Springbok coach Peter de Villiers did not mince words when he heard that Isma-eel Dollie had been excluded from the Stormers squad for their Vodacom Super 14 fixtures in Australasia.
“If I were Isma-eel Dollie, I would also have been unhappy,” De Villiers said on Tuesday. Dollie was the SA under-21 flyhalf when De Villiers coached the team in 2006 and also a member of the Stormers squad until last week.
Adnaan Mohamed reports that on Monday, Stormers coach Rassie Erasmus told the 23-year-old flyhalf that he should gain more experience by playing for the Western Province Vodacom Cup team.
‘A FINE PLAYER’
De Villiers said every coach had the right to select which players he wanted to and he was not going to interfere with Erasmus’s decisions.
“I don’t know what Rassie’s reasons are, but all I can say is that I believe Isma-eel is a fine player who represented South Africa with great success at under-21 level.
“Isma-eel is an outstanding player with unusual creative talents,” he said.
“It doesn’t matter to me whether a player is white, black pink or brown. I selected him because he was good enough, but every coach has his own ideas.
“However, some players do not receive the same opportunities that others do. They also do not receive the assistance and support that other players do.
“I have nothing against Rassie’s decision, but for me it is about equal opportunities,” De Villiers said.
He added that there were many players who did not receive enough opportunities at Super 14 level. “Players such as Hilton Lobberts, Adrian Jacobs and Kabamba Floors do not play enough Super 14 rugby.”
Dollie, lock forward Francois van der Merwe and loose forward Justin Melck trained with the WP Vodacom squad at Brookside on Tuesday.
WP coach Jerome Paarwater said these players would bolster his side for the match against the Lions at Ellis Park on Friday.
Robbie Diack and young centre Juan de Jongh are in the Stormers squad and will not be available for WP this week.
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I am surprised that Dollie is not going on tour.
Does this mean that Tony Brown has arrived?
Word is joining them on their second game of the tour.
Any idea why so long?
The Japanes play off finished this last weekend with the Wild Knights losing in the final (Maybe Brown spent too much time in Dbn) 🙂
That would mean he only joins them in the run up to Round 5.
Does RAssie feel that Grant is sufficient as the only recognised 10 in the side or am I missing a name?
Think Pieter has a point here. A bloody shame Doillie dont get a change , ditto Kabamba who is sitting on the bench now for two years, the same to Hilton Lobberts.
I am wondering with De Villiers at the helm – whether Adi Jacobs will get his Bok callup again?
“De Villiers said every coach had the right to select which players he wanted to and he was not going to interfere with Erasmus’s decisions.”
Well, by publicising his views so openly he is indirectly trying to interfere in Rassie decision – mainly via the political fallout that always follows such utterances – and he de Villiers knows that.
Having said that I fully agree with his sentiments, Dollie is a fine flyhalf and I think will be well suited to the new style of rugby.
I can’t understand WHY Dollie isn’t there.
He seems to have the goods and with no backup at 10 surely he should be there.
Salmonoid – exactly! He is interfering.
I just think Grant is doing just fine at flyhalf – maybe with Dollie on the bench?
Nessa that is just it though.
PdV is moaning because Dollie has been dropped from the S14 squad not just the match 22.
Just realised that. 😳
Dont think Grant is doing great at the moment. He is better in 12 tho but myself thought the Reds game would have been the perfect oppertunity for Ismauel if Grant have another bad one against the Saders.
WP is not doing good to talented youngsters and Ismauel already showed his value for Boland.
Good on Pieter , having the guts to speak out. I mean Tony Brown is a NZ has been and Rassie should rather get the young talent aboard.
I am one that hates the qouta thing but love young talent to make a stepup. Ismauel is very talented.
PB – Grant didn’t have a good game last week – but prior to that I think he has done very well. Everyone has at least one bad day in the office and hopefully he has had his.
Agree Salmonoid – but you must allow for journo spin as well – maybe he was asked what he thought rather than volunteered this?
That said, Dollie is really being wasted by the Stormers – he is no smaller than Aplon or even Michalak, and deserves a few opportunities based on what he has shown.
Adi will hopefully get more gametime and must be a consideration as an impact back for the Boks at least.
Lobberts I rate as having potential, but he is not a cerebral player, and hanging with the Bulls isn’t going to change that.
I say again, I would love to see him at the Cheetahs or Sharks – there he would be taught things he is now deficient in.
Maybe Rassie must give Peter Grant playtime in the Vodacom Cup, surely @ the moment there are no real pressure on him to perform, no flyhalf on the bench either… 🙄
Nessa,
Should Adi get regular game time and proceed on last years performances then there might be a suprise call up to the Bok squad, IMO if Jacobs are rated as an specialist impact player then surely the Bok can do a lot with a player like him 😉
Charlie – you know my take on that. Last year for the WC he would have been my choice ahead of Wynand Olivier.
Big Fish,
Agree on Lobberts, he can surely developed into a more responsible cool headed player @ another team… 🙄
Jake White prefered his inside centres to be blond… 😆
Nessa there is plenty to take over Olivier. I read the thread but just want to see everones view. I am in shark water here.
I am Marius Joubert biased tho and the way he played for the Cheetahs last year and now for clermont, eina. Thats the one Jake White missed for some reason.
Charlie – you know my take on that. Last year for the WC he would have been my choice ahead of Wynand Olivier.
27.02.08 12:05:22 – Nessa Edit
Spot on!!!!!!!
PB – I think we all have our favourites! Nothing wrong with that.
I would have chosen KSA ahead of Wynand for the WC.
Would have necessitated seeing him in skimpy shorts and a tight (around the middle) Bok jersey, but he would definitely be hard to stop on the charge.
Come to think of it, he has played touch judge before, so maybe put him at 13 outside Wynand, and he would receieve scoring pass after scoring pass…
I am a genuis i tell you!
BF – good one. The word “genius” only touches on describing your worth! 😀
Still would have chosen Adi!
BF 🙂
Are you implying that I changed my family name and that it used to be Scholtz before. 👿
My Name is Andre not Andries 👿
KSA Shark
can I call you ANDRIES? hehehehehehehe 😯
Not at all KSA – I have seen your gracious movements and elven tread – your robust appearance belies your delicate touch. I noted that you have a woman’s hands. 😎
HO 😆
As long as you don’t call me Dries. 😆
Actually rather call me by my 2nd name………… Jacobus 😳
BF
KSA Shark
do you give me permission to call you Mort (Mortassagne)? 🙄
Seriously though, any lad of your generous proportions who can ref a game and also run further than any normal person should want to is surely (do I sound like Charlie? 😆 ) a good weapon on the charge.
Hoi ja mase kind, miniete vir jou
No there was no mention of Adi in you post so you still have a ways to go before sounding like Charlie. 😆
Hey hey hey!
Salut my broeder vanna anner moeder!
It was getting lonely out here! 🙂
Gatsby for lunch & guava juice to prevent the choke… 😎
KSA,
🙄 🙄 🙄
Lucky you.
Im off for the rest of the day, with lunch a distant possibility.
Cheers all.
Cheers BF
Today is MY friday 😎
Cheers all – also off to get some lunch.
i want to say something on this topic but rob d will moan at me again. so all i will ask is dollie strong and big enough for this level of rugby? personally i think no therefore he shouldn’t get preferential treatment…
TT
That comment leaves you open for a bit of abuse. 😉
Are you saying a player should only get preferential treatment if he is big enough?
I would say NO player regardless of his size should get preferential treatment.
A question that I would like to know the answer to is whether PdV is concerned about Dollie being left out becasue he was one of his old players or because he wants him to be one of his future players? or Both?
ksa, point taken but i am sure people will see my argument. dollie isn’t strong enough to break tackles or defend well. he is in the mould of hougaard, except he can run. the flyhalf needs to take down big forwards, what chance does dollie have. imagine him trying to bring down richie mccaw. maybe i am wrong, but i doubt it, because that is the only reason i can see why he is staying behind.
am Marius Joubert biased tho and the way he played for the Cheetahs last year and now for clermont, eina. Thats the one Jake White missed for some reason.
27.02.08 12:09:05 – PaarlBok
tell me what you think of Joubert after watching this video clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QOMQGMmlrA
👿
I am trying to up-load a similar video of Faalie Oelshig and one of a Scotisch intl. for soccer style BS! 🙁 😥
This acting does not belong in rugby
JT
you wouldn’t happen to have a clipo where the pig spits on the Brumbies (was it Gregan) player would you? 👿
LOST all respect for him after that.
27.02.08 13:58:13 – KSA Shark ©
Sorry but missed that, when did that happen? I am making it my mission to name and shame these players who bring these soccer style antics to my beloved game! 👿
JT
Please tell me the Faalie one is the one from this past weekend where he falls like you hit him with a hammer between the eyes and he actually just got a little nudge.
JT
It happened in the S14 last year. I actually initially thought it was Philip Burger until the replays showed it was Joubert.
Still on RW at that stage but I threw my toys bug time.
27.02.08 14:00:49 – KSA Shark ©
indeed it is, he should have seen a yellow for taking the ball when it was a Force PK and for acting like a .oos!
De Villiers is a walking contradiction and seemingly off his nut.
I get really concerned when the new guy ventures an opinion on absolutely everything.
He starts off by saying he doesnt know the detail, hasnt talked to Rassie and has no idea why Dollie was dropped.
He then goes on to say its soemthign he wouldnt have done… despite his earlier statement that he has no clue as to why it happened.
I’ve never rated Dollie – he’s simply a darker version of Brent Russel. Simply too small to play top-level rugby.
There is a world of difference between playing u/21 rugby and playing S14.
Joubert had a shocking dive about 2 or 3 weeks ago for Clermont.
Player walked past and tapped him on the head in a sort of “good play fella” sort of move and Joubert collapsed as if he’d had his eye scratched out by a French prostitute and having problems passing stools at the same time.
Was widely reported in Europe and basically upheld as extremely poor sportsmanship. With the undertones of “those SH players are at it again”.
I thought it was disgraceful. Didnt help that Justin Marshall took a similar dive on the same weekend.
If there’s one thing thats not tolerated in England its diving on the pitch.
Pretty any action where the comment of “a real man wouldnt do that” is not tolerated here.
27.02.08 14:06:30 – VinChainSaw
see my earlier post:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QOMQGMmlrA
27.02.08 13:54:52 – JT
Vinnie
We dont know if Dollie is good enough do we? He certainly was good enough at U21 level but as you say there is a huge difference between U21 and S14.
My problem is why does WP rugby sign guys like Naas Olivier and Joe Pietersen (who are both small) but dont give a guy like Dollie a chance.
He has been playing for WP since U19’s.
Anyway, i saw him late last year and he is not that small.
wpw,
Hoi ja mase kind, hoe lyk die nomme, broe van my…
only one way to find out if Dollie is good enough for super rugby…play him!
I mean he has been hovering on the sidelines for the past couple of seasons, & did reasonably well for Boland in the CC last year.
duidelik charlie… 🙄
Just busy as always…
Can someone please post the profiles of dollie, giteau and michalak…
hey what’s happened to Egon Seconds & Breyton Paulse?
I take it Breyton chose not to head up to Bloem, did he officially retire?
And what about Egon, the most underrated wing in SA? He got released ne, this after WP screwed him royally last season by refusing to release him in order to join Agen in France….
Very interestingly, a wingers’ spot has just opened up in Agen, after they decided to release the giant pothead Caucicibana with immediate effect… I wonder if somebody’s bothered to tell Second’s agent 🙄
Kwaai man,
Bly om van jou te hoor… 😆
Stiek yt Vrydagaand by Newlands man, ek gan oek daa wies… 😈
Can someone please post the profiles of dollie, giteau and michalak…
27.02.08 14:20:50 – wpw Edit
I will make is easy.
They are all the same size so the Dollie is to small argument holds NO water. I actually think Evans is the same size.
Le Requinny,
I know Breyton are currently with the Superrugby show on DSTV’s Kyknet channel and also doing training in the Banking & Commerce trade… 😉
Please don’t start this size debate again, ‘coz even a big guy like Danie Rossouw (now Pap Slae) look small against the Crusaders… 😯
Quinny
Egon is playing for Hamiltons here in the WC.
How the hell do you release a guy who scored over 50 CC tries in about 60 matches and then sign Wylie Human, retain Joe Pietersen?
Did Seconds not score a hat trick against your beloved Sharks team less than 2 years ago?
Just before Vinnie’s lovechild left for Sarries…
Diabolical if you ask me…
KSA
According to the Stormers website Dollie weighs in at a hefty 79kgs.
Damn! That can’t be accurate.
Its pretty simple, he is about as big as Hougie, Paulse, Russell and a few other average players. He deserves a chance.
He might turn out to be a good player but hell the way things is going we will never find out.
Seconds is playing for Hamiltons, under Ackers. Agree with LR there. Play Ismauel, at least he will kick his penalties out and catch the ball, not like Grant.
wpw,
Hamiltons pays big money for players, think Jaco Gouws who played for SWD Eagles and Sharks are still on their “books” 😎
wpw
I agree and even if he was smaller he is the ONLY back up flyhalf that Rassie has.
Only he will know why he is going on tour with only one flyhalf and with Brown only joining them in week 2 of the tour.
Jaco Gouws 😯
Now there is a Sharks LEGEND if ever there was one.
🙄
He is the same size as that Ebersohn wünderkind, then.
Isn’t Gouws still overseas?
KSA
Joe Pietersen seemed to be the back up 10 on the bench for the 1st 2 games.
wpw
Then Rassie has some strange ideas IMO.
Dollie is definately better than Pietersen, I would argue that Grant is better than Dollie, but Dollie has to be better than Pietersen
Gouws has been playing his rugby in Cape Town since last year.
Remember McNiel Hendricks? He is also on Hammies’ books.
So too Randile Julies, former Boland lock and played for the Stormers a few years ago.
Grant is better than Dollie but he isnt playing as well as he did last year.
Thank heavens Ignatius Olivier has left for France.
Mac Hendriks? Boland winger? That the guy? Played for the Cats, I think?
Built like a flipping tank, was he not?
FREDERIC MICHALAK
Position: Flyhalf
Physical: 1.82m; 84kg
Club: Sharks
Ishma-Eel Dollie
Position:Flyhalf
Physical:1.72m, 79kg
Club: Stormers
Derick Hougaard
Position: Flyhalf
Physical:1.76m; 85kg
Club: Tswane Cows
Its pretty simple, he is about as big as Hougie, Paulse, Russell and a few other average players. He deserves a chance.
He might turn out to be a good player but hell the way things is going we will never find out.
27.02.08 14:30:54 – wpw Edit
Yeah, and all those made it big… 🙄
Paulse was the only one who really made it big and there were question marks above his head for most of his career.
And Dollie spent most of last year waiting for the spears saga to be sorted out while Grant cemented his place in the side.
So either Dollie has to play himself in or hope Grant and Brown get injured.
I dont buy this whole “agh just give him a chance”.
This isnt a game on a park.
Yip. I think he was a midweek Bok as well.
He was selected by Sir Nick Mallet if my memory serves me…
Dollie is definately better than Pietersen, I would argue that Grant is better than Dollie, but Dollie has to be better than Pietersen
27.02.08 14:46:35 – KSA Shark © Edit
sorry if I’m way off base here but is pietersen not a wing and dollie a flyhalf?
If that was the case you could argue habana is better than butch with the resultant argument also being applicable.
And now you want to advocate dropping a player who has now been through 2 seasons of super rugby and acquitted himself to such a degree that he earned a bok call-up.
And this for an as-yet unproven player?
Vinnie
Hougie has about 3 CC medals and a S14 one to boot. He was really good in his first 2 CC seasons.
Just got Andre ‘Sick Note’ Pretorius’ profile from the Lions website.
There is NO WAY he weighs in at 90kgs.
Should we really be using the term “better” when what we really mean is “less mediocre”? 😉
Unless he’s been eating a LOT during the off season. I don’t think Petoors ever topped 85.
Vinnie
Hougie has about 3 CC medals and a S14 one to boot. He was really good in his first 2 CC seasons.
Just got Andre ‘Sick Note’ Pretorius’ profile from the Lions website.
There is NO WAY he weighs in at 90kgs.
27.02.08 14:52:51 – wpw Edit
Yip and we still say he’s kak.
Wonder what he would look like without a monstrous Bulls pack. Oh ja, we’re seeing it right now in the s14…
Vinnie
Pietersen came off the bench in the Bulls game and played at 10.
Mallet rated him as a 15 who can play 10. What a joke!
SARugby.co.za also has him at 90… 😯
So many French players can play and do play 9 or 10 depending on where they are needed. If a player like Dollie could be as versatile maybe that would help his career? What you think? 😕
Vinnie yes you could argue that but ONLY if Butch was expected to cover wing.
in this case it seems as if Pietersen is covering flyhalf
I weigh in at a sound 92kgs.
And I find myself small on a normal lower-league pitch.
Fair point KSA.
But consider this. As a coach would you keep a fullback in your side who can cover flyhalf or keep a third flyhalf?
This, of course, assuming there is not too much depth at fullback…
Vinnie
No one is saying Grant should be dropped.
Dollie is the only other 10 in the squad (before Brown arrives) and it doesn’t make sense to send him to play VC if there is no one else available.
If Grant gets an injury i’d prefer Dollie in his place instead of Pietersen.
Brown should be 2nd choice though…
Rassie prides himself on his tactical nous.
I very much doubt this was a spur-of-the-moment decision and it was carefully thoguht out, analysed and debated before being done.
but pietersen isn’t even on the bench… Why are we discussing this again?
So wpw, what you are saying is that he’ll get dropped anyway in a week or two.
As second choice he probably wont see gametime on saturday.
So then surely the decision to send him to WeePee to get gametime is the right decision under the circumstances?
Vinnie
2nd Flyhalf not third. (until Brown arrives)
At the moment he has ONE flyhalf. What happenes if Grant breaks a leg trying to get away from an amorous supporter? Whos will he use then to start at 10?
Please not Pietersen.
Jessie you guys with the sizes, listen to your Mrsse advise. Size dont matter , its the all skills. 🙄
I have no problem with Dollie being demoted to VC once the 3rd flyhalf ACTUALLY arrives.
27.02.08 15:01:29 – KSA Shark © Edit
lol KSA.
In fairness, you do seem to talk about the reserve flyhalf as if it’d somehow influence the weekend’s result.
Whihc I strongly doubt…
Vinnie
Why do you think WP has invested so much in Dollie but never select him for the CC side?
Last year Grant was 1st choice (and rightfully so) with Olivier as his back up.
Why send Dollie to Boland if he has been in the system for so long?
I just dont get it. If they did not rate him why still offer him a contract?
Last year Rassie said Dollie would get a chance at S14 level but now he sends him to play VC even though he only has one flyhalf available.
Last year Rassie said Dollie would get a chance at S14 level but now he sends him to play VC even though he only has one flyhalf available.
27.02.08 15:03:37 – wpw Edit
And we’re only in week 3 chum…
Jantjes should be at FH if Grant gets injured!
Vinnie
Why do you think WP has invested so much in Dollie but never select him for the CC side?
Last year Grant was 1st choice (and rightfully so) with Olivier as his back up.
Why send Dollie to Boland if he has been in the system for so long?
I just dont get it. If they did not rate him why still offer him a contract?
27.02.08 15:03:37 – wpw Edit
That I wouldnt know but its totally irrelevant in my opinion.
WeePee is not exactly known for being frugal with money and unions often contract a multitude of players in one position.
Jantjes should be at FH if Grant gets injured!
27.02.08 15:06:20 – JT Edit
Good point. And Pietersen would then cover fullback…
Whats happened to Paul Delport, the scrummie that was the under 21 captain in the same team as Dollie. There were great things expected of him.
He is around Salmonoid.
If i’m not mistaken he is 3rd choice scrummie behind Lelik and Bolla.
Lelik? That’s an insult.
To ugly people 😉
Does he know you call him Lelik – he seems to be playing some good rugby in the Stormers jersey.
hehehe
What does KSA call him?
‘Watdefokkykdjy’
He has been playing well hasn’t he?
And no, he doesn’t know i call him that. 🙄
Does P de v still think 3 SA sides may finish in the top 4 ?
Look more like 3 SA sides in the bottom 4, so far ?
And if we look crap playing at home, the wheels are gonna fall off big time when our sides travel.
yoss
Stormers will still make the semis imho. 🙄
I predict a victory against the Saders on Friday night.
And no, i am NOT gesuip or on tik. 👿
Cheers guys and Robd. 😎
Will log on later tonite…
yoss, I think De Villiers has got his log turned upside down.
Yossarian – man am I jealous of your nick, do you want to sell it?
you place Yoss in a bit of a catch-22, now Salmonoid…
😀 😀 😀
salmonoid, no way. I have been calling myself yossarian on blogs and MSN since they were invented 🙂
I have read Catch22 seven times. 😀 and counting 😀
think you should snap up the domain http://www.yossarian.com …
Awww but I suppose first come first served is only fair. 🙁
some bunch of assholes also grabbed robdylan.com while I wasn’t watching.
Why would you want robylan.com ?
careful… I have an “edit” button 😉
later guys. I am off to toddler duty. 30 mins run around the garden pretending to be a monkey, 30 mins watching Barney , and presto – it’s time for supper, bath and bed.
and they said parenting was gonna be tough 😀
Barney!?
😮
my angel is asleep 😉
I wish I had one of them edit buttons, huge potential for a toy like that.
a dangerous tool even in the right hands, Salmo…
You like writing?
Id like it a lot more if I could do it at anything resembling a decent speed and had the time.
Imagine what Joseph Goebels could have done with that edit button of yours.
yeah we could delte all the Stormers fan comments…
Or we could make them sound intelligent 😆