Old rules or new rules? Or new new rules?

Written by Jonathan Burt (VinChainSaw)

Posted in :Original Content on 2 Jul 2008 at 16:18
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So picture the scene. The biggest game of the year. The World champs against the best team in the world over the last 4 years.

The mighty Springboks versus the All Blacks. The stuff of legends, potentially a game that will be talked about for years to come. The clash of titans, the breakfast of champions, the old grudge match, the only one we really care about winning at all costs.

Yet this time around the likes of Paddy o’Brien have decided this huge game should be played with another one or two additional hurdles.

Like bogeys in my nose, this is just plain irritating.

Why would they do this?

I’m all for ELVs. I was a sceptic in the beginning but have become quite fond of seeing guys on the field run until they simply cannot breathe anymore. It’s fun. Make the players earn their keep I say!

However, the manner in which the latest chapter of this diabolical story has started, however, is simply not right in my opinion.

These two new ELVs have hardly been tested and have certainly not been tested at a high enough level to warrant inclusion in the biggest game of the year.

Love ’em or hate ’em, this implementation is simply not acceptable in the professional era.

So much of a rugby player’s play is instinctive, honed from many years of playing the game. Asking them to stop and think which of the 5 sets of rules they’d be breaking is a bridge too far for most rugby players, especially those playing in the pack.

The question that really begs to be asked is why the IRB just don’t allow the current ELVs to bed down before introducing some more. And then surely these should be stress-tested over time to ensure they are in the best interests of the game?

What will happen if they don’t work on Saturday? Will the ref use his discretion and stop blowing the new infringement in order to keep the game special and interesting to the fans?

It seems an unnecessary risk to me to bring in these two additional ELVs without adequate testing and in a game of this magnitude.

Paddy o’Brien, this is not good enough. Not nearly good enough.

You’re alienating current fans and I very much doubt you are bringing in new ones. If I don’t understand what is going on then I very much doubt any new fans starting to watch now will have any clue.

And you’re playing with fire if you take chances and ruin games such as the one on the weekend. There are only a handful of special games each season. This is one of them. Why not introduce these ELVs in a Scotland-USA game? Or at the very least give them an extended run in next year’s Super14 competition, seen as you’re intent on having that be ground zero for every new gimmick you can think of.

Terribly irresponsible and risky. Maybe better to can the idea, can Incompetence o’Brien and start afresh next year with staff that can actually implement a project of this magnitude smoothly and efficiently and not have the inconsistent shambles we currently have.


  • Vin’s on the charge again…Agreed 🙂

  • Comment 1, posted at 02.07.08 16:21:13 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Og all the games they could choose I just don’t see how they could choose this one.
    Why not wait until the end of the 3N?

    What the hell is the rush?

  • Comment 2, posted at 02.07.08 16:22:03 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • Never thought about it that way,but why try somethimng new in a game of such importance

  • Comment 3, posted at 02.07.08 16:24:30 by Pokkel Reply
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  • The game is gonna be huge and if a wrong interpretation of the laws by either the palyers or the ref cost the Boks their 1st win in 10 years in NZ you gonna see a lot of very annoyed and possibly drunk and violent Springbok fans.

  • Comment 4, posted at 02.07.08 16:26:51 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 4) :

    Exactly my point.
    Or very upset kiwis if the opposite happens.

    I’m just upset that they’re prepared to fuck around with the rules in the greatest game between the two best teams on the planet.

    And it’s test rugby FFS. No place to experiment.

  • Comment 5, posted at 02.07.08 16:28:30 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 5) : Not to worried about the upset Kiwis..but the other thing is that they are also playing for the no 1 ranking in the world and both teams have something to prove.. Nice one Vin now I’m even more nervous about the game

  • Comment 6, posted at 02.07.08 16:31:44 by Pokkel Reply
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  • yeah – he’s spot on.

    And the flavour they’re playing in the Currie Cup are a dog’s breakfast. Particularly in tandem with the IRB “directive” on blowing the breakdown to death.

  • Comment 7, posted at 02.07.08 16:32:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • My biggest problem is the chop and changing of the rules….it is almost from one week this to the next week that…

    Look at the SH sides…played restricted ELV’s in S14…2 weeks later fro 3 weeks the old rules with instruction that ref’s should be stricter at breakdown…
    2 weeks later again…different set of ELV’s!??!

    The games are going to be messy and the ref’s are gonna get more wrong…and that does not make for great viewing…

  • Comment 8, posted at 02.07.08 16:33:15 by Hmmm Reply

  • I absolutely promise you lot that if Paddy o’BRien influences the outcome fo this game and ruins it for me he’ll have lost one more fan.

  • Comment 9, posted at 02.07.08 16:34:09 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 7) :

    Yeh…from almost no penalties in the S14 to a penalty a second in the CC…majorly frustrating…

    In the Lions/Bulls game they only had actual playing time of 9:08 minutes in the 29th minute of the game….craze!??!

  • Comment 10, posted at 02.07.08 16:35:15 by Hmmm Reply

  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 9) : Where you ever a fan? 😆 We as fans have to change from the morning to afternoon too… and have a couple of beers….and not get confused….shit maybe I should start watching netball 😆

  • Comment 11, posted at 02.07.08 16:37:34 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 9) :

    I think we should draw up a petition (get other chat forums like keo/ruggaworld/supersport/WP/sharks/etc) involved and raise our concern on how the continuous change in the rules and levels in which they are blown are destroying our wonderful game….

  • Comment 12, posted at 02.07.08 16:39:34 by Hmmm Reply

  • The best thing to have done was to introduce less ELVs in the S14, then feed them into test rugby IF THEY WORK.
    Problem is that currently it seems the IRB thinks every ELV has worked.

    Havet yet seen one canned.

    And then they go and skip steps and selectively apply things etc.

    It’s a shambles, plain and simple.

  • Comment 13, posted at 02.07.08 16:39:35 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @Hmmm (Comment 12) : I’ll be the first to sign..well maybe after Vin.

  • Comment 14, posted at 02.07.08 16:41:11 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 13) :

    I just have this feeling that the 3N are going to be messy…especially in the beginning…and that SA are fortunate to play the first three games…gives them an advantage over Australia in my opinion…

  • Comment 15, posted at 02.07.08 16:41:50 by Hmmm Reply

  • LAWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 👿


  • Comment 16, posted at 02.07.08 16:46:24 by KSA Shark © Reply

    KSA Shark ©
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 16) :

    The IRI – I cannot like them….

  • Comment 17, posted at 02.07.08 16:55:46 by Hmmm Reply

  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 16) :

    I know that but this is a play on the situation in pool where it is accepted that you agree the rules before making the break.

  • Comment 18, posted at 02.07.08 17:00:30 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @Hmmm (Comment 17) :

    IRI??????????????? ❓

    @VinChainSaw (Comment 18) :


  • Comment 19, posted at 02.07.08 17:04:41 by KSA Shark © Reply

    KSA Shark ©
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 19) :

    International Rugby Idiots.

  • Comment 20, posted at 02.07.08 17:23:57 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 19) :

    Well a board set goals and make decision that take the company forward…usually the very intelligent or experienced bunch…

    That is def not the case in rugby and we cannot refer to them as board…

    IRI – International Rugby Idiots

  • Comment 21, posted at 02.07.08 17:27:04 by Hmmm Reply


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