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Andre and Thomas start against the Bulls


Written by Henk Terblanche (Bokhoring)

Posted in :Currie Cup on 22 Aug 2019 at 11:09

Andre Esterhuizen and Thomas du Toit have been called up to start against a desperate Bulls team who may face relegation if they loose by more than 7 points. Curwin Bosch is still unavailable so Boeta Chamberlain gets another chance after a very impressive Currie Cup debut.

New Shark Andisa Ntsila have been selected as loose forward replacement.

  1. Thomas du Toit
  2. Kerron van Vuuren
  3. Coenie Oosthuizen
  4. Ruben van Heerden
  5. Hyron Andrews
  6. Phepsi Buthelezi
  7. Jacques Vermeulen
  8. Tera Mtembu (c)
  9. Sanele Nohamba
  10. Boeta Chamberlain
  11. Lwazi Mvovo
  12. Andre Esterhuizen
  13. Jeremy Ward (c)
  14. Kobus van Wyk
  15. Aphelele Fassi
  1. Dylan Richardson
  2. Mzamo Majola
  3. John-Hubert Meyer
  4. Gideon Koegelenberg
  5. Andisa Ntsila
  6. Cameron Wright
  7. Rhyno Smith
  8. JP Pietersen


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  • 15 Divan Rossouw, 14 Cornal Hendricks, 13 Johnny Kotze, 12 Dylan Sage, 11 Rosko Specman, 10 Manie Libbok, 9 Ivan van Zyl (captain), 8 Tim Agaba, 7 Wian Vosloo, 6 Marco van Staden, 5 Ruan Nortje, 4 Andries Ferreira, 3 Wiehahn Herbst, 2 Johan Grobbelaar, 1 Lizo Gqoboka

    Substitutes: 16 Corne Els, 17 Dayan van der Westhuizen, 18 Conraad van Vuuren, 19 Jean Droste, 20 Ruan Steenkamp, 21 Embrose Papier, 22 Vaughen Isaacs, 23 Stedman Gans

  • Comment 1, posted at 22.08.19 15:02:05 by revolverocelot Reply
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  • That looks to be a pretty good Bulls side…how have they lost so much this season?!

  • Comment 2, posted at 23.08.19 06:43:58 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 2) : It is a good side on paper, but like the Sharks in super rugby they just making a lot of mistakes which opposition have taken advantage of

  • Comment 3, posted at 23.08.19 08:06:45 by SheldonK Reply

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  • CELL C SHARKS UNDER 21’s

    1. James Scott
    2. Cullen van der Merwe
    3. Hanru Jacobs
    4. JJ van der Mescht
    5. Emile van Heerden
    6. Adam Mountford (c)
    7. Jeandre Labuschagne
    8. Evan Roos
    9. Jaden Hendrikse
    10. Rynhardt Jonker
    11. Caleb Dingaan
    12. Murray Koster
    13. Donald Falconer
    14. Asanda Kunene
    15. Thaakir Abrahams

    Replacements
    16. Mark Venter
    17. Sean Barnes
    18. Cleopas Kuniana
    19. Dylan Weideman
    20. Jacques Ackerman
    21. Xavier Swartbooi
    22. Le Roux Malan
    23. Onke Jiba

    Some quality players there, hopeful to see some progress through and gave the super side some fresh impetus next year

  • Comment 4, posted at 23.08.19 11:23:51 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I’m gonna stick my neck out and say it’s good to see JP dropped to the bench, maybe we’ll see some better defense and less penalties?

  • Comment 5, posted at 24.08.19 12:37:46 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • Penalty try there ref!!!

  • Comment 6, posted at 24.08.19 19:38:24 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 5) : our defence hasn’t been great so far…

  • Comment 7, posted at 24.08.19 19:51:35 by pastorshark Reply
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  • And as I say that, the Bulls score their second. Both tries just a bit soft with pretty ordinary defence!

  • Comment 8, posted at 24.08.19 19:52:18 by pastorshark Reply
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  • 14-6 after 20 minutes…not a great first quarter. Wake up boys…or you’ll be dumped out!

  • Comment 9, posted at 24.08.19 19:53:28 by pastorshark Reply
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  • A determined du Toit scores! That was better…

  • Comment 10, posted at 24.08.19 19:59:17 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Turned down an easy 3 points there…and scored the 7…good move…

  • Comment 11, posted at 24.08.19 20:00:14 by pastorshark Reply
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  • 14-13 Bulls after 27 minutes…

  • Comment 12, posted at 24.08.19 20:00:43 by pastorshark Reply
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  • 72 missed tackles on Speckman!! Come on, man!!

  • Comment 13, posted at 24.08.19 20:01:46 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Try saving tackle by Ward there…finally!

  • Comment 14, posted at 24.08.19 20:03:23 by pastorshark Reply
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  • But Bulls score…our backline defence is just looking poorly organised! Just rubbish, man…

  • Comment 15, posted at 24.08.19 20:04:08 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Sharks defense is abysmal tonight. Everytime the Bulls have the ball they make inroads. Shocking

  • Comment 16, posted at 24.08.19 20:04:39 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • Sharks hit right back! Vermeulen in. Great work by Fassi…

  • Comment 17, posted at 24.08.19 20:06:28 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 16) : agreed…just looks weak and disorganized…

  • Comment 18, posted at 24.08.19 20:06:57 by pastorshark Reply
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  • 21-20 after 34 minutes…

  • Comment 19, posted at 24.08.19 20:07:50 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Must be yellow… Make that red

  • Comment 20, posted at 24.08.19 20:10:20 by byron Reply

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  • Contact with head no arms

  • Comment 21, posted at 24.08.19 20:10:52 by byron Reply

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  • Red card surely…

  • Comment 22, posted at 24.08.19 20:11:16 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Shocker…

  • Comment 23, posted at 24.08.19 20:12:03 by pastorshark Reply
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  • There’s the red card…no choice there…

  • Comment 24, posted at 24.08.19 20:12:52 by pastorshark Reply
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  • And Gavin Cowley bloody laughed when it happened! What a doos…

  • Comment 25, posted at 24.08.19 20:13:41 by pastorshark Reply
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  • One really good thing about the Sharks…only one penalty conceded…great discipline…

  • Comment 26, posted at 24.08.19 20:14:50 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 24) : and a ban me thinks

  • Comment 27, posted at 24.08.19 20:15:58 by byron Reply

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  • Nice try by Sharks after the halftime hooter … Good play by rookie flyhalf

  • Comment 28, posted at 24.08.19 20:18:25 by byron Reply

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  • Sharks steal the lineout after the hooter and great play by Chamberlain puts Esterhuizen in…

  • Comment 29, posted at 24.08.19 20:18:47 by pastorshark Reply
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  • 27-21 to sharks at halftime

  • Comment 30, posted at 24.08.19 20:19:13 by byron Reply

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  • One more try and we are through…

  • Comment 31, posted at 24.08.19 20:19:21 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 31) : Can even loose the game by 50 points

  • Comment 32, posted at 24.08.19 20:20:33 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Really impressed by Chamberlain

  • Comment 33, posted at 24.08.19 20:21:44 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • And theres the BP…

  • Comment 34, posted at 24.08.19 20:36:51 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • That was a beauty

  • Comment 35, posted at 24.08.19 20:38:22 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Turning into a game of touch rugby now

  • Comment 36, posted at 24.08.19 20:42:08 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • Sharks may want to practice sorting out their defense for next week

  • Comment 37, posted at 24.08.19 20:42:38 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Richardson on for van Vuuren

  • Comment 38, posted at 24.08.19 20:46:04 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Chamberlain’s kicking game is really good – finds grass almost all the time

  • Comment 39, posted at 24.08.19 20:49:00 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Thomas dutoit is faster than JP wtf

  • Comment 40, posted at 24.08.19 20:53:09 by byron Reply

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  • Ref looking to “even” the game

  • Comment 41, posted at 24.08.19 20:54:16 by byron Reply

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  • It’s just a knock-on ref? Wtf

  • Comment 42, posted at 24.08.19 20:54:48 by byron Reply

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  • @byron (Comment 40) : JP looks very unfit

  • Comment 43, posted at 24.08.19 20:55:49 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 43) : I think I’m fitter than JP atm

  • Comment 44, posted at 24.08.19 20:56:24 by byron Reply

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  • Sharks have forgotten that they havent won the game yet, and they have a man extra…

  • Comment 45, posted at 24.08.19 21:04:01 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • Chamberlain you beauty

  • Comment 46, posted at 24.08.19 21:11:40 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Jeepers, but Chamberlain is good…

  • Comment 47, posted at 24.08.19 21:12:09 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 47) : Smart player

  • Comment 48, posted at 24.08.19 21:14:48 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Ai, but our defence was super kak today!

  • Comment 49, posted at 24.08.19 21:18:46 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Fassi MOTM…could just as easily have been van Wyk. It was his best game in a while…

  • Comment 50, posted at 24.08.19 21:25:26 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 50) : Absolutely. Kobus best game in a very long time. Hope he continues to play like this.

  • Comment 51, posted at 24.08.19 22:34:27 by sudhir Reply

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  • @sudhir (Comment 51) : Kobus, nahamba, Pepsi and fassi were amazing. Jp was a waste of space. He didn’t even attempt to do anything

  • Comment 52, posted at 24.08.19 23:06:28 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @sudhir (Comment 51) : And chamberlain, young man has a bright future

  • Comment 53, posted at 24.08.19 23:07:05 by jdolivier Reply

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  • Chamberlain and Nohamba were very promising, Fassi too obviously. I think the back line as a whole looks ok for next year, particularly as the youngsters will be a year older. Some tough decisions to make at scrum half – as Hendrikse is there as well – Wright, Schreuder, Nohamba and him – you can’t keep them all happy. The pack needs some reinforcements – Vermeulen won’t be there next year will he – and they need go forward. The defence needs work but the attacking slice to harder to coach into players so all looks like it’s hesding the right way. But if they’re going the route of investing in the youngsters, we’ll have to be patient – won’t happen overnight,

  • Comment 54, posted at 25.08.19 11:11:21 by JR Reply

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  • I see we have signed Notshe, and Werner Kok from Weepee, hope it was a buy 1 get 1 free…

  • Comment 55, posted at 25.08.19 11:22:57 by morne1 Reply

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  • @morne1 (Comment 55) : if that’s true, and the Venter rumour too – with Ntsila – sounds like we’ve restocked the back row. I haven’t seen enough of some of them to know if those address the ball carrier concern. Kok’s a great ball player and the signings make it look like we’re going to play a faster game but not really sure where that leaves the existing centres (particularly Ward who’s shaping up well)

  • Comment 56, posted at 25.08.19 11:47:39 by JR Reply

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  • @JR (Comment 56) : Man, I rate Kok, but I imagine he’ll be away on 7s duty at some point. I think in a pinch he’d be awesome as a flank!

  • Comment 57, posted at 25.08.19 12:32:43 by Karl Reply

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  • It really is great to see the youngsters step up and to see them get credit from many here. Nohamba is amazing. However all that being said, compliments for Chamberlain seem to be an afterthought. The young man was thrust into the starting position with zero senior rugby experience and has done superbly, he has an old head, doesn’t seem to get flustered, kicks so well out of hand, and his slick hands were the direct cause of two tries last evening. I almost feel safer with him at 10 than Bosch (ducking from the incoming attacks).

  • Comment 58, posted at 25.08.19 14:21:57 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Karl (Comment 57) : Nobody seems to enjoy rugby more than Kok, and he is just a straight up good person and nice guy, and a strong leader. I would take him and find a place for him on the field. By far my favorite 7s player.

  • Comment 59, posted at 25.08.19 14:24:41 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 58) : On the Chamberlain issue. I never managed to see him play yet, but any idea where he’s positioned on defense? I noticed against the Cheetahs that Bosch defends in the traditional 9 spot (inside the tram lines) at line outs

  • Comment 60, posted at 25.08.19 15:26:37 by Karl Reply

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  • @morne1 (Comment 55) : Add Ox Nche to that list… Yesss!

  • Comment 61, posted at 25.08.19 18:13:11 by Karl Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 58) : Best kicking out of hand from any Sharks flyhalf in a long time – seems to find grass almost every time.

  • Comment 62, posted at 25.08.19 18:55:23 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 58) : Certainly not an afterthought from me…I am very impressed. We had supper with some friends last night and Chamberlain and Nohamba were the most talked about players…everyone is very impressed…

  • Comment 63, posted at 26.08.19 07:13:10 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @morne1 (Comment 55) : I saw it was Ox Nche and Kok ?

  • Comment 64, posted at 26.08.19 07:13:26 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Karl (Comment 61) : So Notshe and Nche? Only Nche mentioned in the articles I’ve read.

  • Comment 65, posted at 26.08.19 07:14:26 by coolfusion Reply

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  • I try to teach my children not to indulge in schadenfreude. Province and the Bulls not making the semis is sorely testing my principles through… :twisted:

  • Comment 66, posted at 26.08.19 08:40:27 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 65) : I’m not sure. Haven’t read any confirmation about Notshe, but Morné reckons it’s confirmed. I have read about Ox

  • Comment 67, posted at 26.08.19 09:53:37 by Karl Reply

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  • Going to be an interesting selection decision when Bosch is fit as the team has looked good with Chamberlain at 10, he isn’t afraid to take the ball to the line and take a tackle. Sharks seem to be working on their counter attack and scoring off opposition kicking the ball away. We do need to improve our defence and our props collapsing at scrum time way too often for my liking.

  • Comment 68, posted at 26.08.19 10:04:52 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I don’t see us progressing further than this but I will still consider this currie cup season to have been a success. We have exposed the following youngsters Buthelezi,Nohamaba Chamberlain as well as Richardson and Roos who have had a taste and Johnnie has played decent minutes.

    I think Cam Wright was given a shot and didn’t really take it so he will most likely move on. We still short a couple guys but we have at least bought in Ntshila.

    We have played a nice brand of rugby and we seem to be heading in the right direction Ox will be a good buy although I would have tried to see if Beast couldn’t give us a season more. We need a top lock to go with Ruben. Hyron is an excellent line out forward but we so light from 5-8 it scares me.

  • Comment 69, posted at 26.08.19 10:11:25 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 69) : Hyron Andrews has been a disappointment for me. There was a stage where every lineout he would go up and compete and really disrupt opposition. But towards end of Super Rugby and this CC he has hardly competed on opposition ball which therefore means he becomes very ineffective as he isn’t a good ball carrier and doesn’t make big offense hits on defence. Id rather see Van Heerdan and Koelenberg partner up with Van Der Mescht on the bench.

  • Comment 70, posted at 26.08.19 10:26:49 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Karl (Comment 67) : Me too only see Ox and Werner

  • Comment 71, posted at 26.08.19 13:33:12 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 71) : I do see that he van dyk and kriel are leaving stormers but no news where to.

  • Comment 72, posted at 26.08.19 14:01:35 by coolfusion Reply

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  • TH is a concern for Super Rugby. Thomas will be first choice but the back up is a concern as Meyer has not been good in the CC and Coenie will be in England. Hanro Jacobs is similar to Coenie style of play but is still very young. That leaves only Mchunu as a viable alternative. Maybe need to loan someone from Griquas or Plumas.

  • Comment 73, posted at 26.08.19 14:13:52 by sudhir Reply

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  • Also need to give Muller Du Plessis a run at Fullback or wing especially with Ryno leaving.

  • Comment 74, posted at 26.08.19 14:16:51 by sudhir Reply

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  • Ox is a good addition, I have been hoping for the last 2 years that we can get him from the cheetahs. Does anyone know which position Thomas will play next year? I know he played TH this year behind Coenie, but he was selected at LH for the boks and played there again for us over the weekend. He needs to pick a position and stick to it!

  • Comment 75, posted at 26.08.19 14:18:40 by HeinF Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 71) : There was speculation about a week ago regarding Notshe, but I’m not sure what’s come of that

  • Comment 76, posted at 26.08.19 15:04:48 by Karl Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 70) : he competed very well in the last game…

  • Comment 77, posted at 26.08.19 15:24:01 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 77) : and against the Lions as well? At the moment, he reminds me of Albert vd Bergh

  • Comment 78, posted at 26.08.19 21:03:24 by JR Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 75) :
    You do understand that it was the coached who moved Thomas from loosehead to tighthead…………if he said no they would probably not have chosen to play.
    Having said that it has been detrimental to his career, much like what happened to Coenie.

  • Comment 79, posted at 27.08.19 07:23:55 by Loosehead Reply

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  • @Loosehead (Comment 79) : Yes, I know. Although I am not sure if it was our coach or the coaches at the Boks, or a combined effort! Which why I hope he can stick to a position next year, he deserves better than to be moved around like this

  • Comment 80, posted at 27.08.19 09:25:23 by HeinF Reply

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  • I know there is a CC semi final but looking ahead to Super rugby next year id actually be interested to see what Everitt could do with this lineup as he does seem to promote a ball in hand approach with players given freedom to make decisions.
    1. DuToit 2. Van Vuuren 3. Oosthuizen 4. Van Heerden 5. Koegelenberg 6. Ntsila 7. Andrews 8. Buthelezi 9. Schreuder 10. Bosch 11. Mapimpi 12. Esterhuizen 13. Am 14. Nkosi 15. Fassi
    Bench: Beast, Richardson, Meyer,Van Der Mescht, Vermuelen , Nohamba, Chamberlain, Ward

  • Comment 81, posted at 27.08.19 13:15:57 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 81) : Isn’t Coenie leaving as after CC? If you are looking to spread the ball, I might rather consider playing Ward at 12.

  • Comment 82, posted at 27.08.19 13:23:11 by HeinF Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 81) : I’m pretty sure both Coenie and Jacques Vermeulen are leaving at the end of the Currie Cup. There is/was also some uncertainty regarding Schreuder, but whether he stays or goes is immaterial; I’d rather we take our chances with Nohamba if we want to play a fast-paced game.

  • Comment 83, posted at 27.08.19 13:34:33 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @HeinF (Comment 82) : @Culling Song (Comment 83) : Oh yes of course Coenie is going, the other have left already so I forgot. so DuToit possibly to tighthead with the possibility of Nche being signed pointing to that. Would be tough to leave Esterhuizen out, that’s if he stays. Although Ward and Am would be interesting.

  • Comment 84, posted at 27.08.19 13:52:17 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 84) : I still stand by my contention that an Am/Ward combo would work best as Am = 12, Ward = 13.

  • Comment 85, posted at 27.08.19 14:13:45 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 85) : They could comfortably interchange as well

  • Comment 86, posted at 27.08.19 14:16:28 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 81) : back row looks unbalanced? Tyler Paul when fit at 7, Andrews off the bench as old school impact sub. Like Andrews a lot as a player but think Tyler Paul is hugely under-rated.

  • Comment 87, posted at 27.08.19 14:29:41 by JR Reply

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  • I’d also love to see them run with the kids at scrum half. Won’t be perfect every game but massively worth investing in. Chamberlain on the very little i’ve seen, ditto although Bosch has earned the right to be first choice

  • Comment 88, posted at 27.08.19 14:34:19 by JR Reply

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  • @JR (Comment 87) : I forgot about Tyler Paul, he is solid but is a bit slow around the park. I did think He played his best rugby at 4. I just prefer my tight 5 to offer more grunt hence the shift of Andrews to 7. I think the loose forward combination selection could be interesting going forward as nobody really established themselves in a jersey

  • Comment 89, posted at 27.08.19 14:46:47 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 89) : You don’t think Andrews is too slight of frame for 7? Can’t see him doing the hard yards through solid defences a la PSDT, Willem Alberts, etc.

  • Comment 90, posted at 27.08.19 15:09:41 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 90) : But those are the things he would be needed to do at lock anyway? Surely we cant play a lock just to jump in the odd lineout? Reason for me at 7 is he is quite mobile, makes a good few tackles, and then as an added bonus can really disrupt a lineout-especially if he is jumping at the back. Whether he is at 5 or 7 he isn’t going to carry the ball much. I guess its a personal preference to have a hard grafting tight 5 with more of a mobile ball playing loose trio.

  • Comment 91, posted at 27.08.19 15:31:27 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I see Bosch is fit again and back into the starting 15 @ 10

  • Comment 92, posted at 29.08.19 11:39:14 by Choochi Reply

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  • @Choochi (Comment 92) : Boeta covered well, but I suppose it’s Bosch’s spot. Hope he and Nohamba can find the gaps. We’ll find out soon enough.

  • Comment 93, posted at 29.08.19 11:45:03 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • @SeanJeff (Comment 93) : Yes, I am looking forward to this combo. Just hope the defense holds out. Last game was not good in that dpt. But this is a do or die semi, so fingers crossed

  • Comment 94, posted at 29.08.19 12:10:20 by Choochi Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 66) : :lol: :mrgreen: And did I hear correctly that the Bulls did not manage to win a single home game this CC competition. :shock: :mrgreen: :razz:

  • Comment 95, posted at 29.08.19 17:53:07 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 95) : But they DID manage to secure their places in the semi final at Ellis Park. On the halfway line, apparently. 3 or 4 rows back. Decent seats those!

  • Comment 96, posted at 30.08.19 11:03:18 by Karl Reply

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  • :lol: :grin: :grin:

  • Comment 97, posted at 30.08.19 14:49:22 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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