Looking ahead to Loftus

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Bulls, Original Content, Sharks, Super 14 on 26 Feb 2008 at 06:30

The Sharks and the Bulls will both need to make some changes to their respective teams going into Saturday’s crunch derby at Loftus Versveld. Herewith, my take on what each team should be thinking.

The home team have been boosted by the news that both lock Bakkies Botha and winger Akona Ndungane should be available for selection. This will go some way to offset the anticipated loss of Marius Delport to injury, as well as the potential suspension of JP Nel and loose forward Dewald Potgieter. By the time you read this, you will know the fate of the latter pair, but I am making the assumption that neither will be available for the showdown this weekend.

The Bulls quite patently need the extra oomph that Botha adds to the tight five and although he and Danie Rossouw are both really number 4 locks, the champions would do well to hand Bakkies the number 5 shirt on Saturday and play him in tandem with Paksale. Wilhelm Steenkamp can come on to add a more athletic option once the two hard men have done the business for the first hour. I still maintain that the Bulls need to replace Kuün at hooker and it is with this in mind that he further injury to Chilliboy Ralepelle is a cruel blow indeed. Although James van der Walt is hardly the most exciting member of that prolific rugby fraternity, but he might just round out what should be a vastly tougher tight five if given the opportunity to start. Jaco Engels and Kuün on the bench could add some impetus coming on in the second half.

In the loose forwards, Stegmann, van Heerden and Wannenberg will probably continue as a combination that is not short on pace. Without Potgeiter to come on, the Bulls have nowhere else to look but to Hilton Lobberts as the loose forward reserve. At least he adds bulk and aggression to the equation, although finesse is sadly not one of his stronger traits.

Assuming they persist with Hougaard at flyhalf, about the best centre combination the Bulls can field at the moment would see Morne Steyn at 12 and Wynand Olivier outside him. Ndungane’s return, at least, saves them from fielding possibly the least experienced back three in Super Rugby history in Demas, Mametsa and Kirchner. Expect Ndungane and Mametsa to be the wings, with Demas, Heinie Adams and one of their Vodacom Cup centres on the bench.

The Sharks have fewer injuries to contend with, although the news that Bismarck du Plessis won’t play is a huge blow. Expect Burden to come straight in – a move which may backfire unless his lineout work has improved dramatically in the off season. The rest of the tight five should remain unchanged, with Skipper Badenhorst possibly coming onto the bench in the number 16 shirt.

It’s in the loose forwards that I feel the Sharks really need to make a change; AJ Venter has looked badly off the pace in the two outings to date and I would recommend the slightly unorthodox move of playing Albert van den Berg at blindisde flank, in the hope that by means of speed and guile, he can achieve what Venter has struggled to through his brute force approach. Venter covers both lock and flank from the bench, allowing Keegan Daniel, who always seems to come right at Loftus, to occupy the fourth bench forward spot.

The unavailability of Ruan Pienaar may well play into the Sharks hands, as Kockott looked far sharper when he came on last week and frankly is a bloody good man to have starting in a big game such as this. Fred Michalak can cover scrumhalf if need be, so I would resist the temptation to bring Macleod in and rather consider including another forward in the 22, perhaps even Lensing, in case things get ugly up front.

Although the Sharks back division really didn’t get going against the Stormers, I would resist the temptation to make wholesale changes at this stage, other than to find a starting spot for Stefan Terblanche, on the right wing. Odwa Ndungane looked seriously underdone against the Stormers and I feel a bench role might suit him better this week.

So – this is how I would select the two teams, were I responsible for doing so:

15 Kirchner, 14 Mametsa, 13 Olivier, 12 Steyn, 11 Ndungane, 10 Hougaard, 9 du Preez, 8 Wannenburg, 7 van Heerden, 6 Stegmann, 5 Botha, 4 Rossouw, 3 Gerber, 2 van der Walt, 1 Steenkamp
16 Kuün, 17 Engels, 18 Steenkamp, 19 Lobberts, 20 Adams, 21 Dippennaar/Watermeyer 22 Demas

15 Steyn, 14 Terblanche, 13 Murray, 12 Barritt, 11 Pietersen, 10 Michalak, 9 Kockott, 8 Kankowski, 7 van den Berg, 6 Botes, 5 Muller, 4 Ackermann, 3 Botha, 2 Burden, 1 Mtawarira
16 Badenhorst, 17 du Plessis, 18 Lensing, 19 Venter, 20 Daniel, 21 Jacobs, 22 Ndungane


  • nel is playing and carstens will probably ready. odwa will start for quota purposes.

  • Comment 1, posted at 26.02.08 08:49:35 by try time Reply
  • Rob

    cool article

    I’d put Barrit on the bench with Steyn taking his spot at 12. Take Ndungane4 off the Bench, put him at 14 and move Stefan to 15.

    I think Dick Muir will only be switching Ndungane and Stefan from the team you posted.

  • Comment 2, posted at 26.02.08 08:53:14 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • i’d move barritt to outside centre, murray to wing. terbalanche to full back.

  • Comment 3, posted at 26.02.08 08:57:09 by try time Reply
  • oh and sorry deon still needs some match practice

  • Comment 4, posted at 26.02.08 09:02:37 by try time Reply
  • Good morning all.

    Only 1 week suspension for Dewald and JP Nel has been cleared.

    KSA – also think Steyn at 12 in place of Brad.

  • Comment 5, posted at 26.02.08 09:03:56 by Nessa Reply
  • Morning Nessa.

    I just can’t see the sense in playing the incumbent Bok 12 at a different position when he plays for his Province.

    There are other benefits to this as well. Currently Adi is the 2nd choice 12 in Dbn as Steyn is not considered as a 12 in Dbn. If Steyn goes to 12 then Barritt would be second choice which would take Adi out of the picture and to me that CAN’T happen he is to good a player and makes a big difference when he comes on.

  • Comment 6, posted at 26.02.08 09:09:33 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • it is amazing how nel keeps getting cleared. maybe he is dating one of the adjudicators sons?

  • Comment 7, posted at 26.02.08 09:10:08 by try time Reply
  • Steyn at 12???

    the man cant pass!

    No, leave the backs as they are.

    Odwa was poor in execution on Saturday, but he was the most industrious back on display. It takes a good player to step off the physio’s bench and into a S14 game – he has shown his quality.

    And i for one have yet to see a single player at the Sharks who is there for quota purposes.

  • Comment 8, posted at 26.02.08 09:12:14 by Big Fish Reply
    Big Fish
  • ksa frans was never taken as a 12 for the boks. her was cover for percy and butch. he happened into that position, doesn’t mean it is his position in the boks. remember de villiers has had a number of meetings with dick and i am sure steyns position has come up. i won’t be surprised if fullback is his bok position, with percy now gone. the position is right for him, he just needs to take a little more time lining up his drop goals.

    i am sure he will put 2 through at loftus

  • Comment 9, posted at 26.02.08 09:14:02 by try time Reply

  • I would chose either Steyn or Jacobs ahead of Barritt at 12…I was impressed with Jacobs defence on Saturday and I really believe he deserves another chance of a starting position.

    However Dick only sees him as a sub…..

  • Comment 10, posted at 26.02.08 09:16:53 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • big fish agree on the quota issue. but the argument is always stefan or odwa. both are equal so it is a tough call.

    stefan off the bench is probably the wiser choice as he fits into more positions than odwa. and to keep the politicians happy odwa pips stefan.

  • Comment 11, posted at 26.02.08 09:17:01 by try time Reply

  • TT

    And who would then be the Bok 12?

    No please don’t answer I don’t want to hear it. 😉

  • Comment 12, posted at 26.02.08 09:17:51 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • TT word has it de Villiers has Janjies earmarked for the number 15 jersey…

  • Comment 13, posted at 26.02.08 09:18:08 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • i am afraid it is de villiers and julies. barritt might get a look in off the bench.

  • Comment 14, posted at 26.02.08 09:18:54 by try time Reply

  • yes but jantjies is injury prone and i don’t think he’ll make it through the super 14. could be wrong though. if he keeps up the performance he had on saturday i wouldn’t mind him in that position.

  • Comment 15, posted at 26.02.08 09:20:27 by try time Reply

  • TT

    I just though about it, and I wasn’t quite accurate there.

    The biggest quota to ever grace a Sharks jersey was Rodger “the Dodger” Smith.

    Not trying to open a can of worms here, but seriously… 🙁

    KSA, Frans doesnt know how to pass, you do realise that, right? 🙄

  • Comment 16, posted at 26.02.08 09:20:30 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Damn!!!!!!!!!!!!! He answered anyway. 🙂

    Please NO!!!!!

    I was expecting JdV but NOT Julies.

    The JdV v Steyn Decision will not be easy for the Bok coach.

  • Comment 17, posted at 26.02.08 09:21:40 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • eventhough i gave a squad i would like to see play yesterday. i wouldn’t change the current line up except for rory to start. i think he will give fred the quick ball needed to break hougaard and wynand. and frans can drop kick from the ten meter line.

  • Comment 18, posted at 26.02.08 09:23:56 by try time Reply

  • Steyn should stay @ 15, Barritt to slow for a 13… 😎

    Sharks Backline:

    15. Steyn
    14. Murray
    13. Jacobs *
    12. Barritt
    11. Pietersen
    10. Michalak *
    9. Kockkott

    * Pivot positions as playmakers, can create alot for outside players… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 19, posted at 26.02.08 09:24:20 by Charlie Reply

  • BF

    I don’t agree. Steyn doesn’t make 50 / 50 passes and in that area he should be convinced to take a few more chances but in set moves / open backline play he distributes well albeit a little slow.

    Just imagine Michalak’s quick hands setting Steyn up for a gap every second or third move. Steyn will ROCK outside Michalak.

  • Comment 20, posted at 26.02.08 09:25:38 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • fish roger was slap tjips with greasy hands (and slap tjips never had great hands either). i really am impressed at how he has turned the bulls backline around. 😆

  • Comment 21, posted at 26.02.08 09:26:05 by try time Reply

  • ksa jean will get injured so pieter won’t have to make the decision

  • Comment 22, posted at 26.02.08 09:27:18 by try time Reply

  • Big Fish & Dive Pass,

    Watch the 2nd half of Sharks vs Sormers match, surely Adi did some good things on attack & defence, the standout moment was when he burst JDV (Softy) trying to tackle or perhaps touch him 🙄 out of his way… 😈

  • Comment 23, posted at 26.02.08 09:30:03 by Charlie Reply

  • i think our serious problem in the boks is not 12 or 15 but 10. although butch might get the nod, i think we need to get ruan ready for that position.

  • Comment 24, posted at 26.02.08 09:30:18 by try time Reply

  • charlie, adi is a champion. but i agree with dick on the issue. adi plays better when he comes on as super sub. it is best to use his abilities while he is fresh and the opposition is tired. there are a lot more gaps for him. in the cc he started a few games and he was nowhere near as effective as he tired with the opposition.

  • Comment 25, posted at 26.02.08 09:32:40 by try time Reply

  • TT, you are thinking of Ricardo Loubscher – way better than ole Rodger.

    Charlie, Adi did have a good game – playing at flyhalf mind you! I think the new laws will suit him.

    I can buy into your backline for now as I feel Murray, though he tackles like a centre, runs like a ing at the moment.

    He has yet to start running the kind of lines that Fourie, BOD, Mortlock, and even Marius Joubert, during his 2 great seasons, run.

    He thrives on broken play and running into space, which is great, but he doesnt run straight and hard, or flat and at an angle, enough.

    Maybe having 2 playmakers looking to give him, JP, Frans and Kanko space could work until he completes his game.

  • Comment 26, posted at 26.02.08 09:38:35 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Ruan and Frans both need a bit of direction in attack….both are prodigious talents who shouldn’t have their flair trained out of them but at the moment they are not fulfilling some of the primary roles that their position demands and are part of the problem of an attack that lacks the finishing touches.

    Barritt and Murray might be a settled combination but at the moment together lack penetration.

    For Saturday I would go with:

    9. Kockott
    10. Michalak
    11. Pietersen
    12. Jacobs/ Steyn
    13. Murray
    14. Ndungane
    15. Terblanche / Steyn

  • Comment 27, posted at 26.02.08 09:40:07 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • ksa jean will get injured so pieter won’t have to make the decision

    26.02.08 09:27:18 – try time Edit

    So then Steyn will be first choice. 😎 😎

    C’mon Dick give him a chance to show you amd PdV what he’s got?

  • Comment 28, posted at 26.02.08 09:40:13 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • i would like to see albert start because he is effective at disrupting opposition mauls. but i have also had to admit that he is a great super sub. people need to get over the notion that sitting on the bench is less of an honour. in my opinion super subs are underrated by fans. adi, albert and burden (even stefan) are excellent examples of players suited for the important role. it is the breaks like what charlie mentioned above that gives them the value of this position. i think the super sub role actually makes them more heroic. as they are fresh while the opposition is tired and they make some amazing play. they even (like rory on saturday) change the course of the game.

  • Comment 29, posted at 26.02.08 09:42:28 by try time Reply

  • lets look at albert for example. had he been a regular starter for the sharks would his carreer have lasted as long? i think the super sub position has added years onto his carreer and saved him from injury.

  • Comment 30, posted at 26.02.08 09:47:38 by try time Reply

  • try Time

    I agree on your thoughts about super subs being underated.

    All we have to do now is get the majority of people to stop trying to turn super subs into Starters.

  • Comment 31, posted at 26.02.08 09:50:49 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I know there is the whole Durban humidity question this time of year – but when one compares the current attacking ability of the Sharks backline to that of the Crusaders, the words headless chicken are more apt then Sharks and I believe Dick has part responsibility there.

  • Comment 32, posted at 26.02.08 09:52:07 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • 26.02.08 09:50:49 – KSA Shark ©

    The converse question how long do you stick with starters that look pedestrian?….for example Barritt before you consider a Super Sub or another for his position?

  • Comment 33, posted at 26.02.08 09:54:46 by Dive Pass Reply

    Dive Pass
  • DP

    good question.

    I am already looking to replace Barritt, but not with a supersub.

    I want Steyn in there, but I think everybody knows that by now.

  • Comment 34, posted at 26.02.08 10:00:49 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Point taken KSA and I was one calling for Dick to put Frans at 12 last year for the national cause.

    But on the Super Sub I just believe certain players are labelled super subs for various reasons, i.e poor defence, inability to as effective on attack when the defence is fresh etc. In Jacobs case it is perhaps has been a combination of defence and questions over his ability to penetrate a fresh defence. Jacobs shows signs of improvement in defence but how would we ever know if he has improved his ability to penetrate a fresh defence if we don’t give him a start?

  • Comment 35, posted at 26.02.08 10:08:56 by Dive Pass Reply

    Dive Pass
  • Dive Pass,

    Good ❓

  • Comment 36, posted at 26.02.08 10:12:59 by Charlie Reply

  • DP

    I rate Adi as a super sub and just that….. a SUPER SUB….. Not because he is inferior in any of the other departments but just because he usually does the business when he comes on.

    Now I suppose all good players (subs or starters) should be able to do that if they are what they are cracked up to be.

    To me Adi IS a good player but Steyn is better IMO and I would not argue with anyone who says Adi is better than Barritt or vice versa. To me Barrit and Adi are much of a muchness even down to their ability at 10.

  • Comment 37, posted at 26.02.08 10:17:37 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I’m sorry – I need to cut in here.

    Have you guys actually WATCHED any rugby this year? Barritt is head and shoulders above anyone else in the Sharks backline in terms of what he is actually doing today. Steyn has quite frankly been shit this year – he looks like he has a moerse World Cup hangover. I would quite happily pick Terblanche at 15 and leave drop-goal hero on the bench until he realises that there are 14 other guys on the field that he could pass to once in a while.

  • Comment 38, posted at 26.02.08 10:23:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • Barritt was unanimously voted the best 12 out of any on show in the first round… did you guys actually watch that game?

  • Comment 39, posted at 26.02.08 10:24:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • I HAVE to say this though.

    A few of us tend to see a guy play brilliant CC Rugby and we start shouting for him to be a Bok and in #46’s case even Bok Captain. Cases in point Fortuin, Roets, Floors, Watson and the list could go on.

    We have to consider the fact that CC is a step, rather a big one actually, below S14 and some of those guys will be good S14 players but very seldom great S14 players.

    Adi is a bit of an anomoly in this instance though and the reason for him being an anomoly is because of him being a super-sub at S14 level.

    In last years CC Adi was solid on everything that was asked of him but was he great? IMO no.

    Is that because he started the games rather than came on as a sub? Could be and I think actually Yes it is.

    In my mind Adi is a great sub at S14 and for that matter also at Bok level if needed but as a starter he is just slightly above average.

  • Comment 40, posted at 26.02.08 10:27:02 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Ok KSA we will agree to differ on Adi…I believe he has earned a run out.

    But I do agree with you that 12 is the right position for Steyn at this time in his career, it forces structure on him and takes away some of the decision making that goes with 10 and 15 and which he is not mature enough to make.

  • Comment 41, posted at 26.02.08 10:28:18 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • rob d agree on barritt. look at that flick pass in the first game that created that try. barritt may not find the gaps, but he creates gaps for those around him.

  • Comment 42, posted at 26.02.08 10:28:45 by try time Reply

  • ksa add corne krige to your list.

  • Comment 43, posted at 26.02.08 10:29:48 by try time Reply

  • I was wondering when Bradley’s dad would get here…

  • Comment 44, posted at 26.02.08 10:30:29 by Dive Pass Reply

    Dive Pass
  • Rob

    do you not think your post would have the exact same impact if Barrit was playing 15 and Steyn was playing 12 and you changed their names around everywhere in your post?

    This is how I see it.
    You have two 12’s one is playing 12 and the other is playing 15. Which will look better? I would say the one in the 12 position would look better everytime.

    It doesn’t mean that he is the better 12 of the two though it only means that he is better on the day becasue he is playing in the right position.

  • Comment 45, posted at 26.02.08 10:30:40 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • exactly, tt… Barritt to me is the re-incarnation of Dick Muir. The ultimate creator. Crumbs, you want to replace those silky passing skills with “hands-of-lead” Steyn?

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. The way Frans is playing now, he wouldn’t look out of place at 7.

  • Comment 46, posted at 26.02.08 10:32:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • one flick on pass does not a Muir make….

    One can’t sewn a Muir out of a Barritt…

  • Comment 47, posted at 26.02.08 10:35:00 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • dammit, KSA… don’t come with your “logic” now…

    Look, you definitely have a point. Fact is, I still maintain as the man in possession and part of an established combo that did very little wrong last season, Barritt at least deserved the opportunity to retain his spot. To my mind, he is doing that.

    Steyn needs to justify his position in the starting XV first, before he gets to pick and choose his position.

    DP – I feel like you guys were baiting me 😉

  • Comment 48, posted at 26.02.08 10:35:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • Brad had 2 good games so far – Rob is correct in that he is the only Sharks back to really create much (other than the magic Freddie).

    He created Stefan’s try against the Force, and he was also the author of our only creative move against the Stormers.

    Frans has not impressed me so far, least of all with his continued determination to run over, step or outpace every single player on the field.

    A 12 is a creator more than a finisher – which is why JDV is not a 12 in my opinion. Let Frans learn how to beat ONE player and then pass to a guy in space, and then I will say he should maybe start at 12.

    I haven’t been blown away by brad, but so far he hasn’t done anything wrong. If we do start with Frans at 12 though, Adi will definitely make the bench ahead of Brad.

  • Comment 49, posted at 26.02.08 10:36:02 by Big Fish Reply
    Big Fish
  • BF – Brad was pretty effective as an impact sub in his first go at Super rugby, back in ’06.

    Anyway – let me keep quiet, lest you okes think I have a soft spot for the lad 😉

    Fransie was a different player last year. He used to REGULARLY beat the first defender every time he got the ball. Not sure why he doesn’t do that anymore.

  • Comment 50, posted at 26.02.08 10:41:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • this frans argument can go on forever. i for one am on the fence. barritt has served the sharks well at 12 for over a season, now everyone wants his head. frans played better than wynand in a couple of world cup games and now he is the messiah of inside centres. we need a full back. odwa and stefan can plug the gap, but frans has the opportunity to develop into one of the best fullbacks the world has ever seen. i feel he is in the league of andre joubert and can surpass this legend. he needs time to settle. i know yesterday i said he must move to 12. but i was pissed off with the way he played. but on reflection it was his first appearance at full back in a long time. i want the guy to play there a few more games before i form an opinion.

  • Comment 51, posted at 26.02.08 10:42:36 by try time Reply

  • what you guys think of the Albert at 7 plan?

  • Comment 52, posted at 26.02.08 10:42:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • Okay Rob so I will stop being logical and say this. 😉

    Barrit is the man in the seat so he should get to keep his spot. I use the same philosophy when it comes to being the Bok 12.

    So now does the Provincial 12 get to start ahead of the Bok 12 when he returns to his province?

    I would say no, but (AND THIS IS THE CRUX OF THE MATTER) I am an armchair coach and Dick Muir is the real coach.

    We haven’t lost yet so Muir is the guy who is getting to make the decisions and while i may differ from what he decides he has brought home the bacon so far this season so i will be happy with what he chosses.

  • Comment 53, posted at 26.02.08 10:44:30 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • KSA – we may not have lost yet – but both wins have not been pretty.

  • Comment 54, posted at 26.02.08 10:45:39 by Nessa Reply

  • If we do start with Frans at 12 though, Adi will definitely make the bench ahead of Brad.

    26.02.08 10:36:02 – Big Fish Edit

    And then DM will need a restraining order against Rob. 😉

  • Comment 55, posted at 26.02.08 10:48:24 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Diplomatic KSA…diplomatic…..

    On the criticism of Muir how many would vote for the Sharks to beat Crusaders if they were playing each other on Saturday? On that count I believe a bit of constructive criticism is warranted, because we all want the best for the Sharks (except for Admin and some other teams supporters 😉 ).

  • Comment 56, posted at 26.02.08 10:49:22 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • guys – let’s just step back for a second and realise how truly fortunate we are that we can even have this sort of discussion.

    There is no other team in SA right now that can have a sensible debate about which 12 to leave out!

  • Comment 57, posted at 26.02.08 10:49:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • Nessa

    That is spot on.

    I am just glad I can do my selections from behind a screen.

  • Comment 58, posted at 26.02.08 10:49:45 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Mysteries of the Super 14 II: When is someone going to teach Francois Steyn (and Juan Smith, and Schalk Burger, and Danie Rossouw, and Derick Hougaard et al) that passing is a skill worth learning?

  • Comment 59, posted at 26.02.08 10:50:02 by Charlie Reply

  • yeah the bulls have a choice between wynand and morne steyn. what a selection.

  • Comment 60, posted at 26.02.08 10:51:32 by try time Reply

  • KSA – that’s for sure. I love being an armchair coach!

    RD – you are so right. Nice position to be in.

    Charlie – Waylon also needs to pass more.

  • Comment 61, posted at 26.02.08 10:52:30 by Nessa Reply

  • Fransie was a different player last year. He used to REGULARLY beat the first defender every time he got the ball. Not sure why he doesn’t do that anymore.

    26.02.08 10:41:03 – robdylan Edit

    Because he is not playing at 12 maybe? 🙂

  • Comment 62, posted at 26.02.08 10:52:45 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Barrit and Steyn is both kak

  • Comment 63, posted at 26.02.08 10:52:58 by Admin Reply
  • Campo said a at a breakfast I went to a while ago that if they could teach AJ to pass – they can teach anyone to pass. 😆

  • Comment 64, posted at 26.02.08 10:53:05 by Nessa Reply

  • that passing is a skill worth learning?
    26.02.08 10:50:02 – Charlie

    How badly is AP injured I think he is the ideal guy to get the Lions going on attack with these new laws…

  • Comment 65, posted at 26.02.08 10:53:33 by JT Reply
  • KSA – you need a spoon?

  • Comment 66, posted at 26.02.08 10:53:40 by Nessa Reply

  • admin you mean kakwarm.

  • Comment 67, posted at 26.02.08 10:56:16 by try time Reply

  • Starting to understand why Campo left Durban 😉

  • Comment 68, posted at 26.02.08 10:58:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • Letting the kids down: That’s South Africa’s five Super Rugby franchises. Tournament sponsors Vodacom have launched a “Smiles for Tries” pledge in which they donate R10 000 towards the Smile Foundation (which focuses on the needs of children born with facial abnormalities) for every try scored on South African soil by the five local teams. After two rounds the total SA tally is 13 – one less than the number scored by the Crusaders and the Blues in just one round at the weekend. PS: The five New Zealand teams have already scored 31 tries – and they’ve mostly been playing away!

  • Comment 69, posted at 26.02.08 11:00:42 by Charlie Reply

  • wasn’t camp enough?

  • Comment 70, posted at 26.02.08 11:00:45 by try time Reply

  • I thought Mr Campese was coaching at the lofty height of Northwood school?

    On the subject of handling skills why doesn’t SA Rugby contract Cheryl Caldwell to assist all our teams for the Super 14?

  • Comment 71, posted at 26.02.08 11:03:15 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • KSA – you need a spoon?

    26.02.08 10:53:40 – Nessa Edit

    I have a BIG wooden one on the cabinet at home in SA. 😆

    Says something along the lines of “World’s greatest stirrer” 😳 Dunno why they gave it to me though. 😳

  • Comment 72, posted at 26.02.08 11:04:25 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • KSA – hmmm. I wonder! 😈

    By the way, did you ever get hold of my friend in Bahrain?

  • Comment 73, posted at 26.02.08 11:08:39 by Nessa Reply

  • No Nessa not yet.

    When i next have a match in bahrain I will send him a mail a while before.

    As it turns out I am off to the other side of KSA for 4 weeks again on sunday and won’t be doing ANY reffing for a while. 🙁 or for that matter be seeing any S14 😥

  • Comment 74, posted at 26.02.08 11:10:46 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Back on the topic of Loftus, I’m hoping that I don’t encounter the pervasive thuggery that is the hallmark of Bulls supporters at their home stadium.

    Every previous trip I’ve made there has been unpleasant as a burst testicle (I imagine). The rugby itself has been ok, but hell it’s a shit place to go if you’re not in a blue jersey…sad!

  • Comment 75, posted at 26.02.08 11:11:51 by Waz Reply

  • KSA – so not being able to watch the games, you can come to any conclusions you like about how well Steyn and Brad are playing 😉

  • Comment 76, posted at 26.02.08 11:12:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • Waz – last few times I’ve been to Loftus, I’ve positively enjoyed it.

    Sharks have given the Blou Massief a pak or two in the last few years.

  • Comment 77, posted at 26.02.08 11:13:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • That makes one of us Rob. Last time I was there my fiance was preggers with my son and that didn’t stop a bunch of drunk pricks trying to manhandle us in the queue. 👿

  • Comment 78, posted at 26.02.08 11:17:17 by Waz Reply

  • 26.02.08 10:52:58 – Admin

    Look X for inside centre maybe oubaas? 😀

    Charlie, when you gonna write that article on inside back play? 🙂

  • Comment 79, posted at 26.02.08 11:18:54 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Waz – the only time I have ever taken my wife there, I regretted it.

    Going on my own was okay. I just wore as much Sharks gear as I could and chirped the mofo’s in Afrikaans when necessary.

  • Comment 80, posted at 26.02.08 11:20:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • so not being able to watch the games, you can come to any conclusions you like about how well Steyn and Brad are playing

    26.02.08 11:12:20 – robdylan Edit

    Nobody likes a smart arse. 👿


    And I won’t let my opinion be swayed by how they actually played either. 😉

  • Comment 81, posted at 26.02.08 11:21:53 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Hi Waz – remember that. Not very nice!

  • Comment 82, posted at 26.02.08 11:22:12 by Nessa Reply

  • And no talk about testacles here! This is a family site!

  • Comment 83, posted at 26.02.08 11:22:38 by Nessa Reply

  • 26.02.08 11:11:51 – Waz Edit

    DUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You can’t say testicle!!!!!!!!!! 😳 😳

    Your mom is around.


  • Comment 84, posted at 26.02.08 11:25:56 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • [email protected] KSA. Dont worry – after years of carting Jeppe Boys around in my car – I have heard some really scary things!!!

  • Comment 85, posted at 26.02.08 11:26:54 by Nessa Reply

  • 26.02.08 11:22:38 – Nessa

    if it weren’t for them cojones their wouldn’t be any family to frequent the site. 😉

  • Comment 86, posted at 26.02.08 11:26:59 by Big Fish Reply
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  • sorry mrs balls

  • Comment 87, posted at 26.02.08 11:27:36 by try time Reply

  • And I won’t let my opinion be swayed by how they actually played either.

    Good. Neither will I. Bring it! 😉

  • Comment 88, posted at 26.02.08 11:29:19 by robdylan Reply
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  • KSA, I thought it was better than ‘cracked nuts.’ 🙂

  • Comment 89, posted at 26.02.08 11:33:09 by Waz Reply

  • Where are all our Stormers friends this week?

    This is not a chirp by the way, but I’m getting worried about ’em. ❓

  • Comment 90, posted at 26.02.08 11:34:13 by Big Fish Reply
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  • BF – point taken! 😀

    TT – now don’t you start!

    Waz – just pulling your chain … ‘cos I can.

  • Comment 91, posted at 26.02.08 11:34:48 by Nessa Reply

  • Besides which, families are started (at least in part) by testicles, so I don’t see the problem with discussing them on a family site? 😛

  • Comment 92, posted at 26.02.08 11:34:54 by Waz Reply

  • :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 93, posted at 26.02.08 11:35:22 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Where did I hear that saying “I’m the mother – got to love me”??

  • Comment 94, posted at 26.02.08 11:35:23 by Nessa Reply

  • Where did I hear that saying “I’m the mother – got to love me”??

    26.02.08 11:35:23 – Nessa Edit

    No you got it wrong I think. isn’t it supposed to be “Only his mother can love him” 😉

  • Comment 95, posted at 26.02.08 11:38:46 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • no – it was “I’m the baby, gotta love me” and it was that brilliant 90s sitcom “Dinosaurs”

  • Comment 96, posted at 26.02.08 11:39:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • Comment 97, posted at 26.02.08 11:40:26 by robdylan Reply
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  • Not the mama!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 98, posted at 26.02.08 11:40:45 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • robdylan… a collector of unconsidered trifles.

    And a well of useless information. 😉

    So Nessa, now that your son is on, when do we have the pleasure of the rest of the family? Then we will change the site’s name to “Nessa’s World”. 💡

  • Comment 99, posted at 26.02.08 11:42:22 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Okay – so I got it wrong AGAIN!

    BF – still trying to talk my daughter into blogging – she is Tiger on the Sharks website. Like that – “Nessa’s World”

  • Comment 100, posted at 26.02.08 11:44:00 by Nessa Reply

  • Dinosaurs was great, though I was too young to fully appreciate it. I do however remember mumsy twisting the baby’s saying to suit her own purpose. 🙂 Perhaps one day I’ll furnish our audience here with a few other choice sayings from mom that, I believe, were pioneered by her alone. 😈

  • Comment 101, posted at 26.02.08 11:45:22 by Waz Reply

  • RD – I have lost my little row of smiley faces! What did I do?

  • Comment 102, posted at 26.02.08 11:45:30 by Nessa Reply

  • that show was SO clever.

  • Comment 103, posted at 26.02.08 11:46:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • I’m also starting to think that 12 keeps Steyn under control…

    Waylon has the “can’t pass” disease but on Saturday he was better that Steyn…

    Either way…the Bulls will get on Sat…

  • Comment 104, posted at 26.02.08 11:50:35 by blackshark Reply

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  • nessa – try refreshing the page?

  • Comment 105, posted at 26.02.08 11:50:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • RD – I really think I have broken it now – taking ages to get onto this thread. Don’t worry – the smilies are on the other blogs – just not this one. Will just have to manage without them.

  • Comment 106, posted at 26.02.08 11:56:29 by Nessa Reply

  • Tyger! Tyger! burning bright
    In the forests of the night,
    What immortal hand or eye
    Could frame thy fearful symmetry?

    In what distant deeps or skies
    Burnt the fire of thine eyes?
    On what wings dare he aspire?
    What the hand dare sieze the fire?

  • Comment 107, posted at 26.02.08 11:58:40 by Big Fish Reply
    Big Fish
  • Blake? I remember we discussed that poem in school once. I think I was immensely disdainful 😀

  • Comment 108, posted at 26.02.08 12:04:08 by Waz Reply

  • BF

    Now you’ve scared everyone away 🙂

  • Comment 109, posted at 26.02.08 12:05:26 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Ness – I know why.

    It’s because numbnuts here linked directly to a youtube video.

    It’s obviously timing you out.

  • Comment 110, posted at 26.02.08 12:05:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • Interesting comment from Dick… ““We are looking forward to playing at Loftus because the conditions will suit our style of play,” said Muir. “

  • Comment 111, posted at 26.02.08 12:08:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • Ness – is the page any better now?

  • Comment 112, posted at 26.02.08 12:09:32 by robdylan Reply
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  • RD – thanks. I’m back (and so are the smiley faces)!

    And of course Waz knew exactly what BF was talking about. Why I am not surprised.

  • Comment 113, posted at 26.02.08 12:23:10 by Nessa Reply

  • “distainful”?? 😳

  • Comment 114, posted at 26.02.08 12:23:42 by Nessa Reply

  • BF – this was just posted on the Sharks website but quite a reliable source as well:

    “Bismarck is not injured and took full part in training this am”.

  • Comment 115, posted at 26.02.08 12:28:45 by Nessa Reply

  • BF

    Seems like your source may actually be a sauce. 😉

  • Comment 116, posted at 26.02.08 12:30:06 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Maybe they are just throwing a curve ball to make the Bulls think he is not playing – however, on the other hand, maybe they don’t want the Bulls to know that Bismarck isn’t playing until the last minute … the plot thickens!

  • Comment 117, posted at 26.02.08 12:32:02 by Nessa Reply

  • Ness… can you mail me and let me know who that Trojan guy is?

  • Comment 118, posted at 26.02.08 12:32:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • Ness… can you mail me and let me know who that Trojan guy is?

    26.02.08 12:32:51 – robdylan Edit

    Don’t give Rob his cell number!!!!! The guy might never speak to you again 🙂

  • Comment 119, posted at 26.02.08 12:34:28 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • well – even if Dick/Bashie did say to an assembled gaggle of press “Bismarck trained this morning”, I wouldn’t believe it.

    They don’t want the Bulls to know that Bis is out

  • Comment 120, posted at 26.02.08 12:37:06 by robdylan Reply
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  • RD – I don’t actually know him – but he hardly ever posts and when he does, he always seems to know what what he is talking about. One of the player’s families told me they seemed to think he was related to one of the players – but I can’t confirm that.

    I think you are right – they don’t want the Bulls to know until the last minute that he isn’t playing.

  • Comment 121, posted at 26.02.08 12:41:02 by Nessa Reply

  • Waz, Blake was a latter-day Bob Dylan man!

    I enjoy his stuff – very allegorical and spacy; but still very beautiful language.

  • Comment 122, posted at 26.02.08 12:41:22 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Ness… I will ask my Sauce who he is 😉

  • Comment 123, posted at 26.02.08 12:43:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • Nessa, strange things can happen – and doctors can be wrong.

    I do however have great faith in my sauces – i only use top-quality ingredients.

    Less hope that this chef doesn’t end up with egg on his face. 😉

    Actually, lets hope he does – cos then Bismark will be uninjured! 😆

  • Comment 124, posted at 26.02.08 12:44:07 by Big Fish Reply
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  • BF – I would love for Bismarck to be uninjured! I suppose we will see.

    You may have to re-write your recipe book!

  • Comment 125, posted at 26.02.08 12:45:14 by Nessa Reply

  • Okay – here it is:

    Bismarck was at training last night as well, they are assessing if he can play or not. But he was feeling rather tender at practice last night.

    Now that’s from my “sauce”.

  • Comment 126, posted at 26.02.08 12:47:50 by Nessa Reply

  • this is what I posted on Sharksrugby:

    “Shit, I would LOVE for this news NOT to be true. We’ll print a full retraction and include a picture of Big Fish kissing Bismarck’s ass :)”

  • Comment 127, posted at 26.02.08 12:48:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • BF: Just had a thought…Burton fan too?

    Never been huge on poetry for some reason, but I will look into some of his stuff to see what I’ve been missing. 🙂

  • Comment 128, posted at 26.02.08 12:49:28 by Waz Reply

  • nessa… now we have too many sauces. We might end up ruining the meal 😉

  • Comment 129, posted at 26.02.08 12:49:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • Hey!

    Dont pimp me out Rob! 👿

    Look, I cant promise if he will play or not, but I am pretty sure that he has a broken rib.

    If I am wrong on that, you will find at least one less sauce in my kitchen. 😆

  • Comment 130, posted at 26.02.08 12:51:37 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Well – sounds like he is definitely injured – they just have to make a decision on whether he will play or not. If it is a broken rib – I wouldn’t play him – too risky. He could puncture something!

  • Comment 131, posted at 26.02.08 12:53:11 by Nessa Reply

  • Waz, which Burton is that?

    I definitely enjoy Tim Burton’s work.

    Some Blake:

    To see a World in a Grain of Sand
    And a Heaven in a Wild Flower,
    Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
    And Eternity in an hour.

  • Comment 132, posted at 26.02.08 12:55:27 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Ness – care to mail me re who YOUR sauce is?

  • Comment 133, posted at 26.02.08 12:55:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • If I am wrong on that, you will find at least one less sauce in my kitchen.

    26.02.08 12:51:37 – Big Fish Edit

    Yeah Sauce don’t taste so good when you break their knee caps. 😉

  • Comment 134, posted at 26.02.08 12:56:55 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Ok fine, nobofy else likes Blake, its clear.

    How about some Robert Browning then? 😳

    Another favourite Romantic poet.

  • Comment 135, posted at 26.02.08 13:09:34 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Wee slicket cow’ring timrous beastie?

  • Comment 136, posted at 26.02.08 13:15:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • 26.02.08 13:09:34 – Big Fish

    I hate romantic poets….always trying to be so deep in such shallow ponds…Bob Dylan would be insulted at the comparison 😉

  • Comment 137, posted at 26.02.08 13:19:59 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • Big Fish,

    Maybe you must ask your “tomato sauce” for a refund, Hamchutney perhaps… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 138, posted at 26.02.08 13:23:40 by Charlie Reply

  • Heard Stormers fan singing the song by Sean Kingston…. Beautiful Girls (Suicidle) 😈

  • Comment 139, posted at 26.02.08 13:25:23 by Charlie Reply

  • my faverit singer is steev hofmayer. i leik his tunes as they are very clever. like ou pampoen en stukkende skoen. deep like the abyss that decends on leftus when the floor eating blue bulls come to town.

  • Comment 140, posted at 26.02.08 13:29:18 by try time Reply

  • Ja Charlie, my sauce must have expired – and now I have fool poisoning!

    DP, Dont tar ’em all with the same brush. I dont have a romantic (in the sense that women like) bone in my body; but I do enjoy a Poem like Andrea del Sarto.

    Some lovely stuff from that era.

  • Comment 141, posted at 26.02.08 13:31:40 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Charlie… if Bismarck plays, I reckon Fish will be out hunting with his kitchen knife 😉

  • Comment 142, posted at 26.02.08 13:31:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • Big Fish,

    Well – sounds like he is definitely injured – they just have to make a decision on whether he will play or not. If it is a broken rib – I wouldn’t play him – too risky. He could puncture something!

    26.02.08 12:53:11 – Nessa

    At least this sounds like your info is not far from true… 😆

  • Comment 143, posted at 26.02.08 13:35:15 by Charlie Reply

  • Rob,

    That’s old school in Cape Town my broe, he chase hulle jou met ‘n panga… 😯

  • Comment 144, posted at 26.02.08 13:36:20 by Charlie Reply

  • Sharks have left the door very nicely open with the article that just went up on their site.

    No smoke without fire, chaps… if there was no truth to the story, they wouldn’t be denying it.

  • Comment 145, posted at 26.02.08 13:36:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • Hehehe! 😆

    I live behind the Boerie Curtain here boet – I sommer grab my Isuzu wheel spanner and klap them! 😈

    Rob, Im pretty certain he is better than reported, but I wont be too surprised if he doesnt quite make it onto the paddock on Saturday.

  • Comment 146, posted at 26.02.08 13:42:17 by Big Fish Reply
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  • rob so when you getting this pic of fish kissing bismarcks heinie?

  • Comment 147, posted at 26.02.08 13:46:21 by try time Reply

  • Fish kissing bismack and heinie?

  • Comment 148, posted at 26.02.08 13:52:40 by provincejoulekkading Reply
  • province and that is how rob got it wrong. someone told fish that bismarck was not training yesterday he had sore ribs. fish then tells rob that bis has bruised ribs and will be out for 4 days and rob, well does what all journo’s do… elaborates. So now bismarck has broken ribs and out for 4 weeks . if keo gets this article bismarck will have shattered ribs and a broken toe and will be out for 4 months.

  • Comment 149, posted at 26.02.08 13:58:57 by try time Reply

  • hey.., I had NOTHING to do with this debacle 😉 Other than providing the platform for Fish to air his dodgy stories 😉

  • Comment 150, posted at 26.02.08 14:04:00 by robdylan Reply
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