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Law merry-go-round to continue?

Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :In the news, Tri Nations on 26 Feb 2008 at 09:55
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There is a slim chance that Australia’s Tests against Ireland and France in June and July will be played under the experimental law variations, but the laws are more likely to be introduced at international level in the Tri-Nations series.

Brett Harris writes in The Australian that the International Rugby Board has convened a special meeting with the European Six Nations – England, France, Ireland, Italy, Scotland and Wales – in Dublin to discuss the trialling of the laws in the northern hemisphere.

The Australian Rugby Union is keen to play the Tests against Ireland and France under the new laws, which are being trialled in the Super 14 series, but the northern teams will be reluctant to become international guinea pigs.

“Perhaps the June Test window would be an opportunity, but then you are asking coaches to get their players to play under laws they haven’t used in their club competitions,” IRB head of communications Greg Thomas said in Sydney.

“They will come up against teams that have played the ELVs for four months solid.

“It is a bit tough for them and let’s be fair, coaches are judged on results.

“They would feel coming down here and playing under a new set of laws would be a disadvantage to them. That’s why we are going to have this discussion with them in March.”

The laws are expected to be trialled in the European domestic competitions, which start in September.

The IRB needs to see the laws trialled in Europe before the IRB council meets in November to decide whether to trial the new laws worldwide for a year.

“The experimental law variations have been quite successful to date from the fact that we have now trialled them at the top professional level in the southern hemisphere,” Thomas said.

“We now need to see the laws trialled in the northern hemisphere.

“We need to identify some competition somewhere where the professional players can get used to playing them.

“We’ve probably got a vote in council in November about the introduction of the laws globally for 12 months. It’s only fair that the north should have a chance to play them.

“The next question is, if you decide to bring in the ELVs globally, at what time of the year do you bring them in because the fact you’ve got northern and southern hemispheres playing at different times, somebody will be disadvantaged.

“That’s why we feel if the north could at some time this year experiment with the ELVs both hemispheres will have had a look at them and played them and it will bring the implementation forward.”

The IRB council has already delayed voting on the global introduction of the laws by six months, and it is possible there will be a further postponement.

But the IRB cannot afford to push the decision back too far because new laws must be introduced two years before the Rugby World Cup, and the next tournament is in New Zealand in 2011.

“We have to get this right,” Thomas said.

“We are not rushing the ELVs in for any particular reason. We have already delayed them for six months. The original council vote would have taken place in May. Perhaps we will delay the council vote again, but the key issue is to get this right, to bring in the ELVs across the board, which we think are positive for the game.

“But we also have to remember that the World Cup is in 2011 and we have to have a sufficient amount of time where international teams play under the ELVs before the World Cup and that’s usually about a two-year period.”

SANZAR is almost certain to use the new rules in the Tri-Nations.

“The issue for SANZAR is, do they bring in the full raft of ELVs or just the ELVs in the Super 14,” Thomas said.

“There is a difference. The Super 14 is not trialling collapsing the maul or hands in the ruck and those are two key issues. That has to be determined as well.”

There is a suspicion in the northern hemisphere that the laws are a southern hemisphere invention to alter the game.

But Thomas said statistical analysis of the new laws in the Super 14 showed the game was fundamentally the same.

“What the statistics show is we still have the same number of scrums, there’s still lineouts, there’s still the tackle, there’s still the breakdown, this is still a game for all shapes and sizes,” Thomas said.

“I think some of those fears will be allayed, but it is up to the Six Nations unions to determine whether they want to trial these ELVs.”


  • You can’t expect the NH guys to agree to play under the ELV’s.

    It will give the SH guys a huge advantage if that is to happen.

    On the reverse side of the coin it is not exactly fair to get the SH guys to revert to OLD laws for a few matches.

    Catch 22 this.

    Just imagine the Look on Richie McCaw’s face when he gets a Penalty against him and not a Free Kick for playing the ball on the ground. Before he has figured out what is going on his side is going to be 12 – 0 down.

  • Comment 1, posted at 26.02.08 10:05:26 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • 26.02.08 10:05:26 – KSA Shark ©

    Nevermind McCaw, What about Schalk?? He is not the fastest upstairs so will take about 6 penalties and a yellow card before he get’s it worked out! 😕

  • Comment 2, posted at 26.02.08 11:50:55 by JT Reply
  • They need to stop messing around here… one set of laws for everyone, right now.

    First round of the Vodacom Cup was apparently a real nightmare. Nobody knew what the F was going on. Now imagine some of those guys move unp into the Super 14 teams? Much confusion.

  • Comment 3, posted at 26.02.08 11:54:19 by robdylan Reply
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  • As it stand currently a Bok Player will

    Play the ELV’s for the S14 from Feb to May
    Play the Old laws for the 3 Wales and Italy tests in June
    Play the Old laws for the 3 nations July and August
    Play the ELV’s in the CC in September and October
    Play the Old laws against England in Nov.

    What a F%^&EN mess.

    And WHAT FOR? The Northern hemisphere will not abot these laws and they have more clout with the IRB so the world will not adopt these laws.

  • Comment 4, posted at 26.02.08 12:18:12 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • ksa i am sure the s14 elv’s are being used in the tri nations.

  • Comment 5, posted at 26.02.08 12:48:03 by try time Reply

  • I think so too, TT

  • Comment 6, posted at 26.02.08 12:54:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • So did i think so but read the opening line of this article.

  • Comment 7, posted at 26.02.08 12:58:54 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • and the last few paragraphs

    Hey you shoulda read the article in the first place!!!!!!!!!! 😉

  • Comment 8, posted at 26.02.08 13:00:36 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • The sooner EVERYBODY plays the new laws, the sooner that they can iron out the problems, find the best balance and get experience with them before RWC 2011.

  • Comment 9, posted at 26.02.08 13:01:38 by Ollie Reply

  • When it comes to the IRB and SARU, I don’t know which circus has more clowns sometimes.

  • Comment 10, posted at 26.02.08 13:04:03 by Ollie Reply

  • Ollie… can you try find out what email AB was trying to send me the other day? I never got it.

  • Comment 11, posted at 26.02.08 13:04:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • ksa if we all believed the journo’s we would all think bismarck was injured. 😉

  • Comment 12, posted at 26.02.08 13:05:21 by try time Reply

  • Will do Rob

  • Comment 13, posted at 26.02.08 13:06:35 by Ollie Reply

  • Ollie

    Like this comment for instance.

    The experimental law variations have been quite successful to date from the fact that we have now trialled them at the top professional level in the southern hemisphere,” Thomas said.

    WOW 😯 and he knows that from just two weeks of trials???? 😯 😯

  • Comment 14, posted at 26.02.08 13:06:48 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Rob AB asked me for a mail last night, i sent it but it was one of those black hole emails.

    I sent it out but it went into a black hole and i got nothing back, 😉

  • Comment 15, posted at 26.02.08 13:08:13 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • KSA, I believe you have just found the ringmaster 😆

  • Comment 16, posted at 26.02.08 13:08:14 by Ollie Reply

  • Ollie

    :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 17, posted at 26.02.08 13:12:05 by KSA Shark © Reply

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