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Frans Steyn puts his boot down

Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :In the news, Springboks on 12 Jun 2008 at 22:57

Frans Steyn has told Springbok coach Peter de Villiers he would prefer to be considered only as flyhalf for the South African rugby team; not as a wing, centre or fullback.

Hennie Brandt reports in Beeld that the versatile young Springbok back and De Villiers have had a frank discussion and now know exactly where they stand in relation to each other.

“Frans indicated that he would like to be considered for the flyhalf position,” De Villiers confirmed on Thursday.

Steyn played on the wing and at centre and fullback when Jake White coached the Springboks.

He was one of the stars at the 2007 World Cup tournament after taking over in midfield from injured Jean de Villiers.

“It’s not about me, but about the player,” De Villiers said. “If a player says he wants to play in a certain position, it’s no problem. I am here to help the players.

“But Frans will have to understand where he fits in. He must know which player has been selected ahead of him and why it happened. Then he must work on his shortcomings.

“Who knows what will happen at the end of the year, or when the World Cup tournament starts. I think he can be a good flyhalf,” the coach said.

Asked whether he would consider the 21-year-old Steyn only for the flyhalf position, De Villiers said, “I won’t be as rigid as that. Frans knows he will have to help out in other positions at times.

“But I will, as far as possible, try to consider him only for the flyhalf position.”

The coach feels Steyn does not have to look beyond Springbok flyhalf Butch James to find a good mentor.

James performed well in the World Cup tournament and was a star when South Africa beat Wales in Bloemfontein last week.

“Frans won’t find a better teacher than Butch,” De Villiers said. “He should ask Butch why and when a flyhalf does certain things during a match. He must learn from Butch.

“Frans is still young and could be with us for the next eight years.”

Steyn’s request to be considered as flyhalf only may have cost Peter Grant his place in the SA squad for the second Test against Wales in Pretoria on Saturday.

Grant was the substitute flyhalf in Bloemfontein but Steyn has been given the No 21 jersey for the Loftus Versfeld match.


  • Fair enough – I know not everyone thinks he can hack it at 10 at this level, but at least he has made a choice – unlike Ruan and Brent.

    Now best of luck to him and lets hope that he really applies himself in addition to depending on his awesome natural talent.

    Things like his weakness at clearing kicks can be addressed with mind and technical coaching, and like PDV said, he can learn an awful lot from Butch.

    Lest we forget, Butch was for YEARS rated as at best average, but in recent seasons he has finally harnessed his talent and got his mind and body aligned, and now his strengths more than make up for any weaknesses. After all, his kicking was also much less reliable in the past – both for goal and out of hand.

  • Comment 1, posted at 12.06.08 23:05:27 by Big Fish Reply
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  • I like the idea od Frans at 10 if he works on his play there and plays there every week – but he must be adamant about it, and if the Sharks can’t accommodate that, then he must leave.

    Kanko, Ruan, Frans, Badly Barritt and Waylon Murray – not a bad axis.

    On paper anyway.

  • Comment 2, posted at 12.06.08 23:09:00 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Now that JdV is fit, I am afraid Frans must maar just wait his turn until JdV is out or retires IMO.

  • Comment 3, posted at 12.06.08 23:15:13 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Not quite sure what to make of this…

  • Comment 4, posted at 12.06.08 23:19:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • You know what, bravo Piet.
    Very maturely handled and in no way put the player under any disillusions of where he is in the pecking order.

    As for Steyn, didnt he say a few months ago that he prefers fullback?
    From a pure career and statistical point of view he could become the longest serving Springbok, top scorer etc if he settled on fullback.
    No injuries, lots of droppies, lots of penlties etc…

    But then again the bravest players always want to play in the front lines.
    Quite chuffed that the young man has thrown his hat in the ring despite the competition there from Butch, Pretoors???, Grant…

    All the best to him.

  • Comment 5, posted at 12.06.08 23:49:28 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 5) : Pretoors who? 😉

  • Comment 6, posted at 13.06.08 00:24:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • I foresee an evolution (well for the Boks) into having the 10/12 type of half-back we see with NZ and Aus…

  • Comment 7, posted at 13.06.08 06:12:10 by bryce_in_oz Reply

  • Butch/Grant/Steyn/Barrit/Morne Steyn…

  • Comment 8, posted at 13.06.08 06:13:35 by bryce_in_oz Reply

  • Who is Butch Steyn?

  • Comment 9, posted at 13.06.08 07:05:08 by blackshark Reply

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  • look beyond Springbok flyhalf Butch Steyn to find a good mentor 😆

  • Comment 10, posted at 13.06.08 07:10:51 by blackshark Reply

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  • bs

    He is related to Os Snyman! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 11, posted at 13.06.08 07:28:10 by wpw Reply
  • IMO Fransie Steyn is confused and also loolks confused… 🙄

  • Comment 12, posted at 13.06.08 07:47:26 by Charlie Reply

  • and he needs a haircut… 🙄

  • Comment 13, posted at 13.06.08 07:50:09 by wpw Reply
  • I won’t be reading too much into this. Seems like Steyn merely stated his preference. Coach says he’ll see what he can do. That’s all.

  • Comment 14, posted at 13.06.08 07:55:03 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 13) :

    The sooner the better… what is it with those FS boys coming to Durban…

  • Comment 15, posted at 13.06.08 07:55:47 by bryce_in_oz Reply

  • If his province doesn’t pick him at flyhalf he can forget about being picked for the Boks at flyhalf.

  • Comment 16, posted at 13.06.08 07:55:57 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

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    His province has picked him at 10. He will make a fine flyhalf… as BF says, he just needs to work on his game… the talent is there…

  • Comment 17, posted at 13.06.08 07:59:20 by wpw Reply
  • I still don’t rate Steyn at flyhalf, he will not get much game time at 10,well at least not now.Good for him making up his mind. Lets hope it works

  • Comment 18, posted at 13.06.08 08:09:21 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Yeah well done to all concerned.

    From the point of Frans having to learn his trade in becoming a good 10, 12 is still a great option for him because of the similarities of the position in the modern era, but offering him a bit more time on the ball to help in his decision making and execution.

    I am quite happy for Frans and Grant to fight it out for the understudy role, it makes for healthy competition in the squad and gets rid of complacency.

    I would like to see Div bring both Frans and Grant on at 12 quite a bit though to ease them into this role. Flyhalf is a damned difficult position.

    On that note, I hope WP plays Grant at 12 when he is not needed for Bok duty outside Willem de Waal. Grant is far from the finished product and will learn a lot from old Willem.

    Same for Frans, play Barritt 10 and play Frans 12.

    Grant had his chance last week, Frans has his this week, and I expect Grant to start next week with Frans on the bench, give them each a half against the Italians. And give Butch a rest.

  • Comment 19, posted at 13.06.08 08:12:13 by MorneN Reply
  • Morne

    What team would you select against Italy?

  • Comment 20, posted at 13.06.08 08:31:48 by wpw Reply
  • 1. Beast
    2. Bismarck
    3. Mujati
    4. Bakkies
    5. Bekker
    6. Luke
    7. Joe
    8. Kanko
    9. Pienaar
    10. Grant
    11. Odwa
    12. Steyn
    13. Adi
    14. Chavs
    15. Percy

    16. Brits
    17. Guthro
    18. CJ
    19. Victor
    20. Ricky
    21. Butch
    22. Jean

  • Comment 21, posted at 13.06.08 08:45:52 by MorneN Reply
  • …and the wheels of the bus go round and round… 🙄

    I don’t see how this article is any different from the other million ” Steyn prefers organic shampoo articles”…

    We’ll try to consider him for flyhalf but we’ll use him in other positions if we have to. Doesn’t that define Utility Back? 😕

  • Comment 22, posted at 13.06.08 08:48:22 by blackshark Reply

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  • @MorneN (Comment 21) : Not bad…

  • Comment 23, posted at 13.06.08 08:52:38 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 23) :

    I know, maybe I should have considered that selector offer they made with more ernst??? 😆

  • Comment 24, posted at 13.06.08 08:56:20 by MorneN Reply
  • @MorneN (Comment 24) :

  • Comment 25, posted at 13.06.08 08:58:52 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Comment 26, posted at 13.06.08 09:00:27 by wpw Reply
  • Morne

    I suspect Bobo will get a run soon.

    Oh, Percy is not available for the Italy test.

    Which means Steyn can play 15.

    Bobo at 12 with Adi at 13???

  • Comment 27, posted at 13.06.08 09:02:12 by wpw Reply
  • Ok… who’s gonna kick? Grant?

  • Comment 28, posted at 13.06.08 09:08:49 by blackshark Reply

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  • Grant or Ruan or Steyn…

  • Comment 29, posted at 13.06.08 09:12:28 by wpw Reply
  • Do we even need a kicker against Italy?

  • Comment 30, posted at 13.06.08 09:12:54 by wpw Reply
  • @MorneN (Comment 21) : Happy with this as it gives everyone some game time and a chance. Interesting frontrow too.

  • Comment 31, posted at 13.06.08 09:15:16 by Villie Reply
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  • Percy will be in France playing against Smit Morne…

  • Comment 32, posted at 13.06.08 09:34:49 by bryce_in_oz Reply

  • A player should be happy he gets selected to play for his country, not demand that he be played in a certain position. Especially a player as young as Steyn.

    You always hear football players saying “I would play anywhere for my country, as long as I get picked”, and that is the way it should be… it should be treated as an honour, not as a right.

    Having said all that, Steyn is a great talent and I still think he should be played at 12, because that’s where he’ll learn what’s required of both the flyhalf and inside center, and he’ll eventually be moved to flyhalf once his decision-making improves with experience.

    If it was good enough for Carter, then I don’t see why it shouldn’t be for Steyn.

    Any of these young kids would do well to learn from Percy’s professionalism… He’s had a tough time of it throughout his career and always come back thanks to his work ethic. Last week he was on the bench, but no complaints from the guy… just says that he’s happy to be in the plans of the coach.

    Wish South Africa could have more players with his attitude.

  • Comment 33, posted at 13.06.08 09:39:16 by Ghost10 Reply

  • I would play pakslae at 4, JP at 11, Bobo at 13 and Odwa at 14 against Italy. Otherwise, like the team

  • Comment 34, posted at 13.06.08 09:39:19 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ghost10 (Comment 33) : Spooktien… did you get KSA’s email about the tickets?

  • Comment 35, posted at 13.06.08 09:39:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 27) :

    You are right.

    I would then bring Conrad in, keep Steyn at 12, Bobo 13 (good one that I forgot about him).

    Keep the bench the same.

  • Comment 36, posted at 13.06.08 09:42:09 by MorneN Reply
  • Hey Rob… Yes I did, but I haven’t decided on whether or not I’m gonna fly up to Durban yet… will give u guys a definite answer on Monday, ok.

  • Comment 37, posted at 13.06.08 09:45:40 by Ghost10 Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 34) :

    You just want to drop a WP oke for a Shark oke!

    I would rather drop Odwa then, play JP on 11 and Chavs at 14. Since Chavs looks to be the first choice at the moment I would give him as much game-time as possibly ahead of the 3N.

  • Comment 38, posted at 13.06.08 09:47:01 by MorneN Reply
  • @Ghost10 (Comment 37) : sweet. You gonna play CC fantasy league?

  • Comment 39, posted at 13.06.08 09:48:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 38) : surely Italy is about giving fringe players a run out, though? Why have Odwa in the squad at all if you won’t even play him against Italy. And 11 is out of position for him: he’s never played there. If you really insist on Chavs at 14, then Odwa’s going to have to be at fullback.

  • Comment 40, posted at 13.06.08 09:51:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 39) :
    Nope, sorry… A bit ashamed to say this, but I don’t really watch the Currie Cup much until the final rounds and the semis… 😳

  • Comment 41, posted at 13.06.08 09:52:46 by Ghost10 Reply

  • Does mediazone show all the CC matches?

  • Comment 42, posted at 13.06.08 09:54:50 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

  • @Ghost10 (Comment 41) : a pretty sad indictment on what has become of our premier domestic competition…

  • Comment 43, posted at 13.06.08 09:54:50 by robdylan Reply
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  • Oh, btw Morne, u run those competitions on RW, right? I think I won both your SuperBru and SI fantasy league comps, but my email address has changed since then… let me know if u need my new one.

  • Comment 44, posted at 13.06.08 09:55:19 by Ghost10 Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 43) :
    Just too much rugby these days, what with S14, International matches, Heineken Cup, etc, etc… But I do still like to keep one eye open for certain Currie Cup games because in the last couple of years quite a few good youngsters have come through because of the Boks generally being away.

  • Comment 45, posted at 13.06.08 09:57:24 by Ghost10 Reply

  • @Ghost10 (Comment 45) :

    Hey G10.

    I sent you an email about your test tickets for the Aus match in Dbn that you won on our SB. Have you received it?

  • Comment 46, posted at 13.06.08 09:58:50 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 42) : I believe they’ll have all the ones that are televised

  • Comment 47, posted at 13.06.08 10:01:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 40) :

    Does it matter which side JP plays on? He cant pass and kick for shit anycase! 😈

  • Comment 48, posted at 13.06.08 10:02:53 by MorneN Reply
  • @Ghost10 (Comment 44) :

    Will keep you updated!

  • Comment 49, posted at 13.06.08 10:03:25 by MorneN Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 47) : Thanks, just checked but they still seem to have last year’s games. ❓ At least Sharks v WP is on Sky. 😀

  • Comment 50, posted at 13.06.08 10:04:17 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

  • @MorneN (Comment 48) :

    He can tackle though, which is the reason he should be brought in IMO. 😉

  • Comment 51, posted at 13.06.08 10:05:57 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @MorneN (Comment 48) : not talking about JP. I think he should be playing Currie Cup

  • Comment 52, posted at 13.06.08 10:07:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • @ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 50) : they’d better have the games!

  • Comment 53, posted at 13.06.08 10:07:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • Jinne….should I read anything into this sentence…

    “The coach feels Steyn does not have to look beyond Springbok flyhalf Butch Steyn to find a good mentor”

    Has Steyn and James tied the knot? Strange that James took Steyn’s last name cozz I thought he was the Butch one!???!

  • Comment 54, posted at 13.06.08 10:12:00 by Hmmm Reply

  • I think he could become a great flyhalf…the best game I have ever seen him play was at flyhalf in the worst SA conditions ever…he was the dif between WP and the Sharks that day…

  • Comment 55, posted at 13.06.08 10:13:11 by Hmmm Reply

  • @MorneN (Comment 48) :

    That was such a dumb question that I’m assuming that you either just had a stroke or are fishing with a big reel. 😉

  • Comment 56, posted at 13.06.08 10:15:14 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 56) : trying to catch a big fish

  • Comment 57, posted at 13.06.08 10:20:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • I think he has all the ball and tech skills required….in every facet…

    The only other area that requires development is the mind…although mature for his age…(I mean he was supposed to be playing the U21 WC last year and not THE Rugby WC if we compared him to anyone else in his age group)….but not mature for that role at this level…

    I think he should not just learn from one person…Naas must step in (very level headed if not the most)…Lem (think he will be a very similar flyhalf as Lem was)…Andre (versatility)…Butch (on-field training)…
    The makings of one of the best there ever might be….I mean he already kicks further than anyone whether drop/punt/place (accuracy improved the last year)…fast, good step, strong, great defence, fearless, strong runner….

  • Comment 58, posted at 13.06.08 10:21:10 by Hmmm Reply

  • @Hmmm (Comment 58) : you know, you might just have a point here. FS has one key difference from all our other naturally gifted young flyhalf prospects: he’s f*cking HUGE! Now if only they could all agree on the way forward and put the plans in place to develop him properly, we could have 10 sorted out for the next decade.

  • Comment 59, posted at 13.06.08 10:23:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 57) :

    Ja, but like you, friend Morne was a long-time doubter.

    And he has this unhealthy fascination with making 12’s into 10’s and vice versa.

  • Comment 60, posted at 13.06.08 10:23:32 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 56) :

    Yeh I agree…it is obvious he fumbles the ball before he even thinks of passing….Jinne Morne!????!

  • Comment 61, posted at 13.06.08 10:24:43 by Hmmm Reply

  • @Hmmm (Comment 61) :
    Do you come up with this material yourself or do you have the scriptwriters from the Simpsons working feverishly behind the scenes?

  • Comment 62, posted at 13.06.08 10:37:35 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 59) :

    What do you mean might!??!

    What part of what I said is in doubt…the reason he could not be the best there ever was is if his mind is not right…

    Maxted does not praise very easily outside his own country…and he praised Steyn at 18 already…just unfortunate he progressed so slowly since then…

    His best professional game ever was still as a 19 year old….

    If I was PdV I would drop Grant and bring in Andre as Steyns versatility coach/on-field trainer…that will already give him a step ahead of Carter…Wilkinson is equally as good with either boot though…as Andre…

  • Comment 63, posted at 13.06.08 10:38:49 by Hmmm Reply

  • @Big Fish (Comment 62) :

    Jinne…you will be surprised…

  • Comment 64, posted at 13.06.08 10:40:42 by Hmmm Reply

  • Morne thinks Stefan Terreblanche should play 15 for the Boks. I mean really now… why are we even responding to his comments??? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 65, posted at 13.06.08 10:40:46 by wpw Reply
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 51) :

    One tackle does not make you a great defender…

  • Comment 66, posted at 13.06.08 10:42:11 by Hmmm Reply

  • @Big Fish (Comment 62) :

    :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 67, posted at 13.06.08 10:42:49 by I'ce (TKMITFM) Reply
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  • Come on Rob, get with the freakin program.

    Even ‘Maxted’ praised him… tsk!

  • Comment 68, posted at 13.06.08 10:43:20 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 68) : no comment

  • Comment 69, posted at 13.06.08 10:48:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 68) :

    No program yet…pretty much free for all…

  • Comment 70, posted at 13.06.08 10:57:56 by Hmmm Reply

  • Watte? ❓

  • Comment 71, posted at 13.06.08 11:01:07 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 71) : jinne

  • Comment 72, posted at 13.06.08 11:09:45 by robdylan Reply
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