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Bulls try to talk away their discipline issues.

Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :Bulls, Super 14 on 11 Mar 2008 at 06:43
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Discipline will make or break the Bulls’ Super 14 rugby tour of Australasia, a member of the squad’s coaching staff warned on Monday.

“We have conceded five tries in our last two matches while we were reduced to 14 players as a result of sin-bin offences,” defence coach John McFarland said.

“Those were costly lessons and there should be no misconceptions about the importance of discipline in our four tour matches,” McFarland said from the Australian Gold Coast.

Morris Gilbert writes in Beeld that the Bulls play the Reds in their first tour match in Brisbane on Saturday.

McFarland said the experimental laws promoted broken play, which made it even more important to have 15 players on the field at all times.

He agreed with head coach Frans Ludeke that the Bulls had no intention of resorting to foul tactics. The infringements by and the suspensions of Dewald Potgieter, JP Nel and Zane Kirchner should be seen “in the correct context”.

“We have made about 5 000 tackles in our last 31 Super Rugby matches and were shown only four cards for spear tackles or similar offences,” McFarland said.

Precautionary measure

“This proves beyond all doubt that the Bulls do not have a pattern of using illegal tactics. There is, therefore, no danger that the referees and their assistants will target us.”

McFarland was delighted with the crucial role defence had played in the victory over the Lions last weekend. The Bulls were down to 14 players for 40 minutes after the red card Kirchner was shown for a spear tackle.

The Bulls, who had their first practice on Australian soil on Monday, will be able to consider all 25 players in the tour squad for the match against the Reds.

Fourie du Preez, who has a hand injury and Bryan Habana, who has a slight knee problem, did not train but will be on duty on Tuesday.

As a precautionary measure, Wikus van Heerden and Derick Kuün were told not to make any contact on Monday. Van Heerden received a knock against the head against the Lions and there were fears that Kuün may have a broken rib.

It is expected that Ludeke will, to retain continuity, make only one change to the starting lineup, moving Morné Steyn to fullback in place of the suspended Kirchner.

This means a midfield shuffle, with JP Nel returning from his suspension to partner Wynand Olivier, who had a fine game against the Lions.


  • You HAVE GOT TO be kidding me?

  • Comment 1, posted at 11.03.08 06:44:49 by KSA Shark © Reply
    KSA Shark ©
  • “We have made about 5 000 tackles in our last 31 Super Rugby matches and were shown only four cards for spear tackles or similar offences,” McFarland said.

    Yes but you have a total of 4 Cards, 6 citings (not to be confused with citations for bravery) and 4 Bans in the last three weeks alone!!!!!!!!

    All that indicates is that the Bulls were not a dirty side under Heyneke Meyer. But under Frans Ludeke they sure as hell are.

    Or is it a case of ” their is a plot against us” again.

  • Comment 2, posted at 11.03.08 06:49:12 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • As I said yesterday…Die Bulle is die vuilgaste rugbyspan die afgelope 2 jaar, elke duikslag is so te sê ‘n stywe arm… 👿

    Under the reign of Heyneke Meyer they did the same, referees just could not identify them… 🙄

  • Comment 3, posted at 11.03.08 07:37:23 by Charlie Reply
  • “We have made about 5 000 tackles in our last 31 Super Rugby matches and were shown only four cards for spear tackles or similar offences,” McFarland said.

    Problem is, the other teams are averaging 0.5 to 1 cards for spear tackles over the same period.

    They obviously don’t teach logic at Loftus.

  • Comment 4, posted at 11.03.08 08:42:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • The Bulls should stick to what they know best.

    Moering their way out of a tight spot.

    This talking your way out of a tight spot is working well for them.

  • Comment 5, posted at 11.03.08 08:46:47 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • you meant NOT working well for them, oubaas? 😉

  • Comment 6, posted at 11.03.08 08:52:32 by robdylan Reply
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  • check I should also try an moer my way out as talking isn’t working for me either. 😳

  • Comment 7, posted at 11.03.08 08:54:13 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I’ve added a video clip of the Lions first try in the match against the Bulls, go have a look, it was a nice try if you haven’t seen it yet.


  • Comment 8, posted at 11.03.08 08:58:03 by walter van transvaal.co.za Reply

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  • Thanks Walter.

    now that i’ve dowloaded the codec i can watch the vids 😎

  • Comment 9, posted at 11.03.08 09:07:21 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Obviously a Bulls Fan who was not happy with Mark Lawrence suggesting a red for Zane Kirchner.

    Bernard Sasse

    Question: Please talk to me about consistency and the “spear tackle”. In Pretoria, it’s a red card. In Hamilton it’s a yellow card. In Brisbane it’s a penalty. In Pretoria it gets cited but not in Bloemfontein, Canberra, Cape Town, Hamilton or Brisbane.

    It’s a ridiculous situation. Justice is certainly not seen to be done.

    How can you justify your recommendation to the touch judge in Pretoria? By the same token, if you can justify what you did, how do you justify the discrepancies elsewhere?

    Mark Lawrence: Hello Bernard,

    Thanks for the question and the opportunity for me to respond. I am like you disappointed in the number of spear tackles that have surfaced this year. I can state categorically that the IRB wants to stamp out spear tackles, so much so, that when adjudicating a spear tackle we are told to start at red and then work down.

    Firstly there is a history to spear tackles, which the Brian O’Driscoll-Tana Umaga incident in the Lions tour to New Zealand highlighted. The IRB condemned spear tackles and produced a video of nine spear tackles to coach referees into what is to be stamped out. Funnily enough, most spears went unpunished, in the earlier years and even after the video of the iRB we continued to miss them as referees, the Lote Teqiri spear tackle on Richie Macaw in the Tri Nations being a classic. The next year the IRB produced another video highlighting dangerous play missed by touch judges including spear tackles.

    This year the good is that all the spear tackles have been spotted and penalised. That is a step up. The problem now is the perceived inconsistency from referees as you point out.

    So on that point let’s look at what constitutes a spear tackle and what is the punishment. There are four components we look at.

    1) the grip
    2) the lift
    3) the twist or turn (past the horizontal)
    4) the drive

    The grip can be through the crotch or by grasping the leg or legs with the hand and arms as opposed to tackling some one where just the force of the tackle causes the legs to lift and they fall onto their body.

    The grip and lift is an action. If he brings him to ground safely but not on his feet then a penalty is the minimum sanction.

    If however the player is twisted beyond horizontal but lands safely, i.e. not on his head or shoulders, then a yellow card is the minimum sanction possibly a red

    But if he is lifted beyond the horizontal and his head or shoulders are driven into the ground it is a RED card.

    Now one can forgive a referee who only gets one look at it in real time and does not have the benefit of replay. There may be differences in the colour of the card because he couldn’t adjudicate on all four components perfectly although we are asked to start at red when deciding. That’s why the citing officer is there, They have many replays and 12 hours to decide. To get it wrong here is unforgivable.

    For my part In Zane’s red card as you asked me to justify. I ruled as follows in terms of the criteria above:

    1 guilty
    2 guilty
    3 guilty
    4 Half guilty as he did not let go and carried on with the tackle

    Another aggravating factor that sealed it for me was that the opponent at no time had the ball.

    What more can I say but for you to judge based on the above info. The difference probably between Pretoria and Hamilton was at least in Hamilton he was the ball-carrier. Brisbane was to me the worst as he was clearly driven into the ground on his head and also didn’t have the ball. That might be the exception that makes the rest look inconsistent when in fact that might be the only one out if sync. But you decide.

    Hope this makes things a little clearer.

    Regards – Mark

  • Comment 10, posted at 11.03.08 11:31:00 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • he’s a top ref, that. Just had enough of the Bulls’ shit, like all the rest of us.

  • Comment 11, posted at 11.03.08 11:40:09 by robdylan Reply
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