Nowhere near good enough, Sharks

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks on 22 Jun 2008 at 18:43

The Sharks lost Friday night’s game everywhere but on the scoreboard and for this amateur enthusiast, the time has come to say, “enough is enough”.

I’ve fallen into bad habits. Maybe it’s a case of wanting to believe the hype, despite my better judgments. Perhaps, it’s because I try to be a positive person in the hope that others will follow suit. The fact is, though, that I’m now tired of my team winning ugly when it doesn’t matter and not winning at all when it does. No longer will I accept the meaningless platitudes of “well, if we can play that badly and still win, there must be something very special about this team.” It’s utter bollocks and it ain’t gonna wash no more. Good teams play good rugby all the time. What’s more, good teams win trophies.

The team that Western Province put onto the park shouldn’t have come within 20 points of the Sharks – at least on paper. That, I fear, is the biggest problem and the reason we had to depend on a last-gasp (and potentially dubious) penalty to avoid an embarrassing draw or loss. We have too many players that are heroes in name only, living off an undeserved reputation when, in fact, they have achieved exactly nothing. We have become a paper team, obsessed with the names and glamour associated with our players. The time has come for those whom we worship to stand up and take accountability for their repeated poor performances.

I’m afraid nobody is going to escape this rant, because I feel that the blame needs to be apportioned equally and indiscriminately. Deon Carstens has been around for years now. Where is the on-field leadership from one of the senior guys in the team? Craig Burden needs to get his lineout work sorted out before he’s fit to wear that famous jersey, which the likes of John Allen and John Smit made famous. It doesn’t matter how good he is in the loose if he can’t get the basics right. Jannie du Plessis has three Currie Cup winner’s medals, for goodness sake. Why does he seem incapable of doing anything other than scrumming? Skipper Badenhorst is just useless. He has no hands whatsoever. I can’t really blame him as much as I blame those who continue to pay him to masquerade as a professional rugby player.

Johann Muller may be a grafter and well respected by his peers, but why doesn’t he pull the team through when it counts? As a captain, he has actually achieved nothing of note and he needs to make a personal commitment to change that. Alistair Hargreaves has been hanging around the fringes for ages now, living on past glories of an under-19 tournament that nobody else can remember anymore. We keep hoping, praying and believing that he’s going to take the step up. When will he? Albert van den Berg remains as useful in a tight game as a battleship in the middle of the Sahara. Another who has been around for almost a decade, yet doesn’t bring the benefit of his experience to bear on the game. It seems he just never learns anything.

Jacques Botes disappears in tight games and is only effective when paired with two really big loose forwards. Steven Sykes is not a flank and needs to realise that. Keegan Daniel is just plain not a forward – certainly not unless he is the only lighter man in the loose trio. Again, the fans have known for years now that we have a soft underbelly in the loose forwards. Botes and Kankowski need a good foil to operate on the blindside. Knowing this, why was AJ Venter allowed to leave without any thought to procuring a replacement? Sure, nobody could have predicted Jean Deysel’s injury, but if he was such a big part of the plans, why the Epi Taione disaster? In fact, is there any planning whatsoever going into player procurement at the Sharks? It doesn’t look like it from where I stand. The Cheetahs have no shortage of loose forwards, yet they were the ones quick enough to snap up the services of Bioplus van der Merwe to plug a short-term hole. Our plan is to pick a lock and two lightweights and just hope for the best.

Brad Barritt needs to find a kicking game if he has any serious intentions of playing flyhalf. He’s a bright guy with good skills and a great brain, but he’s too predictable as a flyhalf and needs to vary his game. Andries Strauss is actually looking quite good, but those outside him were all shocking. Waylon Murray is playing like 103kg of nothing much. All that he is these days, is big. He doesn’t look quick, he doesn’t look dangerous, in fact, all he looks like is a slightly confused flanker trying to operate in the backline. JP Pietersen and Henno Mentz have seemingly lost the ability to score tries and seem to have no answer but to run headlong into contact on the rare occasions that they receive the ball. They create nothing, they don’t threaten on defense; they’re not fit to be mentioned in the same paragraph as the likes of Tony Watson, James Small, or even Cabous van der Westhuizen. Oh shit, I just did.

Stefan Terblanche deserves a paragraph all on his own. I can’t quite fathom what it is that the commentators (or the Sharks management) see in his performance that warrants praise. Sure, he is safe under the high ball, but it’s what he does with the ball after the catch that matters; to my mind, he has been poor ever since the second round of the Super 14. His boot is nowhere near as educated as one would expect it to be, given his long and varied career. He catches and he kicks back, over and over. He never finds touch, he never finds space, he never provides a good target for the wings to chase. All he does is catch and kick, catch and kick, rinse and repeat. In fact, he’s another guy who seems to be living on reputation and being picked based on experience, yet this experience never comes to the aid of his teammates when the chips are down.

The backs are not the real targets of this week’s scorn, though; that dubious honour belongs to the pack. The way that they were collectively bullied off their own ball to the tune of 12 turnovers during the course of the game is a pretty sad indictment on one of the supposed strengths of Natal rugby. It doesn’t matter how good the tight five thinks they are if they don’t commit to the rucks. It doesn’t matter how many yards Craig Burden makes with ball in hand, or how quick and skilful Al Hargreaves is if we’re not securing primary possession at the breakdown or in the lineout. It doesn’t matter how many impressive winger tries Keegan Daniel scores if he doesn’t make life difficult for the opposition at the point of contact. The fact is, the pack, as a whole, were taught a rugby lesson by a bunch of no-namers from Western Province. And it’s only going to get worse when we play against the real big boys of this competition, the Blue Bulls and the Cheetahs.

John Plumtree has inherited a bit of a disaster from Dick Muir; a team chock-full of “flair” but lacking in structure and poor in the execution of the basics. The flair isn’t there this season, though and the deficiencies are becoming glaring. His first hit-out as coach was not a total disaster thanks to Rory Kockott. We, as fans, deserve better and will grow more vocal in the coming months should the new coach fail to deliver real improvements and real results.

And right now, we don’t care about the Super 14; we won’t accept that excuse again. The Currie Cup IS important to us, because we haven’t won ANYTHING in 12 years. Win the Currie Cup this year, Sharks and then we’ll talk about 2009. We’ve stuck by you guys. It’s time to give something back.


  • Brace yourselves, Sharks fans. I’m annoyed an it’s going to show in my writing over the next little while.

  • Comment 1, posted at 22.06.08 18:49:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • I can`t agree more, when last did the sharks make a good player investment????? Why not make an offer to Peter Grant?? surely he won`t be getting much game time at Wpee with De Waal !!!

    and as far as mr Murry goes, we need a person that can break the line more than once a season… and please, get someone to teach mr Burden to throw in at a line out.

    Buy a loose forward —- Ernst Joubert, Darren Nell, please any guy that can get go forward ball, If they did not waste money on Epi perhaps they could get Sowerby back!!!!!

    Cant the sharks management see this???

  • Comment 2, posted at 22.06.08 20:22:57 by morneL Reply

  • Oh, and what will happen if they call our Johan Muller to join the boks??? We need more beef in the pack, and a ball fetcher, that 6,7,8 combination that played on Friday, will be the start of our downfall in weeks to come if they don`t start looking to beef up and get someone to play a type of fetcher role!!!

  • Comment 3, posted at 22.06.08 20:31:52 by morneL Reply

  • Loads of guys very low on confidence. Can’t believe the difference in Waylon Murray this season. Don’t know what the cause is. Does he think because he’s a Bok, he’s made it now and doesn’t need to work on his game? Dropping him and bringing him down to earth again would do wonders but who do we replace him with. This is my main concern with the Sharks…we don’t have competition for places, there is no-one breathing down the necks of the incumbents. This breeds complacency.

  • Comment 4, posted at 22.06.08 21:52:02 by Villie Reply
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  • lol rob, u sounds pretty unhappy with the state of thngs. i think the loss of bismarck to the boks just shows how important he is to the pack, but i think the biggest problem is as you say the sharks going away from the strengths, replacing ackerman and aj, very difficult. fact is there are only a handful of those players in SA since they are not flashy or popular. juan smith, schalla, pakslae.

  • Comment 5, posted at 22.06.08 23:06:57 by cab Reply

  • Not being able to watch the game, but watched a disjointed Boks display.Keegan Daniel is the same height as Ritchie maybe a bit lighter, however that is all, nobody bullies Ritchie. The Boks can thank their lucky stars he is injured, because he is a machine. I also agree good teams fire on all cylinders week in and out. Not like Shotguns all over the show. The AB’s created space by being innovative and opened the Poms up like a can of worms. This is the type of play our players have to strive for. Watch how Rodney Suialo Cleaned out Poms when the AB’s tried to score a try. I was amazed Tindal didn’t break anything. However that is the comitment we need and deserve. So Rob keep on Griping a squeeling wheel is heard. In the Old days Blakeway and the Graham Heffer were lightweight and did they stand back for anybody (Oh NO).

  • Comment 6, posted at 22.06.08 23:17:54 by Dynamite Reply

  • Blakeway would eat Keegan Daniel like a mielie

  • Comment 7, posted at 23.06.08 00:45:32 by robdylan Reply
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  • Absolutely agree Rob.

    Terblanche is useless, he’s like Monty without the kicking (and the hair).
    Barritt is a limited but very effective centre but he cannot kick and therefore should not play at 10.
    I don’t rate Botes at all – he’s not as quick as someone as small as he should be, he gets turned over and doesn’t affect many of his own. He’s very rarely the first man to a ruck, a doesn’t tackle very well and he doesn’t even look like a rugby player.
    Hargreaves is bulking up which is good, now he needs a mean streak, he should be sat down with Bakkies.
    Burden was by far and a way the worst player on the pitch. WP’s Fourie was as good in the loose as Burden but had the added advantage of knowing how to scrum and throw in at a lineout. I would play Jenneker in the next match.

    Whoever is coaching the backline needs a klap – every time we managed to get past first phase ball, the backline was lying flat which means that he never hit the ball running, never have momentum and never threatened the WP backline.
    And more than half of the backline moves were exactly the same: Kockett to 10, dummy runner in front of 12, 10 to 12. I know the okes in the Cape aren’t smart but I think that they had us sussed within the first 5 minutes.

    Positives: I liked young Skollie Ndlovu.

  • Comment 8, posted at 23.06.08 01:21:56 by Flashman Reply

  • The Sharks were damn lucky to win against WP the other night…

    You guys will not win another trophy in the near future if you continue playing guys like Barritt at 10.

    Oh, and MorneL, how about you try to develop your own flyhalf instead of poaching one from WP?

  • Comment 9, posted at 23.06.08 07:09:06 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 9) : yeah…. and I guess he attended the “other” Maritzburg College, right? I mean the one that ISN’T in Natal? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 10, posted at 23.06.08 07:16:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • I know Rob but we did not poach the guy and you know it…

    He came to study in CT and the rest as they say is history…

    Are there no reputable Universities in Natal??? 🙄

  • Comment 11, posted at 23.06.08 07:23:16 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 11) : isn’t Stellenbosch actually in the Boland?

  • Comment 12, posted at 23.06.08 07:37:19 by robdylan Reply
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  • 👿 👿

  • Comment 13, posted at 23.06.08 07:42:24 by wpw Reply
  • Still in the Western Cape mate… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 14, posted at 23.06.08 07:42:46 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 14) : well, if you’re going play the game of claiming minor unions as part of your dominion, then we do have a good University. It’s called the University of the Free State. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 15, posted at 23.06.08 07:46:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results – Albert Einstein

    Rob, you’ve said it all. I don’t care how people view it but we seriously cannot be expected to cheer for that nonsense. What are these guys doing?
    We take a step forward and then we do the moonwalk?

    I’m really not the most negative of the lot but on Friday I started to suspect that most of these guys are tied to the Sharks jersey and logo by contracts, pieces of paper, and nothing else. If not then why are we subjected to weak-hearted displays like the one we saw on Friday?

    I don’t want to take “everything” away from the Province side who obviously gave it their all…but the crux of the matter is the Sharks were running around with silver platters in their hands, desperately trying to offload the game instead of the ball.

    It’s bad enough when we don’t show enough flair but when stuff up the offensive and defensive basics so much that we end up playing something that doesn’t even resemble rugby…then we have problem.

    This is not just a typical rant after a bad Friday at the office…but ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. It’s time for the team, especially the older members and those who’ve worn the Bok jersey, to step up and prove to us that we are not supporting a franchise or a union, but a rugby team.

    Sharks forever!

  • Comment 16, posted at 23.06.08 08:26:02 by blackshark Reply

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  • The Sharks 10,12 & 13 are not your fastest guys around, why are they standing so flat on attack ❓

  • Comment 17, posted at 23.06.08 09:26:44 by Charlie Reply

  • @Flashman (Comment 8) : Agreed with you he definitely made a huge difference. I have never been impressed by Keagan, put keegan on the Bench or on the wing (since that is all he seems to be good at) and start with Skoliwe, Deysel and Botes. And please buy Vermeulen! or any other great loosie!

  • Comment 18, posted at 23.06.08 09:27:26 by Sharksmad Reply

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  • Oh yes and buy Grant!

  • Comment 19, posted at 23.06.08 09:28:16 by Sharksmad Reply

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  • The only real other option would be to play Andries Strauss @ 10 with Barritt & Murray as centre pair, unitl Michalak is fit enough… 😉

  • Comment 20, posted at 23.06.08 09:29:41 by Charlie Reply

  • BTW, they must learn Murray to run straight, he looks awful… 🙄

  • Comment 21, posted at 23.06.08 09:32:05 by Charlie Reply

  • @Charlie (Comment 20) : I’m not convinced that Fred is going to save us

  • Comment 22, posted at 23.06.08 09:32:07 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 22) : But then who else…I think I will have to go and offer my services @ 10 for the Sharks… 😆

  • Comment 23, posted at 23.06.08 09:33:40 by Charlie Reply

  • A real surprise result…
    I never watched the game but heard it was almost as bad as the Bulls/LIONS game…

  • Comment 24, posted at 23.06.08 09:36:04 by Hmmm Reply

  • The CC has not started well in terms of quality of play…

    Maybe this contant change of rules might be the reason for that…

    Jinne mujst be tough to be a player and ref these days…

  • Comment 25, posted at 23.06.08 09:37:03 by Hmmm Reply

  • The LIONS/Bulls game the whistle blew every minute….almost every second ruck…and once for 3 rucks/tackle ball situations in a row…

    After 24 minutes into the game only 9 minutes of actual rugby was played…

  • Comment 26, posted at 23.06.08 09:39:08 by Hmmm Reply

  • They should invent a rule that will ensure the game is more fluent….i.e. less stoppages…and less time ticking off when nothing is happening….

  • Comment 27, posted at 23.06.08 09:40:48 by Hmmm Reply

  • @Hmmm (Comment 26) : And it was worse in the Sharks match! The Bulls/Lions match flowed much better! Really do not like these new laws, hope we go back to the ELVs as played in S14 – The games were that much more exciting! 👿

  • Comment 28, posted at 23.06.08 09:50:27 by Sharksmad Reply

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  • @Sharksmad (Comment 28) :

    If it was worse in the Sharks match then it is worse than I thought…
    Or at least just one set of rules…I mean what do these officials think the players are…robots you can reprogram as and when….

  • Comment 29, posted at 23.06.08 09:54:21 by Hmmm Reply

  • The Sharks need a backline…not just a bunch of players making the side of u21 performances….

  • Comment 30, posted at 23.06.08 09:56:08 by Hmmm Reply

  • I think the Sharks need to go shopping again….one big boy in Johan Muller cannot “be” the pack…

    Alistair is lig in die broek…Keegan and ko are serious light…Botes is light…no big hard men to make the yards of tackles for the Sharks…

    Deysel was a serious loss…cannot believe the Sharks managed to let him go….

  • Comment 31, posted at 23.06.08 10:00:42 by Hmmm Reply

  • @Hmmm (Comment 30) : 🙄 Let’s me wonder… 💡

  • Comment 32, posted at 23.06.08 10:01:03 by Charlie Reply

  • @Hmmm (Comment 31) : Deysel’s injured… 😉

  • Comment 33, posted at 23.06.08 10:01:51 by Charlie Reply

  • Comment 13, posted at 23.06.08 07:42:24 by wpw

    Still in the Western Cape mate…

    Comment 14, posted at 23.06.08 07:42:46 by wpw

    @wpw (Comment 14) : well, if you’re going play the game of claiming minor unions as part of your dominion, then we do have a good University. It’s called the University of the Free State.

    Comment 15, posted at 23.06.08 07:46:11 by robdylan


    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results – Albert Einstein

    I’m really not the most negative of the lot but on Friday I started to suspect that most of these guys are tied to the Sharks jersey and logo by contracts, pieces of paper, and nothing else. If not then why are we subjected to weak-hearted displays like the one we saw on Friday?

    @blackshark (Comment 16) : ”

    Eish- who switched on the lights?

    @Sharksmad (Comment 18) :

    “And please buy Vermeulen! or any other great loosie!

    Madam, How sure are you that any newly bought player will be diFFerent to the scenario, as put forward by Black$hark!

  • Comment 34, posted at 23.06.08 10:03:55 by Oranje Orakel Reply

  • @Charlie (Comment 33) :

    Oh I heard (not read) that he left the Sharks…
    Well that is good news…hope he recovers soon…the Sharks need some beef in the forwards…

  • Comment 35, posted at 23.06.08 10:05:31 by Hmmm Reply

  • Murray has been bad since the CC last year…

    That is a long time…I thik he needs to be dropped and the Sharks need to buy someone…

    Same story with Jaco Pretorius…he has been nothing since the 2007 S14 (last worth mentioning in the 2006 CC)…

  • Comment 36, posted at 23.06.08 10:08:39 by Hmmm Reply

  • @Hmmm (Comment 36) : Both was rated by Jake White… 🙄

  • Comment 37, posted at 23.06.08 10:12:05 by Charlie Reply

  • @Hmmm (Comment 36) :


    Broker a coming to Bloem for MuRRay!

    He will be re-wired and be extremely eFfective in Oranje!

    $harks can have him back in 2012-

  • Comment 38, posted at 23.06.08 10:12:43 by Oranje Orakel Reply

  • @Oranje Orakel (Comment 34) : Because I am praying that that is not the case 😕 I am a die hard Sharks supporter, so reeeeeeeeally hope that its something as simple as buying a better loosie than Keegan! Otherwise I will have to make myself happy by watching soccer! 😥

  • Comment 39, posted at 23.06.08 10:13:44 by Sharksmad Reply

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  • Now we’ll see what kind of stuff Plumtree is made of, if he can get these players to lift their game…. they all have the talent, it’s just not showing.

  • Comment 40, posted at 23.06.08 10:20:54 by spykerbaard Reply

  • What about Andries Strauss at 10 & Brad at 12 in his usual spot. ❓

    Give credit to WP. They played 10 man game trying to earn the right to swing it wide. Playing the defence wins games, which nearly worked with Willem.

  • Comment 41, posted at 23.06.08 10:21:51 by Ernie Reply

  • @Sharksmad (Comment 39) :


    Despite popular belief- I do not hate the $harks.

    I just depise some of their practises.

    BUT, they have the best Administration and marketing

    They have the best Academy- and seemingly “structures” Only the Bulls and CoachEra$mu$ seeminly can compete.

    But in the end Rugby is “legalised warfare”

    You need less managerial types- who lOOks and sounds gOOd in the electronic debrief rooms- in order to win.

    Second will always be the “first of the lOOsers” no maTTer how you spin it.

    In order to win- You need to have mongrel- strAAtbrak- head in the frEEzer- fire in the beLLy- kind of okes.

    Even if you Buy them of the shelf- tOO gOOde an environment makes them lOOsing that “edge”

    Unfortunatly for the $harks Supporters- Deben has been for the past couple of years become a “retirement village- almost.

    The REALLY gOOde pro’s well- They want Euro’s

    Hopefully your “investment’ in Grade 8- at places like GenwOOd and the like will pay off, other otherwise you will just become the ATM of rugbyplayers.

  • Comment 42, posted at 23.06.08 10:22:12 by Oranje Orakel Reply

  • I just wish the Sharks would have just one decent game firing on all cylinders… I mean it’s getting so frustrating playing pathetically… yet still beating everything the other Saffa teams throw at us…

  • Comment 43, posted at 23.06.08 10:24:29 by bryce_in_oz Reply

  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 43) :

    In the CC you loose your core S14 team Bryce

    also a price that will be paid for having the best players.

    And maybe DaPPerDick was not such a people manager after all!

  • Comment 44, posted at 23.06.08 10:27:09 by Oranje Orakel Reply

  • @Oranje Orakel (Comment 42) : wind-ups aside, you make a very good point about life in the Tank being far too easy.

  • Comment 45, posted at 23.06.08 10:29:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Oranje Orakel (Comment 44) : Oom Adolf ain’t a great people manager either.. 😉

  • Comment 46, posted at 23.06.08 10:30:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • Imagen if Sharks had lost. 😳

    We should pick the pace next week against Boland 💡 and then mince the Blue bulls with 14 men. 😆 the week after.

  • Comment 47, posted at 23.06.08 10:31:08 by Ernie Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 45) :

    Thanks RobD

    I will consider it a compliment!

    :grin:@robdylan (Comment 46) :

    Might be- so he is Rudi the Hard-nosed contract manager?

  • Comment 48, posted at 23.06.08 10:32:55 by Oranje Orakel Reply

  • @Ernie (Comment 41) : See comment 20… 😉

  • Comment 49, posted at 23.06.08 10:34:19 by Charlie Reply

  • @Charlie (Comment 37) :

    Yes…in 2006…and neither delivered at test level (ok in Jaco’s def he did play at wing in very bad conditions in Ireland…and he has nowhere near enough pace for wing…)

    Marray was less than useless when he got a chance…

  • Comment 50, posted at 23.06.08 10:34:32 by Hmmm Reply

  • @Oranje Orakel (Comment 48) : 🙂

  • Comment 51, posted at 23.06.08 10:34:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Sharksmad (Comment 39) : But the players we have a good enough. They just don’t show the commitment ON THE DAY. The players just didn’t look like they were giving it their all out there.

    We can call it loss of form…but when it happens to the whole team on the same day…it’s something else and it should be addressed strongly.
    I do however agree that we need to BUY some “experienced” players to fix certain critical positions.

    That said…I was really disappointed with the crowd on Friday. The weather wasn’t so great so I understand the numbers but I’m more concerned with the behaviour of the people who actually made it to the stadium. NEWSFLASH : Cheering for your team doesn’t mean you are a drunk, a loudmouth or a hooligan…it’s been proven that it makes them play better. They don’t call it homeground advantage because of the grass…but because of the FANS. I was at the Shark-Tank and believe me the Sharks didn’t have any. If we want the boys to die for us on the field then maybe we should also do our bit on the stands.

  • Comment 52, posted at 23.06.08 10:35:06 by blackshark Reply

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  • @Oranje Orakel (Comment 38) :

    LoL…pay back for Steyn and Ruan….LoL…to mention only a few…

  • Comment 53, posted at 23.06.08 10:38:36 by Hmmm Reply

  • The Sharks are crap!

    Always have been, always will be…

  • Comment 54, posted at 23.06.08 10:39:30 by wpw Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 46) :

    He is a bully….and even a bully to his kid…a friend of mine saw him and his kid on the beach in Natal…and his kid was scared of the waves….he gooi’d his kid back into the sea several times and said he must be a man (yeh a lil boy must all of a sudden be a man)…the more the kid cried the more he continued throwing him into the sea…

  • Comment 55, posted at 23.06.08 10:41:01 by Hmmm Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 54) : Nice try 😈

  • Comment 56, posted at 23.06.08 10:41:45 by blackshark Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 54) :

    Wonder what that makes your team?

  • Comment 57, posted at 23.06.08 10:43:31 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • You cannot win rugby in the modern game, and under these ELV’s if you do not control the breakdown.

    You can have the best scrum, best line-out, most talented backs, but if you are going to lose the collissions specifically at the breakdown your team will no gain an inch.

    The Sharks were simply bullied off the ball at the rucks, and therefore either got slow possession, or turned over the ball.

    The only reason the Stormers smelled a 5th place in the Super 14 was because of the ridiculous amount of work the whole pack, not just the loosies, got through in getting the the break-downs and tackled area and climbed in.

    WP simply did just that, and it made a lot of very average players look really good, (on the WP side) and a lot of really talented Sharks players look decidedly poor.

    Fix this, and you will fix 70% of your problems – the other 30% will be fixed by dropping Stefan Terblanche.

  • Comment 58, posted at 23.06.08 10:44:06 by MorneN Reply
  • @Dive Pass (Comment 57) :

    Only slightly better than the LIONS….

  • Comment 59, posted at 23.06.08 10:47:10 by Hmmm Reply

  • @MorneN (Comment 58) : 🙂

  • Comment 60, posted at 23.06.08 10:49:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 58) :

    Rugby 101 – circa 2008, in a nutshell!

  • Comment 61, posted at 23.06.08 10:49:18 by Oranje Orakel Reply

  • Talking of collisions

    How is Kankofski?

    Wonder where did Del Fava learned to tackle like that?


  • Comment 62, posted at 23.06.08 10:51:01 by Oranje Orakel Reply

  • @Oranje Orakel (Comment 62) : seems he’s ok… might not make the tour, though

  • Comment 63, posted at 23.06.08 10:51:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Oranje Orakel (Comment 62) : By die Blou Bulle… 😳

  • Comment 64, posted at 23.06.08 10:52:34 by Charlie Reply

  • DP

    It makes us the most successful domestic rugby team in the history of SA rugby…

    32 CC titles…

  • Comment 65, posted at 23.06.08 10:53:28 by wpw Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 63) :

    Glad to hear he is OK- pity about the tour implications.

    @Charlie (Comment 64) : hehehe

  • Comment 66, posted at 23.06.08 10:55:15 by Oranje Orakel Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 65) :

    Ja I remember when Wales used to be the best rugby team in world….ah the good old days

  • Comment 67, posted at 23.06.08 10:55:34 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 65) :

    hehehe WPW

    History dont count Boet!

    how many Cups since 1994? ( and no RobD- this is in context- just bloGGing politics at stake here)

    1997- courtesy of Andre Watson


  • Comment 68, posted at 23.06.08 10:57:23 by Oranje Orakel Reply

  • @MorneN (Comment 58) :
    “You cannot win rugby in the modern game, and under these ELV’s if you do not control the breakdown.

    The Sharks were simply bullied off the ball at the rucks, and therefore either got slow possession, or turned over the ball”

    But the Sharks did win, What now? 😉

  • Comment 69, posted at 23.06.08 10:59:56 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Oranje Orakel (Comment 68) : Now you will get the “Historian’s” started… 🙄

  • Comment 70, posted at 23.06.08 11:02:33 by Charlie Reply

  • @Salmonoid (Comment 69) : Salmo… are you really satisfied with what the Sharks dished up?

  • Comment 71, posted at 23.06.08 11:05:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 70) : No don’t worry, I agreed with RD last week, we will leave history out! I promise 😉

  • Comment 72, posted at 23.06.08 11:06:56 by Sharksmad Reply

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    Does it really matter???

    WP have a REAL rugby heritage.

    We produce our own players and don’t need to poach or buy players to win the CC like certain unions. (and i’m not referring to the Mielie Farmers) :mrgreen:

  • Comment 73, posted at 23.06.08 11:07:50 by wpw Reply
  • @Salmonoid (Comment 69) : With that performance the Sharks would have been cleaned up by a half decent strength WP team. The Sharks won because they had much better players on the pitch, not because they played the better rugby.

  • Comment 74, posted at 23.06.08 11:09:10 by Flashman Reply

  • Rob and Willie…

    I cannot believe modern coaches today. In my mind 60% of each practice at club and higher levels should be geared towards equipping your guys to be effective in the contact situation, to clean out, and secure turn-overs.

    The game is won there.

    I read Rob’s frustration with he backs, but consider this.

    How is Barritt supposed to vary his play when the ball takes and average of 10 seconds to emerge from rucks? There are 3 things a flyhalf can do, attack the line, kick or pass. If he is supposed to manipulate defenses then the defense actually needs to be disrupted or you need to disrupt their organisation.

    What good is attacking a line when you have an organised defense in front of you? What good is passing when you are basically just giving the guy next to you the problem of trying to break the line you cannot with a solid line of defense in front of him hoping he can do better? And what is the good in kicking the ball when your wings dont chase for shit and the fans just blames you for kicking the ball away?

    You can only vary your game if what is in front of you varies, if it stays the same, i.e. the defense has time to settle and form?

    This happens with your forwards securing quick second and multiple phase possession.

    Same with inside center, outside center etc.

    I agree that Murray is running from touchline to touchline where when he started out, he ran beatifully straight and hit gaps. But an outside centers job is to hit the gaps created for him from plays on the inside, through the 10 and 12 and some dummy runners creating an outside or inside gap which he could possibly exploit.

    And all this comes back to securing, and dominating the contact situation at the breakdowns.

  • Comment 75, posted at 23.06.08 11:12:09 by MorneN Reply
  • Sorry Charlie — Minds think alike.
    Like you said – Have the bigger player to bash/ spot the gap like Halstead on the inside of Honeyball.

  • Comment 76, posted at 23.06.08 11:12:25 by Ernie Reply

  • @Charlie (Comment 70) :


    @wpw (Comment 73) :

    Point taken- just stiRRing the broth- counter clockwise!

  • Comment 77, posted at 23.06.08 11:12:27 by Oranje Orakel Reply

  • Morning all, finally manage to trick our IT and able to go onto site now.
    Some info is John defo coming back now.

  • Comment 78, posted at 23.06.08 11:20:12 by Debs Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 71) :
    Not really satisfied no, but I am willing to go with the coach on this one (see my post on the Sharks showed charachter thread) at this stage of the season. I certainly am not ready to tell the team and their management what useless gitts we perceive them to be after the first game of the competition, I dont think that helps anyones cause and especially not the players, who Im sure you hope read this blog.

    Morne is right, the Sharks did get slow possesion and were bullied off the ball but they did manage to win – so does that say more about the Sharks or about WP.

  • Comment 79, posted at 23.06.08 11:21:49 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 79) : Salmo, I’m in two minds here. Those of the players that read what I write (not sure if any of them do) will know how passionate I am about Sharks rugby and that I will always support them with every drop of blood I have. After a performance like that, though, I feel they deserve a roasting.

  • Comment 80, posted at 23.06.08 11:25:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • planning whatsoever going into player procurement at the Sharks….RS is your man, maybe unlike the Bok job in the sunshine, its taken years for his incompetence to be discovered…..

    Rob, its early days, and besides the nature of the competition ensures all major unions bar one make it to the semi’s so you have time to fine tune.

    You sound more pessimistic than i did come game 3 of the Super 14.

  • Comment 81, posted at 23.06.08 11:28:12 by Sauce Reply
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  • @Sauce (Comment 81) : I’m very worried that we have the Blue fucknuts at Loftus in a fortnight, Sauce. I don’t like losing to those assholes.

  • Comment 82, posted at 23.06.08 11:33:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Flashman (Comment 74) :
    I agree that a full strengt WP team would have cleaned ot the half strength Sharks team that played last Friday however I dont agree that we won because we had better players but that WP played the better rugby. Surely the team that plays the better rugby, with or without the better players, wins the game.

  • Comment 83, posted at 23.06.08 11:37:45 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • No one likes losing to the Bulls.

  • Comment 84, posted at 23.06.08 11:48:14 by Sauce Reply
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  • Just to rile you guys up a little:,%20Bulls%20make%20good%20start&id=258874

  • Comment 85, posted at 23.06.08 11:58:04 by molly Reply
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  • I missed the game so can’t really comment, but seems we did alot better than anticipated.

  • Comment 86, posted at 23.06.08 11:59:05 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 86) : or we did a lot worse :mrgreen:

  • Comment 87, posted at 23.06.08 12:00:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 85) : sorry I broke the page

  • Comment 88, posted at 23.06.08 12:02:00 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 85) : I swear Gavin Rich has been taking evening classes at the JJ Harsme School of One-Eyed Claptrap Pseudo-Journalism

  • Comment 89, posted at 23.06.08 12:02:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 87) : to be honest, I’m not happy with penalties making up 98% of our points. I’d rather we ran the ball in for tries.

  • Comment 90, posted at 23.06.08 12:03:04 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 90) : well, the decision to blow a full-arm penalty for every pernickity infringement at the breakdown is going to ensure that de Waal and Hougaard again emerge as Currie Cup MVPs… the fact that both are incredibly limited flahalves notwithstanding

  • Comment 91, posted at 23.06.08 12:04:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 1) :
    Finally you got to your senses. As a WP & Bolander I am happy to be in the current situation. Clearly the Sharks lot underestimate the WP terrible twins. Thats your secret with the ELVs. Still cant understand why that ref made that last desition. Thought the penalty would go the otherway for Carstens lying on the wrong side with his fat Landbou arse and not even try to get out of the way.

  • Comment 92, posted at 23.06.08 12:05:11 by PaarlBok Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 89) : yeah, WP writers ROCK! 😆

  • Comment 93, posted at 23.06.08 12:05:32 by molly Reply
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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 92) : didn’t you see the WP asshole doing a tapdance all over his face? Maybe you should open the other eye for a change? 😕

  • Comment 94, posted at 23.06.08 12:06:34 by robdylan Reply
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  • Good morning all! Back from my jaunt in the Kruger Park (although it resulted in me not being able to join the Fantasy League as I had no signal while there). Hope you all missed me!

    Rob – absolutely LOVE your article above! Couldn’t have said it better myself!

  • Comment 95, posted at 23.06.08 12:09:16 by Nessa Reply

  • @Sauce (Comment 84) : No one likes the Bulls

  • Comment 96, posted at 23.06.08 12:09:20 by PJLD Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 94) : Who was the player? Was it that bad?

  • Comment 97, posted at 23.06.08 12:09:37 by molly Reply
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  • Willem de Waal was bought to kick the ball, not to run it. We can look forwarrd to WP playing 10 man rugby for the next couple of weeks until the Boks return.

  • Comment 98, posted at 23.06.08 12:10:33 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Really sorry about Ryan’s injury on Saturday – poor guy. He will be out for a few weeks. Suppose it could have been worse. 🙁

  • Comment 99, posted at 23.06.08 12:11:11 by Nessa Reply

  • @Nessa (Comment 95) : you can still enter… you’ll get a default score for the first round.

    @molly (Comment 97) : I think it was the replacement lock (vd merwe?). It wasn’t the worst I’ve seen, but it was a boot to the head. The replay sowed the player looking down as he did it, so to my mind, there’s no doubt that it was intentional.

  • Comment 100, posted at 23.06.08 12:12:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 92) : And surely Paarlbok you are not happy with 98% of your points coming from penalties? I am really unhappy at the Sharks performance, but WP were not that much better! Whereas the Bulls looked good, I am worried. 😈

  • Comment 101, posted at 23.06.08 12:12:21 by Sharksmad Reply

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  • @Nessa (Comment 99) : could’ve been a LOT worse.

    @PJLD (Comment 96) : you visited ReitzWorld recently? 😉

  • Comment 102, posted at 23.06.08 12:13:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Sharksmad (Comment 101) : if WP were better, they’d have won the game 😉

  • Comment 103, posted at 23.06.08 12:13:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Sharksmad (Comment 72) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 104, posted at 23.06.08 12:13:58 by Charlie Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 100) :

    Thanks Rob – will make a plan to do so then.

    Hi Charlie!

  • Comment 105, posted at 23.06.08 12:15:48 by Nessa Reply

  • I read on the Sharks website that Monty Dummond is coming back for the CC?

  • Comment 106, posted at 23.06.08 12:16:29 by Nessa Reply

  • @Nessa (Comment 106) : that’s correct. He should be available for Friday’s game.

    He’s not a better flyhalf than Brad, though

  • Comment 107, posted at 23.06.08 12:17:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 64) :

    The tackle was not dirty…it was a perfectly lkegal tackle with an unfortunate bash of heads…and on that with the side of Del Fava’s head…so I doubt a headbut either…

  • Comment 108, posted at 23.06.08 12:19:41 by Hmmm Reply

  • @Sharksmad (Comment 101) :
    I am pretty confident for the Bulle game. Surely Rassie & Coetzee will have some special plans for that Brutes lot. The good thing about de Waal, we can sort of relax with all the rainy weather we are having. Think the Lions defense was not that good in the backs. This their normal one that need attention. If they can fix that they will be OK. Mametsa scoring three tries, you wont get that on Newlands.

  • Comment 109, posted at 23.06.08 12:20:11 by PaarlBok Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 107) :

    No, he isn’t better than Brad.

  • Comment 110, posted at 23.06.08 12:22:52 by Nessa Reply

  • According to the Sunday papers have quoted Plumtree saying that Barritt was playing with flu and a hurt back, so we cannot be harsh on the Chap! When is Michelak coming?

  • Comment 111, posted at 23.06.08 12:23:41 by Sharksmad Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 108) :

    I disagree with you there.

  • Comment 112, posted at 23.06.08 12:24:04 by Nessa Reply

  • @Sharksmad (Comment 111) :

    Hi Mad – I read about that on the Sharks site this morning. Surprised he played at all.

  • Comment 113, posted at 23.06.08 12:24:54 by Nessa Reply

  • @PaarlBok (Comment 109) : Yep fine for you, we are going to Loftus 😐 but at least they will come to ABSA when our SB are back!

  • Comment 114, posted at 23.06.08 12:29:04 by Sharksmad Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 102) : Well nobody really likes them either hey 😉

  • Comment 115, posted at 23.06.08 12:30:57 by PJLD Reply
  • @Nessa (Comment 113) : Ness he is a committed player, and always works. My worry is the Captain, now I like Muller, but he doesn’t seem to rally the troops so to speak!

    That tackle on Ryan was terrible, I seriously thought he was badly injured the way he flopped all over after the hit, but the fact that he was out cold I think is what saved him from greater injury, when he hit the ground!

  • Comment 116, posted at 23.06.08 12:34:37 by Sharksmad Reply

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  • @Sharksmad (Comment 114) :

    I dont know, the Bulle with Bakkies & Matfield, 🙄 Different animal.

  • Comment 117, posted at 23.06.08 12:35:06 by PaarlBok Reply

  • @Sharksmad (Comment 116) :

    I don’t know how Hmmm can say it was a clashing of the heads. That was most definitely a shoulder tackle – Ryan was already out before he hit the ground and as his head flopped over to the side they clashed heads. That was after the fact.

  • Comment 118, posted at 23.06.08 12:37:58 by Nessa Reply

  • @Hmmm (Comment 108) : So…it was a “horing tackle”…have seen it live myself @ Newlands… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 119, posted at 23.06.08 12:39:24 by Charlie Reply

  • Hallo Nessa… Welcome back… 😛

  • Comment 120, posted at 23.06.08 12:39:59 by Charlie Reply

  • @Charlie (Comment 120) :

    Was beginning to think you don’t want to chat to me. 🙁

  • Comment 121, posted at 23.06.08 12:42:02 by Nessa Reply

  • @PaarlBok (Comment 117) Damn I had forgotten those two!:oops: Isn’t Bakkies on his way to France? 😐

  • Comment 122, posted at 23.06.08 12:42:40 by Sharksmad Reply

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  • @Nessa (Comment 118) : It was terrible, I litterally held my breath till they took him off and I saw he was opening and closing his eyes. But I only started enjoying the game once they showed him sitting on the bench talking. The comentators were saying that it was a legal hit etc. but I don’t see how that could have been a legal hit, then Butch was unfairly penalised in the past! To Del Fava’s credit though he really did look penitent.

  • Comment 123, posted at 23.06.08 12:46:59 by Sharksmad Reply

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  • Hi Ness and Mad, i missed the Springbok game..did anybody tape it.
    Bakkies to France..thought he got out of it.

  • Comment 124, posted at 23.06.08 13:00:44 by Debs Reply

  • @Debs (Comment 124) : Hi Debs, I don’t know, I was asking haven’t followed the whole Bakkies saga after it went to court.

  • Comment 125, posted at 23.06.08 13:09:40 by Sharksmad Reply

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  • @Sharksmad (Comment 122) : And I had also forgotten Habana, now how could I do that! 😳

  • Comment 126, posted at 23.06.08 13:25:55 by Sharksmad Reply

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  • Oh well we all have our Bokke, so lets not get carried away with them at this moment. WP have to play them this weekend. Only a win will be good enough.

  • Comment 127, posted at 23.06.08 13:31:01 by PaarlBok Reply

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    If Rapport is correct then WP will be getting something like 5 Boks back this week. Do you think it will make a difference.

  • Comment 128, posted at 23.06.08 13:37:13 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • not sure how some can say it wasnt a dirty tackle???

    go look again and see if you can find an arm used in the tackle??

    it was shoulder and the head hit after

    i agree that it wasnt an intentional head butt

    but there was no arms int aht tackle which makes it ilegal and dangerous

  • Comment 129, posted at 23.06.08 13:43:00 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 129) : Agreed! and now on Keo they are all happy because Joe can now go on tour! I really like the Lions so will not attack them but some people show a provincialism that is really one eyed! Even going so far as to say that Mujati did better than Beast! But to wish someone hurt so you can have your favorite in the Boks seems crazy to me, and I say no wonder the ABs beat us routinely, we are our own worst enemies!

  • Comment 130, posted at 23.06.08 13:51:25 by Sharksmad Reply

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  • it was an unprofesional tackle…

  • Comment 131, posted at 23.06.08 13:55:42 by Alpha Male Reply

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  • @Sharksmad (Comment 130) : I guess it’s great that WE are not the ones who pick the squad then…


  • Comment 132, posted at 23.06.08 14:09:46 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 132) : I accuse others of provincialism, but if I was a selector 18 of the 22 players would be Sharks 😛

  • Comment 133, posted at 23.06.08 15:05:13 by Sharksmad Reply

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  • @Sharksmad (Comment 133) : Only 18? 🙂

  • Comment 134, posted at 23.06.08 15:08:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Sharksmad (Comment 133) :

    And who scored all the points on Saturday??? 😉

  • Comment 135, posted at 23.06.08 15:09:44 by Nessa Reply

  • @Sharksmad (Comment 133) :
    And then can you imagine how we would bitch and moan about what the Currie Cup team dished up.

  • Comment 136, posted at 23.06.08 15:14:32 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 136) :

    Nobody could ever bitch and complain more than the Bulls do. Last year they went on and on and on and on about being 10 or 11 players short due to Bok duty – meantime the Sharks were in exactly the same position.

  • Comment 137, posted at 23.06.08 15:18:47 by Nessa Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 134) : I’m thinking the same… 😆

  • Comment 138, posted at 23.06.08 15:20:03 by blackshark Reply

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  • @Nessa (Comment 137) :
    I know Nessa, but did they then turn on their own players as we have done – to such an extent that the webmaster at sharksrugby has had to switch off the comments facility.

  • Comment 139, posted at 23.06.08 15:24:25 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 139) :

    I was on leave last week and didn’t know about all this until now. I believe though that it was more a case of people turning on the team management that became the big problem.

    I would never turn on my boys!!! 😉 Occasionally I complain about lack of form but, like Rob, am just very frustrated at a team that has so much talent yet they never win the prize.

  • Comment 140, posted at 23.06.08 15:28:53 by Nessa Reply

  • Perhaps it has already been said, and if not it should have; but this article;-Nowhere near good enough, Sharks
    22.06.08 18:43:16 by robdylan has to sum up exactly the way I feel and have been to blind to see. I am sure that every dyed in the wool Shark fan will admit to this as well.
    We have made every excuse in the world for our beloved team, but no more!
    How much more should we endure for mediocrity, how many more times are we going to blame the ref, the weather, the bounce of the ball and the rub of the green?
    The faithful have become disenchanted, I feel for the long suffering season ticket holder. Up until 2005 when I left Durban I never missed a home game at the Tank. I would think twice now about traveling down to Durban to watch another game!
    The NRU should be grateful to it’s loyal supporters and the team should be ashamed of their recent performance.
    Although the Sharks won on Friday , they lost the plot.They will lose a lot more than that if they continue to serve up this brand of rugby.
    The fans will soon vote with their feet , and where will the union be without the patron’s bums in seats?

  • Comment 141, posted at 23.06.08 15:42:16 by Ragged Reply

  • It has become a tendency to rant and rave at a player whenever he has a bad game – how many derogatory comments have you read about Francois Steyn, Ruan Pienaar, Keegan Daniel, JPP, Adi to name but a few.

    On the issue of the administrators my views are simple. Im too far removed from the Sharktank to know whats going on. There are some though who come and blog and drop subtle hints and remarks about different administrators and how unhappy the players are etc because of these administrators, but these bloggers will then not expand on their claims. Why make claims and statements as fact if you are not willing to expand on what you say unless your objective is actually to cause dissent.

  • Comment 142, posted at 23.06.08 15:54:15 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Hi all,

    Can anyone tell me why we can’t blog on the ?? Is it just my pc or has that feature been turned off?

  • Comment 143, posted at 23.06.08 15:55:52 by Shark Baron Reply

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  • Nessa, 142 was in reply to your 140 comment.

  • Comment 144, posted at 23.06.08 15:58:44 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Shark Baron (Comment 143) :
    I contacted their webmaster and here is his reply, it ties in with what we have just been discussing:

    “Due to the possibility of legal action resulting out of comments made –
    Bloggers attacking individuals at the Sharks, be they players or members of
    management – we have taken the legal advice to remove the Blog for the
    immediate (but hopefully short-term) future.

    Sadly, the Blog becomes a free-for-all, where people can hide behind a
    pseudonym, a web-based email address and fictional phone number with no
    trace to the actual person, and then write what they want, giving no thought
    to the consequences of their speech which ranged from hateful to false to

    As webmaster, I am obviously disappointed that this tool has been removed
    from the site, but I fully support the action in the context of what people
    have turned it into.

    Obviously not everyone, and there are by and large great people writing
    good, interesting posts that were thought-provoking and rugby-related,
    playing the ball and not the man, but there were others. It’s not a case of
    removing criticism, but avoiding legal action. As always, the few spoil
    things for the many.

    I hope this clears things up for you.

    Michael *********

  • Comment 145, posted at 23.06.08 16:03:17 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Shark Baron (Comment 143) : the feature has been turned off. You can mail the webmaster at [email protected] for an explanation.

    Welcome to the site, BTW 🙂

  • Comment 146, posted at 23.06.08 16:04:06 by robdylan Reply
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  • The biggest problem with sports blog sites the world over is that people are allowed to post under a pseudonym. Which effectively means they think they can say whatever they like irrespective of who is reading it or whom they offend.

    People simply are not able to exercise self-control over the long-term if they ar eposting under a pseudonym.

  • Comment 147, posted at 23.06.08 16:55:16 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • I read that Naas Olivier is back training with WP. 😯 Thank heavens that we played them before he was available for them.

  • Comment 148, posted at 23.06.08 17:37:59 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 148) : I’m just glad bloody Adolf didn’t sign him! 😉

  • Comment 149, posted at 23.06.08 17:53:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • Just arrived back from Durban having traveled down on friday for the match. Thank goodness the rest of the week-end was fun, as the Rugby was really crap. So tired of listening and reading the same old, same old excuses.

    I cant agree more with your article, Rob, and I’m sure many other supporters feel the same. Im sure some hot entries followed onto the sharks blog on the official site, no wonder it was turned off.

    At least we can look forward to a win on Friday night against the Boland, or should I not speak to soon?

  • Comment 150, posted at 23.06.08 20:11:54 by MrG Reply

  • @MrG (Comment 150) :

    Wasn’t the Sharksrugby blog switched off well before The Match? Wednesday already or was it Thursday?

  • Comment 151, posted at 23.06.08 20:42:09 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 151) :
    Thursday or Friday – but definitely before the game.

  • Comment 152, posted at 24.06.08 08:30:48 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 145) : sorry guys it was my fault. i shouldn’t have attacked adolf and concentration camp steel wire. or pretty boy frans. or no mans land jp. or selfish ryan. or directionless stefan. or poor selection dick. i should have just let them ruin another season with stupid play. i mean who needs silverware anyway? it just takes up too much room in the beer glass cabinet.

  • Comment 153, posted at 24.06.08 08:34:57 by try time Reply

  • @try time (Comment 153) :
    😆 Big of you to own up, especially now that they are preparing to go the leagal route.

  • Comment 154, posted at 24.06.08 08:38:58 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 153) :

    Well now you know!

  • Comment 155, posted at 24.06.08 08:42:29 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • i thought the blog evened the bias of the site. the articles are so flattering of shit performances it bordered on fantasy. the blog showed the team their faults. the only way you improve is by knowing your weakness. it was funny the way most bloggers were agreeing on topics. sure indicator of problems. well no use crying over spilt milk. it is done.

  • Comment 156, posted at 24.06.08 08:42:34 by try time Reply

  • how long is the sharksrugby blog going to be down for ? whats this about legal action please someone full me in ?

  • Comment 157, posted at 24.06.08 09:26:04 by jjj1 Reply

  • @jjj1 (Comment 157) : I would think “indefnitely” is probably the answer to your first question. As for legal action, I don’t believe it’s actually anywhere near that point, although maybe TT should be careful when he hears a knock on his door 😉

    My understanding is that the blog was closed down on legal advice, based on the fact that the kind of comments posted there were not deemed appropriate to a site owned and operated by the Union. It’s not that anybody threatened to sue, rather that the lawyers could see trouble coming and decided to be proactive.

  • Comment 158, posted at 24.06.08 09:31:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • @jjj1 (Comment 157) :

    read 145, you sound worried – I previously said it in jest.

    robdylan I see that you “fixed” up my copy and paste job – thanks, my mistake.

  • Comment 159, posted at 24.06.08 09:33:40 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 159) : twasn’t me 😉

  • Comment 160, posted at 24.06.08 09:37:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • not worried ha ha , maybe it is a good idea shutting it down on a official site and leave the banter for fan sites like this one

  • Comment 161, posted at 24.06.08 09:41:36 by jjj1 Reply

  • @jjj1 (Comment 161) : yes. all-in-all, it just makes sense. Tell your friends 😉

  • Comment 162, posted at 24.06.08 09:48:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • although maybe TT should be careful when he hears a knock on his door

    Not so much for his comments but more so for his well no use crying over spilt milk. it is done couldn’t care less attitude about it. 😉

  • Comment 163, posted at 24.06.08 09:52:47 by KSA Shark © Reply

    KSA Shark ©
  • Robd/KSA
    What is happening with your team…good on paper but nowhere on field….they never looked convincing in the S14 barring the game against the Chiefs…

    What up…should someone not drop a few players!??!

  • Comment 164, posted at 24.06.08 10:05:47 by Hmmm Reply

  • @Hmmm (Comment 164) : I heard a crazy rumour that some guys can’t get dropped, no matter what they do

  • Comment 165, posted at 24.06.08 10:17:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Hmmm (Comment 164) :

    Yeah but none of the ones that need dropping players for the Sharks………….. 😉

  • Comment 166, posted at 24.06.08 10:20:47 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 163) : touche i believe is the term i should use.

  • Comment 167, posted at 24.06.08 10:42:04 by try time Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 165) :

    Well then I feel sorry for Sharks Rugby…no too much hope…

  • Comment 168, posted at 24.06.08 10:44:00 by Hmmm Reply

  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 166) :


  • Comment 169, posted at 24.06.08 10:45:00 by Hmmm Reply


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