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Dick Muir sees the light.

Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :In the news, Sharks, Super 14 on 31 Mar 2008 at 06:52

Dick Muir has admitted that Francois Steyn prefers inside centre – where he played in the RWC – and that is where he would be used against the Hurricanes.

John Bishop of The Witness reports that the Sharks left on their gruelling Super 14 tour of the Antipodes on Sunday with their heads high but their feet firmly on the ground.

The unbeaten Sharks stuttered to their sixth successive win at King’s Park on Saturday evening, relying on their bench and a strong second-half performance for their 22-10 win over the young but enthusiastic Reds.

The Sharks returned to second place on the Super 14 log but coach Dick Muir readily conceded that they would have to improve dramatically on their form if they were to remain contenders while on their five-match whirl of New Zealand, Australia and back to New Zealand over the next month.

“If we play like we did in the first half against the Reds next Saturday (when they face the Hurricanes in Wellington) we’ll lose by 30 points,” said Muir.

Indeed Muir’s post-match refrain has become an entirely familiar one – relief at the victory but disappointment at the way it was achieved.

“I’m happy with the result because it was an awkward game and at a bad time just a day before our tour.

“Our replacements again made a massive difference in the second half but we should not be relying on them so much and putting them under pressure to keep performing.”

Captain Johann Muller agreed.

Wanted a fourth try

“We were poor in the first half, our tactics were wrong and we played into the Reds’ hands by kicking the ball to them. It was much better in the second half when we took the game to them and kept the ball in hand. But we are really disappointed we did not get the fourth try and the bonus point,” said the Sharks lock.

“But what pleased me was how hard the players tried, even from our own line, to get that fourth try in the closing minutes.” It was, in keeping with the sporting cliché, a game of two halves with the Reds in control of possession and territory in the first and the Sharks dominating those areas in the second.

The difference, as Reds coach Phil Mooney pointed out later, was that the Sharks were good enough to take their scoring chances while his young team failed to finish off promising moves.

Mooney said the Sharks’ first try could have been the turning point in the game, providing a 14-point turnaround.

“We were hard on attack and looked like scoring but the Sharks intercepted, (JP Pietersen) kicked downfield and (Odwa Ndungane) scored.”

Mooney said his players had expected a tough physical contest. “Many of our young guys have not been to King’s Park before and they have not played in front of such a big crowd (42 000). We knew the Sharks would come at us and that we had to match them at forward. I’m proud of our players.”

Mooney said the tactic against the Sharks had been to speed up play and attack the space out wide.

“We did that successfully but the problem was that we let a couple of scoring chances slip away in the first half and then could not win any possession in the second.”

Untidy first half

The Sharks appeared more balanced, lively and structured after Frederic Michalak came on at flyhalf for the second half with Francois Steyn shifting to centre.

But Muir defended the efforts of Steyn who had a typically physical but untidy first half.

“I don’t think you can blame Frans. The whole team did not perform in the first half and that certainly made it difficult for him.”

Muir admitted that Steyn would prefer inside centre – where he played at the World Cup – to flyhalf and said that was where he would be used against the Hurricanes. That, of course, is not good news for centre Brad Barritt but there is little doubt that Steyn, at the moment anyway, is not suited to a decision-making position.

No one can doubt his fierce commitment and his resolute defence but at centre, running off the creative Michalak, should bring his attacking skills into play.

The skilful Michalak again looked in excellent form while combative scrumhalf Rory Kockott, lock Albert van den Berg and Tongan Epi Taione, though he appears to lack condition, provided the Sharks with momentum in the second half.

The full Sharks squad, nursing an assortment of bumps and bruises, left Durban yesterday and Muir said that he had never before been involved with a group of players who were so excited about the prospect of touring.

Still, there are hard times ahead and Muir will have to transform that enthusiasm into a couple of 80 minutes performances if the Sharks are to stay at the business end of the log.


  • Okay I have now asked THREE people and the 1st of April is only tomorrow.

    Dick you beauty!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 1, posted at 31.03.08 06:54:49 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • at last the wisdom returns but who will take the back seat,
    9 rory
    10 freddie
    12 steyn
    13 barrit
    11 ndugane
    14 waylon
    15 stefan

  • Comment 2, posted at 31.03.08 06:55:43 by barend Reply
  • Barend

    It has to be Barrit.

    Adi, Epi or Murray (in order of preferance) to start at 13.

    Kockott / Pienaar (undecided)
    Adi / Epi

  • Comment 3, posted at 31.03.08 06:59:02 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • true brad has not reached his top so far but come to think of it nobody besides rory has has consistant form, steyn/murray can be effective with adi from the bench for steyn with 20 to go

  • Comment 4, posted at 31.03.08 07:04:41 by barend Reply
  • Barend

    i could live with that. 🙄 hell I would LOVE that. 😉

    After the Canes have tackled and tackled for 60mins then the Sharks bring on Adi and Epi. “ouch” 😳

  • Comment 5, posted at 31.03.08 07:07:35 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • yip could be the spark we lacked over the weekend

  • Comment 6, posted at 31.03.08 07:10:23 by barend Reply
  • Goodmorning everybody… 🙄

  • Comment 7, posted at 31.03.08 07:43:16 by Charlie Reply
  • Well, like I said yesterday, Brad needs a rest. I love the way this guy reckons 12 isn’t a decision-making position!

  • Comment 8, posted at 31.03.08 07:49:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • Rob,

    Steyn failed @ 10, must say he’s the luckiest player in the team as the coach will move him around but not drop him at all… 🙄

  • Comment 9, posted at 31.03.08 07:55:00 by Charlie Reply

  • Charlie

    Ja best you roll your eyes with that comment. 😉 🙂

  • Comment 10, posted at 31.03.08 07:56:01 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • the truth spoken charlie, if steyn could be managed like JW did last year he will be there on the field every time, he needs to be told what to do and how to do it, flyhalf gives him 2 many things to think about, at 12 he knows what he must do and and how 2 get it done. he is much like Gaffie who had all the talent but lacked the maturity, then again steyn is only a puppy but one that has decided to run with the big dogs

  • Comment 11, posted at 31.03.08 08:03:05 by barend Reply

  • KSA,

    🙄 🙄 🙄

  • Comment 12, posted at 31.03.08 08:04:24 by Charlie Reply

  • Well duh!

    About time Dick.

  • Comment 13, posted at 31.03.08 08:09:25 by MorneN Reply
  • Barend,

    If you want to play with the big dogs, then you have to play like one my friend… 😉

    Anyway the proves in the pudding as they say, even if he have a descent game on Saturday I will still not be convinced, he surely has alot to do before that… 😉

  • Comment 14, posted at 31.03.08 08:14:00 by Charlie Reply

  • To me a VITAL point here for the future is Steyn’s OWN thoughts.

    He has now made it clear he wants to play 12.

    If Dick defaults him back to 15 or 10 then the Stormers (nobody else is suitable) will be smiling all the way with the prospect of buying an unhappy Steyn in the off-season

  • Comment 15, posted at 31.03.08 08:15:28 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • if Steyn cooks at 12 and we smoke the Hurricanes, I will publicly admit I was wrong. Don’t think I’m going to be… Brad will be back for the Highlanders game.

  • Comment 16, posted at 31.03.08 08:15:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • KSA – we are the Sharks… a team, not the “Frans Steyn show”. The game will always be bigger than one guy, regardless of how precociously talented he (thinks he) is

  • Comment 17, posted at 31.03.08 08:17:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • true charlie, i think that with time steyn will become the best there is, think back to when you were a young one, did your life go on a roller coaster ride like steyns?? from newbie in the sharks to WC winner in 24 months? he has done alot but must remember there is a lot more to be done and if all goes well he will only improve and grow in stature, let us wait and c time will tell

  • Comment 18, posted at 31.03.08 08:18:53 by barend Reply

  • GO THE STORMERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 19, posted at 31.03.08 08:20:50 by Dawn Reply

  • 😆 Dawn

  • Comment 20, posted at 31.03.08 08:21:29 by provincejoulekkading Reply
  • Rob,

    I said it a few weeks ago myself, rugby is a team sport, not about your own ego… 🙁

  • Comment 21, posted at 31.03.08 08:21:59 by Charlie Reply


  • Comment 22, posted at 31.03.08 08:26:36 by Dawn Reply

  • I wonder how more consistent performers in the squad, like Jacobs for instance, feel about the preferential treatment that Frans gets…

  • Comment 23, posted at 31.03.08 08:27:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • Good question.

  • Comment 24, posted at 31.03.08 08:29:57 by Dawn Reply

  • they all must wonder about the treatment he gets, adi got labled as an impact player and that is sad, but who knows think back to the mud game agains wp when the steyn factor won us the game

  • Comment 25, posted at 31.03.08 08:39:54 by barend Reply

  • Or even the preferrential treatment Barritt gets…

  • Comment 26, posted at 31.03.08 08:40:52 by MorneN Reply
  • MorneN,

    Barritt aint flashy, but at least consistant boet… 😉

  • Comment 27, posted at 31.03.08 08:50:57 by Charlie Reply

  • Barend,

    You only as good as your last match, that “mud” game was long time ago, as even poor Steyn’s WC performance as a make shift 12… 🙄

  • Comment 28, posted at 31.03.08 08:52:45 by Charlie Reply

  • guys did we lose on saturday ???

    it sure seems that way the way you guys are bitching

    ask youselves this question , and dont get this wrong i prolly like barritt as much as Rob

    has barritt ever produced the standard of play frans produced for the boks ????

    i dont believe so , thus it means with both not in great form it should go to frans as his capabillities are bigger

    me personally would shift barritt to 13 as i dont believe this thing about he aint fast enough , crap then he shouldnt be in the team

    but i believe barritt and steyn would do some serious damage in the midfield , and to be truthfull murray aint been any better

    also with ruan , you guys are acting like the bulls supporters in the sence of lets say gary botha vs john smit saga
    ruan played well on saturday and his defence was awesome , he also put the reds scrummie under huge pressure

    rory came on with fresh legs so did freddy so lets keep things in perspective???? !!!

    we also must take into account the reds have also improved and played damn well against us, their fitness is good and they played like they said they would fast

    so guys lets rather again like i have said so many times support rather then be so negative

    do we forget players read this
    ??? would you rather steyn played for another franchise ???
    the kids a genious , YOU ALL FORGET HOW YOU SUNG HIS PRAISES LAST SEASON AND FOR THE BOKS ????? or is this selective memory

  • Comment 29, posted at 31.03.08 08:55:43 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Morne

    Thanks you took the words out of my mouth.

    Barrit has been anything but good this season. he has done his job and NOTHING more. IMO a lot more is expected of a 12. Half of SA is calling for Frans Steyn to play 12 yet DM persists with the underachieving Barrit.

    And just before i get told Steyn is also underachieving this season. 😉 I agree he has been underachieving but he has been doing it OUT OF POSITION

  • Comment 30, posted at 31.03.08 08:59:36 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • and dont get this wrong i prolly like barritt as much as Rob

    Nah THAT’S impossible 😉

  • Comment 31, posted at 31.03.08 09:00:31 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • SL,

    Barritt never played for the Boks up to now… 🙄

    At least be honest, if you are not doing the job, then you have to take the punches coming your way, no matter who you are… 😉

  • Comment 32, posted at 31.03.08 09:01:35 by Charlie Reply

  • Morning…

    What would a day in Sharksworld be without yet another Steyn discussion? :mrgreen: Hope the Sharkies haven’t been divided to big-Steyn-fans and not-soo-big-Steyn-fans. Would hate for people to hope that Steyn has a bad game at 12 just to prove themsleves right. But I know we don’t have stupid people in here…so I shouldn’t worry.

    To sound like radical Liverpool fans when they shout In Rafa We Trust…let me say In Muir We Trust! I think him not playing Steyn at 12 was his secret weapon for when we go on tour. Go SHARKIES…we’ll have to be on fire to beat the Canes . Go Sharks…

  • Comment 33, posted at 31.03.08 09:03:53 by blackshark Reply

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  • Barritt never played for the Boks up to now…

    31.03.08 09:01:35 – Charlie Edit

    And he probably will not play for the Boks.
    He is about 4th maybe even 5th in the pecking order and it will take a catastrophe at 12 before he get’s a call IMO.

    Steyn, JdV, Adi, Julies and at a Push i would play J Fourie before I play Barrit.

  • Comment 34, posted at 31.03.08 09:07:47 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Charlie,

    Consistently average mate!!! 😆

    I like Barritt but after what, 3 seasons now I expected him to step up in a big way, he has not.

    Yes dont expect Steyn to slot in at 12 (when it happens) and do miracles!!! It is impossible, but we know what Steyn can do at 12 if played there as the World Cup showed. We also know what Barritt did in the last 3 or so seasons and although never kak, not that flash either. Comparing that leaves me without a doubt that Steyn should get a decent, 4 game run at 12.

    Murray to me has been the biggest disappointment however. I really rated him last year but why the hell does he continually run across the field now? He has great strength, great speed and very good hands, why has he stopped playing like the classy 13 of last year and read JP Nel’s book on how NOT to play 13?

    Try Barritt at 13 then but that also might be unfair to the lad.

    Personally Adi will get my vote with Murray and Barritt getting a bit of a break and maybe lighting a fuse up their arses to come back and perform.

    Give Steyn and Adi a go and play Barritt and Murray off the bench for a while – maybe that will wake them up and we can judge realistically if Steyn deserves the number 12 jersey or if he is overhyped like much of the World Cup Boks.

  • Comment 35, posted at 31.03.08 09:14:03 by MorneN Reply
  • or if he is overhyped like much of the World Cup Boks.

    31.03.08 09:14:03 – MorneN

    That’s a strong statement there…I assume it means most of the WC Boks are over-hyped. Would you care to give the names?

  • Comment 36, posted at 31.03.08 09:18:50 by blackshark Reply

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  • fact is we starting to slaughter our players like bulls supporters and they aint even lost a game ????????????

  • Comment 37, posted at 31.03.08 09:22:01 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • charlie read what i said mate ????

    i repeat this just for you ??
    has bradley ever reached that standard of inside center play steyn had during the world cup ???

    take into account both are not in good form and nor is murray

    if the answer is no then its clear steyn must play , also because of his versatillity and huge boot it makes it clear steyn should play

    maybe it should be murray or barritt we choose between ??

    before i would have said put odwa on bench and play murray on wing but after saturday where odwa was brilliant i doubt that now

  • Comment 38, posted at 31.03.08 09:25:32 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • fact is we starting to slaughter our players like bulls supporters and they aint even lost a game ????????????

    31.03.08 09:22:01 – sharks_lover

    And aint that sad…? 🙁 All this obsession with the bonus points and comparing ourselves with the Crusaders. This aint SUPERBRU…this is Super 14 rugby… 😆

  • Comment 39, posted at 31.03.08 09:25:41 by blackshark Reply

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  • a classic example of where a coach knows what he has in a player is john smit and jake white

    yes most supporters and even sharks supporters were running JS down ???

    AND NOW ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????

  • Comment 40, posted at 31.03.08 09:26:44 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • BS,

    It has more to do with a real lack of commitment and/or intent shown by many of the supposed senior guys that achieved WC glory.

    I can go down the list easily;

    Guys that are not performing:

    Bakkies (better this last weekend)
    Steyn (KSA mentioned he is being played out of position)
    Pienaar (injured for a while so maybe harsh)
    Jean (last two games were good only)
    Habs (last game was the old Habs only)
    JP (Average and not the JP of last year)
    Fourie du Preez is trying but not succeeding currently

    Now compare this to younger guys who has come through.

    JW Jonker, the only 13 seemingly wanting to run straight or straigten a line

    Brussow, together with Daniel and Baywatch our form loosies at the moment, and even perhaps Luke.

    Kockott, with Jano the best 9’s we hae had this year.

    Heinke, Mujati and Beast, outshining all comers or pretenders.

    Grant, he is all we have…

    Walter Venter from the Lions

    Ludik, Benjamin, Nokwe, and I can carry on.

    These so-called senior guys ‘execpts’ to be selected because of reputation or past achievements, yet they are outplayed locally by some relatively unknowns. I always had no problem dropping any player, and I have done it before – and its something specifically at the Bulls I would lay down.

    Some heads needs to be treated for some abnormal swelling, and some ego’s need to be brought back in check.

  • Comment 41, posted at 31.03.08 09:27:27 by MorneN Reply
  • lol blackshark mate , how ru doing ???
    hope ur doing well

  • Comment 42, posted at 31.03.08 09:28:05 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Well done Muir….a bit late but welcome to a realisation that some of us have been calling for a looking time.

    I do however feel for Adi and despite all the labelling of him as an impact player, believe that he has earned the right to have a Super 14 start at some stage this season.

  • Comment 43, posted at 31.03.08 09:31:46 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • Is this a Sharks brawl??

  • Comment 44, posted at 31.03.08 09:32:17 by Dawn Reply

  • senior guys ‘execpts’ to be selected

    Should read expect…


    It is not so much being unhappy and you have not lost a game, but it is the same in the sense on how you win, and how you lose.

    If you get smashed like the Bulls did it is not acceptable, but if you lose in a well contested match like the Blues it is better to bear knowing you can work on small things to correct some mistakes still – there is hope.

    The Sharks have won yes, but given the talent and potential of this team they should have been right up there with the Crusaders or mentioned in the same league – they are not.

    Here is a question.

    You are going on tour now. Do you expect Dick to field his strongest possible side to go klap the Saders at home, or do you think he will use that game to rest some ‘senior’ guys and give younger or second stringers a crack?

    The answers to that I think will be interesting.

  • Comment 45, posted at 31.03.08 09:32:18 by MorneN Reply
  • So are we just creating another position for Steyn to kick the ball away, and we try to blame Murray for not passing the ball – hell he aint getting that much from the inside backs, no wonder, this will also not change with Steyn @ 12…Steyn also needs a break to get his bearings sorted out… 🙄

  • Comment 46, posted at 31.03.08 09:33:52 by Charlie Reply

  • “I” think Dick will go out to klap them. For the simple reason that i believe THAt game will in all probability determine top spot on the log.

    I also think the reason the Sharks (we) are “bickering” 😉 like a bunch of women amongst ourselves is because of the high expectations we have of our team and they are not delivering.

  • Comment 47, posted at 31.03.08 09:36:34 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • KSA,

    I will wait for that game and hope you are right, but I wont be surprised if it goes the other way…

  • Comment 48, posted at 31.03.08 09:39:08 by MorneN Reply
  • Morne – basically the BULLS :mrgreen: and we all know they have major problems. But that said they played their guts out in the WC.

    The fact that some young players are coming up is only natural…otherwise what country would we be if we only relied on the squad that won the WC? The Sharks and the Bulls played in the Super 14 final and the WC final…I think that’s HYPE well-earned my friend…

    Some of those players have lost their form and other are struggling with or recovering from injuries as you mentioned…but I wouldn’t exactly call them overhyped…because at that time that hype was based on the truth.

  • Comment 49, posted at 31.03.08 09:39:43 by blackshark Reply

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  • the answer is plain ans simple

    let dick choose the side , he is afterall more experienced then us

    its our job to support not continously knock players , i repeat i know some of the players and i know they read A lot of the shit we type

    to answer you question , you always field ur strongest side to win
    even though you and me might not think thats the strongest side

    if i should you the back line for the sharks i would play you would be shocked
    but i am not dick muir and i dont have his experience

    what i always will do is support him and the sharks
    if they were losing all the time id still support the sharks , but then i might vent my anger like some on here

    Fs is the nest 12 potentially in this country , thus its fact HE SHOULD PLAY

  • Comment 50, posted at 31.03.08 09:40:52 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • nest = best :mrgreen:

  • Comment 51, posted at 31.03.08 09:42:10 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • 31.03.08 09:39:08 – MorneN

    I would be very surprised, the Sharks are top contenders and see themselves as that and just like the Crusaders wouldn’t come to Kings Park and think about anything but a win, so the Sharks will have the same attitude down there.

    The Sharks don’t think like that ….other SA franchises do 😉

  • Comment 52, posted at 31.03.08 09:42:23 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • At the time yes, but rugby, like time, waits for no-one BS.

    They were great last year, they are crap this year. The difference between great champions and very good players are that champions perform week in and week out.

    The difference between the Sharks and Crusaders is also, that simple, the one plays like a champion, the other like a really good team.

    Champions are remembered, very good players get their surnames, years they played and for who they played mixed up at braai’s where we discuss and debate the game.

    SA has many really good players, we have very few champions.

  • Comment 53, posted at 31.03.08 09:44:07 by MorneN Reply
  • DP,

    Again I hope you are right, but I will play the wait and see game personally.

  • Comment 54, posted at 31.03.08 09:45:56 by MorneN Reply
  • lol dawn no brawl lol

    just stating that we being to negative

    we unbeatin and thats a fact

    i am sure we all agree in here the sharks need to lift their game , and infact if anyone is responsible for steyn playing where he has ?? its DM

    ruan is a good example
    in the world cup he was used out of position , true??????????

    is he still as good a scrummy as he was ??? NO
    he is getting better but not there yet

    so we blamming the wrong person is what i am saying

  • Comment 55, posted at 31.03.08 09:46:53 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • KSA ????????????? i sent you a nice article bro ??? dessert heat getting to you ???

  • Comment 56, posted at 31.03.08 09:48:20 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Reminds me of an old thing Ian Mac said.

    The difference between my team and your (supporters) team is that mine actually has to go out and play on the weekend…

    Never a more true word spoken…

  • Comment 57, posted at 31.03.08 09:48:37 by MorneN Reply
  • I said this yesterday.

    Actually it would be SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO funny if (when) Dick finally get’s his contract sorted with SARU and he then plays Steyn at 12 for the Boks.

    30.03.08 10:45:01 – KSA Shark ©

    In all seriousness I WOULD love to know how he will handle the situation when it happens?

  • Comment 58, posted at 31.03.08 09:48:55 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Hey, you guys are all arguing, but noone has said ‘fokjouekloopnou’ yet! 🙂

  • Comment 59, posted at 31.03.08 09:49:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • SL

    No email from you in DAYS mate. 😉 when did you send?

  • Comment 60, posted at 31.03.08 09:49:39 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • fokjouekloopnou!

    No serious, I am off till later – cheers.

  • Comment 61, posted at 31.03.08 09:50:31 by MorneN Reply
  • the other questio0n we must ask ourselves is this

    when we won the world cups ?? did we win it with attach or defence ???

    who is the best defensively in the super 14 ??
    it might not be the attractive way of winning , but hey we all sang and danced in victory not so ??>

  • Comment 62, posted at 31.03.08 09:51:15 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Morne (or anyone who knows)

    Have the Sharks done the “2nd string” side thing for any of their matches before?

    I know there was an outcry a season or six ago but cannot recall who it was.

  • Comment 63, posted at 31.03.08 09:51:41 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Ghost10
    I’ve also got this funny feeling that Dick Muir doesn’t want to play all his cards just yet in this tournament, and that he knows that Steyn’s best position is 12, so he’s gonna switch him there with a few games to go in the round robin…

    Mar 26, 10:35 AM — [ ] — Bok job won’t hurt Sharks


  • Comment 64, posted at 31.03.08 09:52:01 by Ghost10 Reply

  • 30 min ago KSA?

  • Comment 65, posted at 31.03.08 09:53:57 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Against the Chiefs last year they employed what they called their ‘rotation’ policy if memory serves.

    They got klapped if I remember correctly now with Steyn playing 10…

    This one week after they beat the Blues in Auckland…

    Some hardened Sharks guys will correct me if I am wrong but I remember something like this.

  • Comment 66, posted at 31.03.08 09:54:30 by MorneN Reply
  • The Stormers were the first team to do that “2nd string” thing in the S14, KSA… I think they ended up in the semis that year.

    But if u do that and lost the game, it removes the momentum u’ve gained so far, and once you lose that winning mentality, it’s normally downhill from there.

  • Comment 67, posted at 31.03.08 09:55:31 by Ghost10 Reply

  • ok sent it again

  • Comment 68, posted at 31.03.08 09:56:09 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • to me you should play your best side and keep the momentum going

    it also makes sure the belief of the players in each other stays strong

  • Comment 69, posted at 31.03.08 09:57:50 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Saders may play like Champions but they are not the champions yet…

    The Super14 isn’t won in March. And while I’m still on that I’ll be the first one to say that SEMI-FINAL spots are not guaranteed in March either…so we really need to pick up our socks if we want to progress to the next stage. This weekend will give us a good idea of what the rest of the tour will be like. The results that the Stormers have been getting are very encouraging…so we just need to go out there with the confidence of an unbeaten side instead of labelling ourselves as a side that doesn’t get bonus points.

  • Comment 70, posted at 31.03.08 09:58:50 by blackshark Reply

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  • damn BS from ezikaweni lol well said 😆

  • Comment 71, posted at 31.03.08 10:00:41 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • SL

    Got it now, will put it up in a minute or 3.

  • Comment 72, posted at 31.03.08 10:01:03 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • SL…lol @ ezikaweni…can’t remember the last time I went anywhere close to ZULULAND…

  • Comment 73, posted at 31.03.08 10:05:04 by blackshark Reply

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  • Couldn’t agree more, SL… nothing worse than sending out a 2nd string side when ur winning coz all it effectively says is that these players are not good enough to get a game any other way. In a one squad system, u should be working on the principle that all the players are equal.

    I don’t think that Dick Muir will do it again this year though.

  • Comment 74, posted at 31.03.08 10:06:36 by Ghost10 Reply


    Spent 18 months in Jozini. 😎

  • Comment 75, posted at 31.03.08 10:06:47 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • True, Blackshark… and if the Blues continue to play like they have been, they are going to play themselves out of a semifinal spot. They were very lucky that both the Stormers and Bulls couldn’t close the game out against them.

    Got a feeling the semi spots are gonna end up something like this, with the Force and Chiefs just finishing outside:
    1. Crusaders
    2. Hurricanes
    3. Stormers
    4. Sharks

  • Comment 76, posted at 31.03.08 10:15:47 by Ghost10 Reply

  • 31.03.08 09:54:30 – MorneN

    The Sharks hardly played a 2nd string team in match against the Chiefs in 2007 when they lost:

    Sharks: 15 Percy Montgomery, 14 Odwa Ndungane, 13 Waylon Murray, 12 Bradley Barritt, 11 JP Pietersen, 10 Francois Steyn, 9 Ruan Pienaar, 8 Bob Skinstad, 7 AJ Venter, 6 Jacques Botes, 5 Johann Muller, 4 Johan Ackermann, 3 BJ Botha, 2 John Smit (c), 1 Deon Carstens
    Replacements: 16 Bismarck du Plessis, 17 Beast Mtawarira, 18 Albert van den Berg, 19 Warren Britz, 20 Ryan Kankowski/Butch James, 21 Rory Kockott, 22 Adrian Jacobs

    The only player out of the norm was Mr Steyn at 10……and we all know how he can disrupt a backline in the (more) pivotal position of 10, if he is off form.

  • Comment 77, posted at 31.03.08 10:20:01 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • I think

    1. Crusaders
    2. Sharks
    3. Blues
    4. Stormers

  • Comment 78, posted at 31.03.08 10:35:58 by blackshark Reply

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  • i agree with most of Blackshark and Sharklovers comments… and whatever Dick’s choices end up being, i’ll support them.
    I cant imagine that the Sharks wont go for a win against Crusaders, seems to me this team believes in themselves and believe they can beat anybody… i know i believe they can, lets see what happens this week in Wellington

  • Comment 79, posted at 31.03.08 10:42:19 by spykerbaard Reply

  • Wins against the Reds, Chiefs and Force and the Stormers are in the semis 😯

  • Comment 80, posted at 31.03.08 10:51:00 by Kal-El Reply

  • You forgot to say COMFORTABLE AWAY wins with BONUS POINTS against the Reds, Chiefs, and Force, Kal-El… 😉

  • Comment 81, posted at 31.03.08 10:57:38 by Ghost10 Reply

  • and looking at the remaining games…I think the Stormers are poised to do better than the Canes…and the other contenders…

  • Comment 82, posted at 31.03.08 11:11:52 by blackshark Reply

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  • Haha, you guys are funny 😀

    First off: despite being a big ‘Frans Steyn at 10’ fan, I can no longer deny that right now he just doesn’t have the goods and that any further attempts to play him at 10 during these last few games would be a mistake.

    Second, whilst I understand a lot of the sentiment that Sharks_Lover and Blackshark are trying to get across, you guys also need to be realistic: all really enthusiastic supporters of any sport display an interesting duality – scathing criticism at the same time as unwavering support. The two are not mutually exclusive.

    Why compare the Sharks to the Crusaders, or any other ‘benchmark’ team out there? Two big reasons.

    1) The Sharks have the players and the experience to be the best of the best, no doubt. Why should we expect any less?

    2) The Crusaders have set the bar for years, and I for one am tired of watching Super Rugby seasons where one or two SA teams barely manage to scrape through. I’d like to see the SA teams setting the bar for once, and it’s immensely frustrating when the side performs inconsistently.

    The fact that we won the World Cup has only increased expectations from fans. For the WC winning nation to generally fare so poorly at S14 level feels odd and deserves criticism.

    Yes, we’ve won our games. Despite dropping the ball constantly. Despite getting our attacking movements right in arguably 1 of the 6 games so far (Blues). Come on guys, these are school-boy mistakes. Yes our defense is solid, and thank the maker for that because without it we wouldn’t be sitting up there on the log. We can’t expect to defend our way to the title.

    Anyhow, I think that the primary point I’d like to go back to is that being critical shouldn’t imply that our support is wavering. I think we’re all keener that ever to watch the guys play, to wave our flags, to buy Sharks merchandise (I’m a sucker in that regard :)). But hell I expect more from these guys than the same school-boy errors week after week and I feel that as a fan who feels good about putting his replica Sharks jersey on every weekend I’m entitled to be pretty underwhelmed by their performance so far.

    Rest assured that it’s not going to stop me cheering for them.

  • Comment 83, posted at 31.03.08 12:11:15 by Waz Reply

  • That’s my boy! 😉

    He even thinks like me. 😀

  • Comment 84, posted at 31.03.08 12:33:01 by Nessa Reply

  • Well said Waz.

    We moan becasue we set high standards. Neither of those is a bad thing.

    Sharks will rock on tour.

  • Comment 85, posted at 31.03.08 12:47:06 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • The Cheetahs just need a bonuspoint in each of their remaining matches to reach 12 points 😳

  • Comment 86, posted at 31.03.08 12:58:58 by Kal-El Reply

  • no need to get ahead of themselves or down on themselves either.
    the reds are a very good side this year and the sharks victory was a very close run thing.
    the importnat thing is that they won … 6 from 6, they are now in the lucky positions that they can even drop a couple of games on tour and still be in the semis.

  • Comment 87, posted at 31.03.08 13:11:33 by cab Reply

  • Cab

    we tasted a home Semi and final last year and now that is the benchmark.

    had we not done so well last season we would not be setting nearly as a high a standard as we are.

    The Sharks will do well on tour I think.

  • Comment 88, posted at 31.03.08 13:14:22 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • KSA,
    yes, but I agree and for me the sharks were the best side of the tournament last year.
    But this year the Abs are back and the Crusaders are a terrific side. That said, the one side that can beat them are the sharks. They do the basics very well, dont give up, have alot of depth and are very balanced.
    Not sure what the scedule is, but the Saders, Canes and Tahs away from home, not easy.

  • Comment 89, posted at 31.03.08 13:22:47 by cab Reply

  • funny thing is frans initially stated that he only wanted to play at flyhalf. he changed his tune after the world cup, although he broadened his scope to flyhalf or inside centre. now that he has proven to be shite at flyhalf now suddenly inside centre is his preferred position. when he is shite at inside centre what position will he then choose. if the guy can’t make up his mind off the field, he obviously won’t be able to make up his mind when he is on the field. and this explains why he kicks valuable ball away. i think dick should rather let frans make up his mind off the field for a couple of weeks.

  • Comment 90, posted at 31.03.08 13:27:56 by try time Reply

  • yoh u okes are harsh, steyn tackles like a demon and always gets over the advantage lines, great player for his exuberance alone. his obvious position is 12 with his step and size, but barrritt has been playing well there, fine defensive efffort again, textbook tackles…latham should get cited (or a klap) after that elbow follow thru.

  • Comment 91, posted at 31.03.08 13:32:09 by cab Reply

  • Cab

    Carter and Brett are both out for the Saders. Brett expected back for week 11. the week before we play them.

    They have
    Blues (Brett expected back)
    VERY lucky to have a Bye and two easier games while both their halves are out.

    We have

    Not an easy schedule. The Highlanders brumbies are two games to be targeted but the brumbies also have mortlock back this week so their game will step up a gear.

    It seems the schedule is slightly in the Saders’ favour at the moment.

  • Comment 92, posted at 31.03.08 13:39:19 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Heh, not harsh cab. 😎

    Steyn has plenty of great qualities. But he has made some really silly mistakes, especially with his kicking, and those things should be coming right by now. He is very young, but he’s also a veteran of S14 and WC final rugby and he needs some street smarts to go along with that exuberance.

  • Comment 93, posted at 31.03.08 13:43:54 by Waz Reply

  • Sheez I knew brad was Rob’s love child, but didn’t realise TT was the mother. 😉

  • Comment 94, posted at 31.03.08 13:44:39 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • 31.03.08 13:39:19 – KSA Shark ©

    “It seems the schedule is slightly in the Saders’ favour at the moment.”

    As in “he was slighty dead”….

    If one of the Kiwi teams had the Sharks overseas tour schedule they would be bleating louder then their girlfriends….I mean sheep.

  • Comment 95, posted at 31.03.08 13:47:42 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • DP

    How true is that.

    During the Saders tour of SA one of the Kiwi commentators were saying about the “tough 3 week tour” that the Kiwi’s had to endure. I almost fell of my chair.

    THREE WEEKS!!!!!!!!!!! Which Saffa team wouldn’t LOVE that schedule.

    Which saffa team would n’t love to only fly to Aus or NZ the day before the match and back home the day after.

  • Comment 96, posted at 31.03.08 13:52:49 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • The funny thing is no-one is expecting anyone to be a blind supporter here. I really don’t think any sane person would be against the critisism of the team (esp. if it’s constructive). I certainly wouldn’t regard anyone as less of a fan for pointing out the OBVIOUS weaknesses of the team that we love.

    Say I’m walkin down the street with my Sharks merchandise on and someone asks me “What is this Sharks thing you’re wearing?” I’d say…”The Sharks are a rugby team that I support…and we have won all our games in this year’s Super 14.” Judging by what I’ve read in newspapers…and some sites…some people would prefer that I say…”The Sharks are a rugby team that I support …and we failed to get bonus points against the Reds and Lions etc.” Sorry…but I think the first one deserves to be emphasised.

    It’s boring and predictable now that after every game we play…people don’t even bother to point out the good stuff that we did and all we have to read about is “the elusive 4th try”. Yes! We should be scoring more…yes we’ve “dropped the ball”…yes we should be kicking less…but can we talk about other things as well? Like Odwa’s try…like Stefan’s try…like the phenomenon that is BISMARCK DU PLESSIS. like the future that is RORY KOCKOTT…

  • Comment 97, posted at 31.03.08 14:47:22 by blackshark Reply

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  • Good point BS and I will take that to heart.

  • Comment 98, posted at 31.03.08 14:50:03 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Furry muff BS. 🙂 Unfortunately bad news is often more popular than good (anyone read a newspaper lately?) and of course it’s the easiest thing in the world to criticise and pass judgement. Problem is that when an issue refuses to go away, whether it’s the SA crime rate or the fact that our no. 8 hasn’t held onto a ball yet this season (:D), people are going to bang on about it until it goes away.

    That said, when the guys put on a good show you see plenty of commentary about what was done well. Even this week, I DID see people mentioning Rory (in fact I see it every week) and Bismarck has enough support that the sheer mention of Craig Burden starting a game is sure to draw fire.

    To move along with your analogy: these days when you walk down the street clad in the aforementioned Sharks kit, people KNOW whose jersey you’re wearing. The Sharks have done plenty to establish themselves in the hearts and minds of the rugby public. In JHB these days, I see more Sharks jerseys on the weekend than ever before.

    With the increase in support and a broadening of their fan base, the Sharks should not be too surprised at the concomitant increase in pressure to perform.

  • Comment 99, posted at 31.03.08 15:15:06 by Waz Reply

  • blackshark, i have been very praising of the sharks in the past. but they don’t seem to be understanding the effect the dropping of bonus points is doing to their chances of winning the s14. currently we look like we will get a home semi, but no home semi, as even if we beat the crusaders and win all 13 games we will still be in second place. meaning we have a lovely home semi and will still have to fly over to canterbury to meet our fate. so i feel it is right we moan about the stupidity certain players keep showing, because no sa team has managed to fly over and win a playoff game. meaning we as sharks supporters will bear the burden of being supporters of the chokers.

  • Comment 100, posted at 31.03.08 15:45:06 by try time Reply

  • sorry “no home final”.

  • Comment 101, posted at 31.03.08 15:45:54 by try time Reply

  • The Sharks backline will be a lot better with Freddie and Steyn next to each other…

    But you still have to do something with Murray/Odaw/JPP….

    Unfortunate for Barrit as he has been one of the better players in te Sharks backline (not that that is anything to go by)…

  • Comment 102, posted at 31.03.08 22:31:40 by Hmmm Reply

  • But you need Terblan h in the side as he is the only Sharks backline player that runs with urgency….ok and Kockett and Freddie…

  • Comment 103, posted at 31.03.08 22:32:53 by Hmmm Reply

  • Muir also felt that the second half revival had less to do with the introduction of Frederic Michalak and the shift of flyhalf Frans Steyn to centre, and more to do with the team’s first half performance while Frans was at 10. “We know he’s a talent and that there is still a bit of work to do with him, but as a team we didn’t perform well, so you can’t lay the blame on one individual.

  • Comment 104, posted at 01.04.08 06:46:11 by barend Reply

  • Barend,

    So Fransie is just another rugby player…Great players stand out even if the team are not doing well, BTW Steyn aint a team player, to much of a individual trying to satisfy his own ego… 🙄

  • Comment 105, posted at 01.04.08 07:47:58 by Charlie Reply


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