Two changes for All Blacks

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :All Blacks, Original Content, Tri Nations on 8 Jul 2008 at 09:27

All Black coach Graham Henry has made two changes to the All Black tight five for the second Tri-Nations test against the Sprinboks, in Dunedin this Saturday.

In an enforced change, lock Brad Thorn has been suspended for his cowardly thuggery and will serve a lenient one match suspension. His place is taken by Blues rookie Anthony Boric, who will make his first run-on appearance for the New Zealand team. Boric made his début against England recently and has collected a pair of caps coming off the bench.

In an unforced change, John Afoa takes over the number 3 jersey from Greg Sommerville. It’s a pretty strange call, considering how Sommerville had Gürthro Steenkamp under the cosh virtually the whole match, but Afoa himself is no shrinking violet at scrumtime and has done well in a Blues front-row together with fellow All Blacks Tony Woodcock and Keven Mealamu. With Sommerville headed off to pastures greener (and wealthier) after the Tri-Nations, it’s possible that this selection is a sort of “mid-term refresh” for Henry.

The remainder of the team is unchanged from the one that downed the Boks by 11 points in Wellington, although Chiefs lock Kevin O’Neill comes onto the bench to take Thorn’s spot in the 22.

NEW ZEALAND: 15 Mils Muliaina, 14 Sitiveni Sivivatu, 13 Conrad Smith, 12 Ma’a Nonu, 11 Rudi Wulf, 10 Dan Carter, 9 Andy Ellis; 8 Jerome Kaino, 7 Rodney So’oialo (capt), 6 Adam Thomson, 5 Ali Williams, 4 Anthony Boric, 3 John Afoa, 2 Andrew Hore, 1 Tony Woodcock. Reserves: 16 Keven Mealamu, 17 Neemia Tialata, 18 Kevin O’Neill, 19 Sione Lauaki, 20 Jimmy Cowan, 21 Stephen Donald, 22 Leon MacDonald.


  • We are used to it now, the AB’s and Aussies ALWAYS get lenient sentences. If that was Bakkies Botha it would have been 4 weeks minimum!

  • Comment 1, posted at 08.07.08 09:30:03 by Villie Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 1) : and if it was Butch, they’d have thrown him in the chookie for 6 months…

  • Comment 2, posted at 08.07.08 09:32:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : Exactly. Separate rules for the Boks.

    Anyway, who are we going to select.

    Seeing as there is no BJ, I don’t suspect too many changes.
    I would like to see a bit more from Steenkamp. He is certainly not the player he was a few years back.

    Maybe Kanko to start with Spies on the bench? And possibly shifting Jantjes to wing to bring Monty in at 15?
    Although Adi didn’t do anything wrong, it may pay to bring Steyn in at 12 and move JDV to 13? Horses for courses!

  • Comment 3, posted at 08.07.08 09:40:00 by Villie Reply
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  • Did Gurthro struggle in the scrums???

  • Comment 4, posted at 08.07.08 09:46:47 by wpw Reply
  • The AB’s seem to knwo what they want/doing…already picking tehir team on a Monday afternoon!??!

  • Comment 5, posted at 08.07.08 09:54:32 by Hmmm Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 4) :

    I think he held his own most of the time…but Sommerville did have the upper hand…

  • Comment 6, posted at 08.07.08 09:55:43 by Hmmm Reply

  • @Villie (Comment 3) :

    Why…Joe was good off the back and had good runs and was very solid on def…put in 2/3 big hits on the AB loosies…
    He needs to get a whole lot of credit on how he fielded the ball at the back of those scrums…especially when Mujati was on…he and Ricky need to get a lot of credit for that…I think we would have lost possession a few times in those instances with Kanko and Spies….

    He made one retarded error that he tried to fix with a even more retarded plan…and that did cost us 3 points as Carter slotted that…and for that he should lose a whole points if players were rated every game…

    But other than that he was good and still more visible than either Kanko or Spies were against weaker opposition….

  • Comment 7, posted at 08.07.08 10:00:41 by Hmmm Reply

  • @Villie (Comment 3) : @Hmmm (Comment 7) :

    Twice after Joe tackles the NZ commentators said “Boy but these Springboks are putting in some big hits”

  • Comment 8, posted at 08.07.08 10:01:52 by Hmmm Reply

  • @Hmmm (Comment 8) : Do you have a not-so-secret love affair with NZ commentators?
    “Boy but you like quoting them”

  • Comment 9, posted at 08.07.08 10:04:25 by blackshark Reply

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  • 😆 😆 blackshark

  • Comment 10, posted at 08.07.08 10:06:21 by wpw Reply
  • @blackshark (Comment 9) :

    Yes…they service me well…
    But boy when they are right tehy are right….

  • Comment 11, posted at 08.07.08 10:09:47 by Hmmm Reply

  • @blackshark (Comment 9) : @Hmmm (Comment 11) :
    And twice is not that many….anyways…

  • Comment 12, posted at 08.07.08 10:10:28 by Hmmm Reply

  • @Hmmm (Comment 7) : I was actually impressed with Joe…thought he had a decent game but if it’s dry this weekend I’d like to see Kanko have a run. And Spies is awesome to have as an impact player.

    I just think the combination of Schalk, Juan Smith and Kanko has a better blend than the one with Joe. But by no means did Joe have a bad game.

  • Comment 13, posted at 08.07.08 13:48:47 by Villie Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 13) :

    Agree on all accounts…but unless we know for sure that our scrums are going to be much better…..I’d still play Joe…

  • Comment 14, posted at 08.07.08 13:53:29 by Hmmm Reply

  • @Hmmm (Comment 14) : Very true! Joe is probably a better bet to have behind a scrum going backwards than Kanko.

  • Comment 15, posted at 08.07.08 14:08:14 by Villie Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 15) : yeah – Kanko’s biggest weakness as a number 8 is his handling at the base

  • Comment 16, posted at 08.07.08 14:14:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 15) : @robdylan (Comment 16) :

    I donno if PdV thought about that and used that to make his call…but I think it was a good one…and a safety net that offers more than just safety…

  • Comment 17, posted at 08.07.08 14:24:05 by Hmmm Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 16) : IMO think Steyn / Monty will replace Jantjes @ 15 not that the latter had done anything wrong… 😉

  • Comment 18, posted at 08.07.08 14:24:28 by Charlie Reply

  • Almost every Springbok Blog site has the same back three :
    11 Habana
    14 Jantjies
    15 Monty

    And i agree completely… How can we keep someone with the experience and ability that Monty has, on the bench..?? If our coach can’t see that, well then we must question what his motives are in the team he picks… The faith i had in PdV is quickly evaporating 🙁

  • Comment 19, posted at 08.07.08 14:57:44 by Shark Baron Reply

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  • @Shark Baron (Comment 19) : With the emphasis on QUICKLY…

    That combination could work though…

  • Comment 20, posted at 08.07.08 15:11:33 by blackshark Reply

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  • How about Steyn at 15???

    Even though i think he is overrated, he does have something to offer that Percy doesn’t, which is his 50 odd meter drop goals as well as his unpredictability.

    Jantjes will be a better bet than Odwa at 14.

    We’ll just have to wait and see.

  • Comment 21, posted at 08.07.08 15:18:05 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 21) : what exactly has Odwa done wrong?

  • Comment 22, posted at 08.07.08 15:26:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • Nothing much Rob.

    I actually think he did quite well with the amount of ball he got.

    What other options do we have?

  • Comment 23, posted at 08.07.08 15:37:35 by wpw Reply
  • @Shark Baron (Comment 19) :

    Plus Carter had too much freedom to kick into spaces….Jantjies and Odwa left a lot of that open to Carter to use…

    With Monty he will have to be a lot more pin point to make it work…

  • Comment 24, posted at 08.07.08 15:53:34 by Hmmm Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 23) :

    Agree….but with Jantjies at 14 you will have an extra boot…

  • Comment 25, posted at 08.07.08 15:55:14 by Hmmm Reply

  • @Hmmm (Comment 25) :

    Or what about a Monty 15 (close teh spaces well)
    And Steyn at 14 (drop goal boot…great punting on kicks that were not pin point…Carter will end up kicking the ball out a lot closer to him)

  • Comment 26, posted at 08.07.08 15:57:58 by Hmmm Reply

  • Steyn does ask questions…we just need to teach him to play where the support is or teach the support that a player in green and gold can actually break the advantage line…

  • Comment 27, posted at 08.07.08 16:02:15 by Hmmm Reply

  • Hmmm

    Butch tried to put Carter off his game with a few late tackles and big hits but we needed Januarie to put him under pressure like he has in the past.

    Ricki was however unable to do this becos we struggled in the scrums.

  • Comment 28, posted at 08.07.08 16:04:04 by wpw Reply
  • @Hmmm (Comment 27) :

    I go for the latter 😀 😀 😆

  • Comment 29, posted at 08.07.08 16:04:28 by Ollie Reply

  • Hey Ollie

    Been to Reitzworld lately??? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 30, posted at 08.07.08 16:07:05 by wpw Reply
  • Not much today, too busy and I’m just not in the mood for the negativity of 1 or 2 of the lads there today.

  • Comment 31, posted at 08.07.08 16:09:29 by Ollie Reply

  • Reitzworld? shoo, that are not all that bad.

  • Comment 32, posted at 08.07.08 16:09:59 by Ollie Reply

  • Only 1 or 2???

    Nooit Bru!!!

  • Comment 33, posted at 08.07.08 16:11:00 by wpw Reply
  • I can handle negative when it comes across well structured and with insite, it’s the blokes that mouth of for the sake of mouthing off that p me off. Seems like some think that the more vulgar they are the stronger there argument is 😉

  • Comment 34, posted at 08.07.08 16:15:01 by Ollie Reply

  • @Ollie (Comment 34) :

    hey Olls – how did the IWS and games go?? 😉

  • Comment 35, posted at 08.07.08 16:18:41 by I'ce (Rebel With a Cause) Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 28) :

    Agree…Butch is just too far back to have that effect…
    But closing up the spaces with pressure to hurry his kicks we can contain him a lot more…

  • Comment 36, posted at 08.07.08 16:21:13 by Hmmm Reply

  • @Hmmm (Comment 36) :

    I mean Sat he could pretty much do what he liked…

  • Comment 37, posted at 08.07.08 16:21:56 by Hmmm Reply

  • We didn’t get to the IWS, they were already quite confused with Kyalami and sevens. Lack of practice I reckon.

    We did play “I have never…” though 😳 🙄 😆

  • Comment 38, posted at 08.07.08 16:22:24 by Ollie Reply

  • @Hmmm (Comment 37) :

    Not if you read Patrick Innes’ article on how Butch “targetted” him. I am surprised Carter actually survived if you take Patricks account of things. 😈

  • Comment 39, posted at 08.07.08 16:24:10 by Ollie Reply

  • @Ollie (Comment 38) :

    mmmmmmm – I played that with the netball girls on the way back from a game… :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

    Lack of practise of what? The brain? 😉

  • Comment 40, posted at 08.07.08 16:24:14 by I'ce (Rebel With a Cause) Reply
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  • @Ollie (Comment 39) : I’d be quite interested to watch the games Patrick sees… they sound quite unlike any rugby I’ve ever heard of.

  • Comment 41, posted at 08.07.08 16:26:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • @I’ce (Rebel With a Cause) (Comment 40) :

    No, lack of practice by the girls, they don’t play much in the lines of drinking games here, at least not as regularly as at home.

  • Comment 42, posted at 08.07.08 16:29:24 by Ollie Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 41) :

    I think he has a WWF overload or something.

  • Comment 43, posted at 08.07.08 16:29:58 by Ollie Reply

  • @Ollie (Comment 39) :

    LoL…but that penalty Butch conceeded for tackling him was a bit harsh…he was already commited before Carter dropped the ball to kick…

  • Comment 44, posted at 08.07.08 16:32:43 by Hmmm Reply

  • @Hmmm (Comment 44) :

    Quite honestly, I thought that was a pretty good, fair tackle. Carter actually did bloody well to get the kick away.

  • Comment 45, posted at 08.07.08 16:36:12 by Ollie Reply

  • I wonder if there is a youtube vid of it 😆

  • Comment 46, posted at 08.07.08 16:38:02 by Ollie Reply

  • With McCaw already out injured before the 1st 3N test, the Boks’ plan was to tackle Carter off the field in order to win the 2nd test 😆

  • Comment 47, posted at 08.07.08 16:39:15 by Bok-El Reply


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