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Boks cull the Welsh Dragons

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Posted in :In the news, Springboks on 7 Jun 2008 at 19:28
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South Africa eased past Wales in their opening international of the season, with the Springboks recording an impressive 43-17 victory over the Welsh Dragons in Bloemfontein on Saturday.

Rugby 365 reports that the four tries to two win saw the Boks retain their No.1 ranking on the International Rugby Board (IRB) standings.

It was a strange Test match. The day was sunny, and there are many, many Tests played in gloom or worse. The construction site at Vodacom Park in Bloemfontein had none of the sophistication one associates with Test venues. And the crowd was small.

In the Super 14, there were crowds of over 40 000 at Newlands, Loftus Versfeld, Absa Stadium in Durban and even Ellis Park and here there was a meagre sprinkling of people for Test match, a crowd boosted by many cheerful visitors from Wales. It was a strange Test match.

The two countries arrived with labels – World Champions and Six Nations Champions. A South African team won the World Cup and a Welsh team won the Six Nations. But neither of those teams was in action in Bloemfontein. The countries were the same, the teams not. South Africa started with five players from the World Cup Final – one third.

Wales’s avowed intent in going into this match was to win respect. There was not a lot to respect in their shabby performance.

They were better in the first half, which they lost 22-12. They were heavier and scrummed better. They won a majority of possession but apart from their try they did little with it. Their handling was really poor.

In that half, an itsy-bitsy patchwork of not much artistic merit, the Springboks were clearly the better side. Their scrums started poorly with a penalty and two free kicks against them but they got better. Perhaps the sunshine and the altitude combined to sap Wales’s strength as Delilah once did Samson’s.

The second half went better for South Africa, at least for the first 20 minutes of the half, after which they gave all of their squad a chance to enjoy beating Wales. One of the substitutions was odd. Adi Jacobs, a centre, limped off injured. On came Percy Montgomery, a fullback, while Peter Grant, a centre-flyhalf, stayed seated on the bench.

The game certainly petered out in the last 20 minutes. The worst symptom of the degeneration was the use of an uncontested scrum for the Springboks, five metres from the Welsh line. How feeble is that!

All of that said, Wales did provide the game’s golden moment and a bit of impish cheek. Earlier in the game they had created space for Shane Williams but the pass to him was forward. This time replacement Morgan Stoddard sent him away and into almost empty acres. He raced away from Montgomery and as Bryan Habana sped across in cover in the absence from duty of Conrad Jantjes Williams, used Habana’s speed against him and skated on a smooth bowbend inside Habana and again away from Montgomery to sucrose at the posts, stopping briefly to shade his eyes as the he look into the distance for Habana!

John Smit was allowed to go out alone onto the field for the Springboks in this his 50th Test as captain, and he had a great performance, the calm hand on the tiller of the team and playing so well. He is the best hooker the Springbok coach has at his disposal and obviously the best hooker.

Butch James kicked off for South Africa and kicked magnificently all afternoon. The first four Springbok scores were James penalty goals. Jonathan Thomas conceded the first at a tackle, Ryan Jones the second when he was off-side, Ian Gough the third when he blundered clumsily into the side of a tackle and Shanklin the fourth, also at a tackle.

There were questions about the effect of the recent IRB injunction to police the tackle severely. This seemed to have a greater impact on the Welsh side, who were used to the “old Laws” than on the Springboks who were coming back from the experimental law variations. The penalties at the tackle went 8-3 against Wales. (The IRB may well have to issue a decree about refereeing the high tackle according to the Laws of the Game.)

The first penalty against South Africa at the tackle was against Jean de Villiers, and Stephen Jones goaled to make the score 6-3 after 14 minutes.

The first Springbok try was a sweet one. Andries Bekker won a Welsh throw into a line-out. The ball went wide and came back again. Luke Watson, Smit, Jacobs and Jantjes were involved before Jantjes scored. The interplay between him and Jacobs was exquisite – Conradie to Jantjes to Jacobs on his left and then to Jantjes cutting back on his left for a try which Jacobs could have scored himself. James, inevitably, converted. 19-3 after 30 minutes.

Wales then had a few good moments, starting with a break by Stephen Jones as he got away from Pierre Spies.

Then came an erratic up-and-under by Jantjes at which Tonderai Chavhanga was penalised for being off-side. Wales tapped and ran. Sonny Parker burst free of Jantjes and Chavhanga and sent Jamie Roberts triumphantly over in the corner. From touch Stephen Jones converted, 19-10 after 38 minutes.

But the Welsh dawn was a short day and another penalty coin ceded by Ryan Jones brought the score to 22-10 at the break.

South Africa again hit the half running. A clever pass from Juan Smith to Spies saw the No.8 running strongly but well tackled by Lawrence. Jacobs went streaking away on a break off a clever pass by De Villiers but Roberts made the tackle. That was two try-saving tackles in minutes by the young fullback.

Wales mauled off a defensive scrum but Smit ripped the ball free and ran to his left, sending a perfect pass to De Villiers who raced ahead. Knocked down but no held he got up and plunged over with help from Jacobs. 29-10 after 48 minutes.

Watson forced a breach close to a tackle/ruck and set Bolla Conradie racing down the midfield. He swept past Stoddard and when tackled popped the ball to Spies who scored near the posts. 36-10 after 56 minutes.

The threatened hammering did not happen as play became desultory except for that brilliant, sparkling gem of a try by Shane Williams, 36-17.

The Springboks had a good chance with as James gave to Habana and then produced a long-range try. Smith fielded James Hook’s long kick well inside the Springboks half and threw in quickly from touch to Ruan Pienaar who started running. He gave to Habana and then the ball came back left with a short quick pass to Montgomery on the burst and the 95-cap veteran burst past Stoddard for a try in the left corner, which James converted.

Habana was over but the TMO ruled that he had not grounded the ball. In the action leading up to it, a rare Springbok maul CJ van der Linde Richard Hibbard had fallen out of love and were sent off to the sin bin, where they ended their game.

Habana had not had many opportunities, well though he played. The Springboks have who known speedsters on the wings – Habana and Chavhanga. Not once did they create space for either though the Welsh managed to do it twice for Williams.

Man of the Match: The most obvious candidates are Butch James, John Smit and Juan Smith. Resisting the sentimental, we declare Juan Smith the Man of the Match – for what he achieves in line-outs, in tackling, in carrying the ball, in nonstop action.

Moment of the Match: Shane Williams’s try.

Villain of the Match: CJ van der Linde and Richard Hibbard. Their childish tussle was made worse because it was so out of character with the rest of the match.

The scorers:

For South Africa:
Tries: Jantjes, De Villiers, Spies, Montgomery
Cons: James 4
Pens: James 5

For Wales:
Tries: Roberts, Williams
Cons: S Jones 2
Pen: S Jones

Yellow card: CJ van der Linde (South Africa, 75 – foul play, punching), Richard Hibbard (Wales, 75 – foul play)

The teams:

Springboks: 15 Conrad Jantjes, 14 Tonderai Chavhanga, 13 Adrian Jacobs, 12 Jean de Villiers, 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Butch James, 9 Bolla Conradie, 8 Pierre Spies, 7 Juan Smith, 6 Luke Watson, 5 Andries Bekker, 4 Bakkies Botha, 3 Brian Mujati, 2 John Smit (captain), 1 GΓΌrthro Steenkamp.
Replacements: 16 Bismarck du Plessis, 17 CJ van der Linde, 18 Victor Matfield, 19 Danie Rossouw, 20 Ruan Pienaar, 21 Peter Grant, 22 Percy Montgomery.

Wales: 15 Jamie Roberts, 14 Mark Jones, 13 Tom Shanklin, 12 Sonny Parker, 11 Shane Williams, 10 Stephen Jones, 9 Gareth Cooper, 8 Ryan Jones (captain), 7 Dafydd Jones, 6 Jonathan Thomas, 5 Alun-Wyn Jones, 4 Ian Gough, 3 Gethin Jenkins, 2 Matthew Rees, 1 Adam Jones
Replacements: 16 Richard Hibbard, 17 Duncan Jones, 18 Ian Evans, 19 Gareth Delve, 20 Warren Fury, 21 James Hook, 22 Morgan Stoddard

Referee: Dave Pearson (England)
Touch judges: Lyndon Bray (New Zealand), Stuart Terheege (England)
TMO: Graham Hughes (England)


  • Hmmm, not a very impressive match report.

    Not sure what this means either:
    “He is the best hooker the Springbok coach has at his disposal and obviously the best hooker.”

    Jantjies and Chavanga were not that good in my opinion, while Jacobs was superb.

  • Comment 1, posted at 07.06.08 20:12:45 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Jantjies and Chavanga were to balme for the first Welsh try. Second try, I think percey had the dude covered, but Jantjes came in to make the tackle & Williams was away. But that’s nit picking. Overall a good warm up match & chance for new guys to play together.

  • Comment 2, posted at 07.06.08 20:43:20 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

  • And this Welsh team was hardly top quality.

  • Comment 3, posted at 07.06.08 20:43:48 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

  • More of a dragon slaying for me… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 4, posted at 07.06.08 20:49:00 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

  • The Welsh Hobbit’s try was firstly cos Chavanga made a really dumb decision to come in to tackle a man that de Villiers had totally covered, as well as Jantjies leaving the last line of defence.

    I agree – a scrappy game against a rubbish side (on the day).

    As an aside, Guthro was soft in the scrums, and only PDV knows how he could choose Spies over Kanko.

    Not in despair, but certainly nothing to to get excited about.

    Oh, and I must say that Bolla was miles better than I expected!

  • Comment 5, posted at 07.06.08 21:03:53 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Both props need to go, as does Spies. I’m guite happy to leave the backline as is, but chav needs to work on defence.. Maybe bringing Percy in would also make sense. Bolla deserves another start. Ricky on the bench

  • Comment 6, posted at 07.06.08 22:00:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • Only reason you would leave the backline alone is cos you dont give a fig about backs.

    Maybe Jantjies and Chavanga just need to settle, but you better believe that the Sheep-Shaggers and Convicts would exploit them big time if they don’t tighten up.

    What stuck out for me with Adi’s superb game was his creativity and unselfishness – you never see that when Frans plays. I really hope both he and Waylon were watching.

  • Comment 7, posted at 07.06.08 22:16:21 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 7) : Backs? We need them? Why?

  • Comment 8, posted at 07.06.08 22:21:32 by robdylan Reply
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  • Welsh were at best… a disgrace…

    Mujati, Steenkamp and Spies were shown up for what they are… NOT test players…

    Adi, Luke, Bolla had a good game… kudos… but these guys will still get murdered by the Aussie’s and Kiwi’s…

    Great atmosphere in the end too… all things considered… bring back Hugh Bladen…

    All in all… good start for Snor and RWC’s… next game should be a 50 pointer…

  • Comment 9, posted at 08.06.08 04:32:20 by bryce_in_oz Reply

  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 9) : So I’m not the only one who was singularly unimpressed with Spies?

    Bring in Beast, Bj and Kanko for next week.

  • Comment 10, posted at 08.06.08 09:09:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • My feelings are fairly neutral regarding Spies, he was off for a very long time with his ‘injury’ and will probably take a while to get back to his ‘natural’ best.

    However Kanko is the best 8th man in SA by far. So he’ll should be first choice.

    Watson did play well & I’m happy for him, but Burger is 1st choice.

    So best loose forwards combo imho should be Burger, Smith & Kanko.

  • Comment 11, posted at 08.06.08 09:35:07 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 11) : Best combo in the world, mate

  • Comment 12, posted at 08.06.08 09:59:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • Spies is a blindisde, not an 8th man.

    Kanko is as strong and quick, but his skills and vision are of the Bob Skinstad variety.

    Watson had a superb game – he won some respect from me.

  • Comment 13, posted at 08.06.08 10:18:42 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 13) : Spies is a lock. He’s not quick enough to play loose forward 😈

  • Comment 14, posted at 08.06.08 10:23:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • Lets not get carried away now Rob!

    The boy is an (ahem) natural athlete. 😳

    Big and quick he is, but thats not enough to be a good 8th man.

    Just like Chavanga being really quick won’t be enough if he remains so weak in contact and tactically naive.

  • Comment 15, posted at 08.06.08 10:28:55 by Big Fish Reply
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  • I fear Spies might not have the brain to match the brawn. He could still be very, very good. But with Smith’s defence and ball carrying & Burger’s wrecking ball style play I think Kanko will flourish.

  • Comment 16, posted at 08.06.08 10:34:26 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

  • Chavanga’s defensive positioning was a bit unsure. Hopefully it is something the coaching staff can help him understand.

  • Comment 17, posted at 08.06.08 10:35:55 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

  • excerpt from an interesting article by Peter Bills… on iol.

    “…..The Crusaders’ success has been hallmarked by the players’ phenomenal support for the ball carrier. Options are myriad for the man in possession; to his left, his right or behind. Passes are given in the secure knowledge that a colleague will take the ball and make further progress.

    Under Deans, the Crusaders understand the great value of off-loading in the tackle, of extending the movement by seeking width and ensuring continuity through a pass. Support is axiomatic and this continuity is the key to breaking down modern day tight defences.

    Deans will bring a vibrant, challenging mind to the job of coaching the Wallabies. He will ask questions of players, demand they accept greater responsibility and make their own decisions on the field. All of which De Villiers is already demanding of the Springboks. He is right to do so for this is surely the way forward.

    Ironically, it could be New Zealand who will lag behind this year, as their southern hemisphere rivals seek to broaden their horizons. New Zealand has lost some talented players of the highest calibre and the loss will be keenly felt, not least during this Tri-Nations campaign.

    If ever South Africa had an opportunity to win in the All Blacks’ backyard it is surely next month…..”

    it’s early days but it makes sense to me

  • Comment 18, posted at 08.06.08 13:17:09 by spykerbaard Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 6) :

    You are so right about the props Rob, Mujati was terrible, why any tighthead would ever scrum in on his own ball clearly has no idea how to scrum! There is never a reason to scrum in on your own ball, ridiculous to take a penalty for that. Gurthro was simply adequate at loosehead, I would play BJ and Mujati next game with CJ on the bench.

    Bekker was adequate, but certainly no Matfield, or Muller for that matter. Bakkies was OK, but not very prominent in the game.

    Spies was OK, but certainly showed no reason why he should play over Kankowski who was by far the best 8 in the Super 14.

    Bolla was adequate, but still tends to take steps before passing, which allows the defense to come up to easily. Ruan, was excellent when he came on, his pass was snappy, and he never went walkabout.

    Watson was also pretty good, and played his role well. Juan had his usual game, which is simply world class.

    Butch, well what can I say, I said over a week ago, when everyone was concerned about his kicking, that he has been an 80% kicker when he has kicked for his team in the last couple of years. His kicking from hand has become superb as well. Butch is now the complete flyhalf, great hands, super defense, kicking out of hand is excellent as well as for goal. He just does not make mistakes anymore, and always has something clever to do with the ball.

    JdV and Adi were excellent, and deserve their spots, Adi is a better choice than Steyn at centre.

    Habana. although he never had any space to work with was excellent and superb on defense. Chavanga’s defense was non-existent, he was either falling off tackles or simply not there. He is a HUGE liability in international rugby. Odwa must get a start here next week. He may not have the all out speed of Chavanga, but he is much more of an all around player. Excellent defense, and runs better angles. Also a bigger, and stronger finisher than Chavanga. Jantjes was hot and cold. Excellent at times, but disappeared at other times. His defense is suspect, and I don’t think he should start next week. Believe it or not, this might be the place to play Steyn, fullback, his defense has improved this season and his individual flare may work better here.

    If I were PdV, and were to pick my team for next game it would be this (Of course he will not pick this team since he will just pick more WP players):

    1. Beast
    2. Smit
    3. BJ
    4. Bakkies
    5. Matfield
    6. Watson
    7. Smith
    8. Kankowski
    9. Ruan
    10. Butch
    11. Habana
    12. JdV
    13. Adi
    14. Odwa
    15. Steyn
    16. Bissie
    17. CJ
    18. Bekker
    19. Spies
    20. Ricky
    21. Grant
    22. Percy

  • Comment 19, posted at 08.06.08 14:53:21 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Here is everyone’s score card:
    1. Gurthro 5
    2. Smit 8
    3. Mujati 3
    4. Bakkies 6
    5. Bekker 5
    6. Watson 7
    7. Smith 8
    8. Spies 6
    9. Januarie 5
    10. Butch 9
    11. Habana 7
    12. JdV 8
    13. Adi 8
    14. Chavanga 3
    15. Jantjes 5
    16. Bissie 7
    17. CJ 7
    18. Matfield 7
    19. Roussow 6
    20. Ruan 7
    21. Grant (not enough time but did nothing wrong, played well, certainly deserves to be Butch’s understudy for now)
    22. Percy 7

  • Comment 20, posted at 08.06.08 15:01:47 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • #19 On what basis does Steyn warrant a start? His form?

    That aside i think the overly critical are in force everywhere – no-one seems satisfied? Journo’s and fans alike. It was a good win, the Welsh were terrible but at the same time a lot of that came from good pressure and good defense. The Welsh had no space to do anything.

    i thought Jantjies was solid but a few positional issues need to be sorted…and who better than Monty to help? Habana was himself. Don’t really need to say much more – i just wish the Boks would create more space for him. Chavanga will be disappointed with his second test, but he faced up to these supposed threats the Aussies and Kiwi’s seem to have in abundance all Super 14 and i didn’t hear a whisper then….give him a run of games and i am sure his confidence will grow – besides its not to bad for a first or second game back from injury…Jacobs was fantastic on attack, but missed a couple of one on one tackles in the first half, something to improve on but a very nice return to test rugby for the man from the Sharks. De Villiers continued his good from and is probably playing the best rugby we have seen from him in his international career. His defence was confrontational and impenetrable and his attacking skills and finishing ability were on show….as a combination they were very good. Butch. Excellent. Kicked ran, passed and smashed everything that ran at him. Nuff said. One needs to look at the comments round this issue in the past week…sacrilegious to play a test without a kicker was the general theme. Maybe PdV knew something we didn’t. Bolla had a good game, he kicked pretty well, his passing was quick and i might venture he was better than Pienaar on the day. I thought this was a bad selection – Januarie’s misdemeanors didn’t help. But I can’t really think of any reason for Bolla not to start ahead of him next week.

    Spies, aside from one run didn’t appear to be in the game, i saw a lot of hovering on the fringes and not enough impetus to convince me that Kanko really should get the nod next week. Juan Smith is quietly carving his legend into our consciousness and aside from Butch’s performance, he really should have been man of the match. Watson i think earned a lot of people’s respect back with his performance, but Wales were weak on the ground and i think Mccaw, Smith and Waugh will provide some stiffer resistance. Watson probably has next week and 60 minutes to show PdV that there is an alternative to Burger.

    Bekker was solid and i think he deserves another start, we know what Vic can do. Lets see What Bekker can. Bakkies was his usual abrasive self. Solid.

    In the front row, places on either side of the skipper, who also had a very good game and underlined his class yet again, are up for grabs and the competition is good. Mujati will know he needs to improve, as will Guthro if they want to be in the run on side.

    All in all i think for a first test of the season it was good performance, the rugby was entertaining and aside from a few lapses here and there i am pretty satisfied.

  • Comment 21, posted at 08.06.08 15:54:33 by Sauce Reply
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  • PdV has announced his rotation policy from the start, right? So expect a lot more changes to this team…

  • Comment 22, posted at 08.06.08 16:24:10 by JT Reply

  • @JT (Comment 22) :

    He did? I didn’t know that.

  • Comment 23, posted at 08.06.08 16:29:59 by KSA Shark Β© Reply

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  • It was chav’s 4th test, btw πŸ™‚

  • Comment 24, posted at 08.06.08 16:38:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 20) : Glad to see you’re still alive, anyway πŸ˜‰ Thought you might have got caught up in the storms…

  • Comment 25, posted at 08.06.08 16:44:26 by robdylan Reply
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  • AUSTRIA beat Hungary 9-6 in the β€œrelegation” battle! Just got the news from Vienna :mrgreen: this means that we stay in our group.

  • Comment 26, posted at 08.06.08 17:19:22 by JT Reply

  • @JT (Comment 26) : Nice work

  • Comment 27, posted at 08.06.08 19:05:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 19) :

    Looks far more rounded that team…

  • Comment 28, posted at 09.06.08 03:59:21 by bryce_in_oz Reply

  • Steyn does not deserve a place in the 22.

  • Comment 29, posted at 09.06.08 07:18:35 by wpw aka The Tank Reply
  • “he has never had a bad game for the Boks”…

  • Comment 30, posted at 09.06.08 07:42:31 by bryce_in_oz Reply

  • I am very happy with teh Bokke…yes we are not world beaters but we are good…

  • Comment 31, posted at 09.06.08 07:53:01 by Hmmm Reply

  • Only worry is Mujati in the scrums…I have been saying for the whole week now that Mujati has cheapened the Bok jersey…and he proved it this weekend…

    As I said…no prop that went back as many times in a provincial tourno deserves a place in a international rugby side…especially not the world champs….

  • Comment 32, posted at 09.06.08 07:55:02 by Hmmm Reply

  • And Jantjies is suspect on defense!??! If not a liability….

    And it will show even more in the 3N….

  • Comment 33, posted at 09.06.08 07:56:26 by Hmmm Reply

  • And Bolla played well…I take back all I said last week…

  • Comment 34, posted at 09.06.08 07:57:05 by Hmmm Reply

  • what a shocking referee performance. it is rare that the boks have the referee blow their way, but on saturday it was shocking. he missed a number of knockons by the south africans, a lot of forward passes, but made sure the welsh weren’t given anything even if marginal. look i don’t think the welsh would have won it, but the ref made sure they didn’t. as for bakkies body slamming a guy on the ground, this is disgusting and i feel it is a pity he wasn’t sited. it isn’t in the spirit of the game.

  • Comment 35, posted at 09.06.08 08:01:53 by try time Reply

  • Got something to say Bryce???

  • Comment 36, posted at 09.06.08 08:13:46 by wpw aka The Tank Reply
  • Howzit Wes… go back to work πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 37, posted at 09.06.08 08:21:32 by bryce_in_oz Reply

  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 19) :

    A lot of Natal there wouldn’t you say ? πŸ™‚

    But yes…I think Beast , Kanko and Odwa deserve a start. Don’t know about Steyn at 15 though…or anywhere in the starting 15.

  • Comment 38, posted at 09.06.08 08:26:52 by blackshark Reply

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  • Hehehehe

    Whatever Convict!!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 39, posted at 09.06.08 08:32:57 by wpw aka The Tank Reply
  • I think Chavs deserves another chance. Kanko should start this coming wkend.

    Spies was not great at all.

  • Comment 40, posted at 09.06.08 08:33:50 by wpw aka The Tank Reply
  • They should just whisper “Zanu-PF” to Chavanga every time he gets the ball – nothing will stop him getting over the opposition line then.

  • Comment 41, posted at 09.06.08 08:36:24 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 20) : Januarie didn’t play…put probably does deserve a 5 for his off the field shenanigans…

    Bolla on the other hand deserves a bit more than that… πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 42, posted at 09.06.08 08:39:44 by blackshark Reply

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  • To all the Boks supporters..congrats on your teams win. ❗

  • Comment 43, posted at 09.06.08 08:42:25 by Reds Reply

  • @blackshark (Comment 42) : πŸ˜›

  • Comment 44, posted at 09.06.08 08:55:28 by PJLD Reply
  • Good performance for a 1st match of the season together. Bolla and Watson proved me wrong, as did Percy off the bench, he does still have something to offer Bok rugby although it is doubtful we could still be there in 2011.

    My 22 for Saturday’s match would be:

    1. BJ Botha
    2. J. Smit
    3. T. Mtawarira
    4. B Botha
    5. V Matfield
    6. L Watson
    7. J. Smith
    8. P. Spies
    9. B. Conradie
    10.B. James
    11. B. Habanna
    12.J De Villiers
    13. A. Jacobs
    14. O.Ndungane
    15. C. Jantjes (by the skin of his teeth and based on the long terms goals)

    16. B du Plessis
    17. CJ van der Linde
    18. A. Bekker
    19. R.Kankowski
    20. R. Januarie
    21. P. Montgomery
    22. F. Steyn

  • Comment 45, posted at 09.06.08 10:26:57 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 45) :
    Now why would you swop your props?

  • Comment 46, posted at 09.06.08 10:59:12 by Bok-El Reply

  • @Bok-El (Comment 46) :

    Sorry that should be BJ at 3 and Beast at 1…….

  • Comment 47, posted at 09.06.08 11:04:00 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • And I must say I have a good feeling on how Pieter reacts to situations (not how as in vocab, how as in his mind set)…

  • Comment 48, posted at 09.06.08 11:16:35 by Hmmm Reply

  • @Dive Pass (Comment 45) : Like your team…except I’d have Matfield and Spies on the bench…but then gain the game will be in PTA… πŸ™„

  • Comment 49, posted at 09.06.08 11:19:09 by blackshark Reply

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  • Ok…actually I wouldn’t mind Spies starting…but Rossouw has to sit this one out and Kanko must be involved.

  • Comment 50, posted at 09.06.08 11:22:50 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 50) : I agree . Why would PdV play Matfield and Rossouw on the bench? I can understand if Rossouw start on the bench to cover lock and loosie, but for him to be chosen above Kanko as a loosie is crazy. Never did like Rossouw much( except maybe that tackle in the RWC final)

  • Comment 51, posted at 09.06.08 11:30:21 by Pokkel Reply
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  • I also didn’t think Spies had such a great game, maybe PdV should give Kanko a start

  • Comment 52, posted at 09.06.08 11:31:06 by Pokkel Reply
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  • …and Steyn would look better in a suit and tie in the pawiljoen than with a 22 on his back.

  • Comment 53, posted at 09.06.08 11:31:19 by Bok-El Reply

  • @Pokkel (Comment 51) :

    I have proposed 4 changes in the starting 15 and 2 new players on the bench, I really can’t see an international coach with a winning team changing more then that against the same opposition. In fact it may be a push to have that many changes.

    We may see more changes in the Italy match, where even if you played the Collegian’s 6th team you would probably still get a win…

  • Comment 54, posted at 09.06.08 11:39:26 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 45) :

    I don’t think Bolla did that well that he is a sudden first choice….
    Ruan did speed things up but it could also be that he had a better platform as the forwards dominance improved with Mujati going off…
    And they both asked limited questions of the defence…

    So Ricky will still be my first choice…

  • Comment 55, posted at 09.06.08 11:47:52 by Hmmm Reply

  • @Hmmm (Comment 55) :

    I think he did enough to stay in the starting 15 for now, he was given an opportunity and took it, let ….let Rickie come of the bench and show what he can do from there. By the time of the 3N we can choose our best number 9.

    I still think Kockott and Vermaak were short changed in not having a chance to show De Villier up close what they can do. I believe Vermaak particularly would have had an even better game then Conradie.

    I thought Ruan passes were a bit “loopy” and he lacks composure.

  • Comment 56, posted at 09.06.08 11:57:42 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 55) :

    Further to that…I would seriously consider giving Kanko a go…

    And I will play Percy ahead of Jantjies…dont think Jantjies will be good enough in 2011…so he is not a good 4 year plan selection…lets be honest….unless he develops skills that a Percy has!??!

    Then we should either groom Steyn there or Ludik or Kirchner….

  • Comment 57, posted at 09.06.08 12:00:39 by Hmmm Reply

  • @Hmmm (Comment 55) :

    I think Bolla did well enough to keep the number 9 IMO.
    Mr Suspension must serve the rest of his sentence on the bench and prove himself from there…and then he can start against Italy. But then again…PdV might wanna see more of Januarie…so I really don’t mind who starts between them.

    But with the 2 in the 22…there’s obviously no need for Ruan there…which will leave a gap for Steyn. Unless we wanna sub Adi with Percy again.

  • Comment 58, posted at 09.06.08 12:06:24 by blackshark Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 57) : you don’t think Jantjies will be good enough in 2011…based on what?

  • Comment 59, posted at 09.06.08 12:07:32 by blackshark Reply

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  • :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 60, posted at 09.06.08 12:09:20 by Charlie Reply

  • Jantjes was not great but he was the best SA 15 in the S14 and deserves another go.

    I think Percy should start in the TN though. We need to beat the Aussies and particularly NZ in their own backyard.

    We are the World Champions for goodness sake!!! 😎

  • Comment 61, posted at 09.06.08 12:18:46 by wpw aka The Tank Reply
  • @wpw aka The Tank (Comment 61) :

    Agreed….gee whiskers, I am agreeing with a streepies supporter πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 62, posted at 09.06.08 12:22:36 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • Ag Dive Pass, its cos I’m mos likes to be a knowledgeable supporter bru! πŸ™„

  • Comment 63, posted at 09.06.08 12:26:42 by wpw aka The Tank Reply
  • Is there any way we can just blame the entire defensive balls up on Chavanga, drop him in favour of Odwa and then merrily let Jantjes carry on at fullback? πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 64, posted at 09.06.08 12:33:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • Seems like I’m fighting a lone battle to keep the Stormers players IN the Boks side. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 65, posted at 09.06.08 12:37:13 by wpw aka The Tank Reply
  • @wpw aka The Tank (Comment 65) : last time I checked, Percy and Jantjes were both Stormers players

  • Comment 66, posted at 09.06.08 12:40:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @wpw aka The Tank (Comment 65) :

    We always said 7 was far too many…. πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 67, posted at 09.06.08 12:41:11 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 66) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 68, posted at 09.06.08 12:46:19 by blackshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 64) : Good point Rob…

    But the way I see it…Chavanga is not “THAT” far ahead of other wings who are knocking on PdV’s door. Odwa’s been knocking for a while too. I think they need to be given similar chances to compete for that position.

    Conrad on the other hand, I feel has a bit of daylight between him and the other up-and-coming 15’s in the country. I think he needs to learn as much as he can as Percy’s understudy.

  • Comment 69, posted at 09.06.08 12:54:09 by blackshark Reply

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  • i reckon my dog spot should be given a run. he could give the welsh backline a good licking. and my cat will play well for the welsh, he is such a big pussy. and why not have the spears forward pack coming off the bench. and why don’t we sign georgia up. she must be one moerse chick if she is single handedly playing the emerging boks on wednesday. actually looking at some of the names in the emerging boks team, a chick is all that is needed to beat them.

  • Comment 70, posted at 09.06.08 12:57:06 by try time Reply

  • @try time (Comment 70) : Missed your medication this morning TT ?

  • Comment 71, posted at 09.06.08 13:09:32 by blackshark Reply

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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 56) :

    But he was quicker to the ball and did speed up the backline a tad…

  • Comment 72, posted at 09.06.08 13:10:22 by Hmmm Reply

  • my welsh team to play the boks.

    15. Jones
    14. Jones
    13. Jones
    12. Jones
    11. Jones
    10. Jones
    9. Jones
    8. Jones
    7. Jones
    6. Jones
    5. Jones/Jones
    4. Jones
    3. Jones
    2. Jones
    1. Jones

    16. Jones
    17. Jones
    18. Jones/Jones
    19. Jones
    20. Jones
    21. Jones
    22. Indiana

  • Comment 73, posted at 09.06.08 13:14:42 by try time Reply

  • yeah, jones never played that well on saturday, that is why i put jones in at 6. i think jones will play a lot better as an impact player in the second half. the one player in the welsh team that did impress me was jones. he had an excellent game. pity jones never gave him more ball. i feel the 12-13 combo of jones and jones will be a lot better.

  • Comment 74, posted at 09.06.08 13:21:27 by try time Reply

  • @try time (Comment 74) : I just can’t believe they left Jones at home for this tour.

  • Comment 75, posted at 09.06.08 13:25:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • the boks were so effective on saturday because they made some jone-barring tackles. shit i am on a roll.

  • Comment 76, posted at 09.06.08 13:30:12 by try time Reply

  • on a roll downhill…. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 77, posted at 09.06.08 13:36:30 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

  • rolling moss, picks up no rock.

  • Comment 78, posted at 09.06.08 13:38:10 by try time Reply

  • :mrgreen: LOL …but how many guys named Jones can you have in one team?

    My litle sister thought that was the funniest thing…she just couldn’t believe her eyes.

  • Comment 79, posted at 09.06.08 13:47:57 by blackshark Reply

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  • “The construction site at Vodacom Park in Bloemfontein had none of the sophistication one associates with Test venues”…. where do these writers get such diatribe ?

    TT did your Jones jokes go done so well on Sharks Rugby you had to repeat them verbatim here?

  • Comment 80, posted at 09.06.08 13:52:54 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 59) :

    His performance!??!
    He will either have to to teach himself new skills (like Percy did)….or he will just be a “almost was” then…

    His defence is very poor….needs to work on his reading of the play….work on his up and unders (was just giving away ball)…etc etc…

  • Comment 81, posted at 09.06.08 13:57:03 by Hmmm Reply

  • dave piss, i saw sharks rugby was quiet, so i wasn’t going to waste such effort on one site.

  • Comment 82, posted at 09.06.08 13:57:53 by try time Reply

  • @try time (Comment 82) : Oy… let’s have less puerile name calling, ok?

  • Comment 83, posted at 09.06.08 14:03:04 by robdylan Reply
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  • Geez you okes are really bored on this freezing Monday πŸ˜†

  • Comment 84, posted at 09.06.08 14:08:40 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 83) :

    It’s ok Rob I have been working TT over in the loose mauls….I suppose it’s always the player that retaliates that get the card or penalty πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 85, posted at 09.06.08 14:12:06 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • sorry bob r.

  • Comment 86, posted at 09.06.08 14:13:12 by try time Reply

  • or was that rob o cop

  • Comment 87, posted at 09.06.08 14:15:16 by try time Reply

  • @Hmmm (Comment 81) : Ok…I accept…the dude has a lot of stuff to learn…but I wouldn’t go as far as predicting that he won’t be ready in 2011.

    Who knew Beast would be a Bok prop in such a short space of time?

    With good coaching and mentoring, and off-course a lot of hard work from him…I don’t see why he can’t be in 2011 what Percy was in 2007…or maybe more? πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 88, posted at 09.06.08 14:38:29 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 88) :

    Not saying he won’t be ready….just saying in spite of a few things he can “fix” he just does not show the talent required with current skills…and did say he needs to learn new skills or he will not be up to it come 2011….
    And he needs to become a lot more physical…and realise that that will change he game and needs to deal with it and make an impression…

    I will not select him for the second test…..

  • Comment 89, posted at 09.06.08 14:52:30 by Hmmm Reply

  • @blackshark (Comment 88) :

    Can we accomodate beast and Guthro in teh front row? Not too clued up about who scrums where…

    But Mujati is useless….

    Or bring Heinke in and bring Beast off the bench…with his fresh legs he would be deadly in general play….deadly….

  • Comment 90, posted at 09.06.08 14:54:22 by Hmmm Reply

  • @Hmmm (Comment 90) : No. Beast and Gurthro are both looseheads.

  • Comment 91, posted at 09.06.08 15:02:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • I doubt Mr de Villiers will make more than 2/3 changes. These two tests against the Joneses & Italy are the perfect opportunity to give some of the fringe/up and coming players a go. The get a few tests under the belt, the experience of playing/training with some experienced guys & win.

  • Comment 92, posted at 09.06.08 15:03:54 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

  • And here i thought only Dawie got 1 and 3 confused. 😯

  • Comment 93, posted at 09.06.08 15:05:50 by wpw aka The Tank Reply
  • Hmmm

    Heinke is not in the 30 man squad.

  • Comment 94, posted at 09.06.08 15:06:16 by wpw aka The Tank Reply
  • @wpw aka The Tank (Comment 94) : I heard they wanted to pick him as the scrum machine.

  • Comment 95, posted at 09.06.08 15:12:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 95) : πŸ˜†

  • Comment 96, posted at 09.06.08 15:18:03 by blackshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 91) :

    O jinne…then beast will have to play off the bench behind Heinke…

  • Comment 97, posted at 09.06.08 15:49:03 by Hmmm Reply

  • @wpw aka The Tank (Comment 94) :

    True….but that is exactly the point…they should send Mujati back to CT and call up Heinke…

    CJ can cover for tighthead and we are sorted on loosehead…..(Guthro/Beast/Heinke)….with BJ and CJ at tighthead…

  • Comment 98, posted at 09.06.08 15:59:14 by Hmmm Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 95) :

    LoL….but the front row took a confidence knock when he scrummed them all back….LoL

  • Comment 99, posted at 09.06.08 16:01:06 by Hmmm Reply


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