The Springbok selectors have named the national squad for the Vodacom Tri-Nations away matches against New Zealand and Australia.
Superrugby reports that South Africa will be involved in back-to-back Test matches against New Zealand on 5 July in Wellington and 12 July in Dunedin. The team completes its overseas commitments of the tournament on 19 July against the Wallabies in Perth.
Six players will undertake their first Vodacom Tri-Nations tour to Australasia; Odwa Ndungane, Andries Bekker, Ryan Kankowski ,Tendai Mtawarira, Brian Mujati and Luke Watson.
The touring squad comprises 13 backs and 15 forwards. The bulk of the touring party departs on Thursday from the OR Tambo International Airport in Johannesburg and they will be followed by a smaller contingent of mainly team management members the following day.
Captain John Smit will complete his club commitments in France over the weekend and he will join his team mates early next week in Wellington.
The full Springbok squad for the Vodacom Tri-Nations away leg:
Backs:
Bolla Conradie, Jean de Villiers, Peter Grant, Butch James, Conrad Jantjes, Adrian Jacobs, Enrico Januarie, Bryan Habana, Percy Montgomery, Odwa Ndungane, JP Pietersen, Ruan Pienaar, Francois Steyn
Forwards
Andries Bekker, Bakkies Botha, Schalk Burger, Bismarck du Plessis, Ryan Kankowski, Tendai Mtawarira, Brian Mujati, Victor Matfield, Pierre Spies, Juan Smith, John Smit (captain), Gurthro Steenkamp, CJ van der Linde, Joe van Niekerk, Luke Watson
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C’mon man – WE’VE BEEN HAVING IT!!
Kankowski is there. 😎
lol PJLD
I hope Kanko is fully recovered. We need him at his best.
JP Pietersen???? 😯
Wow! Odwa actually made it.
And so too JPP.
Well, i feel for Chavs but he didn’t take his chances against Wales.
Not a bad squad at all.
Backs
WP = 6
Sharks = 5
Bulls = 1
Europe = 1
Forwards
WP = 4
Bulls = 4
Sharks = 4 (including John Smit)
Cheetahs = 2
Lions = 1
who all was left out?
Brits, Chavs and Bobo, who else?
So who didn’t make it?
Chavangha
Bobo
Danie PK
Schalk Brits
I suppose the majority on this site will be happy cos most of them are Stormers… 👿
@wpw (Comment 9) : those are fair players to leave out tho…
I know…
Dammit, i was trying to catch a few guppies!!!
@molly (Comment 10) : agreed
No BJ?
@molly (Comment 10) : I made it… 😳 wishful thinking… 🙄
@wpw (Comment 9) :
But that is the law of averages. By that reasoning the Cheetahs and Lions should be cheering their arses off becasue NONE of their players got dropped. 😉
So if Adi gets injured does that mean Steyn will cover 12/13???
JDV to move to 13 to accommodate the overrated mop-head?
Mujati
@PJLD (Comment 13) :
😯 missed that.
I hope al players not touring are allowed to play CC and we don’t get some kak “conditioning” excuses.
Where is BJ Botha? Surely the selectors do not consider Mjati and Steenkamp better props. JP back in the mix at the expense of Bobo.
No real surprises apart from BJ’s exclusion .
oh wait – Mujati is there and BJ isn’t… odd
@wpw (Comment 16) : nah, Grant can stand in at 12, not the mop head 😆
@robdylan (Comment 20) : odd… 🙄 I get into trouble for saying things so best I keep my trap shut! 😉
@wpw (Comment 16) : 10. Grant 12. James 13. JDV… 😉 22.Steyn 😐
@Ragged (Comment 19) :
I would say JPP is there at Chavhanga’s expense
good news is that WP chances have severely improved this weekend.
@molly (Comment 21) : That hair style is still fashion… 😆
So who is back for who in the CC?
WP have
Brits
Chavhanga
Bobo
Sharks have
BJ
Bulls have
PK
who have i missed?
Mujati ahead of BJ Botha…….get real!!
JJP??? Well the wing cupboard consists of one superstar and then all the rest who are currently not of international standard.
No Danie Rossouw? 😆
@Dive Pass (Comment 28) :
Mametsa must be pissed that he doesn’t play for WP. 🙄 If he had he would have been “talked/written” into the team a long time ago 😉
wee hoo guys are sticking to the topic. excellent. yeah bj’s exclusion is wierd. mujati was shocking in the games he played. but then i don’t think bj’s heart has been in it recently. he doesn’t seem to be the bj of 2008. but after jannie’s performance on friday i am surprised he isn’t in the set up.
@KSA Shark © (Comment 24) : JP at least has some credentials, form is temporary class is permanent, apart from pace Chavhanga has nothing!
as for jp all i will say rather him messing up there than in the sharks. the sharks need silverware and can’t afford to carry players. pity odwa got the nod. the sharks need him to cover fullback when stefan goes on one of his aimless kick and runs.
@KSA Shark © (Comment 30) :
🙂 ….. true
@try time (Comment 33) : agree
@try time (Comment 33) & @robdylan (Comment 35) : the sharks need a miracle 😉
WP needs some decent players 😥
@try time (Comment 33) : The aimless kick and runs seems to be contagious amongst SA fullbacks. Most of them do it and there is no variation.
@Ragged (Comment 32) :
I have no problem with his selection. 🙂 was just stating that i think he is there in place of Chavhanga rather than in place of Bobo. 🙂
@try time (Comment 33) :
hey stick to the topic please, this is a bok thread not a Shark thread. 🙄
kinda disappointed that we’ve lost both Odwa and JP.
At least hopefully we’ll get to see Mvovo now…
@Ragged (Comment 32) : Agreed. Nokwe did as much in the Super 14 as Chavanga but didn’t get a mention coz he didn’t play for the Goats!
@robdylan (Comment 40) : Maybe Keegan on the wing? 😛 😉
@Villie (Comment 42) : Craig Burden… 🙂
@Villie (Comment 41) : oh, please, I wish I hadn’t read that… you can only compare the pace between the two, what they contributed in a game is COMPLETELY different.
@molly (Comment 36) : You have got Bobo and Chavhanga back… WP just need a pack.
can’t believe they left put bj, i wonder what the reason is
@KSA Shark © (Comment 39) : sorry ksa.
@molly (Comment 44) : Check the stats. Nokwe was tied 4th highest try scorer this season. And if you watched the games, he was a much improved player and actually had a decent season.
I’m not suggesting he is Bok class but comparing him to Chavhanga!
@Villie (Comment 48) : I think Nokwe has improved, but I still feel that he’s only there to get tries, as soon as he needs to defend or do any more, he disappears. He never once ran back to cover defend when, more often than not he let an attacker through. Chavanga was involved ALOT more than him, he wasn’t only on the end of a try making movement, he made the try. Nokwe just had to run, that was it, nothing else.
Ah, there you go, got me going again. I’m not a fan of Nokwe, think he needs to do more.
@try time (Comment 33) : I wish there was a stat for percentage of retained up and unders. Terblanche would have topped that list for S14
@flop (Comment 50) : i doubt it. but i would prefer seeing him top the most balls retained and carried up field list.
Chavangha was the best SA wing in the S14 by a country mile. He loses out to Odwa (who aint that bad) and JPP who hasn’t scored a try since the beginning of the season.
Nokwe’s defence is atrocious. Chavs loses out cos he was poor against Wales.
In fact, JPP hasn’t scored a try this ENTIRE season…
In competitive games that is…
And yet he gets selected for the Boks.
Steyn has been inconsistent whole season and he starts at 10 ahead of Grant even tho he hasn’t played there consistently in ages.
@flop (Comment 50) :
And Benjamin would have been at the foot of the list.
@wpw (Comment 53) :
You can’t really take the team against Italy as a true team. i would have called that team experimental.
I don’t think PdV would play Steyn ahead of Grant in a real test match.
We all saw this coming, right? 😐
Huh blackshark???
@wpw (Comment 52) :
@wpw (Comment 53) :
I wholeheartedly agree.
Luckily the coach is a WP man.
@wpw (Comment 53) : Is the Durban mafia, I tell you. 😉
I seriously don’t believe the Bok management has thought through the tighthead prop position.
You have Mujati and CJ van Linde as tightheads. Mujati play one match against Wales and was dropped, presumably for poor scrummaging. CJ van Linde made a second string Italian front look good ( I know scrumming isn’t one man but the tighthead is the anchor).
So we maybe not able to compete with New Zealand is the scrums and we will not be able to dominate Australia when others have been able to do that to them.
@ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 59) : Mujati over BJ? 😉
@Dive Pass (Comment 60) : I think BJ’s being punished for signing a contract to go to Ireland.
@robdylan (Comment 61) : To make it look like the Cape mafia.
@ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 63) : cunning, these Durbanites 😉
All i can say is that we need to get worried if PDV selects Mujati at 3 against the AB’s.
I don’t have a problem with Beast cos his scrumming has improved tremendously.
Thank goodness Schalk Brits aint in the squad.
@ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 63) :
@wpw (Comment 65) : my real issue here is that CJ is clearly also considered a better prop than BJ… it’s complete fiction.
Only real shockers are Jp and Bj, the rest isn’t to bad. I still think we going to get smacked by the AB’s.
@robdylan (Comment 67) :
Maybe CJ and his agent played their cards very well with this whole “singing” for a European Club story, which De Villiers told CJ he would discuss with him on 3N tour?
@Dive Pass (Comment 69) : yeah… maybe CJ watched and learned from how badly BJ cocked it up and decided to change tack
@wpw (Comment 65) :
Thank goodness Schalk Brits aint in the squad. 😯 and I thought you were a BIG fan or are you glad he is available for WP.
Were in big KAK in the midfield, imagine my nerves if I have to watch Nonu run at Adi all day
Ruan shouldn’t be there either.What the hell was he doing throwing the ball forward on Saturday
@Pokkel (Comment 72) :
I know I am going to get big flak from the anti-Steyn brigade but I believe the midfield should be De Villiers and Steyn.
@Dive Pass (Comment 74) : I would rather have Steyn there. Adi is great against lesser opposition. We cannot win in New Zealand playing expansive rugby,we will get murdered. We need to put pressure on the half backs and tackle like there is no tomorrow. The only way to beat the AB’s is by putting them under a lot of pressure early on.
@Dive Pass (Comment 74) : Fine so long as its not 10.Steyn 12.DeVilliers
@PJLD (Comment 76) :
No Butch is 10….
Are we sure of JPP…is that not maybe a printing error?
BJ omission more interesting cosidering other thread:
“Just imagine the Springboks without BJ Botha, Victor Matfield, Bakkies Botha, Jean de Villiers, Schalk Burger and Percy Montgomery,” Erasmus said on Monday.
Still no JFourie!???!???!??!
No REAL back up at 13…
No one is a TEST standard 13…so if Adi gets injured we are screwed…
Yes I agree Bobo does not solve that problem…but still…
@Dive Pass (Comment 74) :
i won’t give you any kak. 😉
And No BJ…
And how in the life of anyone that knows rugby is Mujati still there…
@Pokkel (Comment 73) : The same thing JdV did when he threw the ball forward a couple of minutes earlier in the same game. So why is everyone jumping on Ruan for his fumble but not saying a word about JdV?
@Dive Pass (Comment 74) :
Or maybe the other way around…JdV has more than enough pace for a 13…he showed his pace on Sat when he chace4d up on def and players of the likes of Bobo only got into the TV frame after the tackle had already been made…he would be like a Mortlock…just a bit more athletic…
@Hmmm (Comment 80) : Agree.With Steyns current form I would love to have Fourie there..I would sleep a lot better at night.I thought Chavanga was great in the Super 14,but did nothing in the tests against Wales. And his defense is also suspect. With all his mistakes JPP’s defense was always solid
@Hmmm (Comment 84) :
And Steyn can take pressure of Butch as a kicking 12 nad there will be less pressure on Steyn at 12 kicking which means 60/70 meters a kick…..
@Dancing Bear (Comment 83) : At least JdV have done a lot of good inbetween
@Pokkel (Comment 87) : Come on Pokkel, Ruan was only on the field for 15 minutes, JdV for 80, he had lots more opportunity to do some good. I am not putting down JdV but honestly, putting down Ruan for one fumble is a joke, especially when the same mistake is not criticized when other players do it.
I thought that Ruan would be the best thing to hit springbok rugby since Die Lem. He has done NOTHING to impress me this year.
@Dancing Bear (Comment 88) : I am not refering to that one game. see previous post
@Dancing Bear (Comment 83) :
Hey DB.
How’s the atlantic crossing going?
When do you arrive in DBN? 😉
@Pokkel (Comment 89) : That’s because he has been screwed around almost as much as Steyn.
@Pokkel (Comment 89) : sad to say it, but I agree with you
@KSA Shark © (Comment 91) : hehehe not a chance KSA, if the Sharks could only barely scrape a win on my b-day, there is no way I am going to go watch them live, they will only play worse. 😆
@robdylan (Comment 93) : what do you know, you told me that BJ would be in the tri-nations ahead of Mujati. 😆
To my mind Steyn,Ruan and JPP should go back to the Sharks and play CC for the rest of the year.
@Pokkel (Comment 85) :
Yeh and JFourie is bigger and better than ever…he picked up 9kg from the WC…and heard he is a yard or two faster too…
@Pokkel (Comment 96) :
Steyn???? Then who is going to play in the Bok midfield?? Grant and De Villiers?
@Hmmm (Comment 97) : Did he really gain 9kg? That a hell of a lot if not fat.
Quite honestly J Fourie is the only 13 in SA rugby worthwhile right now.
And even with the poor season Ruan had, he is still head and shoulders better than Conradie.
Steyn wants to play 10. What did Adi do wrong to deserve all this criticism?
The guy did well enuf against Wales. Lets see how he goes against the AB’s.
If he stuffs up then by all means drop him but give the guy a break.
At least it aint Bobo or even worse Meisiekind!
Now for all those people that told me that there was no way Mujati would make the Tri-Nations squad ahead of BJ, can I bitch about it now? Mujati is a joke of a tighthead, and shouldn’t even be there ahead of Jannie, let alone BJ.
@ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 99) : I wonder if he’ll develop blood clots in his lungs…
DB
Ruan is average as a scrumhalf. He had a very poor S14 and should not even be going on tour.
He probably made it due to his versatility…
@Dancing Bear (Comment 101) :
If ever Ruan was accused of murder, forget getting the best advocates in the land to defend him…..get DB to defend him 😉
@wpw (Comment 102) : agree
@wpw (Comment 105) :
I agree he has not been all that and said earlier that his vers will get him in…
@robdylan (Comment 104) : hehehe
#
Yeh and JFourie is bigger and better than ever…he picked up 9kg from the WC…and heard he is a yard or two faster too…
Comment 97, posted at 24.06.08 16:27:24 by Hmmm
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Is this the same sauce who told you Mujati got pushed back 24 times against the Lions in the S14???
@wpw (Comment 102) :
Yeh Adi did nothing wrong…did nothing great but was solid enough to get another chance…
But that don’t mean we can play around with otions…
I actually think Meisikind is a better choice than Bobo (but need to put on record that neither are a great choice)…
@Dive Pass (Comment 106) : Nah, I suck as a lawyer. I am just not quite as ready to discard a very talented player as others seem to be. Also, the other choice for backup scrumhalf is Conradie (since Kockett and Vermaak did not make the squad) and even as bad as Ruan’s season was, he is still a better scrumhalf than Conradie. Now if either Kockett or Vermaak were an option, I would not argue their inclusion ahead of Ruan.
can any of you WP fans explain the light blue and maroon stripes on the WP socks?
Hmmm
I think Bobo was only there becos we didn’t have any other options.
He had a solid S14 but if Fourie was available he would never have made the squad against Wales and Italy.
PDV should really have contacted Marius Joubert. He is in good nick and would have added some much needed power, pace and experience at 13.
@wpw (Comment 110) : 10 points 😉
@wpw (Comment 110) :
Nope…I was the source that counted the number of scrums in the last S14 game and the 1st game against Wales…and every scrum Mujati was in he went backwards…or at least the oppo team from him got a left shoulder…
Especially the game vs the LIONS were there were quite a number of scrums…but Mujati was dropped after 60 min cozz he could not cope any longer…
What about that comment I made do you not agree with…go check his current weight and look to see if you can find his WC player stats…he was 88 kg then…
113 Rob:
Stellenbosch’s colours dude… that is how we prevent them from joining Boland. 😯
@robdylan (Comment 113) :
Shhhhhh Rob….that’s the Skelmbosch branch of the family exerting its power in the Cape mafia
@wpw (Comment 114) :
I agree….we are very weak at 13 currently…no depth at all….
@robdylan (Comment 113) : Maties colours?
Ag Rob, what can i say??? 🙄
I ever there was a ‘rugbykenner’ on Sharksworld it can likes to be me.
For instance, did you know that the tighthead prop wears #3 on his back and the loosehead prop wears #1?
Hmmm
Did you put Jaques on a scale???
@ra-cheltjie de’ be-er (Comment 99) :
Jip….unless his weight is incorrect for the S14 2008 squad…
Seems he spent a lot of time in the gym while injured…or something…
He did not look fat or lump in the 2 S14 matches he played in….
@wpw (Comment 121) : I know someone that doesn’t! 🙂
So howcome the Maties colours are on the WP socks? There must be an interesting historical reason. Anyone know it?
@wpw (Comment 122) :
Yeh every morning before he takes a wiz!??!
The 2008 S14 squad has him as 97kg…and he was only 88kg last year…yes hard to believe as he showed a heck of a lot of power in the Bok jersey…so not bad for a light guy…
Or unless Jaques lied when they asked him!???! If they don’t weigh him themselves…
I just overheard something very interesting. Watching the Sharks-WP game again. Kockott says to the ref, while lining up a kick: “if I put the ball on the tee, then just nudge it off, pick it up and run, does that count as a kick?”
Ref says: “no, you have to kick at poles”… but he didn’t sound very convinced.
So, KSA, what’s the truth?
And happy for Joe…he is taking his chances…
@Hmmm (Comment 127) : me too. He was great on Sat. I’d like him in Sharks colours if he’s going to play like that
Cheers guys…see you tomorrow…
@robdylan (Comment 126) :
I was always lead to understand that it wasn’t allowed, as you would get unfair advantage as all the players have to retreat behind the tryline when there is an attempted kick for poles.
@robdylan (Comment 126) : Rob, many years ago one of the teams I played for had a play on a kick for poles. If the kick was from a hard angle, the opposite wing would stand on the far touchline, and the kicker would not even try for goal but would kick cross field to the wing. Worked most of the time. Kicker would say I was going for goal but missed it badly.
@robdylan (Comment 128) :
No…as a LION I don’t have much to be proud of…so leave hin in the red and white…
@Dive Pass (Comment 130) : Players only have to retreat 10 metres for penalty kicks for goal, not behind the goal line. Players only have to retreat behind the goal line if the penalty was given inside 10 metres from the goal line or on a conversion attempt.
@Dive Pass (Comment 130) : do they have to?
@Hmmm (Comment 116) : So he got fat dude
@Dancing Bear (Comment 133) :
Ok interesting thks….
@Dancing Bear (Comment 133) : exactly. And the ball is live again the moment it has been kicked. So I don’t see why what Kockott wanted to do was illegal
My understanding of the laws is that once you ask the referee for a shot at goal, the kicker is expected to attempt a kick at goal. The problem is how much can a kicker miss a kick before the referee says he was not even trying for goal.
@robdylan (Comment 137) : See post 138. I think if he just nudged if off the tee, the referee can easily say he did not attempt a kick at goal. However, if he kicks cross field to his wing, he can argue that he missed the kick badly.
The assistant referees are no longer on the touch lines, so they can not make the call if the kick goes into touch. I think there are issues with not at least attempting to kick at goals.
Anyone remember the “stormers” game where bob handed the ball to braam and the other team thought he was going for poles and they ran it? They got a try from it, it was awesome.
@molly (Comment 141) : I have seen this in several games. I think if you do not ask the referee for an attempt at goal, it is perfectly alright to do that, however, once the referee signals for a shot at goal, the tap and go is no longer an option.
To be honest besides anything else that sounds like blatant cheating… Bit like the irish try against us!
@molly (Comment 141) : ‘hehehe all he did was take his scrum cap off and everyone fell for it.
@Dancing Bear (Comment 142) : oh ok… then the stormers are not that cool 😳 😥
@molly (Comment 141) : that trick was first pulled by Hugh Reece-Edwards 😉
@beez (Comment 143) : hey dude… how are the plans coming along?
@molly (Comment 145) : As long as a team does not do this too often, it is very effective and any team to pull it off must be very cool! 😉 This is a “no more than once a season” play.
@robdylan (Comment 146) : Sorry Rob, that trick was done by many teams before Hugh Reece-Edwards was even born. It’s old, and works.
@Dancing Bear (Comment 148) : and I think it has to be a player like Braam, Hougaard could pull it off too, maybe even Steyn, but then he’ll be 60 metres out and they may have cottoned on.
21.5 SCORING A GOAL FROM A PENALTY KICK
(a) A penalty goal can be scored from a penalty kick.
(b) If the kicker indicates to the referee the intention to kick at goal, the kicker must kick at goal. Once the kicker has made the
intention clear, there can be no change of the intention. The
referee may enquire of the kicker as to the intention.
(c) If the kicker indicates to the referee the intent to kick at goal, the opposing team must stand still with their hands by their sides
from the time the kicker starts to approach to kick until the ball is
kicked.
@molly (Comment 150) : I don’t see why someone like Kockett could not pull it off as well. Kockett does not usually kick for touch, only for poles on penalties, so once the captain hands the ball to Kockett, the opposition must be thinking it is a kick for goals. As long as the referee has not signaled for goal, Kockett taps and goes, don’t see why that would not work as well as any of the ones you mention above.
@Dive Pass (Comment 151) : doesn’t really cover it…
@Dive Pass (Comment 151) : Right. So the play we had where the kicker did a cross kick to the wing was not necessarily legal, but how can the referee argue if the kicker says “I tried for goal but missed badly”. I think nudging off the tee is pretty obviously not an attempt at goal.
@robdylan (Comment 153) : Why not?
@robdylan (Comment 153) :
“Once the kicker has made the intention clear, there can be no change of the intention”… if he just kicks it off the tee, he has changed his intentions and wants to run the ball.
@Dancing Bear (Comment 155) : it doesn’t explicitly say anything about what constitutes a kick at goal…
@Dive Pass (Comment 156) : ok, I guess you could look at it that way
@robdylan (Comment 157) : So how do you define a kick at goal Rob, and what happens if the kicker says he missed the kick?
21.7 WHAT THE OPPOSING TEAM MUST DO AT A
PENALTY KICK
(a) Must run from the mark. The opposing team must
immediately run towards their own goal line until they are at least
10 metres away from the mark for the penalty kick, or until they
have reached their goal line if that is nearer the mark.
(b) Must keep running. Even if the penalty kick is taken and the
kicker’s team is playing the ball, opposing players must keep
running until they have retired the necessary distance. They must
not take part in the game until they have done so.
(c) Kick taken quickly. If the penalty kick is taken so quickly that
opponents have no opportunity to retire, they will not be
penalised for this. However, they must continue to retire as
described in 21.7(b) above or until a team mate who was 10 metres
from the mark has run in front of them, before they take part in
the game.
(d) Interference. The opposing team must not do anything to delay
the penalty kick or obstruct the kicker. They must not
intentionally take, throw or kick the ball out of reach of the kicker
or the kicker’s team mates.
@molly (Comment 150) : “maybe even Steyn, but then he’ll be 60 metres out and they may have cottoned on”. 😀 or they will all be in awe with their eyes upturned to the heavens expecting the ball to clear the crossbar.
@Dancing Bear (Comment 159) : I wouldn’t allow what Kockott wanted to do if I was the ref… but the laws don’t seem to be too clear. I think it’s a loophole
@robdylan (Comment 162) : Like I said Rob, a team I used to play with had a play to take advantage of that. Not nudging off the tee, but kicking cross field instead of at goal. Kicker would say he missed the kick badly.
@robdylan (Comment 162) : The problem is one can not really write the laws to cover every eventuality. One has to allow for a very poor kicker to miss and miss badly.
@Dancing Bear (Comment 163) : you could always slip and just roll the ball forward along the ground… the guy holding the ball could jump up and grab it… it would work quite well
@Dancing Bear (Comment 164) : I could take the kicks… it wouldn’t even be intentional then 😉
@robdylan (Comment 166) : 😀
@robdylan (Comment 166) : Since I was a hooker I can say this. Just let a prop or hooker kick for goals, all misses would be unintentional, not matter how bad.
Clearly the law does have loopholes, but I am not sure how to close this particular loophole. since the law only requires an “attempt” at goal, and not success. I am sure there can be very broad definitions of what an “attempt” at goal is.
I don’t think it would be worth the effort.
Hey rob, will be somewhere near kent in august, will try make a plan to pop in for a beer
How is the training going with the seven oaks rugger team rob?
@beez (Comment 171) : hasn’t started yet 😉
Good squad and this is gonna be one helluva Tri-Nations..can’t wait!
@robdylan (Comment 126) :
Here’s MY answer.
21.5 SCORING A GOAL FROM A PENALTY KICK
(b) If the kicker indicates to the referee the intention to kick at goal, the kicker must kick at goal. Once the kicker has made the
intention clear, there can be no change of the intention. The
referee may enquire of the kicker as to the intention.
The portion in Bold is the portion I would apply. If he doesn’t kick at goal as it would be obvious in this case, the opposing team would have a scrum put in at the place of the “kick”
dinner time, back in a bit
I played in a match a few years ago, in which we were awarded a penalty in much the same place as Kockett’s match winning kick. Our kicker took up the ball and pointed towards the post but said to the ref “I’m taking a quick tap sir”, out of earshot of the opposition. They saw his signal and turned their backs on him.
He used this opportunity to throw a lovely looped pass to our flyer of a winger who was haring down the touchline.
Unfortunately the referee took umbrage with us for our piece of gamesmanship and awarded a penalty to our opponents on the grounds of ungentlemanly conduct.
I suppose our plight depended on how gentlemanly the referee was; in this instance he was a man with a penchant for tweed and a weakness for pipe tobacco.
The following season we came up with a less devious ploy from a similar position.
This time I was the kicker and the same flyer of wing was on the touchline opposite. My job was to line up for a kick at posts as usual but to kick the ball across field into the arms of our galloping winger.
What happen was that I miskicked the ball and sent it somewhere in between the post and our winger and ended up looking like a bit of a twit.
A few days later, one of my team mates and I were in the sauna at the gym (my favourite part of the gym) and in walked an England rugby player. Deciding not to waste this opportunity we put our plan to the man, who had a few caps for England at centre.
He said that he had used exactly this ploy whilst playing at university, him on the receiving end of the kick, and it had worked perfectly, twice.
We asked why he didn’t employ the tactic for England and he said that he had suggested it but England’s ultra-conservative coaching staff would have none of it.
Perhaps we should put it to Butch to try it out against the All Blacks.
@PJLD (Comment 135) :
Well he got even more strength with that fat…I don’t know of any other centre than tossed the Chiefs loose-forwards around at pace…
Plus he got fatter…WoW…we should put everyone on that diet….don’t you agree!??!
@Hmmm (Comment 178) : “Diet”…he he
@robdylan (Comment 179) :
How else do you know me Robd….bit of sarcasm…