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Habana and Bakkies might play against Lions

Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :Bulls, Super 14 on 3 Mar 2008 at 12:02

The Vodacom Bulls coach Frans Ludeke said on Monday morning that Bryan Habana and Bakkies Botha are eligible for Friday’s match at Loftus against the Lions.

The BBRU reports that Botha had to withdraw on Friday because the ankle injury he picked up on the Springboks’ end of year tour was still not 100 percent and Habana was on the sideline due to the rib injury he sustained in the first round match against the Stormers.

Meanwhile JP Nel and Jaco Engels will appear before the citing commission on Monday and if they are suspended the Bulls have a number of options available.

Wynand Olivier can wear the number 13-jersey with Morné Steyn at inside centre or the coaches can call upon the young Vodacom Cup centre Stephan Dippenaar.

Marius Delport played at outside centre during 2007’s campaign but he is still on the sideline with a groin injury and will not be able to play against the Lions.

The other junior centres at the Bulls are Braam Gerber, Stefan Watermeyer and Dewald Pretorius.

If Engels is banned the coaches can call upon one of the three props that played against the Wildebeest on Saturday. Sangoni Mxoli and Dean Greyling started the match while the former Springbok Richard Bands was used as an impact player.

Mxoli can play tighthead as well as loosehead while Greyling prefers to scrum on the left hand side. However, Werner Kruger, is able to play on the left as well as the right.


  • They have been eligible to play all season…………. It is a question of whether they are fit to play or not that should be of concern.

    I can’t help myself. 😳

  • Comment 1, posted at 03.03.08 12:09:03 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • Dewald Pretorius? Isn’t he a number 8?

  • Comment 2, posted at 03.03.08 12:19:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • From 365.

    Bulls coach Frans Ludeke, who is hopeful of having World Cup stars Bryan Habana and Bakkies Botha back to face the Lions at Loftus Versfeld this coming Friday, has dismissed the notion that discipline – or the lack thereof – is a problem for his team.

    Ludeke confirmed that there were no serious injuries from his team’s 15-29 loss to the Sharks at the weekend, but the citing of centre JP Nel (for a dangerous tackle) and prop Jaco Engels (punching) will cast a shadow over the team.

    They will both appear at a SANZAR (South Africa, New Zealand and Australia Rugby) judicial hearing on Monday and Ludeke has accepted the fact that both will probably both be suspended.

    That is why the return of Botha and Habana is so crucial to his team’s cause, not only ahead of their encounter with the Lions, but also their four-match Australasian tour.

    The Bulls depart on Saturday, the day after their trans-Jukskei encounter with the Lions, and will face the Reds in Brisbane next Saturday (March 15) – followed by encounters with the Chiefs in Rotorua, the Blues in Auckland and the Western Force in Perth on consecutive Saturdays.

    Botha had to withdraw last Friday, from the team to face the Sharks, because the ankle injury he picked up on the Springboks’ year-end tour was still not 100 percent.

    Habana has been sidelined with a rib injury since their First Round win over the Stormers last month.

    Ludeke, while admitting that he will continue to work on disciplinary issues with his team, denied that there is a widespread problem.

    “Yes, we will have to take a look at our discipline,” Ludeke told rugby365.com in an interview.

    “The last couple of weeks there were some incidents and two citings. We addressed it [discipline] last week and will continue to work on this aspect,” the Bulls coach said.

    Ludeke was adamant that while the team will pay the price for the actions of the two players – Nel (dangerous tackle) and Engels (punching) – the encounter with the Sharks were littered with incidents that went unpunished.

    Sharks lock Johan Ackermann was very fortunate that he was not cited for the punch that he threw early in the first half, while young Keegan Daniel (Sharks flank) was certainly no angel either.

    However, the citing commissioner only saw fit to cite the Bulls.

    “It was a typical local derby, a very physical game that was full of incidents,” Ludeke said.

    “In those games your discipline has to be at its best and it [discipline] certainly play a big role,” the Bulls coach said, adding that he felt both Nel’s tackle and Engels’s punch were “heat of the moment” incidents.

    He also defended the actions of his midfielder, Nel, who is now being branded as a ‘serial offender’ – after a number of previous foul play transgressions.

    Ludeke said they have been working on Nel, much like the Sharks had to do when Springbok flyhalf Butch James was labelled as a ‘no-arm tackler’ years ago.

    “If you look at the incident [where he tackled World Cup star Francois Steyn] you will see that JP [Nel] certainly didn’t try to hurt the player,” Ludeke said.

    “When he realised there was a problem [with Steyn having gone airborne in the tackle and beyond horizontal], he pulled out instead of diving in on him. Yes, of course he was meant to have held on and put him down safely, but at least he didn’t go through and spear him into the ground.

    “We just have to be careful that we don’t take this out of context and say our [the Bulls’] discipline is bad.

    “Discipline is one of the most important pillars of success for us, but it is something that we will look at again and address again.

    “However, I don’t think this should be taken out of context.”

    Ludeke said he doesn’t plan to discard any of his players because of these disciplinary perceptions.

    “I am working with the players and I don’t have problems working with him [Nel] in future.

    “As I said before, you could see there’s already a change in his attitude.”

    The Bulls coach was also adamant that Engels’s punch on Sharks captain Johann Muller – which left Muller with a cut eye – was retaliatory.

    “It [the punch] will affect us later and we will pay the price later.

    “However, there were lots of incidents in the game, which was a typical derby.

    “At the breakdown the guys wanted to dominate and it certainly wasn’t the only punch in the game.

    “It was a physical game and the important thing is that you don’t overreact.

    “Yes, obviously we can improve on our discipline, obviously it will cost us later, but look every weekend – there are incidents in all the games … rugby is a contact sport.

    “We just have to be smarter about it don’t retaliate and get involved in these incidents,” Ludeke added.

  • Comment 3, posted at 03.03.08 12:45:46 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Ludeke is in denial

  • Comment 4, posted at 03.03.08 12:56:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • As for the Lions…

    Earl Rose is OUT – broken hand
    Doppies is OUT – hamstring

    They’ve called up the Pumas Vodacom Cup flyhalf Rudi Vogt (???) to cover Rose on the bench.

  • Comment 5, posted at 03.03.08 13:02:09 by Le Requinny Reply
  • Vogt is top points scorer in the Vodacom Cup 😉

  • Comment 6, posted at 03.03.08 13:08:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • yes, but 1 of his 2 games was aginst the Wildebeeste 🙄

  • Comment 7, posted at 03.03.08 13:12:19 by Le Requinny Reply
  • Earl Rose is OUT – broken hand

    Obviously moering another rugby player is not as easy as moering your girlfriend. 👿

  • Comment 8, posted at 03.03.08 13:12:28 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Ooh KSA, that’s bitchy 😎

  • Comment 9, posted at 03.03.08 13:45:56 by hellbent Reply

  • HB

    Call me a bastard 😉

    But if the guy smacks his girlfriend around he needs to be named and shamed as often as possible.

  • Comment 10, posted at 03.03.08 14:01:10 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • True. I heard she painted some grafitti on his car at training to the effect that he was such a nice guy to women NOT

  • Comment 11, posted at 03.03.08 14:08:11 by hellbent Reply

  • KSA – now I know why I like you! 😈

  • Comment 12, posted at 03.03.08 14:15:39 by Nessa Reply

  • So the Bulls need to bring in their big guns to beat the Lions. 😉

  • Comment 13, posted at 03.03.08 14:16:03 by Nessa Reply

  • I heard she painted some grafitti on his car at training to the effect that he was such a nice guy to women NOT

    03.03.08 14:08:11 – hellbent Edit

    Would love to have seen his face.

  • Comment 14, posted at 03.03.08 14:20:44 by KSA Shark © Reply

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