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Majola, Vermeulen, Mohamba and Fassi starts against the Cheetahs


Written by Henk Terblanche (Bokhoring)

Posted in :Currie Cup on 8 Aug 2019 at 11:53

Sean Everitt has made a few changes in his squad for the crucial match against the Cheetahs at Kings Park:

Majola and Schoeman swaps places in the starting team and bench, Phepsi moves to 6, Vermeulen starts at 7 and Stringer drops out of the squad. Evan Roos (who still played for Paarl Boys last year) comes into the squad as loose forward replacement.

In the backline Nohamba and Wright swaps jerseys and so do Smith and Fassi.

1. Mzamo Majola
2. Kerron van Vuuren
3. Coenie Oosthuizen
4. Ruben van Heerden
5. Hyron Andrews
6. Phepsi Buthelezi
7. Jacques Vermeulen
8. Tera Mtembu (co-captain)
9. Sanele Nohamba
10. Curwin Bosch
11. Lwazi Mvovo
12. Jeremy Ward (co-captain)
13. JP Pietersen
14. Kobus van Wyk
15. Aphelele Fassi
Replacements
16. Craig Burden
17. Juan Schoeman
18. John-Hubert Meyer
19. Gideon Koegelenberg
20. Evan Roos
21. Cameron Wright
22. Marius Louw
23. Rhyno Smith



136 Comments

  • Mvovo owes all of us 3 tries for the 5 he butchered the previous 2 games

  • Comment 1, posted at 08.08.19 14:02:20 by jdolivier Reply
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  • Good to see Evan Roos given an opportunity. Could become a good JL replacement if he replicate the form he displayed at school level.

  • Comment 2, posted at 08.08.19 16:38:59 by sudhir Reply
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  • Pepsi should also be given a run at 8. He was phenomenal for DHS in that position. At 6 he hasn’t been able to show the skills he has. And Richardson needs to be given a run too as the number of games left is quickly drying up.

  • Comment 3, posted at 08.08.19 16:44:07 by sudhir Reply
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  • @sudhir (Comment 3) : Pepsi is better for the future of the union than Tera, this is a watered-down version of the currie cup, let the young talent get their opportunities

  • Comment 4, posted at 08.08.19 17:19:28 by jdolivier Reply
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  • @jdolivier (Comment 4) : agree about Pepsi. Mthembu once showed promise but injuries and time have not been his friend and feel we need to back Pepsi as his progression arc looks like it will rise above Mthembu and we need to give him game to to achieve this.

  • Comment 5, posted at 08.08.19 17:47:02 by Hulk Reply
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  • @jdolivier (Comment 4) : Yes we need to fix a lot of damage at the sharks. We have become dependant on certain physically strong players since it was our only plan to dominate physically. If that couldn’t happen we lost. Now we are finally building structures that can operate apart from that single factor game. We must try out younger guys and see what they bring over the long term.

  • Comment 6, posted at 10.08.19 07:56:24 by coolfusion Reply
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  • @jdolivier (Comment 1) : Personally I would have had JP on wing and Louw in at center. Mvovo bench for wing and fullback, ditto for Rhyno.

  • Comment 7, posted at 10.08.19 07:58:57 by coolfusion Reply
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  • So in comparison we are bottom of the CC log again since wp just wiped the floor with Pumas? Is it strange that I would rather NOT be a curry cup winner if it means we can present something real and consistent at SR level through learning and growth?

  • Comment 8, posted at 10.08.19 08:47:52 by coolfusion Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 7) : Agree completely

  • Comment 9, posted at 10.08.19 14:52:20 by jdolivier Reply
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  • Hopefully we can emulate Australia, what a game this morning

  • Comment 10, posted at 10.08.19 15:12:52 by jdolivier Reply
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  • Sharks start well, cheetahs line outs a disaster. If we keep up this pace for 80 minutes, we will win this

  • Comment 11, posted at 10.08.19 15:15:08 by jdolivier Reply
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  • 10-0 after 13 minutes

  • Comment 12, posted at 10.08.19 15:15:49 by jdolivier Reply
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  • Sharks looking good so far 10-0

  • Comment 13, posted at 10.08.19 15:16:25 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 13) : But no so good on defense. Cheetahs patiently make their way up from the inside their half and Dweba scores

  • Comment 14, posted at 10.08.19 15:19:17 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Cheetahs score 50m try with 11 phases, poor defense from the sharks, first time tackling very poor 10-5 after 16 minutes

  • Comment 15, posted at 10.08.19 15:20:15 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 14) : Couple of runners onto the ball breaks the defense quite easily.

  • Comment 16, posted at 10.08.19 15:20:18 by coolfusion Reply

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  • 10-5

  • Comment 17, posted at 10.08.19 15:20:25 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Kobus van wyk is having a shocker

  • Comment 18, posted at 10.08.19 15:25:29 by jdolivier Reply

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  • Maul defense has improved

  • Comment 19, posted at 10.08.19 15:27:11 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Maul defense has been great, stopped 4 cheetahs mauls on the 5m line.

  • Comment 20, posted at 10.08.19 15:27:32 by jdolivier Reply

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  • Lots of indecision by sharks players.

  • Comment 21, posted at 10.08.19 15:35:25 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Ben10 scores – Cheetahs show wonderful patience

  • Comment 22, posted at 10.08.19 15:37:54 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Cheetahs score off forward pass after 13 phases on our line, Bernhard janse van rensburg. Sharks have lost all intensity of the first 15 minutes

  • Comment 23, posted at 10.08.19 15:38:43 by jdolivier Reply

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  • 12-10 Cheetahs lead

  • Comment 24, posted at 10.08.19 15:39:03 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • 12-10 cheetahs lead after 34 minutes

  • Comment 25, posted at 10.08.19 15:39:12 by jdolivier Reply

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  • Not sure what Bosch trying to achieve with these kicks – we loose territory each time

  • Comment 26, posted at 10.08.19 15:40:50 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Missed knock on from cheetahs

  • Comment 27, posted at 10.08.19 15:43:53 by jdolivier Reply

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  • Fassi scores 75m try after good turn over on our 22. Lucky but we’ll take it. 19-12 halftime

  • Comment 28, posted at 10.08.19 15:47:33 by jdolivier Reply

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  • Fassi is effing fast – runs from his own line and scores.

  • Comment 29, posted at 10.08.19 15:47:52 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @jdolivier (Comment 28) : *Edit 17-12

  • Comment 30, posted at 10.08.19 15:48:40 by jdolivier Reply

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  • 17-12

  • Comment 31, posted at 10.08.19 15:48:54 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 29) : Can say that again he is blitz. I miss Nkosi.

  • Comment 32, posted at 10.08.19 15:49:31 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 29) : Rediculously quick, net piel en pote like a friend of us would say

  • Comment 33, posted at 10.08.19 15:49:50 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 32) : And Mapimpz.

  • Comment 34, posted at 10.08.19 15:49:59 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Hopefully the Sharks can put in a better second half performance than against the Pumas

  • Comment 35, posted at 10.08.19 15:52:49 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 35) : Ja it’s like we just forgot why we were there second half last week. Or maybe not enough respect for Pumas. I must say we have been stepping off the pedal last 10 minutes if this half as well. Hopefully that last try kindled a fire.

  • Comment 36, posted at 10.08.19 15:55:40 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Not sure how that was not a knock and play allowed to carry on

  • Comment 37, posted at 10.08.19 16:01:59 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Sharks need to up the tempo. Shut them down very quickly frustrate them.

  • Comment 38, posted at 10.08.19 16:02:12 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Bosch looks like he stretched something.

  • Comment 39, posted at 10.08.19 16:03:33 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Ward should have passed and it would have been a simple try

  • Comment 40, posted at 10.08.19 16:08:33 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • You cannot go bAck 30+ phases for foul play …

  • Comment 41, posted at 10.08.19 16:11:11 by byron Reply

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  • So rugby is now a sport for girls, burden gets yellow for a shoulder to shoulder clean out

  • Comment 42, posted at 10.08.19 16:11:57 by jdolivier Reply

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  • That clean was a waste of time anyway – removing the guy would have made no difference at the ruck

  • Comment 43, posted at 10.08.19 16:12:05 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @byron (Comment 41) : You can go back to the first half as well then…

  • Comment 44, posted at 10.08.19 16:12:17 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @byron (Comment 41) : If you’re rasta and the sharks are ahead you can do anything

  • Comment 45, posted at 10.08.19 16:12:29 by jdolivier Reply

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  • Wow rasta really has it in for us, that was a legal steal by our scrummy

  • Comment 46, posted at 10.08.19 16:13:34 by jdolivier Reply

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  • 17-15 sharks 51 minutes 7 minutes left on yellow

  • Comment 47, posted at 10.08.19 16:14:43 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 43) : I just commented that to my wife. I don’t know why stupid forwards still keep trying to do this very high risk and almost no reward ever. Just did and the intention is Always to hurt the other player more than getting the ball. It should be scrapped penalized unequivocally no binding arm clause so they stop even trying.

  • Comment 48, posted at 10.08.19 16:15:00 by coolfusion Reply

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  • No arms gets no card if you’re sharks opposition.

  • Comment 49, posted at 10.08.19 16:16:56 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Even the commentators would like to know why the cheetahs didn’t get a yellow for their clean now

  • Comment 50, posted at 10.08.19 16:17:13 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 48) : If the guy is upright and coming in to spoil the ball it makes sense. It is impossible to legally remove a player bound over the ball like that

  • Comment 51, posted at 10.08.19 16:17:35 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Bosch is hurt, needs to leave the field

  • Comment 52, posted at 10.08.19 16:18:04 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 51) : It’s too grey area and they get it wrong more times than not. Just scrap it as an option.

  • Comment 53, posted at 10.08.19 16:19:44 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Am I right in saying that Burden has 3 caps off the bench with 3 yellow cards???? Had to b some sort of record ????

  • Comment 54, posted at 10.08.19 16:20:13 by Julesgr8ter Reply
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  • And Bosch makes ammends for the missed penalty

  • Comment 55, posted at 10.08.19 16:21:25 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 52) : And then he scores a drop goal

  • Comment 56, posted at 10.08.19 16:21:33 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @Julesgr8ter (Comment 54) : It’s like he and schalk Brits brought the dirtiest aspects of their game back to SA. Hope Kerri. Doesn’t learn from him. Better to keep cleaner habits. The game has changed.

  • Comment 57, posted at 10.08.19 16:22:45 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Well rasta really wants the cheetahs to score

  • Comment 58, posted at 10.08.19 16:28:08 by jdolivier Reply

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  • Nahamba had a great game, nice too see young talent coming through

  • Comment 59, posted at 10.08.19 16:29:48 by jdolivier Reply

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  • Rasta gets one call right, obstruction

  • Comment 60, posted at 10.08.19 16:30:42 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 59) : A lot of heart from that small guy. And he seems very astute and alert to his environment and opportunity. He must get lots more airtime.

  • Comment 61, posted at 10.08.19 16:31:29 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 61) : Agreed, just absolutely love seeing guys like him and Pepsi do well

  • Comment 62, posted at 10.08.19 16:32:32 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 60) : Lucky he did cause our defense stopped playing and betting on him getting it. Poor from sharks to do that.

  • Comment 63, posted at 10.08.19 16:32:37 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Rhyno Smith, 2 touches, 2 shockers. Now score a try to apologize

  • Comment 64, posted at 10.08.19 16:33:26 by jdolivier Reply

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  • Two charge Downs in less than 30 seconds. Maybe these guys should read the field a bit.

  • Comment 65, posted at 10.08.19 16:33:38 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 63) : The potential is there to be great, the willingness is lacking it seems

  • Comment 66, posted at 10.08.19 16:34:17 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 64) : He is already playing for cheetahs it seems.

  • Comment 67, posted at 10.08.19 16:36:58 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 67) : Definitely

  • Comment 68, posted at 10.08.19 16:39:01 by jdolivier Reply

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  • Shocking decision, off fassi to blommetjies forward to the wing, accidental offside then, not a try

  • Comment 69, posted at 10.08.19 16:39:55 by jdolivier Reply

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  • We haven’t been in their red zone with clear dominance since first half. Unless that changes I think they will edge us.

  • Comment 70, posted at 10.08.19 16:40:37 by coolfusion Reply

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  • I’ve seen about 10 knockings just like that not called against freestate

  • Comment 71, posted at 10.08.19 16:41:09 by byron Reply

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  • Should have kept JP on and moved him to wing. We need bigger defense. The cheetahs going to push now and they spend way too much time on our tryline.

  • Comment 72, posted at 10.08.19 16:42:50 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @byron (Comment 71) : And high tackles and clean outs with no arms in the rucks, it’s rasta after all

  • Comment 73, posted at 10.08.19 16:43:04 by jdolivier Reply

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  • Counterruck called good but in from the side

  • Comment 74, posted at 10.08.19 16:44:02 by byron Reply

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  • Cheetahs tighthead has collapsed last 5 scrums

  • Comment 75, posted at 10.08.19 16:44:49 by byron Reply

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  • Rhyno is not having a good day. I hope he picks up.

  • Comment 76, posted at 10.08.19 16:45:01 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Make that 6

  • Comment 77, posted at 10.08.19 16:45:31 by byron Reply

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  • Let’s hope sharks can stay in cheetahs 22 now. And come away with points.

  • Comment 78, posted at 10.08.19 16:47:32 by coolfusion Reply

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  • At last 1 well worked move that looked like it was planned.

  • Comment 79, posted at 10.08.19 16:49:49 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Ok Rhyno makes up with a good build up to try and difficult kick.

  • Comment 80, posted at 10.08.19 16:51:06 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Man, but Rasta is an awful, moody referee.

  • Comment 81, posted at 10.08.19 16:51:42 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • @byron (Comment 75) : And he knows it. I saw him laughing cause he’s getting away with it.

  • Comment 82, posted at 10.08.19 16:53:22 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 82) : The. The ref says to Cameron try to get it in quicker, really? Penalize the Cheetahs don’t tell us to make it easier for them. What’s your deal?

  • Comment 83, posted at 10.08.19 16:54:52 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 82) : it should have been 6 straight penalties…. He was going down on the hit. Good win by the sharks. Rasta should not be allowed to ref a schoolboy match

  • Comment 84, posted at 10.08.19 16:55:31 by byron Reply

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  • Rasta gets to call wrong … No surprise but here’s what the law says: once the ball is touched down the tmo can only go back 2 rucks

  • Comment 85, posted at 10.08.19 17:06:45 by byron Reply

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  • Good performance from the guys. Our attacking play is better as are our hands so I will take it. We still dont look like a championship side but with all the changes that have happened we not doing badly. Pespsi needs to work hard to become a 6 who can fetch. The reality for him is he doesnt have the size to be a 7. He could be a linking 8 but will beed to see him in the loose a bit more before we can judge that.

    Kerron is a machine at 2 but Burden has been awful.

    We need Van Heerden to play 5 and Koeglenberg at 4.

    If we can get Paul back at 7 with Vermuelen at 6 at the knock out stages we will have a chance.

  • Comment 86, posted at 12.08.19 09:36:08 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • So The Hound called it… A lot of us, myself included wanted both Robs gone. A lot of us also thought it a good idea to bring Burden back. He’s done nothing but spend time off the field with injuries and yellow cards. So it seems there is plenty of wisdom in Mr Clegane’s old head!

  • Comment 87, posted at 12.08.19 10:01:06 by Karl Reply

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  • @Karl (Comment 87) : I still think Rob Snr had to go. He didn’t bring huge success on the field and there was plenty drama off it.

    The loss of the twins was a blow though but they were going to go anyway.

  • Comment 88, posted at 12.08.19 11:33:23 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 88) : I think as things stand, Everitt has proven he’s not Head coach material for any side above the age-groups.

  • Comment 89, posted at 12.08.19 11:35:39 by Karl Reply

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  • @Karl (Comment 87) : There was only 1 Rob that needed to go to change the dynamic in the team. Fully agree on Burden- how do you get sent off 2 games in a row for the same thing. Surely as his employer the Sharks should fine him

  • Comment 90, posted at 12.08.19 12:20:31 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Really not sure how the Cheetahs managed to lose that game, Sharks were awful. We can be as positive as we want but if we are honest they were awful. Yes the win is good as it means we have probably avoided playing for relegation, but a loss would have been more beneficial in terms of realising that what is in place is not working. Handling, tackling and decision making below high school level im afraid…watch any of the big school derbies then watch the sharks and you will see what I mean.

  • Comment 91, posted at 12.08.19 12:22:27 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 91) : Its pretty much the same as it was for these same players when they played Super Rugby. I would not mind if we don’t make the semi-finals and the coaching staff use that extra time to improve the skill levels

    The one area that we did see improvement though was the maul defense

  • Comment 92, posted at 12.08.19 13:37:08 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 92) : Unlikely they would use that time, players would just get an extended break. But what I would like to see in that timeframe is both recruitment and also the adoption of a new strategy as the current model is not working in regards to our skills and decision making etc.

  • Comment 93, posted at 12.08.19 14:06:06 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 93) : That’s what the Durban culture is about, isn’t it? When there’s no rugby to be played, go spend some time down at North Beach. Plus the weather is warming up… Bonus!

  • Comment 94, posted at 12.08.19 14:13:27 by Karl Reply

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  • @Karl (Comment 94) : Yeh I guess so, although if you cant catch a ball not sure how you will catch a wave

  • Comment 95, posted at 12.08.19 14:35:55 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 95) : Trick is to wait for the wave to catch you

  • Comment 96, posted at 12.08.19 15:02:37 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 95) : My 10 year old can catch a wave so the Sharks should be able to. That being said, she can catch a ball too…

  • Comment 97, posted at 12.08.19 15:19:25 by Karl Reply

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  • @Karl (Comment 87) : Both those boys and their dad gave us a false sense if security that a physical superiority game is all you need. Them leaving is a crutch removed. Now we need to be honest and address the gaping holes in a complete package team. I think they are good but they enforced their dad illusion of a winning team too well. If they and dad were so great why were we so up and down all the time? Are we only remembering winning games and forgetting the other 50% which were losing games?

  • Comment 98, posted at 13.08.19 10:59:28 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 98) : I wish the twins could have stayed and dad leave so we could rebuild our weakness but keep 2 good forwards. As for Rob jnr I think he did best for his career when he was away from Daddy.

  • Comment 99, posted at 13.08.19 11:02:17 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 91) : Actually sharks should have won by a greater margin. I saw a call that disallowed a try for an infringement about 15 movements earlier. So Cheetahs were really not that great.

  • Comment 100, posted at 13.08.19 11:40:29 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 100) : The Cheetahs bossed the game I watched. They just cant close it out- lacking quality at 10 and 12 I believe. Sharks were very average, kicked away a lot and dropped a lot as well. I can see the guys are trying but the error rates and the missed tackles are just too high. Also seeing things like Burdens actions just isn’t the team I grew up supporting

  • Comment 101, posted at 13.08.19 12:19:01 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 98) : Could be because between the two of them, they can’t carry the entire team for an entire season

  • Comment 102, posted at 13.08.19 12:35:40 by Karl Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 100) : Sharks defense was poor. In the lead up to Dwebe’s try, they went through not many phases, but moved all of 50 or 60m downfield.

  • Comment 103, posted at 13.08.19 12:37:12 by Karl Reply

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  • @Karl (Comment 103) : I’m not saying sharks were great. But Cheetahs weren’t great either. Dominance in a game where your opposition manage to trip themselves all the time and yet not being able to make a difference in points us not dominance it’s just being slightly less bad and then barely pulling equal makes you almost as bad then losing….well that just leaves you nowhere…if the one disallowed try was awarded it would have meant you while bossing a game manage to lose by 2 tries….I can’t find the logic. Maybe we are being harder on the sharks ineptitude than the cheetahs’ you don’t just lose a game, just squander opportunity you fail in execution and eventually time catches up with you, then you lose the game…..

  • Comment 104, posted at 13.08.19 13:01:07 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Karl (Comment 102) : Wow that’s a bold statement dude. So Bosh Nkosi Fassi Botha Kerron Beast (to mention a few) did nothing to carry this team? Just the dup’s?

  • Comment 105, posted at 13.08.19 13:02:54 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Rapport has Notshe coming to the Sharks as well as Hercu and James Venter.

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 105) : Hehe, agreed… Maybe too bold a statement?

  • Comment 107, posted at 13.08.19 15:25:01 by Karl Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 105) : Let’s not forget the loss of Ruan Botha

  • Comment 108, posted at 13.08.19 16:01:25 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 106) : I like the sound of that, especially Notshe

    We are going to miss the size and ability of the dup twins in SR though.

  • Comment 109, posted at 13.08.19 21:01:31 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 109) : Notshe, Buthelezi, Richardson could make for an interesting loose trio but would need to play locks with some grunt. Id still like to see Andrews at 7.

  • Comment 110, posted at 14.08.19 09:49:40 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 110) : Yah as much as I see great value in slightly smaller openside type flanks like Kwagga, Roelof Smit, Jaco Kriel, Daniel Maartens, etc you do need a balanced loose trio to succeed or if you don’t have balance you need to adjust your game plan accordingly.

    Thus since we are losing Dan, JLDP, Jacques Vermeulen (hasn’t really stepped up in CC2019), Ginger from SR2019

    We need to recruit or promote to cover our lose of grunt (Dan and JLDP)

    I think tyler paul could bring the ball carrying we need at blindside, Evan Roos seems to have potential and I’m reluctant to make sweeping negative statements about players when they are very young.

    We will have a better sense of what we have in terms of loose forward just before SR2020 starts I guess

    Notshe, Buthelezi, Richardson seems to lack a true blindsiders so pair them with two big locks in Van heerden and Koegelenberg could be the way to go.

    Notshe at blindside, Buthelezi at 8 for me

    or Notshe at openside, Buthelezi 8 and tyler paul at blindside

    I see Richardson continues to start at hooker for the u21′s.

    I’m a big fan of Terra as a person, but his best playing days are past him

    @Karl (Comment 87) : I would still have wanted Rob Snr gone, would have kept Rob Jr and insisted that he stop playing rugby for at least a week (he had been playing none stop for more than a year)

    Would have loved to have kept Dan and JLDP along with Rob Jr, but this is SA, so eventually, you are going to lose players to a euro league

    Sucks, cause the twins still have things to work on as players but they are way more effective now than they were when they got to the first team (though they were good back then as well)

    @coolfusion (Comment 98) : Correct.
    @coolfusion (Comment 99) : Ditto.

  • Comment 111, posted at 14.08.19 12:51:08 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 111) : Yeh seems the Sharks are keen to transform Richardson to a hooker for senior rugby. With him and Kerron Van Vuuren id be happy with that as our match days hookers.
    Id be interested to see if Notshe really comes. I think more and more these days we see very much hybrid loose forwards coming through the ranks that can play in all 3 positions. And it also seems the trend in the modern game to transform a lighter mobile lock into a blindside flank.

  • Comment 112, posted at 14.08.19 13:26:30 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 108) : Yup. We did a lot of load shedding. Let’s hope to see some new sparks. I really like nohamba. Maybe he will no(t)hamba soon..just got that one in before someone else does….

  • Comment 113, posted at 14.08.19 13:36:46 by coolfusion Reply

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  • I would have liked to see Gqoboka and Trevor Nyakane being onboarded, but the poor bulls already had their hearts broken losing their bid for PSDT.

  • Comment 114, posted at 14.08.19 13:41:34 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 106) : Hercu Liebenberg? Also wasn’t that Venter kid part of our setup at one point?

  • Comment 115, posted at 14.08.19 13:45:45 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 112) : I see that trend continues with JD Schickerling at 7 this weekend..

  • Comment 116, posted at 14.08.19 15:11:29 by Karl Reply

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  • @Karl (Comment 116) : Yes WP seem to have fully embraced that idea. The Lions started with it when they played Mostert there a few times. England and New Zealand also have guys that can switch between 4/7 (Using our numbering)

  • Comment 117, posted at 14.08.19 15:50:08 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 117) : That only works if you have a really mobile lock / flank though. For a big guy PSDT really gets around the field.

  • Comment 118, posted at 14.08.19 16:09:53 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 117) : I’ve seen it with Itoje and Lawes, but who in NZ switches? Can’t think of anyone for the life of me

  • Comment 119, posted at 14.08.19 16:12:40 by Karl Reply

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  • @Karl (Comment 119) : Fifita, Hemopo, Barrett come to mind

  • Comment 120, posted at 14.08.19 16:21:43 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 120) : Aha, thanks!

  • Comment 121, posted at 14.08.19 18:22:15 by Karl Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 112) : Don’t forget Mbatha at Hooker, the reason I would rather see Richardson at Flank as I think that Kerron and Fez cover Hooker very well.

  • Comment 122, posted at 15.08.19 02:01:06 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 122) : I agree…

  • Comment 123, posted at 15.08.19 08:00:57 by pastorshark Reply
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  • For 2020 SR I’d like to see 6. I’d like to recruit one open side flank with legitimate fetching abilities 7. Paul 8. Pepsi And 5. van Heerden 4. Koegelenberg. I think between Paul and the locks we have enough grunt and if we get a genuine openside and pepsi we have some mobility. Think this gives the forwards nice balance to play tight and expansive.

  • Comment 124, posted at 15.08.19 08:01:13 by Hulk Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 124) : Suggestions on a flank with fetching ability we might look at?

  • Comment 125, posted at 15.08.19 10:14:34 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 122) : Richardson was an 8 at school and quite destructive. But seems for some reason the moment he arrived at the Sharks he was earmarked for hooker

  • Comment 126, posted at 15.08.19 10:15:23 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 126) : Well, such conversions have been successful in the past. Think Beast, Burden and Louw. Others like Dayimani, Esterhuizen and Pierre Spies, not so much. So I guess it’s just a roll of the dice

  • Comment 127, posted at 15.08.19 15:04:28 by Karl Reply

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  • @Karl (Comment 127) : I think for a conversion to be successful you have to ask whether the player will adapt to the hard graft required of the position and not just the fun fancy stuff.

  • Comment 128, posted at 15.08.19 15:58:53 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 126) : The only reason I think he should move back to loosie is that I don’t see the Sharks hanging onto Kerron, Fez and Richardson at Hooker. Perhaps with a move back to loosie, we have a place for all three. I think with Richardson’s strength and speed, he could be made into a really good opensider, my opinion anyway.

  • Comment 129, posted at 15.08.19 17:22:56 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Karl (Comment 127) : LOL, Burden went from wing/centre to hooker. Now that’s a conversion. Beastie was an 8 that moved to prop and look where that got him. BUT I think in the case of Richardson, he may be best utilized in the back row, especially now that we have lost the twins.

  • Comment 130, posted at 15.08.19 17:25:16 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 129) : We really do need 3 hookers in the overall squad, and Richardson is still u21 for another year I think so could be sold on that for a year at least.

  • Comment 131, posted at 16.08.19 09:46:57 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 115) : My bad I tink it must be Hanco Venter from the Free State but then I may be wrong again because he plays 8 and I m not sure we are looking for more of those. I think James Venter was with us as a junior. We also used to have a Hanco Venter – I think.

  • Comment 132, posted at 16.08.19 09:56:33 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 131) : Agreed you need 3 hookers for your squad, but keeping 3 top hookers happy (not leaving) is the challenge. Do you think it is a good idea to just do this experiment for a year and then shift back as you seem to imply?

  • Comment 133, posted at 16.08.19 14:20:35 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 133) : No what I mean is that I think for another year Richardson is still u21 so chances are we could persuade him to stay based on that. A lot happens in a year and who knows who will still be a round after that. Richardson was picked as a loose forward for SA U20 so he needs to quickly decide where his future lies, chopping and changing will lead to no future I believe. I do think he has good attributes to be a good hooker

  • Comment 134, posted at 16.08.19 14:58:55 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 134) : Isn’t Mbatha also U20 for another year?

  • Comment 135, posted at 16.08.19 16:12:48 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 125) : unfortunately I don’t have an answer for that right now. I think Marcell isn’t going to the World Cup so perhaps he wants to come back to SA to force his way back into the Boks ;-) .

  • Comment 136, posted at 18.08.19 09:09:07 by Hulk Reply

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