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Sharks announce new player signings


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 11 Sep 2019 at 08:59

The Sharks are keeping a bit of interest going during the off season by announcing their nine new player signings one day at a time.

First to be confirmed was 23-year-old James Venter, a loose forward who played for the Lions in the recent Currie Cup Final. Venter grew up in Durban and attended Glenwood High before opting to further his career in Johannesburg.

Another player to join from the Gauteng union is winger Madosh Tambwe. The 22-year-old was born in Kinshasa in the DRC and attended Parktown Boys High in Johannesburg. This signing is not a particularly new one – he was originally slated to join the Sharks ahead of Currie Cup, but obviously that process hit some sort of snag, leading to him delaying his arrival until November.

Third to be confirmed is current WP number eight Sikhumbuzo Notshe. The 26-year-old boasts 6 Springbok caps and will help to re-stock the suddenly rather bare loose-forward cupboard, following the departures of the Du Preez twins, Philip van der Walt and Jacques Vermeulen.

Maties flyhalf Jordan Chait is the fourth player to be confirmed. He’s the son of former WP flyhalf Anton Chait.

Two more confirmations came over the weekend. Cheetahs flanker Henco Venter and WP tighthead prop Michael Kumbirai will both join the SHarks ahead of the 2020 season.

Monday morning’s surprise comes in the form of Maties lock Jordan Sesink Clee, a former Michaelhouse schoolboy who played age-group rugby for the Sharks before heading to the Cape to study.

The eighth player to be confirmed is Cheetahs loosehead Ox Nche.

The ninth and final player to be confirmed is former Blitzbok and Western Province star Werner Kok.



97 Comments

  • Didn’t get to see much of Venter. Of those in the know, what are your thoughts?

  • Comment 1, posted at 11.09.19 09:35:38 by Hulk Reply
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  • @Hulk (Comment 1) : Basic reference is that James Venter is a young version of Marnus Schoeman. He plays to the ball, likes to carry but also does get pinged for a few penalties at ruck time.

  • Comment 2, posted at 11.09.19 12:22:14 by SheldonK Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 2) : I like everything I hear except the penalties bit. Hopefully it’s an area he can work on.

  • Comment 3, posted at 11.09.19 12:24:58 by Hulk Reply
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  • With us not using Zas at all do we really need another wing? Are we losing someone? I know Zas is headed back to wp but he seemed to be surplus anyway.

  • Comment 4, posted at 11.09.19 12:26:38 by Hulk Reply
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  • @Hulk (Comment 4) : I’m pretty sure Tambwe will just be used as backup for Mapimpi and Nkosi for now. Got a feeling Mvovo may move on soon, and with Tambwe only being 22, he’s got a season or two to develop a bit.

  • Comment 5, posted at 11.09.19 13:13:45 by Karl Reply
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  • @Karl (Comment 5) : @Hulk (Comment 4) : We also have van wyk and even JP so not sure why we needed him. I think Ox is a good buy and we seem to realize we short at loose forward but I don’t know enough about the players to know if there is a decent blindside among them. Still need another lock

  • Comment 6, posted at 11.09.19 13:15:38 by Byron Wright Reply
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  • Has Cell C renewd their Sharks sponsorship, the unpacking of the boxes by the new signings for 2020 would indicate that they have.

  • Comment 7, posted at 11.09.19 14:19:41 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 7) : those jerseys looked like the 2019 editions.

  • Comment 8, posted at 11.09.19 14:31:17 by Hulk Reply

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  • Kok, Notshe, Venter, Nche
    What’s the chances that the other 3 are Currie Cup guys – JPP, Ntsila and possibly Radebe?

  • Comment 9, posted at 11.09.19 23:15:25 by JR Reply

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  • @JR (Comment 9) : I can’t see Radebe having a shot at SR as he didn’t play any CC rugby this year. He was named in the squad, but never used, I believe there are 2 Venters coming, Henko and James, then Tambwe, which accounts for 6. As far as CC players are concerned, I would expect Nohamba and Boeta Chamberlain to be added to the SR squad. And since Nohmba can also cover 10, we have good cover at 10 I think with Bosch, Chamberlain, and Nohamba in a pinch.

  • Comment 10, posted at 12.09.19 14:17:59 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 10) : Nohamba did well in CC but the other u21 scrumhalf Jaden Hendrikse is also very good if not better than Nohamba. he can also cover 10 and kicks for poles.

  • Comment 11, posted at 12.09.19 15:36:16 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 11) : Everything I have heard when coaches and others talk about Nohamba is that he has one of the best rugby brains they have ever seen. The limited times I have seen him would seem to back that up. He took the starting role from Cam Wright, and deserved it.

  • Comment 12, posted at 12.09.19 16:23:01 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • So I heard that the Sharks CEO Eduard Coetzee earned his PhD in Leadership Studies, impressive, earning a PhD in any field requires a great deal of dedication and effort. Congratulations, and hopefully he will be the right CEO for the Sharks.

  • Comment 13, posted at 12.09.19 16:33:11 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 11) : I think Nohamba is very good, better than Hendrickse. Both can kick at goal and cover fly half but Nohamba is the better kicker and has started at fly half occasionally in the junior leagues. Jaden Hendrickse is a bigger more traditional scrum half. Both are very good but Nohamba has X factor and has proven himself at Super Rugby and CC. Scrum half stock looks good.

  • Comment 14, posted at 12.09.19 16:37:13 by sudhir Reply

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  • Any news on who the other 3 signings are going to be? Hope 1 of them is Dweba.

  • Comment 15, posted at 12.09.19 16:42:52 by sudhir Reply

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  • I’ve been praying for dweba to come to us. He is something special.

  • Comment 16, posted at 12.09.19 18:33:08 by osbal Reply

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  • @sudhir (Comment 15) : @osbal (Comment 16) : Dweba is unlikey to move soon. He is loving the Cheetahs vibe. I hope Ox can play with the same freedom in Durbs as he did in the Cheetahs jersey. Personally I think, it was a premature move. But good luck to him and Henco.

  • Comment 17, posted at 13.09.19 07:49:26 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 17) : I feel Ox should have been pushing for Bok inclusion and perhaps his omission has provoked his move

  • Comment 18, posted at 13.09.19 13:09:22 by Hulk Reply

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  • On another note, who saw the Chait announcement. I don’t know him at all but looks like we’ve got 3 young flyhalves next year.

  • Comment 19, posted at 13.09.19 13:10:40 by Hulk Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 19) : Yeah, that seemed a redundancy with Bosch, Boeta and even Inny to call on.

  • Comment 20, posted at 13.09.19 14:31:59 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • @SeanJeff (Comment 20) : I see Louis Schreuder has signed for Toulon as WC cover.

  • Comment 21, posted at 13.09.19 15:14:53 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 18) : I agree he is bok potential, but maybe a year to go. No doubt Kitshoff, Beast and Nyakane are ahead of him on merit. That said a move to the Sharks won’t guarantee him more of a chance. He could have been part of a settled Cheetahs team in the Pro14, now he is in another environment, where a team is in a rebuild. I hope I am wrong, but I think this move could set him back a year or two.

  • Comment 22, posted at 13.09.19 17:52:36 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 22) : must agree although I’m glad Ox is at the Sharks it might be a bad career move for him if Beast decides to stick around at the Sharks. Let’s hope the challenge bring out the best in him and helps him to get into the Bok team!

  • Comment 23, posted at 14.09.19 02:10:55 by JD Reply
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  • Welcome to the Sharks Henco Venter. Sharks website has him wearing the 7 jersey. Guess Notshe will be at 8 and Pepsi/Tyler at 6 with Ntsila/James Venter and Stringer playing of the bench. Very mobile loose trio.

  • Comment 24, posted at 14.09.19 10:02:54 by sudhir Reply

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  • Ox is a very good addition to the squad. His ability to cover both sides of the scrum will be valuable as Thomas will be the starting TH but the back up is not up to standard. Hanro Jacobs and Mchunu are still very young and needs time to develop but Meyer has been disappointing.

  • Comment 25, posted at 14.09.19 10:19:05 by sudhir Reply

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  • Ryno Smith’s versatility is going to be missed. Chamberlain and Chait will back up Bosch at 10 but who is the back up at 15? Muller Du Plessis who can also cover centre and wing or maybe Mvovo. Don’t think we need to sign any 1 as we have enough talent to fill the gap.

  • Comment 26, posted at 14.09.19 10:39:00 by sudhir Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 22) : I base my theory on Cheetah players seemingly overlooked by Rassie. I just feel guys from the Cheetahs and Kings don’t get a real consideration until they join one of the bigger unions. Perhaps some kind of subconscious dismissive national psyche.

  • Comment 27, posted at 15.09.19 07:46:41 by Hulk Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 27) : I can understand that point of view, but don’t think it is the case. Rassie is astute enough to not leave any player worthy of recognition out of the selection frame. He has also spoken highly of the “the test match” nature of Pro14

    The simple truth is, that prior to this season, no Cheetahs and Kings players have been worthy of selection. Ox has been there and there abouts, and Dweba has come along in leaps in the CC.
    Apart from them no Cheetahs player has really been a bok option as yet. They were rebuilding last year, after losing a raft of stalwarts. But even now they will battle against the top Pro14 sides. The top 4 sides have at least 8 or 9 internationals in their teams. That is the realitu.

  • Comment 28, posted at 15.09.19 11:18:24 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • So far: Kok, Notshe, Venter, Venter, Nche, Tambwe, Kumbirai, Chait

  • Comment 29, posted at 15.09.19 12:00:00 by Baylion Reply

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  • So out goes- Coenie in comes Kumbirai
    -Beast(?) in comes Nche
    – Twins, phillip, Vermuelen in come Kok, Notshe,Venter,Venter
    – Rob Jnr- Chait
    -Ruan Botha in comes?
    – Akker in comes?

    looks like we doing a good job of bringing in numbers but you wonder a bit about our quality. We have most likely also shed a few mill from the wage bill.

  • Comment 30, posted at 16.09.19 10:30:36 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 30) : It is very difficult for unions to make like-for-like replacements of top end players and still come in under budget. They either recruit retirees or journeymen or they go for youngsters to develop.

    BTW, Kok plays wing

  • Comment 31, posted at 16.09.19 10:37:17 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 30) : Jordan Sessink Clee in for Botha. I think we’ll use Dylan Richardson and Fez Mbatha as backup to Kerron van Vuuren.

  • Comment 32, posted at 16.09.19 10:46:18 by war1 Reply
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  • Sharks signed former Maties lock Jordan Sesink-Clee

    No clue who he is

    Edit: I see he played some SSRC games for WP and played CW for KZN in 2015

    H: 201cm
    W: 108cm

  • Comment 33, posted at 16.09.19 10:46:53 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 31) : Talk is that Kok will be converted to openside flank. AFAIK he played centre. But he’ll still be with the Blitzbokke for a little while.

  • Comment 34, posted at 16.09.19 10:47:51 by war1 Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 31) : True I get that but we could use a old head in the pack. We seem to want kok as a flank.

    @war1 (Comment 32) : Forgot about Mbatha that makes the three we need. ok so there is the lock hope he is good.

  • Comment 35, posted at 16.09.19 10:53:31 by Byron Wright Reply

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  • @war1 (Comment 34) : He’s currently playing for Toulouse on loan. I think he retired from 7s

  • Comment 36, posted at 16.09.19 10:54:38 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Byron Wright (Comment 30) : I think we’ll see Tyler Paul shift to lock with Botha leaving.
    van Heerden and Paul at lock gives the pack a lot more grunt than van Heerden and Andrews. Not sure what loosies to play next year, but I’d like one more big man with 2 faster lossies.

  • Comment 37, posted at 16.09.19 10:58:32 by Hulk Reply

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  • Would like to know what the length of the contracts are coz aside from Ox and Henco, the others probably signed to add depth to the squad for SR. Sharks have a number of talented youngsters who need another season or two at least to develop before being thrown in the deep end. Sensible decision. The twins were held back by Rdp until they were ready and look at how brilliant they have become.

  • Comment 38, posted at 16.09.19 11:45:55 by sudhir Reply

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  • Did I miss something or has there been an official announcement on Ox Nche and Werner Kok as all ive seen is rumours? Some of the signings are a bit odd to add depth, bearing in mind the new contracting model and how many players a Union is allowed to sign. We must be letting go quite a few guys in the wider group.

  • Comment 39, posted at 17.09.19 09:14:48 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 36) : nope he’s just in France as a medical joker so is only a short term contract whilst the World cup is played. As far as I know he want’s to “retire” from 7′s after the Olympic games in 2020.

  • Comment 40, posted at 17.09.19 10:27:48 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 39) : From 2 September:
    “Sean Everitt, who will be confirmed as Super Rugby coach this week, said he is delighted to have the services of Venter and Nche.”

  • Comment 41, posted at 17.09.19 10:40:18 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 41) : Ah ok, just havnt seen anything about Nche being unveiled

  • Comment 42, posted at 17.09.19 11:04:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 42) : Just been confirmed

  • Comment 43, posted at 17.09.19 11:34:55 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 43) : If Beast doesn’t retire and decides to stick around things could get interesting. I have a feeling he has informed the Sharks of his decision already but will only make it public after the RWC

  • Comment 44, posted at 17.09.19 11:50:20 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Selections in 2020 will definitely be interesting…I really do think we need to back the speed wherever possible, even if youngsters.
    So 1. Nche 2. Van Vuuren 3. Du Toit 4. Paul 5. Van Heerden 6. Buthelezi 7. Notshe 8. H Venter 9. Nohamba 10. Bosch 11. Mapimpi 12. Esterhuizen 13. Am 14. Nkosi 15. Fassi
    Bench to include guys like: Richardson, Van Der Mescht, J Venter, Schreuder/Wright, Chamberlain, Ward/Tambwe/Van Wyk

  • Comment 45, posted at 17.09.19 12:08:55 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 44) : I just hope Ox can play with the same freedom, that he enjoyed at the Cheetahs. He revelled in the quick momentum game at the Cheetahs. That is what made him such a hit!

  • Comment 46, posted at 17.09.19 12:31:06 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 46) : don’t think it would be a problem as seemingly the Sharks are trying to play more attacking and open game so should be right what he’s use to.

  • Comment 47, posted at 17.09.19 12:56:03 by JD Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 46) : He wasn’t always in the starting side at the Cheetahs and often played off the bench as Franco tried to up the tempo in the 2nd half.
    To my knowledge the looseheads – Beast, Schoeman, Nche, Majola
    Tightheads – DuToit, Meyer, Kumbirai

  • Comment 48, posted at 17.09.19 14:05:42 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 48) : I agree he didn’t always start according to Franco’s tactics, but the times he didn’t start was more rotation. He was undoubtedly the preferred choice. Especially when Charles Marais was injured.
    @JD (Comment 47) : I hope so, Bud. Hope the move works fir both parties. He is a special player. At least we kept Dweba….. for now :lol:

  • Comment 49, posted at 17.09.19 15:08:19 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 49) : Any news players at the Cheetahs? Do you guys still get to use Griquas players like you used to in Super rugby?

  • Comment 50, posted at 17.09.19 16:05:27 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 45) : Good selections but I am not too excited about Notshe at 7.

  • Comment 51, posted at 17.09.19 16:16:48 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 50) : Griquas long term loan players are Sias Koen, which will help offset the loss of Henco Venter, George Whitehead, a very clever game manager, Kwezi Mona, a promising prop, plays much like Ox, and Anthony Volmink. New signings sofar are:
    Chris Massyn -Flank from WP
    Wilmar Arnoldi – Hooker from Griquas
    Chris Smit – Center/Flyhalf from Griquas
    Duncan Saal – Wing from Maties/WP
    Malcolm Jaer – FB from WP
    Craig Barry – Wing/FB from WP
    Rhyno Smith – FB from Sharks

  • Comment 52, posted at 17.09.19 17:17:45 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 50) : Overall Franco (Staying till end October, as Hawies is ill), has good talent to work with, still don’t see us knocking over a full strength side like Glasgow or Ulster though!
    LH: Kwezi Mona, Charles Marais
    Hkr: Dweba, Arnoldi, Marnus vd Merwe and Reinach Venter
    TH: Aranos (after WC for Namibia), Luan de Bruin, Gunther JvR, Boan Venter (de Waal Venter’s son)
    Lock: Walt Steenkamp, JP du Preez, Justin Basson
    Flanks: Mohoje, Massyn, Koen, Gerhard Olivier, Pokomela, Aidon Davis
    8th man: Jasper Wiese
    SH: Pienaar, Tiaan Meyer, Diaan Badenhorst, Ruben de Haas(USA WC)
    FH: Tiaan Schoeman, Louis Fouche, Whitehead
    Centre: Dries Swanepoel, Ben10, William-Small Smith, Chris Smit, Ali Mgimi, Carel-Jan Coetzee
    Wings: Maxwane, Barry, Jaer, Saal, Adonis, Francois Aggenbag
    FB: Blommetjies, Tapiwe Mafura

  • Comment 53, posted at 17.09.19 17:27:04 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 51) : Loose trio these days aren’t limited by the number on their back. Notshe will definitely add value to us. Just hope all these acquired “stars” can play as a team. Here’s to 2020 and hopefully a home playoff game

  • Comment 54, posted at 17.09.19 18:52:13 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 51) : @jdolivier (Comment 54) : In the reveal video, he was given the 8 jersey. Perhaps that is where they plan to use him.

  • Comment 55, posted at 17.09.19 23:03:42 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 55) : I would go with Notshe at 8, that’s where he has excelled when I’ve watched him live or on TV.

    Maybe Henco venter can be our much needed gain line attacking blindside flank bruiser, not to say that the idea should be to run into the defender infront of you but more now that we have lost JLDP we don’t have a Willem Albert type player to suck in multiple tacklers at once, I still always prefer player attack the space like NZ and Oz players seems to do very well.

    Possible Tyler Paul and Henco are our best blindside options. Alternatively we move Van heerden there and player Gidion and JJ at lock, Hyron as impact lock off the bench or Tyler Paul in for JJ to start at 4.

    Lots of options.

    Let’s get the skills and game plans up.

    Gotta play with a purpose and an aim like the best teams and national squads in the world do. That includeds the Boks now under rassie, some clever attacking moves we have seem lately from them.

  • Comment 56, posted at 17.09.19 23:18:32 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 56) : Spot on, we have to remember that our only 2 8s in SR 2019 were Dan and Ginger, both gone now. Pepsi and Notshe appear to be the replacements, perhaps in more ways than one, with Notshe at 8 and Pepsi at 6 (how we used GInger). It seems we have secured quite a bit of depth now at 7, especially with Tyler and, as you say, if we use Van Heerden there (just not sure he is the ball carrier we need at 7, he is great in the rucks and mauls, and defensively.

  • Comment 57, posted at 17.09.19 23:52:29 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 53) : On the note of Franco, have you guys appointed a new coach yet?

  • Comment 58, posted at 18.09.19 08:22:33 by HeinF Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 58) : Hawies Fourie has been appointed. He has been having health issues, so will only take over at the end of October now.

  • Comment 59, posted at 18.09.19 09:26:36 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 59) : Okay, I am sure he will be spending some time with Franco and the team before then, which will hopefully make the transition smoother. Where do you see you guys finishing on the log this year?

  • Comment 60, posted at 18.09.19 09:42:04 by HeinF Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 60) : I sure hope so. They have spent time together during the CC, so it should be a smooth transition.
    I hope we can make the play-offs, but I cannot see us beating a full strength Glasgow/Munster/Ulster or Scarlets team. Very good continuity, but they will be up against an almost test side in the play-offs.

  • Comment 61, posted at 18.09.19 09:58:25 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • I see we have confirmed Werner Kok signing, bit of a nothing signing as he will only play CC next year…and have my doubts about him sticking around after that.

  • Comment 62, posted at 18.09.19 10:08:38 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 62) : SA Rugby mag have him as signing for SuperRugby, not CC. Also, I noticed there was no jersey reveal, so we still only have rumours as to his switch to the forwards

  • Comment 63, posted at 18.09.19 10:50:46 by Karl Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 61) : Yes, they are facing a couple of strong teams. I’m really looking forward to the Pro 14 starting, if the Cheetahs build on the type of rugby they played during the CC, we should see some good rugby!

  • Comment 64, posted at 18.09.19 12:13:48 by HeinF Reply

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  • @Karl (Comment 63) : In the article I read he will only join the Sharks after the 2020 Olympics next year, so basically misses all of super rugby so will only play CC next year…whether he then sticks around for Super Rugby 2021, well yeh I wouldn’t hold my breath

  • Comment 65, posted at 18.09.19 12:49:52 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Venter is a yster very good bay from the Vrystaat very good player

  • Comment 66, posted at 18.09.19 13:47:07 by Andries De Swardt Reply

     
  • @Karl (Comment 63) : @SheldonK (Comment 65) : In the reveal video he states he will be joining them after the olympics which doesn’t end until August 9. So yes only CC next year, but I don’t think his contract would only be for one year, and as I understand he is retiring from 7s after the Olympics, so I’m sure he is signed for longer than just the CC.

  • Comment 67, posted at 18.09.19 14:39:50 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 67) : Will be interesting to see what he does, wonder if he thinks he has a chance of playing in the Lions series…

  • Comment 68, posted at 18.09.19 14:56:21 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 68) : As much as I like Kok as a player and a positive influence on any team he is part of, I just don’t see a place for him in international 15s. Do you think he could be an effective 6 in the way Kwagga is?

  • Comment 69, posted at 18.09.19 17:41:24 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 69) : but is Kwagga an effective 6 at international level?

  • Comment 70, posted at 18.09.19 17:59:32 by Hulk Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 70) : Rassie and quite a few others seem to think so. Personally I have not been a huge fan, but I think one has to respect Rassie’s view.

  • Comment 71, posted at 18.09.19 22:43:25 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 71) : Then I have to respect his view where he thinks Brits is a better hooker than Akker…all coaches have their reasons for selections and they carry the consequences, but luckily we don’t have to agree and can tell the TV “I told you so” when proven right…and say nothing when proven wrong :mrgreen:

  • Comment 72, posted at 19.09.19 07:37:04 by HeinF Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 71) : I feel Kwagga can certainly compete at international level but I feel he is only competing and never dominating. I don’t subscribe to the you have to be X size to play a particular position, but Kwagga and Koks size, I feel, has them at a major disadvantage at international level.

  • Comment 73, posted at 19.09.19 10:21:20 by Hulk Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 69) : Must be honest I see Kok as more of an 8, as think that’s where his skillset would be best. And could link the forwards and backs. In terms of Kwagga- im still not convinced he is an effective forward in 15s…misses too many tackles and isn’t an effective close quarters ball carrier. The facets of play where people point out he has shone are more the attributes of a 12 than a 6 in my opinion.

  • Comment 74, posted at 19.09.19 11:16:10 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 74) : Hmmmmm! Interesting views. Kok has immense upper body strength and is a very effective tackler. I just don’t see him having the physical presence as a ball carrying forward. No matter which game plan you employ, a smallish 8 is always going to battle against the modern behemoths at 8
    Any player giving up a 15kg advantage at close quarters is going to come second more oft than not imo. Surely his skills will be better suited to center. He is difficult to bring down when he has a bit of momentum and keeps the ball available. He also contests well. If the Sharks are serious about Kok as a forward, they are missing an opportunity, and messing with a players’ career.

  • Comment 75, posted at 19.09.19 11:37:38 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 75) : My issue is that the Kok of now is not the Kok of old when he won 7s player of the year. He slips a lot of tackles lately and his passing is woeful, so fine if playing at wing and even 8 to an extent, but at 12 that will prove costly. Going to be interesting to see what develops. Of more interest will be to see how Everitt sets up his super rugby side, with lots of new players and youngsters coming through…

  • Comment 76, posted at 19.09.19 12:53:46 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 72) : :mrgreen: Yeah, I know. But, Akker has nobody but himself to blame for not being selected, he was utter crap this past season, and he showed his petty petulant side when he went after Brits and was red carded along with Brits. He did absolutely nothing after that to warrant inclusion in the Bok side.

  • Comment 77, posted at 19.09.19 14:40:36 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Hulk (Comment 73) : @SheldonK (Comment 74) : @KingCheetah (Comment 75) : I said I wasn’t a fan of Kwagga in 15s. :mrgreen: I think KingCheetah’s argument would indicate that Kok would be effective at 6 with the upper body strength. Could effect a lot of turnovers no?

  • Comment 78, posted at 19.09.19 14:42:46 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @HeinF (Comment 72) : Hooker’s first job is to throw accurately in the lineouts using the appropriate throw for each situation. I would rate Brits even higher than Marx and Mbonambi in that respect.

  • Comment 79, posted at 20.09.19 08:41:37 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 78) : He possibly could, but then again its one thing being cleaned out at a ruck by a 7s player, very different prospect staying over the ball whilst being cleaned out by a Etzebeth, PSDT , Vermuelen for example

  • Comment 80, posted at 20.09.19 10:20:24 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 80) : I have to admit to taking a contrary position to elucidate this discussion. I truly don’t believe that he could be a prospect as a forward at anything other than Currie Cup level. I still think that there is nobody better to have on your team as someone who lifts his teammates and helps set a great environment. He is a top notch okie and gives more of himself to the team and game than most.

  • Comment 81, posted at 20.09.19 14:51:35 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 81) : Must say I agree with your assessment. Only question is where do we play him? Wouldn’t mind seeing him at 12/13 next to Ward for the CC.

  • Comment 82, posted at 20.09.19 15:02:06 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 82) : I know this is a little weird, but I always thought he could be a great scrum half, but the skill set seems to be something that most 9s have to work on most of their rugby playing life, very specialized.

  • Comment 83, posted at 20.09.19 15:28:22 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 83) : Yeh there is a lot more to playing 9 than just picking the ball up from a ruck and passing it. Lots of little skills and positioning learnt over time in that position. Speaking of 9s will be interesting to see what Cameron Wright does…does he stick around, move position, or leave? Im inclinded to think he may leave…especially if Schreuder returns.

  • Comment 84, posted at 20.09.19 15:37:00 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 84) : I expect that if Schreuder returns Cam will leave. Nohamba was so much better than him this past CC.

  • Comment 85, posted at 20.09.19 16:00:22 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Just food for thought, I put together a team of guys that have left the Sharks in the last year or so:
    1. Beast(Retirement?) 2. Akker 3. Coenie 4. D DuPreez 5.Botha 6. Vermuelen 7. JL DuPreez 8. Van Der Walt 9. Wright( Possibly) 10. April 11. Zas 12. R DuPreez 13. Visagie 14. Winnaar 15. Smith

  • Comment 86, posted at 23.09.19 14:37:28 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Henco and ox still playing for the cheetahs in the Pro14

    Would it not have been better for them to rest before SR pre season?

    This is not unlike when we got mapimpi from the cheetahs

  • Comment 87, posted at 26.09.19 23:27:39 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 87) : Funny enough was going to comment the same thing yesterday but got distracted. Wonder when they will make the move, if only just before season starts then that’s a problem in my view as they will be tired and not integrated into the Sharks structures

  • Comment 88, posted at 27.09.19 12:51:32 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Jeepers, the Cheetahs have been good tonight. Absolutely blew Glasgow away…and the Sharks have clearly made some top signings!

  • Comment 89, posted at 27.09.19 20:44:17 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Their handling and offloading has been just sublime…

  • Comment 90, posted at 27.09.19 20:48:19 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 90) : Hope the boys bring that to our training camp

  • Comment 91, posted at 27.09.19 21:11:47 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 88) : I guess the best case scenario is that due to the segmented nature of the Pro14 schedule Henco and Ox might play a few games for the cheetahs in Pro14, there after get a few weeks rest, move to durbs get settled in, and only after then will they join us for SR pre season.

    Indeed Pastor, the Cheetahs started this Pro14 season like a house on fire, and yet they don’t even have their star winger (I forget his name) fit yet.

  • Comment 92, posted at 27.09.19 23:11:08 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 88) : My understanding is that their contracts end, at the end of October. They then joun the Sharks. After reading alot of criticism directed at Rhyno Smith on here, he certainly plays well within the Cheetahs game plan. I wonder if the Sharks game structure just didn’t suit his strengths, or is it just a case of the Cheetahs being a happy camp at the moment. I hope Henco and Ox can shine at the Sharks, both good players

  • Comment 93, posted at 28.09.19 14:27:50 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 92) : Rabz Maxwane. He was good in his first season. During the CC, he didn’t find as much space. Quite keen to see Duncan Saal and Craig Barry get a run. Rhyno Smith had a fine game yesterday. Between him and Blommetjies we have quite a bit of X- factor out wide. Cheetahs played a very high tempo game, they will have to adjust when overseas.

  • Comment 94, posted at 28.09.19 14:31:32 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 93) : In terms of Rhyno Smith, ive always been a fan since seeing him play Varsity Cup. I think a lot of the criticism towards him of late was due to him playing but having already announced he was leaving us. Aldo when he is good he is good, but he is prone to very costly errors when trying things when the safe option is the best option. But lets see how he goes. Cheetahs were very good against Glasgow, hope they will fare when its wet and raining im not sure, but dry weather should make them very competitive.

  • Comment 95, posted at 30.09.19 09:39:46 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 95) : I hear you. In that regard, he is very much like Blommetjies! He will revel in the Cheetahs style of play, which is generally less structured. The match vs Glasgow was generally good. Will wait and see how we tour.

  • Comment 96, posted at 03.10.19 04:29:52 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 93) : Ryno is a good player the issue is he never really got a run of games so would try a bit too much when he got a game the result was he would either be brilliant or awful.

    He can be a good player for you guys with an extended run. To play FB in the NH though he will need to work a bit more on the high ball and defense.

  • Comment 97, posted at 03.10.19 08:44:29 by Byron Wright Reply

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