as kicking coach and then can’t remember who, Sean Everet,springs to mind but he was the backline coach, was made redundant and he had to fill the role.

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  • @durbsguy (Comment 93) : That does ring a bell but I cant remember exactly.

  • Comment 94, posted at 18.06.19 13:07:06 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 91) : I was very dubious when he was chosen but I must give credit he has done a great job. only the crusaders have conceded fewer points than us this year.

  • Comment 95, posted at 18.06.19 13:10:52 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • @Karl (Comment 89) : @revolverocelot (Comment 90) :
    Not sure if Easter is staying he seems to be here on a consultancy basis.

    We do have Jaco pienaar and Williams left so we will need an Defense coach(If we could get Omar Mounienme back that would work).

    I would let a new head coach pick some new assistants next year or hopefully for Currie Cup

  • Comment 96, posted at 18.06.19 13:14:50 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • @Karl (Comment 89) : That would leave Jaco Pienaar as forwards coach and Dave Williams as attack coach. I wouldnt bank on Nick Easter as he is here on a experience gaining stint and might fell its time to move on.I wouldnt mind him sticking around though.

  • Comment 97, posted at 18.06.19 13:59:45 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 97) : Add in a Defense coach,Backline coach and maybe a scrum coach and I think thats all you need.

  • Comment 98, posted at 18.06.19 14:10:04 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • I honestly don’t think Jaco Pienaar has been a major improvement over Ryan Strudwick.

  • Comment 99, posted at 18.06.19 14:28:05 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • At this point I couldn’t really be bothered whether or not we keep Rob Sr, but I’m sure if he’s going to be cut from his contract, this would be the ideal time. Sure, he’d probably have a payout, but at least the new coach could pick his own team. Rather than filling up the coaches box now with assistants, only to get rid of them all in a year or two with all of their payouts still to come

  • Comment 100, posted at 18.06.19 15:01:05 by Karl Reply

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  • @Karl (Comment 100) : According to Rapport Rob snr is going nowhere and will see out his contract in 2020.

    On what grounds can the Sharks terminate his contract, for making the playoffs last year in 8th place, then winning the Currie Cup and then making the playoffs but finishing in 6th place (a 2 log position improvement) this year.
    I cant see it happening.

  • Comment 101, posted at 18.06.19 15:48:09 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • The bigger question is whether Teichman will be leaving in September

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 101) : Then Rob best buy Am beers for life, because one try after the siren made all the difference between a 6th and an 11th place finish this year.

  • Comment 103, posted at 18.06.19 16:06:03 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 103) : yep

  • Comment 104, posted at 18.06.19 16:19:43 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 92): poor planning from the union then, as much as I like Ryno Smith his unlikely to be an effective FH at SR level IMHO and he was third in line to the best of my knowledge

    Why could we sue LS at FH instead of out of form Rob Jnr ?

    We have tons of scrummies

  • Comment 105, posted at 18.06.19 16:23:25 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 103) : @revolverocelot (Comment 104) : Damn right and well deserved too. Its like the old adage ‘Looks at the scoreboard / table”

  • Comment 106, posted at 18.06.19 16:45:38 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 105) : Some have wanted Andre Esterhuysen at FH but why would an outish of form scrummy be better than an out of form FH at FH. Rob du Preez hasnt really played badly for a while, not the form of last year but also not a liability.

  • Comment 107, posted at 18.06.19 16:52:23 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 101) : https://www.alloutrugby.com/roaches-doomed-du-preez/#comment-14902

    I think he is gone hey. I obviously haven’t seen his contract and not sure what his performance clauses might say but the Sharks will most likely rely on his repeated calling of the press cockroaches(bringing the brand into disrepute), provided their is an appropriate clause in the agreement, to get a decent settlement for his last remaining year on his contract and then he will be gone.

    Rich and Greenaway are not some novice journalist and they seem sure he is done.

    Its also possible that certain players will give statements of incompatibility in the work place etc but overall I think they will settle on a payout and be done.

  • Comment 108, posted at 19.06.19 09:17:52 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 107) : I respectfully disagree, I really like Rob Jnr and I was overjoyed when we signed him, FRom WP/Stormers, but I do feel if we had kept Bosch at FH for the whole of those two key games we would have won them, and IMHO if we start him against the Brumbies or bring him on with 20min to go I foresee us losing by 5 points

  • Comment 109, posted at 19.06.19 10:06:31 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 108) : We are consistently having to pay coaches out… but I guess it is what it is, I have no personal beef with ROB SNR, but I do feel it’s time to go.

    Remember when Bath asked coach Ford to leave and his son decided the team did his dad wrong, I, however, doubt the two dup loose forwards who are still with us will be angry at the union, in fact, they may be happy to play under a new coach who isn’t their dad so there can be no accusations of nepotism

    I know lots of people who prefer to play in a sporting team that is not coached by their dads if they can help it, Myself included, love my dad, but I respond better to a neutral coach.

  • Comment 110, posted at 19.06.19 10:12:43 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 110) : I agree with you it must be hectic for them to be scrutinized the way they are by fans and their peers because their dad is the coach. It also must put them in a seriously bad spot when there is disharmony in the change room. Change may be best for all parties.

    Rob Jnr has been the biggest casualty in this whole mess. He is a good player but he has had serious doubt sown into his mind as to his abilities

  • Comment 111, posted at 19.06.19 10:19:49 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • https://www.sarugbymag.co.za/beast-divs-methods-didnt-work-for-boks/

  • Comment 112, posted at 19.06.19 10:53:41 by Choochi Reply

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  • https://www.sarugbymag.co.za/beast-im-grateful-to-peter-de-villiers/

  • Comment 113, posted at 19.06.19 10:55:46 by Choochi Reply

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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 108) : I havent read the article yet – busy atm but my immediate first thoughts are its Gavin Rich doing his best to scuttle the Sharks on the eve of a very important game, much like his mate Greenaway did pulling the race card a few games back.

  • Comment 114, posted at 19.06.19 11:55:52 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 114) : At least we will know in a couple of weeks and whether Snr stays or goes there is going to be a pretty major overhaul at the union which is at least a change to the stagnation we have had recently.

  • Comment 115, posted at 19.06.19 12:10:43 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 108) : @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 114) : Ok, have read it now. First impression is that Rich wants a pat on the back because he was the only one to pick up on the meaning of the word “now” back in Louis Luyts days – my conclussion – journalists might be able to string words together but they are a pretty dumb bunch. The problem with this one from Rich and his play on semantics is that there is a clear quote in Rapport on Sunday that Du Preez will see out his contract in 2020 – I will get the paper and copy the wording.

    Anyway we will see which way this goes. One thing is for sure its not doing anyone any good.

  • Comment 116, posted at 19.06.19 13:07:42 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 109) : I too respectfully disagree but to presume that had Bosch remained at 10 against the Jaquars we would have won is really pushing the boundaries of credibility – What did Rob jnr do that made us lose the game and where was Bosch so great while he was on the park (Curwin was actually poor against the Jaguars)

    So if we are behind against the Brumbies with 20 to and Du Preez gets game time and we still lose then it will be his fault exclusively – :shock: and you say you like the guy ;-)

    How do you expalain the Sharks beating the Stormers at Newlands with Du Preez in the side and Curwin nowhere near the field?

  • Comment 117, posted at 19.06.19 13:23:15 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 111) : I said it last year all 4 the Du Preezs should have packed up and thrown in their lot with some other union/s.

  • Comment 118, posted at 19.06.19 13:24:35 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Choochi (Comment 112) : Beaaaaast, well at the time there were strong rumours that the senior players were doing the actual coaching.

  • Comment 119, posted at 19.06.19 13:32:55 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Choochi (Comment 113) : “‘Peter was the coach who first picked me for the Springboks, and he stood by me through all the trouble with the Minister of Sport, so I’m really grateful to him,’ he stated.”

    Certainly not walking back his thoughts of PDivvy as a coach.

  • Comment 120, posted at 19.06.19 13:35:27 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Choochi (Comment 112) : Is Beast still with the Sharks next year – maybe we can get PDivvy to come and coach us – could be fun. :twisted:

  • Comment 121, posted at 19.06.19 14:01:34 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 111) : It also seems inevitable that Dan and JL will move overseas permanently in two to three years (they are only playing for Sale in the NOV-JAN period to the best of my knowledge), I am glad that while they are in SA that they are playing for us, they are both high-quality players.

    The new SA contract system is also going to be a factor, I for one feel its good for Marx that he won’t be playing any SR next year, having made use of the sabbatical.

    All 6 SA unions involved in either SR or PRO14 are in the process of playing squad reboot and most are in the process of coaching staff reboot at the same time. only the Lions seem to be holding on to their coach staff for the most part (they are a very good bunch)

    Kings seem to be putting together a far more competitive squad for the next PRO14 season, they should continue to play at the NMMU stadium, the atmosphere is great there and seems to spur the team on

    Any word on is Paul Jordan is actually heading back to SA? (Heard a rumor) as much as I like him as a player, not sure we need him, we are stocked with quality backline options.

  • Comment 122, posted at 19.06.19 14:39:53 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 121) : Sharks should hire PDivvy as the media manager….not getting any information now, so at least add some entertainment to it. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 123, posted at 19.06.19 14:40:31 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 123) : Absolutely no one could complain about Pdivvies pressers. He and Du Preez together would take it to another level.

  • Comment 124, posted at 19.06.19 14:43:30 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Can we take a moment to talk about just how good Kerron Van Vuuran has been all season ?

    Or how good Mzamo Majola has played when he gets a chance to play?

    I’m Impressed

  • Comment 125, posted at 19.06.19 14:43:41 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 123) : lol sounds like a plan

  • Comment 126, posted at 19.06.19 14:59:49 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 125) : Find of the season! I nowrate him as better than Akker. Also Van Heerden has been excellent

  • Comment 127, posted at 19.06.19 15:02:07 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 125) : Add Ruben van Heerden to that list.

  • Comment 128, posted at 19.06.19 15:02:08 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 128) : beat you by one second!

  • Comment 129, posted at 19.06.19 15:05:20 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • Going to be interesting to see who sticks around for CC…also which of the junior Boks if any are integrated. So a CC team from who I believe will be around will look something like:
    1. Majola 2. VanVuuren 3. DuToit 4. Van Heerden 4. Andrews 6. Buthelezi 7. Paul 8. Vermuelen 9. Schreuder 10. Bosch 11. Mapimpi 12. Louw 13. Ward 14. Nkosi 15. Fassi.
    Bench: Majola, Richardson, Meyer, Van Der Mescht, Stringer, Wright, Smith, Van Wyk….

    Nkosi and Mapimpi possible inclusions in the Bok squad

  • Comment 130, posted at 19.06.19 15:18:35 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 127) : @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 128) : I agree Ruben is a beast

  • Comment 131, posted at 19.06.19 15:32:03 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 130) : I think DuToit may be with the Boks as well. Majola is awesome, but not sure he can start and bench ;-) . I believe Vermuelen is gone as well, so Stringer at 6 and Buthelezi at 8 for me. Also like Mbatha over Richardson at 16, perhaps Richardson benches for the back row. Juan Schoeman in the mix as well.

  • Comment 132, posted at 19.06.19 15:53:18 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 128) : And Fassi as well.

  • Comment 133, posted at 19.06.19 15:54:48 by Choochi Reply

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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 129) : Drat.

  • Comment 134, posted at 19.06.19 16:11:23 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 130) : @Dancing Bear (Comment 132) : Talk of Schreuder heading to the Kings.

  • Comment 135, posted at 19.06.19 16:13:32 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 135) : Not necessarily bad news, Wright needs a real opportunity once and for all.

  • Comment 136, posted at 19.06.19 16:31:07 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 135) : that is music to my ears

  • Comment 137, posted at 19.06.19 16:42:56 by The hound Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 135) : That must confirm Rob Senior’s departure then :lol:

  • Comment 138, posted at 19.06.19 16:48:28 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Sooo…
    Just to say…that performance by the Proteas today confirmed why we have a chokers tag…
    Just so disappointing…

  • Comment 139, posted at 19.06.19 21:17:54 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 139) : This is a poor proteas team and the tactics by captain and coach have been way off(no third man to williamson in about the 47th over when he had been running it down there all day was a highlight). We didn’t even play well enough to choke.

    New era to begin once they return home and lets hope the franchises have the players to step up.

  • Comment 140, posted at 20.06.19 08:39:50 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 140) : I don’t really follow franchise cricket but according to some cricket scribes this squad is pretty much the best we have.

  • Comment 141, posted at 20.06.19 09:38:25 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 132) : Id be very surprised to see DuToit with Boks as he hasn’t been good this year in the bit part he has played at the Sharks. Was meant to have Schoeman on my bench instead of Majola :) Will be interesting to see what the Sharks do with Richardson as there is talk of him being seen as a hooker for senior rugby.

  • Comment 142, posted at 20.06.19 09:49:06 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 135) : I just wish someone could point out to Schreuder that in a captain “slow and measured” is how you want him to engage the referee, not the rugby ball…

  • Comment 143, posted at 20.06.19 10:50:41 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 143) : exactly, I was so happy when you got LS, but wow, I’d rather have a short fast SH like Jantjies from WP, but I see we do have Zee mkabela

  • Comment 144, posted at 20.06.19 12:29:26 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 144) : The Sharks also have both SA u20 9s…but we also had that a few years back with Stefan Ungerer and Hanco Venter and neither are still with us.

  • Comment 145, posted at 20.06.19 14:01:49 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 136) : @The hound (Comment 137) : Still just a rumour. I think Wrght might get itchy feet if things dont start to happen soon.

  • Comment 146, posted at 20.06.19 14:31:46 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 138) : :lol:

  • Comment 147, posted at 20.06.19 14:32:04 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 140) : Too true.

  • Comment 148, posted at 20.06.19 14:32:35 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 143) : :grin:

  • Comment 149, posted at 20.06.19 14:33:35 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Somehow Pote has managed to keep 3 scrummies happy by careful rotation, while Rob definitely doesn’t seem to rate Cam at all.

  • Comment 150, posted at 20.06.19 14:54:20 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 142) : I believe the Boks will take 5 props to the RWC, so I expect that du Toit’s ability to play both sides may give him the nod for that 5th prop spot. My thoughts on Richardson is that I really like Mbatha at Hooker, so think Richardson might have to take his chances in the back row (unless there is an injury to Kerrron or Mbatha. We have so many good U20s, so I am really really looking forward to many of them making the step up…..hopefully.

  • Comment 151, posted at 20.06.19 15:09:08 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 150) : Hasn’t Cam had some injury issues this season which has also limited his game time?

  • Comment 152, posted at 20.06.19 15:10:12 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 152) : He did a miss a couple of games due to injury, but he has been selected on the bench for more games than he missed. Usually he got 10-15 minutes and I if recall in the one 2 minutes game time

  • Comment 153, posted at 20.06.19 15:19:13 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 153) : According to Fox he has been selected for 9 games for a total of 185 minutes in total, whereas LS got selected for all 16 with a total of 1016 minutes playing time.

  • Comment 154, posted at 20.06.19 15:22:16 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 154) : I may be wrong, but I’m fairly sure he missed the remaining 7 games due to injury? I agree 100% he has not been given an appropriate opportunity, but I think injury problems didn’t help him much this year, not to mention LS selection as captain.

  • Comment 155, posted at 20.06.19 15:31:09 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 155) : We assume the 7 was due to injury as getting injury updates from the Sharks is a rare thing even when requested.

    Plenty of other senior players around to captain the Sharks when LS is off – e.g. Ruan Botha, Beast, Dan, etc

  • Comment 156, posted at 20.06.19 15:41:25 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 156) : :mrgreen: dude, you’re arguing like I support LS as captain….I’m with you, wish he had never been selected as captain, I think it is part of the reason for his “slow down” game he has been playing as of late. Not trying to argue, just thinking that it is less that the coach doesn’t rate Cam, but rather a combination of injuries limiting his time, and the selection of LS as captain.

  • Comment 157, posted at 20.06.19 15:44:04 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 157) : Some coaches select squad captains – I would not mind LS being the squad captain at all.

    I think the reason he has been playing so slow, because there is no pressure on him. He knows he will get his 60 minutes plus a game.

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